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Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Brian does the unthinkable and defends Pelagius (against Augustine)!  Watch out, Brian, the NeoReformed stormtroopers went after Scot McKnight last week, and they’ll probably come after you here! Pelagius brought up good points that are often ignored. First, he argued […]

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Ash Wednesday: Atonement Round-Up

posted by Tony Jones

As we enter the season of Lent, here are some resources to get you thinking about alternatives to the penal substitutionary theory (yes, friends, it’s a theory!) of the atonement. At Zoecarnate, Mike Morrell proposes that we look beyond liberal […]

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What to Give Up for Lent

posted by Tony Jones

Hate.

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Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

We’ve got a nice thread going on free will and determinism around these parts.  Albert the Abstainer chimes in: Real free will: An ability to choose alternatives such that the possibility of an alternative action is real and not the […]

RSS Feed

posted by Tony Jones

Here it is: http://blog.beliefnet.com/tonyjones/rss.xml

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Yay!  Albert the Abstainer is back! Real free will is illusionary. Don’t believe me, try controlling your thoughts or dreams. The state we occupy is continuously changing in response to being a physical part of a physical universe. Our complexity […]

Mondays with Mark

posted by Tony Jones

Here’s the next in my occasional series with Mark Patrick, my spiritual director. Tony: Mark, one of the things that you’ve said to me that caused me a great deal of introspection came in the late summer.  I was describing […]

Who Was/Is Jesus?

posted by Tony Jones

LeRon Shults announces a new book and a discussion on his blog about the book.  The book, Seeking the Identity of Jesus, gathered scholars to write about, well, Jesus’ identity.  Among other things, they agreed on the following nine points: […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

I’m glad to see that my weekend quote of Dante stirred up some commentary.  Here’s one, from Ben, followed by a response from me. (My apologies for Ben’s masculine language.) I’m not sure how to understand Dante’s use of “free […]

Original Sin: Augustine’s Addendum

posted by Tony Jones

The Original Sin SeriesIntro–Intuition–Definition–Genesis–Jesus–Paul–Augustine-Calvin-Conclusion The shadow of Augustine of Hippo looms large over the entire subsequent development of the doctrine of Original Sin.  We’ll get into his authorship of the doctrine qua doctrine in a minute, but first let’s remember […]

Quote of the Week

posted by Tony Jones

The greatest gift that God in His bounty made in creation, and the most conformable to His goodness, and that which He prizes the most, was the freedom of will, with which the creatures with intelligence, they all and they […]

The Official Band of Emergent

posted by Tony Jones

Rick is honing in on his finalists.  Hilarious: David Wilcox– white guy folk singer. Cannot do it. Of course, he deals with spirituality in a way that is emerging and is one of the only white earnest folkies I can […]

A New Translation of Romans 5

posted by Tony Jones

For the sake of our discussion of Original Sin, commenter Brian has translated Romans 5 [UPDATE: it seems to be Romans 14-15] on our behalf.  Thanks, Brian!  (N.B., mean-spirited comments about his translation will be immediately deleted.  Thoughtful, albeit critical, […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Brian has a warning for Mark Driscoll and other expanding evangelical ministries: Thanks for this post. This is depressing news. I don’t mean any disrespect to these folks personally. I know they can be very kind, good people in person. […]

Blacklisted by Moody!

posted by Tony Jones

So, I’m on a panel with one of the authors of an anti-emergent book at the Christian Book Expo next month, and I emailed his publisher, Moody Publishing, to get a review copy of the book (no, I haven’t read […]

The Death of Preaching?

posted by Tony Jones

Mark Driscoll watchdog, Bob Hyatt, has some concerns about a possible Mars Hill franchise coming to Portland. Please understand- If you want to listen to Mark’s podcast/watch his vodcast, I think you should go for it- I subscribe to his […]

Comments

posted by Tony Jones

FYI, Captcha was disabled for about a week — we were listening to those of you who were frustrated with the Bnet comment interface.  As you might guess, we were inundated by spam comments during this time.  So, now we’re […]

More on (Virtual) Community

posted by Tony Jones

If you haven’t been following along there’s a great comment string under Monday’s post, Is Virtual Community True Community?, then you’re missing out. Particularly interesting, IMHO, are the comments from stay-at-home-moms Julie and Kristi about the great value of virtual […]

Was Paul Wrong?

posted by Tony Jones

Under Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue, Emergent Pillage brings up a point that has vexed me for some time.  He (I assume EP is a “he”) baldly asserts that if you think that Paul […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Under Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue, Brian provides with a helpful primer to the various views of interpreting Romans: Romans is important to the conversation about the doctrine of “Original Sin” for several reasons. […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Thanks, Brian, for this response to Mrs. Darwin Would Be Proud: Octavia Butler has written a couple of wonderful books called The Parable of the Sower and The Parable of the Talents. In these books she includes poetry about an […]

Gary Busey and Ed Young, Jr.

posted by Tony Jones

Separated at birth? You decide.

Is Virtual Community True Community?

posted by Tony Jones

Last week at the National Pastors Convention, Shane Hipps sat down with the guys from Out of Ur and talked about community, based on his new book, Flickering Pixels.  (Full disclosure: Shane is one of my very best friends — […]

Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue

posted by Tony Jones

The Original Sin SeriesIntro–Intuition–Definition–Genesis–Jesus–Paul-Augustine-Calvin-Conclusion Well, now we get to the heart of the matter, and the passage that so many of my blogopponents have been waiting for: Romans 5.  It’s in this chapter that Paul writes most specifically about the […]

Quote of the Week

posted by Tony Jones

“Friendship is the only cure for hatred, the only guarantee of peace.” ~Buddha(HT: Tiny Buddha)

Mrs. Darwin Would Be Proud

posted by Tony Jones

Charles Darwin‘s wife, Emma, famously disliked her husband’s theories, and he actually wrote On the Origin of Species in a way that he hoped wouldn’t be offensive to her.  Well, it seems that a sesquicentury later, the two are still […]

The Limits of Blogging

posted by Tony Jones

Andrew Sullivan posted a graf from Alan Jacobs in which Jacobs argues that the “architecture” of blogs makes it impossible to honestly converse about important and weighty matters, like the existence of God.  This question is particularly compelling for this […]

Many, Many -mergents

posted by Tony Jones

Rick takes a break from telling us how the music that we love (read, Coldplay) actually sucks to round up many of the new hyphen-mergent groups: Relevemergent the fine line between Relevant magazine, cool churches with smoke machines, killer bands […]

Pope Barack?

posted by Tony Jones

That’s the dream of none other than esteemed Catholic theologian, Hans Kung.  At Religion Dispatches, Rosemary Ganley reports, To get right to the point, Kung in his article on February 3, wished Barack Obama were Pope. “The mood in the […]

Churches Behaving Badly

posted by Tony Jones

Help add to Brandon’s list of crazy stuff you’ve heard around church.  My faves: 1. Your message was good. You didn’t blaspheme the Holy Spirit or anything. 2. What is the deal with your weight? 9. Don’t you think your […]

Richard Mouw and Proposition 8

posted by Tony Jones

In this week’s edition of Newsweek, Richard Mouw, the president of Fuller Theological Seminary, penned an essay, “Less Shouting, More Talking,” in which he addresses the issues around Prop 8.  It’s clear that he wrote it, in part, as a […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Thanks, Brian: The Quaker theologian Parker Palmer says it well: “Truth is an ongoing conversation about things that matter.”

What Would the Divinyls Do?

posted by Tony Jones

These Christians don’t….um…you know…

A Secular Age: Introduction

posted by Tony Jones

Charles Taylor’s A Secular Age, is magisterial in its scope, and timely in its topic.  It’s a massive book at over 800 pages, but I’m tackling it because several persons have said it will be invaluable to my dissertation.  The […]

Comment of the Day, Take Two

posted by Tony Jones

Brian gives some excellent context to the world the Jesus was born into, and unpacks the Hebrew background to the concept of sin: There is no such thing as original sin in the book of Genesis. Judaism has no such […]

Successful Surgery

posted by Tony Jones

Many thanks to all of my well-wishers.  My semi-laminectomy/microdiscectomy was a success.  The surgeon said that he removed 3 cm of herniated disc, one of the largest discectomies that he’s ever performed.  I am narced up, but I can tell […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

KE Alexander on Original Sin: The problem with a Reformation view of original sin is that it tends to free one from responsibility for one’s actions. That is not to say that our human faculties and/or affections have not been […]

Mike Stavlund reviews The Family

posted by Tony Jones

Over at Awakenings, Mike joins the chorus of which I am a part: Those who think that Jeff Sharlet’s The Family is a must-read: Sharlet’s writing is so good that a quick read is almost impossible. Skim this book, and […]

A “Believing” Philosopher

posted by Tony Jones

Occasional blogger and always philosopher, Kevin Corcoran, has written a bit about his experience on the emerging church panel at the recent Calvin Worship Symposium.  It seems that the panelists were asked about what beliefs are necessary to be a […]

Can Theology Transform the Church?

posted by Tony Jones

Yes. Theologian-Scientist-Believer Philip Clayton answers that question, and has some hard words for pastors.  He and I tend to agree that theology is latent in all human endeavors (see chapter 4, “The Theology, Stupid!”).

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Dan H. brings up a point that raises a big question (which I’ve emboldened) in response to Original Sin: Jesus’ Ambivalence: Hmm. I would agree that Jesus never articulates an Augustinian understanding of ‘original sin’. But I would also agree […]

Tony & Tripp Want You!

posted by Tony Jones

Tripp Fuller and I are recruiting YOU to ask your biggest question about God via YouTube to some of the top theologians in the world. See the list of theologians who will attempt to answer your questions. BAM!

A Musical Marriage of My Dreams

posted by Tony Jones

In high school, I was the president of the Led Zeppelin Fan Club.  It was a small club, but we were zealots.  My best friend, Todd, and I must have watched The Song Remains the Same over 100 times — […]

Original Sin: Jesus’ Ambivalence

posted by Tony Jones

The Original Sin SeriesIntro–Intuition–Definition–Genesis–Jesus-Paul-Augustine-Calvin-Conclusion First, let it be said that Jesus is not recorded in the gospels as saying anything that can be construed as particularly supportive of the doctrine of Original Sin.  Jesus did talk about sin, to be […]

Quote of the Week

posted by Tony Jones

“We live in a condition where we cannot help but be aware that there are a number of different construals, views which intelligent, reasonably undeluded people, of good will, can and do disagree on. We cannot help looking over our […]

Microdiscectomy

posted by Tony Jones

That’s what awaits me next Wednesday, on the L4-L5 disc.

Things Evangelicals Like

posted by Tony Jones

Jenell Paris has continues her provocative series. 6. Evangelicalism Likes Prioritizing the Superiority of Its Point of ViewI wrote about a man who moves from Christian faith to atheism, and evangelicalism worried that I was showing more credence for his […]

Faith & Leadership

posted by Tony Jones

Jason Byassee, late of the Christian Century, is now at the helm of a new online offering from Duke Divinity School: Faith & Leadership: Where Christian Leaders Reflect, Connect, and Learn.  It’s a good looking site, and it should have […]

The Tragedy of Tom Daschle

posted by Tony Jones

I was really, truly excited about Tom Daschle as HHS Secretary.  I think he is a fundamentally good person.  Larry Lessig agrees, but says that doesn’t excuse him: Daschle, of course, is the most innocent in this guilty system. His […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Andrew weighs in on “Progressive” or “Liberal”: Maybe I’m just anal retentive but I think that the term “progressive” is a lot like the term “evangelical.” It’s just an easy way for folks to compartmentalize others (and maybe even themselves) […]

What, Exactly, Is a Progressive?

posted by Tony Jones

Philip Clayton (who is, by the way, da bomb!) tells us:

“Progressive” or “Liberal”

posted by Tony Jones

Over at GetReligion, Mollie dissects a WaPo story on the new Religious Left…um…er…the religious “progressives.” Progressive? Is this the best descriptor for religious groups who advocate for liberal political aims? I have used the term regularly in the past and […]

My Apologies

posted by Tony Jones

I had the best of intentions to post a “Mondays with Mark” and a reflection on Original Sin and Romans 5.  But, instead, I spent most of the day in doctors’ offices, at the pharmacy, getting another MRI, and being […]

Talking Original Sin with Todd Friel

posted by Tony Jones

I’ll be on Todd Friel’s “Wretched Radio” program today at 3pm EST to talk about my recent posts on Original Sin.  His show is on Sirius Radio and online. Call in! UPDATE: Not going on the show today.  Todd and […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Scott M drops some historical and biblical context on Original Sin: For that matter, Ethan, I could have pointed to the very first controversy that resulted in the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. I didn’t do so because the […]

Pay No Attention to the Publisher behind the Curtain

posted by Tony Jones

Andrew Sullivan weighs in on that question. Traditional newspapers are dying, to be sure (although I think that some of them will have a future as non-profits).  Andrew thinks that traditional publishing (ink-on-dead-trees) is in a similar state.  Money quote: […]

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