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How about it, SMU profs?

Friday March 30, 2007

The Discovery Institute's president has sent the following letter to the heads of the geology, biology and anthropology departments at SMU:

I am writing to invite you or a representative from your faculty to participate in a dialogue about the theory of intelligent design on Friday night, April 13th, ahead of the formal commencement of our conference that evening on your campus.
We noted with interest the comment of one of your SMU faculty colleagues, Dr. Bretell, who stated in the Dallas Morning News that the science faculty plan to use the conference “as a teaching moment.”

As educators ourselves, we applaud you for this and would like to enhance the teaching opportunity for your students by creating a forum in which your faculty can participate in an open dialogue with proponents of intelligent design—in particular, with our three conference speakers, Dr. Michael Behe, Dr. Stephen Meyer, and Dr. Jay Richards.

If you accept our invitation, I will arrange for the first portion of our Friday night program to be devoted to this discussion. We propose the following format: one of our speakers would make a fifteen-minute presentation explaining the merits, from our point of view, of the theory of intelligent design. Then we would invite one of you to make a presentation explaining your main criticisms of the theory. We would then allow your panel to ask us a series of challenging questions of your own choosing. After that we would open the discussion to a few questions from the audience.

We are all committed to respectful scholarly dialogue and to the use of scientific methods of reasoning in the investigation of nature. In our view, science progresses in part as scientists and scholars discuss and evaluate competing interpretations of scientific evidence. We think that the format we are proposing will allow for such discussion and will, therefore, create a teaching moment for all who participate and observe the discussion.

We hope you will join us. May I ask you to respond at your earliest convenience by contacting Robert Crowther in our Seattle office at [deleted], or [e-mail address deleted].


Yours sincerely,

Bruce Chapman

President, Discovery Institute



Sounds good to me. Will the professors agree to participate in this teaching moment? I'd love to hear both sides make their presentation, and I bet I'm not the only one.

UPDATE: A colleague of mine at the paper e-mails to say:

I completely disagree. The SMU scientists should not take the bait. Framing this as a debate puts evolution and ID on equal footing -- "On the one hand, some experts believe THIS. On the other hand, other experts believe THIS." This is precisely the fraud that the Discovery Institute wants to perpetrate. Because if both "theories" are considered valid, well, then, why not teach both in science classes? Why exclude one? Is that fair?

ID and evolution are not two scientific theories to be weighed against one another, as if on a balance scale. One is a scientific theory, supported so massively and consistently by empirical evidence as to be virtually unassailable. The other is an interesting notion -- rather like reincarnation, or ESP - that is intriguing to ponder, but absolutely without scientific support.

There is, in other words, no experimental evidence -- none -- to support the idea that the world is so wondrously complex that some intelligent designer "must have" created it. Maybe that's true. As a matter of theology, I happen to believe that it's true. But it isn't science.

We don't teach "alternative theories" of gravity in physics class, or "alternative theories" of neurology in medical school. And we shouldn't.


I see his point, but I see this controversy as akin to a debate about global warming. To me, the evidence for man-made global warming is overwhelming, and those who disbelieve in it are operating primarily on faith, not evidence. But there are significant numbers of people who do hold those views, and I think it would be in the public interest to see a critical exchange between the two sides. I would hope that it would educate the disbelievers, or at least open some minds. Or maybe the other side would come up with facts or logic that caused me to reconsider some of my positions.

About ID: I believe that God created us, and evolution was the method he used to do it. But I simply don’t know enough about the case for ID to say conclusively that I disbelieve it -- and I certainly was unfavorably impressed by the sneering, over-the-top presentation the anti-ID folks made to the DMN editorial board a couple of years ago. Which doesn't make the case for ID any more or any less valid, but it did make me more curious to hear that case. There's something about ID that reduces opponents to sputtering, which creates the impression that they're trying to make you feel like an idiot for asking questions.

Here’s something from Michael Ruse, a philosopher of science who’s written about the struggle between ID and Darwinism. I interviewed him last year for the Sunday commentary section of the DMN. Ruse calls ID "creationism lite," but says scientists are making a mistake by refusing to engage the debate:

More scientists should get involved in this debate. There's a very strong negative force among young scientists not to get involved in the public domain. If you're trying to get tenure, you don't spend your summer fighting ID. Many people are not good at public involvement, but I'd like to see more of it.

I see evolution and creation as very much the top end of the iceberg. It's a litmus test of this whole red-blue division in America. I'd like to see the left, the Democrats or whatever we call ourselves, be more open to people's concerns. I mean, it's not helpful, and certainly not in America, when Richard Dawkins says all religion is evil. We have got to talk about moral values. We people of the left, we people of the Enlightenment, if you like, have got to start talking about broader issues. I would like to see science teaching, including the teaching of evolution, to be part of this, rather than something we isolate.


I think Ruse is right: people are thinking about this and talking about it, so why not meet them where they are? As disgusting as I think "Loose Change," that 9/11 conspiracy film is, if there were to be a debate about it on SMU’s campus, given how widespread the belief in a conspiracy is (a Scripps poll found that one-third of the American public believes the US government was involved in killing 3,000 of its own citizens), it’s worth dignifying the conspiracy nuts by sharing the podium with them, just to refute their case with facts and logic. Mind you, I don't at all equate the ID folks with conspiracy nuts. I'm just saying that it'd be smarter for the SMU professors to engage the ID people in a public forum and show the audience why the ID people are wrong. Refusing even to talk to them is not causing any fewer people to believe in ID. If ID is as dangerous as the SMU profs say, then they should not hesitate to take it on and try to debunk it.
Comments
wildwest
April 6, 2007 3:48 PM
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The earlier post on this subject has now fallen off the bottom of the pile. Will I ever be able to refer to it again? Or is it gone forever?

John Farrell
April 6, 2007 7:52 PM
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Looks like the SMU profs have decided to say something: Some scientists at Southern Methodist University have been labeled "intolerant, close-minded and bigoted" because we have spoken out against the misrepresentation of religious belief as science in our protests of the upcoming intelligent design event scheduled at SMU. The organization behind the event, the Discovery Institute, is clear in its agenda: It states that what the SMU science faculty believes to be so useful (science) is a danger to conservative Christianity and should be replaced by its mystical world view. We do not argue against the basic right to believe, worship and express oneself as one desires. We are, however, vehemently opposed to the deliberate deception of presenting politically motivated religious viewpoints as science. It is destructive and antithetical to the usefulness of science, and history has shown that similar politicizations of science have been incredibly destructive to our moral, ethical and material progress. We have a duty as practitioners of science to speak out against such deceptions, and we have done so. Dr. John Wise is a faculty member in biological sciences, Dr. Ronald Wetherington is a faculty member in anthropology and Dr. Robert T. Gregory is chair of the geological sciences department. More than 20 additional faculty members, scientists and chairpersons in the departments of anthropology, biological sciences, chemistry, geological sciences and physics at Southern Methodist University are signatories to this essay. Can't wait to see how the DI flaks spin this....

wildwest
April 6, 2007 8:16 PM
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They'll want to make their side sound like the "open" side. Like "Hey, they're censoring a point of view. That's not very open-minded. That's close-minded, like the Church's approach to Galileo was close-minded." They've been smarting ever since Galileo proved them wrong and now they're trying to use the Enlightenment's argument against the Enlightenment to prove that Authority is really the enlightened one and that science is really the close-minded, dogmatic one. And they have to use Enlightenment pretenses because those are the ones that are going to work in the modern world, since threats of interdict and excommunication no longer work in our society. Maybe eventually... Now, will someone please tell me if I will ever be able to get back to this conversation after it gets swallowed up at the bottom of the page? It's getting closer every minute!!

Franklin Evans
April 7, 2007 5:16 PM
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Wildwest, This is the way things go in Blogland. Displays are limited to a certain number of posts. I do have some suggestions: 1) Take note of the "archives" listing of links, by month, in the right hand column. You can always find a blog post if you remember the month in which it was posted. 2) Click on the title of the blog post. The URL that shows up in your "address" box can then be saved to your favorites, and you can use that to return to the blog. In any case, you need to understand that most people let their interest wane as the topic gets closer to the bottom of the page, and rarely come back to a topic after it drops off the bottom.

wildwest
April 8, 2007 2:57 AM
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Oh, I understand that. I'm just glad to know I can get to an archive if I need to refer to something. Thank you.

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