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Does God Exist? Why or Why Not?

posted by Jason Boyett

The question “Does God exist?” is a pretty big one in my personal life. My answer to that question determines all kinds of things about me — my ethics, my career, how I spend my time, how I relate to the world around me. Same goes for you, I assume. But as big of a question as it is, it’s not one that many people ponder.

Because most people in the world believe they know the answer to it. Religious folks will say, yes, OF COURSE God exists. Most believers can answer that question in the affirmative with a great amount of certainty.

Same goes for atheists. The atheists I know are pretty certain, too. No, they’ll say. God most definitely does NOT exist.

(And, to cover all bases, occasionally you’ll run into an agnostic who doesn’t really believe God exists but is open to the idea. Or a Christian who has bet his life on it but can respond to the does-God-exist question with only a sigh and “I hope so.”)

But I’m less interested today in HOW you answer that question. What I want to know is WHY you answer the question one way or another. Why do you believe or disbelieve in the existence of God?

For years, theologians and philosophers have come up with proofs, theories, and hypotheses for the existence of God. Some are better than others. Here (quickly) are a few of the major ones:

The Ontological Argument: The fact that we can come up with the idea of God is proof that God exists. If God is the epitome of a perfect being — if we can’t think of anything more perfect than God — then how can a perfect being not exist? How do we come up with the idea of perfection if there isn’t something perfect in the first place? Wouldn’t non-existence of that perfect being nullify its perfection? Therefore, it’s rational to believe in God.

The Transcendental Argument: The existence of morality and ethics points to the reality of a higher, ultra-ethical absolute. Almost all humans agree that things like murder or genocide are wrong. Why? The standard must come from somewhere. Supporters of this argument say the source of this morality is God.

The Teleological Argument: The complexity, order, and apparent purpose seen in nature seem to indicate a designer. This is the well-known “Divine Watchmaker” theory. You don’t look at a shiny new Brietling and assume it came to existence due to natural processes. You know there’s a craftsman behind it.

The Anthropic Argument: The fine-tuned universe theory. The universe and planet where we live seems to be specially calibrated for carbon-based, oxygen-breathing humans like us. Almost as if someone knew we were coming and set the table just so.

These are just a few of the best-known arguments. For some people, these are more than enough to suggest the existence of God. For others, they can quickly be debunked. There are enough logical and philosophical (not to mention theological) holes in these arguments to drive a busload of atheists through.

In introducing these, I want to open up a discussion and get your perspective: which “proofs” of God make sense to you? And which ones don’t?

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If you are a believer, please tell us why it is you believe in God.

If you are a nontheist, please tell us why it is you don’t believe in God.

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And let’s all do it with courtesy, por favor.



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MainlineMom

posted July 26, 2010 at 4:03 pm


My belief in God is a combination of experiential (which isn’t “proof” at all) and the science of the known universe. I’m a hardcore scientist. I know the Big Bang theory and the theory of the origin of life inside and out and there is just no plausible way that something came from nothing. The chance that life sprang forth randomly from a watery pool of molecules is a mathmatical impossibility, even given the entire life span of our multi-billion year old universe. The more we learn, the more this is confirmed.
The experiential part is of course from having an intimate relationship with a God who speaks directly to me and works in my life in ways I could never have imagined.



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Alise

posted July 26, 2010 at 4:37 pm


My “proof” of God is no proof at all — it’s pretty much just my experiences. I know all of the arguments why that doesn’t count, but I just can’t get over it. Even living with my atheist husband, I haven’t been able to abandon my faith.
I also tend to point to transcendental argument. I understand the problems with it, but that one resonates with me as well.



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S. Kyle Davis

posted July 26, 2010 at 4:38 pm


I have two. First, I strongly believe in The Teleological Argument, as MainlineMom said. As well, I believe in a slightly augmented version of The Transcendental Argument. It’s not about the idea of morality or ethics in such a structured way. It’s simply value itself. As any good nihilist will tell you, it is impossible for anything (abstract or concrete) to have value outside of the presence of the metaphysical (something higher than man which has authority to assign value that man must definitively obey). Value, by definition, must be intrinsic/inherent, or else it is not truly “value” as we perceive the concept. The best philosophy has come up with is the idea of the “social value” (postmodernism), and this hangs on to the vague concept that the nebulous “society” is a “higher power” that assigns value. Even then, it is still an opinion men on the same level, even if it is a shared opinion by a large group (society). Value exists (because we want things to have value and need value to make ANY decision, including what to eat for lunch), therefore God exists.



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Gina

posted July 26, 2010 at 4:38 pm


I do believe in God–and maybe it’s “the God gene” or something, but I have always just felt it in the core of my being that I am not alone and God is there. I agree with all of the arguments you cited (Ontological,Transcendental,Teleological,Anthropic), but really my faith is just part of who I am–so even if all arguments were debunked, I would still believe in God.



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Kenny Johnson

posted July 26, 2010 at 5:02 pm


For me, this is a difficult question to answer. I didn’t grow up in the church (didn’t go to a church service until I was 24) and my parents and family didn’t talk about religion or God very much. Yet, from the earliest age I had a belief in God.
Even before I ever read any philosophical arguments for the existence of God, I would made some of them. The Teleological argument was always and still is one of the strongest arguments for me. I see design. I don’t believe it is merely an illusion.
But I also always sensed that there must be some kind of meaning to the world.
As I’ve aged and read more, I find the historic evidence of the resurrection of Christ to be pretty convincing. I also appreciate the Cosmological argument (the universe needed a beginner).
But mostly my faith in God comes from a huge mix of ideas and beliefs that are hard to articulate — especially in a blog comment. I guess it comes down to, “God makes sense.”
And yet, I doubt. :)



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Kristian

posted July 26, 2010 at 5:10 pm


I don’t believe in gods. I don’t see any reason why I should. I haven’t seen any evidence that would point toward existence of supernatural beings. The big four arguments seem meaningless unless you specifically look to them for a justification of an existing belief. I don’t think they have ever convinced a non-believer to convert to belief.
I don’t specifically deny the possibility of a god or gods, but I don’t think it’s a question of huge importance. We’ll find out after death if there’s anything to be found out. In the same breath, I don’t think it’s logical to believe that belief or disbelief will count for or against you in case we’re somehow evaluated in afterlife. Given the evidence, it wouldn’t be fair and just.
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J.J.

posted July 26, 2010 at 5:18 pm


This is a difficult question to answer especially when you’re like me and openly admit you cannot believe 100% something, but I’ll attempt to explain. Let me first say, however, that I cannot walk up to you or anyone else and hold in my hand the absolute truth which will alleviate any doubts you might have about God and existence.
I have a unique and somewhat dark perspective (as well as a couple others that I will include after). Part of why I believe God exists is the destructive nature of man. We destroy on our earth and it is causing us huge repercussions. We have disease, death, hatred, etc., and I believe all these things are destroying our world and will lead to our ultimate death, maybe even before the planet itself dies out. What was given to us to nurture we’ve taken for granted and overpopulated, and I feel it’s only going to get worse. In other words, a system that was built to hold us can no longer hold us, because we have not reciprocated. Instead, we have raped the world and it cannot sustain us, especially with the path we continue down. So when I hear someone say, “Just walk into a children’s hospital and you’ll know there is no god,” I immediately think two things:
1. So now it’s not that you think God doesn’t exist but rather you don’t like him.
2. We humans actually caused this.
It’s silly and somewhat self-defeating when someone argues a point like that against religion, but that’s another argument.
I also believe that God exists because I cannot find anything other than mathematics that represents perfection. Show me a perfect person. He/she does not exist (other than my celebrity crush, but I’ll exclude her from this discussion! :P). We exist in a system and are imperfect, yet we have a moment of breath still. We’ve been given this opportunity not out of chance or nothing, but because we purposefully started and will later end. As for what that end is, I cannot tell you. I also don’t think Revelation or science can tell you (my meaning is that Revelation was still written by a man and thus is his perspective and is flawed). Then there are some in the scientific community who will tell you that science can tell you, but they just don’t have a definitive answer yet. Well, we can wait for the explanation only until we die.
Someone recently told me that his purpose in life–to love his family and to live for them–has nothing to do with our purpose, if any, for being living creatures. I guess I cannot accept his explanation, but I disagree. And yes, I do take the transcendental argument seriously as it is written in the Bible that our direct connection to God is love. The very purpose of human life is not as simple as to live and ultimately die, but rather to live for something(s) and pursue happiness. I, of course, am speaking from a perspective that is fully engaged in my environment, meaning I do not have a mental disability. But that is the perspective I have to work with.
There are many religions in the world, and most believers of those religions are 100% sure that they’re right. So why do I believe Christianity? I remember hearing Dinesh D’Souza explain it rather well. He said that there is that divine connection between us and God through Christ. If we are to accept the transcendental argument, we should be aware that morality and love have to have a connection to our creator. That, in a simple way, is part of the explanation as to why I choose Christianity.
So I believe God exists because I exist. I’m not a nihilist and I don’t believe nothing produces everything. I do believe evolution has played a part in life, but I don’t see it as the explanation for our world. I don’t see it that way because to say that nothing evolves into everything is completely beyond my rational thought.
There’s more to my story of believing in God than just what I mentioned, but that should be the case for everyone answering these questions. I encourage everyone to explore for themselves and accept what they believe makes most sense in their lives.



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J.J.

posted July 26, 2010 at 5:22 pm


I forgot to add that I also don’t think that the use of our senses can be accepted as the source of determining all existence; meaning, we measure by what we can see. Sure, we can see things using instruments that we created, but that’s still a closed system. I don’t think we can see beyond our senses, but that doesn’t mean that there is nothing beyond our senses.



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Spencer Corkum

posted July 26, 2010 at 5:22 pm


I believe in God because “He” is Existence. Moses was the first to report that God told him that He was I am that I am. This is His definition of Existence and is my personified definition of God. There is so much unknown compared to what we do know that, since we are required to make a decision right now as we live, we have to make it on FAITH because we do not know all the facts. I have made a decision to believe in Existence personified by the term God. Ancient writers personified Existence as God. They get to define the term God. Why so many observers speak about God without giving us the definition of God they are using leads me to believe they have never even defined the terms of which they speak. They assume, I deduce, their definition is represented by clergy or someone else they might be thinking of but do not mention. Everyone speaks from their own spirit or any spirits that dominate them. We all speak for our own benefit and we are only able to persuade ourselves. I’ve spoken quickly. In the end time will fool us all.



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Kathryn

posted July 26, 2010 at 6:02 pm


“I believe, help me in my unbelief.”
I do believe that nature shows the hand of a designer. It seems most life tends toward entropy, & yet we have the continuation of life.
Also, the fact that we can have an idea of “good” & that to a degree all folks share this: Killing = not good, being kind to a stranger = good indicates to me that “good” is a quantity of its own. But in a universe that tends toward entropy, how would that come about? On one hand, i don’t believe in “total depravity” – it seems to me that if that were so, we wouldn’t have children & raise them, we’d have children & eat them. But on the other hand, it is obvious that we are not “good” even tho most humans strive to be their own concept of that.
Yet, so much of life just doesn’t make sense. If God exists, & cares for us, how is it that things are just so screwy?
But i hold to the belief that they don’t make sense because i just can’t understand it all. Somehow, circumstance & choices play into this world in a way i can’t understand. But i don’t hang on to the promises of being granted “the desires of my heart” for the desire i’ve held most deeply since my early childhood days is not going to be granted. It makes it hard for me to understand a Biblical view that promises so much. All i can say is, i don’t understand, yet i hope & try to believe.
I appreciate this site as it has come to help me accept where i’m at without condemning myself (too much). The pastor of our former church would say that i’ve condemned myself to hell just for entertaining the possibility of which my doubts speak, but i have a better hope for God than that. After all, if we are right, he made us & knows the way we think.
Ok, my word verification is “decorative, tummies” if that’s not entropy, what is?
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Kenny Johnson

posted July 26, 2010 at 6:08 pm


@Kristian
“I don’t think they have ever convinced a non-believer to convert to belief.”
Antony Flew.



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Emily

posted July 26, 2010 at 7:04 pm


I am an agnostic. While I see the possibility that there is some sort of creator, I doubt that any one religious group or individual can characterize the creator, his intentions, or his desires with any degree of accuracy. I can also see life coming into existence without a conscious creator.
I would agree that the four main arguments to “prove” the existence of a God have significant holes and thus do not prove much.
I think that in order for humans to continue to live on this planet, we need to work together and help each other. We need good morals to survive. I do my best to make a meaningful contribution to this planet and try to serve my fellow man as best I can. I do not need any more reason than that to do good in this world.



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Qohelet

posted July 26, 2010 at 7:05 pm


I am an atheist because I cannot help but see the world as natural. The “design” we see in nature can be (and has been) explained scientifically, to my satisfaction. While I would like for there to be a benevolent deity out there, wishful thinking will not make it true.



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Catherine

posted July 27, 2010 at 2:51 am


Experience. I believe because I have experienced the presence of God. And I honestly think that is the main reason for the existence of all religions. They are all based on someone’s experience, or other people believing someone’s experience. Religions began because a hundred thousand years ago some guy (or girl) was walking through the forest looking for something to eat and God spoke to him.
Or he thought God spoke to him. Because that of course is the big fat problem. It may all be hallucination. Maybe there’s something wrong with my brain. (Well I do get migraines!) Somehow, if I’m going to be honest, I have to remember that possibility while acting as if my experiences were real.
Which is why I read this blog and its comments – to find other people with the same problem. Thank you Jason!



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Jonathan Chang

posted July 27, 2010 at 7:56 am


I believe that the God of the bible exists. Sometimes I feel that I lean toward being a Deist though. God is in heaven and he lets us do what we want.
But I do believe, but Lord, help my unbelief.
I’m just so tired of the formula we put on Christianity and/or becoming a Christian.
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Kathryn

posted July 27, 2010 at 9:56 am


Nicodemus @ Nite -
thank you. That is just how i feel.



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Dave

posted July 27, 2010 at 9:59 am


I really appreciate this thread and the thoughtful answers so far. For me, its maybe more important to ask and wrestle with the question than to come up with “the” answer.
I used to be full of answers, both as an agnostic and as a “person of faith.” For today, I don’t know much for sure. I believe, however, that my faith was revealed when circumstances put me in a place where I had no choice but to recognize a sort of resonance between something deep within me and that limitless eternity which is always calling to me. God loves me more than I’ll ever love myself.
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Nathan

posted July 27, 2010 at 2:03 pm


I agree with Catherine, experience is the best “proof” of Gods existence. I became a Christian as an adult and to be honest I have had to overcome the hurdle of Gods existence many times.
For me it always comes back to how He shows up in my life.



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Travis Thompson

posted July 28, 2010 at 6:29 pm


I agree that the “proofs” of God are not really “proofs” (especially being a math teacher, I can tell you, they’re NOT proofs), and I also agree that they’re not good evangelism, but for me, they’re at least pretty good evidence, or at least reassurance. Just because people came up with them to justify their prior beliefs doesn’t make them any more suspect. Funny enough, that’s exactly how science works all the time!
Mostly though, I believe in God, as many others have said, because of the difference I believe he has made in my life, the people who have taught me about him, and the hope he gives me. Top that off with the “proofs” and what I have found to be the convincing historicity of the resurrection, and I’m usually able to get over my usual doubts, witch I’m not afraid to say (thanks to Mr. Boyett), are not infrequent.
(to clarify, Jason hasn’t caused my doubts, he’s just made me more comfortable talking about them…)



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David @ Kingdom Bloggers

posted July 29, 2010 at 7:20 pm


I believe God exists because I was once a devout atheist. And when I got to a place in my life where i wanted to die, I heard a voice say, “only hell will be worse than where you are now.” It got my attention – thought I was crazy. A few months later I was hanging out with some believers and I was telling them about how I didn’t believe in God. They just loved me – was strange. One moment I had all the answers, that next I was overwhelmed with the presence of God. It still to a few years to tell my self that something changed in me that day.
Today I pray, and God’s answers prayers, speaks to me gently about my life, has done some real miracles – like a person was very sick with cancer and now they are not – stuff like that. I don’t feel controlled by God, but I feel him as I walk along in life – we’re friends.
I write about my faith a lot on my blogs, was a missionary in Brazil and Norway – God is amazing – really amazing!



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Roxanne

posted July 30, 2010 at 4:36 am


God is real I believe in him.
When I was young I was compelled to find out . It tormented me till I found him. He has been there for me like a true father. Finding Jehovah was and is the best part of my life.



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Webminotaur

posted July 30, 2010 at 5:17 am


No arguments, regardless of how well thought out or logically sound, can “prove” the existence/non-existence of God. Just like no arguments can “prove” the existence/non-existence of love, hate, sorrow, and so much more of what cannot be seen but must be felt. People accept that our emotions exist based on observation and experience, not logic. And that is how God must be accepted or rejected.
I believe the existence of the God described in the Bible based on my own personal observations and experiences. But that was not always the case. In fact, logical analysis of observations and experiences led me away from God to other religions and finally to none at all. After several years some things started happening that no logic could explain – even my own distorted version of beliefs. The only way I could explain these events was to return to my old belief that there really was a God after all. From that point on, my life began to change. As I looked more and more to God for everything, the more he did for me. Although I believed in God, I was still not fully trusting him.
Then I was diagnosed with cancer in 1986. That put my faith to the “acid test.” Circumstances came about where I met a travelling evangelist. She gave a word of prophesy that I was not to undergo any form of treatment. Since this had all the ear-marks of coming from God, I took him at his word. The doctors were very upset. I was told I would die in about two years unless I underwent treatment. Well, I refused to do either. I did not undergo treatment, nor did I die (but I have always been a little on the rebellious side). That was the true turning point in my walk with God.
Since then I have learned to look more and more to God to meet ALL my needs, from the very smallest to the really big ones. And he has never failed me. Sometimes he meets my needs without my having to ask him. Here is an example.
At the beginning of July I needed to make two purchases of about $30 each, but I only had enough to make one. I take surveys for points that can be redeemed for money. I got several surveys from four of these outfits to be able to redeem the points. Two were for checks ($20 & $30), one was for $30 to my PayPal account, and the other was for $25 by pre-paid Visa card. The sites said the checks would take 4 – 6 weeks and PayPal would take 4 weeks. The last pre-paid Visa card I got took about 6 weeks. So I was not expecting any of them until mid to late August.
To make matters worse, I had a lot of printing to do, and my printer ran out of ink. That’s when things got interesting. Within minutes after finding out I needed to get more ink, I got an e-mail from a site that gives points if I make purchases through them. The e-mail was an ad for a company where I used to buy my ink. I clicked on the link, but the site was messed up and I could not place an order through them. I knew of two others I could use and still the same points, so I checked them. One site was down. That left the one I last used to buy ink. I checked them; their ink plus shipping would be $24.94. I was thinking I would just have to wait to do my printing until late August – and hope I would not need the material before then. A couple of minutes later I got an e-mail from one of the survey sites. I checked it and saw it was a virtual pre-paid Visa card that could only be used on the Internet – in the amount of $25. I quickly ordered the ink using the new virtual Visa card. So, in less than 2 hours the need arose, the supplier was identified, and the funds provided. To top it off, I got the ink only 4 days after ordering it. Now I was back to my original dilema – two purchases with only enough funds for one.
On the 18th I made the purchase with the highest priority – wondering how I would be able to make what I had last until I got the extra money in August. The next Friday I got one of the two checks. As you may suspect, it was for $30. When I made the purchase, the price for what I wanted had gone down, so I still had some left over.
I could just about write a book of all the things like this that have happened over the last 24 years, but who would read it? And really would it do any good? Maybe, for a very few people, but not the majority (even those who claim to believe in God).
The question asked was why I believed in God. So my answer is: my experiences cause me to belive in God. God cannot be proven or disproven – he must be experienced. That can only happen if you want it to.



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ronnie

posted July 30, 2010 at 5:19 am


You can never say that an orange taste sweet when you yourself haven’t experience eating it. Just like in life, you can never say that God exists or there when you yourself haven’t experienced His goodness and love.



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LAQUITA

posted July 30, 2010 at 7:22 am


YES I DO BELIEVE,MAY I REPEAT THIS,YES I DO. FIRST OF ALL I’VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF SEEING THE POWER OF GOD AT WHAT HE DOES BEST THATS SHOWING THAT NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH HIM IF YOU HAVE FAITH. I’VE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE I COULD NOT FIND MY WAY OUT AND ONCE A TALK TO HIM ONE ON ONE I GET MY MIRACLE.I’VE SEEN THE POWER OF HIS HEALING. BY JESUS STRIP WE ARE HEAL. IM NOT SAYING WE WONT HAVE PROBLEMS BUT HE IS THERE TO SOLVE THEM. NO PERSON ON THIS EARTH CAN GIVE YOU A HEALING,NO PERSON CAN KEEP YOUR BODY FUCTIONING LIKE BREATHING YOU CANT EVEN DO THAT YOURSELF THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME FORCE DOING IT AND THAT FORCE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.I SOMETIMES LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND CANT SEE MYSELF THE REASON I THINK IT IS BECAUSE ME MYSELF AND I IS A SPIRIT. I CAN FEEL MYSELF BUT I CANT SEE MYSELF IT SEEM LIKE WHEN I’M LOOKING IN THE MIRROR THE PERSON INSIDE OF ME IS LOOKING AT THE FLESH BUT CANT SEE THE REAL ME. THIS IS HOW THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKS YOU CAN FEEL HIM AND KNOW THAT HE IS THERE. I LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS DONE GIVING US BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT COLORS SHAPES AND FORMS. IT NOTHING BUT THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF BUT HE EXIST AND I STAND ON 100%



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hopnthebox

posted July 30, 2010 at 8:07 am


I think the issue with god is in how we define god. Big G, little g doesn’t matter to god only to us. Personification only confuses the issue. God is not a comic book notion sitting on a throne with a white beard overseeing the universe. Nor is god defined by our religions which cater to our social and psychological needs. God simply put is the first cause of all reality…as we know it. For us to understand god absolutely we would have to be god. All we can experience is the manifestation of the divine.



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Mary

posted July 30, 2010 at 10:10 am


I believe in God because of my own personal experiences and miracles. I am a cradle Catholic, but I fell away for a while. My marriage was failing, and I was angry with God over a lot of issues. Then, my devout beloved father, who had his own share of suffering which he accepted with serenity and joy, was diagnosed with lung cancer. This was the latest in a series of earth shattering blows – I was losing the love of my life, my brother had committed suicide in previous years due to an auto accident that left him unable to work, and my father had already suffered from Parkinson’s disease for 18 years. Now, in 2004 I had started a business, and here it was Christmas of 2005 when this cancer was discovered. So I packed up my business and went to Maryland to be with my parents during hospice. 2 days before my dad died ( he was in a coma) he suddenly woke up and told us all to pray. He had a vision of God as pure light, and had messages for us. He told us that for him God told him no more suffering or pain. He said God was so brilliantly beautiful that it would kill a human being to look upon him. For me he fixed his eye and told me “Things are going to happen in the future, PRAY and it will be alright”. He died 2 days later.
Now 6 months go by and I am not feeling all that well. In Oct I came down with a severe stomach flu. My husband was worried enough (even though we were still fighting) to insist I go to the emergency room. I did not want to go, but he put me in the care and we went. The doctor said my intestines were swollen and suspected diverticulitis so he ordered a cat scat. And he was right. I did have diverticulitis. I also had a huge cancerous tumor on my right kidney that was silent. The tumor looked on the scan like it invaded my liver and lymph nodes. I did not realize at the time that kidney cancer is deadly and once it spreads you are a goner, there is no real effective treatment for it. My husband got real pale and fled to the chapel. I might add that my husband was baptized Catholic but had not received all the sacraments, such as confirmation. He also ceased going to Mass after we were married ( about 25 years). Well my sister said he feel to his knees and begged God to spare me. He promised to pray and attend Mass if only I would be spared.
After the operation to remove the Kidney, the doctors declare the tumor was only pressing on the liver and the lymph node was swollen but not invaded. I was saved. My husband kept his vow. He has not missed Mass in 4 years, and our marriage is healed. A side note – I visited Lourdes as a result of all this, ( I have a great devotion to the Blessed Mother), my confirmation name is Bernadette, after Bernadette Soubirous, the saint who experienced apparitions of the Virgin and produced the healing waters. Pilgrams from around the world visit Lourdes for physical and spiritual healings at the baths.
Now my husband decided to make his confirmation, as that is something my dad always prayed for, and my husband loved my father. So we went to our priest, and we decided he would take my dad’s name “Alfred” as his confirmation name. I was curious to see if there was a St. Alfred and there is. Saint Alfred the great, and his feast day is Oct. 26.
Our wedding anniversery.
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Drew

posted July 30, 2010 at 11:39 am


I believe in God because I have personally seen & experienced His Love & physically felt the awesome thrill through my entire being of that Love that defies words to explain it. I have seen miraculous healings in my own family more than once. He has protected & saved me from harm on many occasions, even when I was the one causing the harm & NOT following His will. I’ve always believed in God, but got lost for a long time pursuing my own selfish aims. He still was merciful & Loving toward me in spite of the shameful way I ran my life. He was patient & waited for me to find my way back to Him (with a little nudging here & there!) Today I continue my search, not For Him, but to learn to be Closer To Him & try to do the things that He would like.
If you doubt God but are willing to be open & give Him a chance in your life, then I would make a suggestion. Ask Him to prove Himself to you! Something to the effect, “God, If you’re real then I ask you to prove it. Show me that you are God & I will follow you.” I believe that if you’re sincere He will! Better to believe in faith, but by proof is better than not at all. BTW-I also believe in gravity even though I can’t see, taste or touch it!
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Gary

posted July 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm


I believe in God because of creation and the intricate design that could only have been by something supreme. The mountains and landscape, the intricate colors of wild life, the complexities involved. I read an article that we are programmed genetically almost like a computer program is written. I believe its like God is giving us the wisdom and discoveries that point to him. The only thing I struggle with is the why and what fors that the unfairness of life brings, but when you look at it in eternity its not even a speck and Im sure there is a purpose for it all anyway that we will never understand until its all fullfilled by God.



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G

posted July 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm


I believe in God and believe that the ‘essence’ of God’s being is love.
Why? I don’t know. I don’t really believe in what I was taught and don’t hold the Bible as inerrant with regard to the truth of the Cosmos.
That is, I don’t hold the earth to be 6-10,00 years old, or Noah to have really saved the Planet etc.
I struggle with ‘Fall of Man’ and subsequent curse of Death for the reason that it would suggest the we are the only life in the Universe and that it all revolves around us.
I can’t imagine that light years away is human like life that suddenly, several thousand years ago becomes subject to ‘death’ based on what some humans did trillions of miles away. I would have to picture some absurd scenario as Zorg turns to Gloph and says : Crap.. there was no such thing as death , then last night my wife died..those stupid Earthings are at it again!”
This and many other absurdities come to mind based on traditional religious belief. But I do believe in God .



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Marilyn

posted July 30, 2010 at 3:40 pm


There is no doubt in my mind about the existence of God and I don’t even understand anyone else’s doubt of His existence. Look at the world we live in — science, biology, everything physical about our universe, our bodies — the DESIGN of it all! It is fantastic and unbelievable how everything works the way it does. It did not all just “happen that way by accident”. There is someone greater than the universe itself who designed it all. And not only did He create it down to the smallest atom, but did it all with love and then gave us the capacity to feel His love and to love one another. We did not just happen. We were created specifically, for a purpose and with design and what would God’s purpose be in creating all this without a plan? The existence of God only seems logical to me.



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Neil Gilligan

posted July 30, 2010 at 5:41 pm


I believe in God because He wooed me to be filled by His Spirit and then He led me to lay hands on the sick and they got healed, led me to drive out demons and they left, and gave me words of knowledge for people I had never met before and they would tell me it’s true. I cannot heal the sick, I cannot drive out demons and I cannot know secrets of people’s hearts. I can’t do that. Only Jesus can do that and I participate in that because He is with me via His Spirit. In my book: “Transformed by the Power of God: Learning to be Clothed in Jesus Christ” published by Destiny Image Sept 1, 2010, I discuss how I became both filled and clothed in God and then how my life was transformed and I obtained a supernatural quality to my life. I believe the Scriptures from the Bible now almost all literally. I believe in God because He has empowered me to release the kingdom of God.



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Leslie

posted July 31, 2010 at 7:23 am


The giffts of our lives is proof enough in the existence of our Lord. HIs presence may be felt in our times of sorrow,grief,joy, frustration,sickness,laughter and most of all love.He exists in all of our trails, hopes,and dreams.He creats them,even our tears are gifts so we may look for Him in our sorrow. He gave us our lives to learn about faith,we live in this human body, in this spiritual plane to learn and teach others about faith, love and forgiveness.THe Bible was given to us to provide stories, examples to relate to in our own lives.It is not meant to be translated literally, it has been translated by men and altered several times. The Ten Commandments are the basic laws to live by, they are not the ten suggestions.Somewhere in the BIble it says we should not ask GOd to poove Himself, we are to have faith. There are always answers to prayers,whether it is silence, have patience or a miracle. The miracles of old, the ones of the Bible occur everyday in the here and now, mostly they are overlooked or explained away. Death is not a curse but a part of life. It is a rebirth to our spritual being and a learning for the ones left here. WEecontinue to live and learn after we leave this body, we are not GOd and do not become HIm as a perfect being. We are still his children and continue to learn about love. Angels ae all around us everday, if we open up to thier existence, we notice thier works and feel thier presence. There is nothing in this world that God cannot handle, it is His world, it is His gift to us. If we turn to Him, our Heaven is in the gift of the lives He gave us.



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Judy

posted July 31, 2010 at 7:26 am


When I was 12, 13, 14, I was being made to go to confirmation classes at a Lutheran church. Now my cousin & bf, was totally against the whole religion thing. She used to sit next to me writing BORING in artistic ways across her workbook pages. One day I go home & ask Dad, Why should I believe in God? He said, Why do you believe Columbus sailed across the oceans? At least this was the gist of the major discussion we had & it started me on my own discovery mission for truth.
As time has gone on, I have experienced my own set of major miracles. Plus the ability to love & feel what other people feel. It all goes so deeply into me that I cannot do a thing but feel & relish what god has continued to give me that I come to tears from it all. What other superior being could give me these abilities? I have always known I have been blessed so much that I can only be thankful at all times. Even though this past year I was laid off & know the challenges that I will continue to face as time goes on, and have gotten mad & upset over, I just know that God has kept me here for a reason. I just hope he shows me more soon so I can better understand whatever else happens. And I hope for all of you out there, that you experience some of this love & understanding that can happen with belief.



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kristy

posted July 31, 2010 at 8:56 am


i do know there is a God. the feel of His presence, the answered prayers and many thins that happened in my life that there is no other explanation but Him.



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Sonny

posted July 31, 2010 at 9:23 am


Hmmmm, I come into contact with this question before. This is good…
The reason I think God exist? I will start off with the existence of consciousness, Universal consciousness, Intelligence, energy, physics, geometry, aura, awareness, memory, de javue, DMT, birth, animals, flowers, dolphins, monkeys, pineal gland, the third eye, nervous system, eye site, spinal cord, DNA, 5 senses, soul, heart beat, mind, brain, thought, past life, paranormal, possession, miracles, The Sun, The Moon, The Stars, healing ingredients in our soil/trees/herbs/fruits & vegetables, dimensions, galaxies, creation, polarity, balance, telepathy, chrystals, various skeleton that have been dug up from around the world from 100-1000′s of years ago. Some very large, some very small, some homeo sapien, some not.
Yes it is true only not too long ago that it was discovered that we did not actually evolve but have had some DNA engineering that took place shortly after our cousin the “cave man” came here. Now any time that you can say that something has been created or engineered you have to think that something or someone created it or engineered it. Both of these require some sort of working intelligence.
I suggest there is a “hire being” if you will, a intelligent, mass of energy life force that has whipped all of this up. That this energy life force is one and the same with all.That the #1 illusion is in the belief the human race being completely diconnected the whole, when in fact we are an extension of the whole. One in the same as the creative energy force………….



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Sally Clifton

posted July 31, 2010 at 9:35 am


I’ve heard it put this way: it would be easier to believe that a print shop blew up and Webster’s dictionary came flying out than it would be to believe that this universe came into existence without a Divine Creator. Our amazing bodies, the beautiful earth, the still small voice when I seek Him, the Bible, all of it…is not just a coincidence!



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PastorJohnCrough

posted July 31, 2010 at 9:57 am


Why I know that God exists. This is my answer seen through my eyes by the gift from God called spiritual eyesight. I have not only seen spiritual beings after passing. I have seen the Holy Spirit mot once but twice. I too have seen the arch angel St. Michael. I have also seen the devil. This is a gift from God. You too can find your gift from God just by seeking him and believeing him whole heartedly. This too will give you why your existing here on earth and your true purpose as well. From PastorJohnCrough



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Connie

posted July 31, 2010 at 10:09 am


I have lived many heartaches, injuries, pain, and have numerous scars. I have lost a parent, family members, loved ones, and been hurt by those I held closest to my heart. I have tried to listen for God’s guidance, but it often seems silent. I pray and the prayers seem to go unanswered. I know God does not work on our time table or achedule but on his own. I just want to find a way to believe he hears me and will answer the prayers I have prayed some a hundred times and new ones which I have only prayed once or twice.



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Alesia White

posted July 31, 2010 at 10:42 am


Its funny that about a few months ago, I really overcame my sudden disbelief that there’s a God as a matter of fact, I’m not sure I had doubts about God’s existence, just how He made me go through so much trials. I was told I was a Christian by default and so I went searching for the origin of my belief and have amazingly ended up falling in love all over again with God, but this time not because I grew up in church but Because I believe for myself. It’s a wonderful feeling an amazing one. I know there is a God and just the journey that I have been on proves God’s faithfulness to me ans those I see daily.



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Neil Gilligan

posted July 31, 2010 at 1:05 pm


Kristian on July 26, wrote “I don’t believe in gods. I don’t see any reason why I should. I haven’t seen any evidence that would point toward existence of supernatural beings.”
I Think that Christians have a responsibility to demonstrate to the people in their relational networks that Jesus is God and has power and love. Kristian has not seen any evidence of that. She is like the Fedex-Kinkos employee that I write about in my upcoming book: “Transformed by the Power of God: Learning to be Clothed in Jesus Christ” by Neil Gilligan Sept 1, 2010, and the employee told me she was an agnostic meaning “she does not know” but I discerned an angel standing behind me and got her to come over and feel with the palms of her hands where the angel was standing. She felt one side and then the other and then said, “What is he doing here?” The agnostic “knew” an angel was standing there. She had evidence. I told her he is here to help me demonstrate who Jesus Christ is to you. When you are clothed in Jesus Christ (Romans 13:14)you are able to demonstrate who He is to the world.
Rational arguments about faith began in the Enlightenment when intellectuals asked for evidence of the miracles they read about in the Bible. But believers said they only need to believe but not demonstrate. The evil one stole the message from the hearts of the believers so they did not get the kingdom of God within them (Matthew 13:19) and now we are living in the after-math of the defeat of the saints, but we need to be overcomers and rise up and demonstrate who Jesus is to people like Kristian. In my upcoming book: Surprisingly Supernatural: A Practical Guide to Releasing the Gifts of the Spirit I teach believers how to receive the gifts so they can demonstrate Jesus to the world. The enemy has lied to the world but now we who are followers of Jesus Christ need to rise up and go out as He was sent out…in the power of the Holy Spirit (John 21:20).
Evidence of God is in the hands of the believers, will the true believers rise up today?



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Shaela Foxx

posted July 31, 2010 at 4:02 pm


I believe that GOD is real, but there IS more than 1. I believe that The GODS are in your conscience and in your heart. Anything that is GOOD is GOD, GOD is Holy, but GOD is NOT HUMAN.



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JOYCE BELL

posted July 31, 2010 at 7:25 pm


I AM SOON TO BE 66 YEARS OLD AND GIVEN MY HISTORY, WITH WHICH YOU CAN BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THROUGH MY POETRY ON http://www.authorsden.com, IT IS A ‘MIRACLE’ THAT I AM STILL HERE AND FUNCTIONING “NORMALLY”…WHATEVER THAT IS. THERE IS NO OTHER ANSWER FOR MY CONTINUED EXISTENCE UPON THIS EARTH. I AM NOT STRONG, I AM NOT INTELLIGENT, I AM NOT NOTABLE, BUT I AM A CHILD OF THE LIVING GOD AND THAT IS ALL IT IS TO IT. BECAUSE HE LIVES…I LIVE. GOD BLESS AND LOVE, JOYCE * HIS INSPIRATIONS



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David P

posted August 1, 2010 at 12:02 am


Guess I fit into the ontological argument. I first had these thoughts about the conception of God and perfection when I was a senior in high school. However, the larger influence in my life, and the main reason I believe in God, is because I’ve always felt a connection to something outside myself guiding me to right behavior and moral questioning. I guess this would be the spiritual argument. For me life has always been a struggle between sinning and doing good. The spiritual connection I feel between me and God is what always brings me back to the center when I’ve ventured to far to the edges of conduct and ethics.



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Tony Martinez

posted August 1, 2010 at 3:56 am


My belief in God, Jesus, was in a word “spectacular.” I still don’t know why I was chosen, but while in prison about 35 years ago I was laying on my bunk alone on a sunny day in April. I heard my name called out and thought it was the guard which made me turn around, but nobody was there. I turn back to my nap when my name was called out a second time but more forceful, like a command. I turned and again nobody was there. Thought I was going crazy, hearing voices. I walked out onto the prison yard and off in the distance I notice one of the “Jesus freaks” as they were called. We met and ask me if I had accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior…I hemmed and hawed trying to get off the subject. The Christian finally ask me if I wanted to accept Jesus as my savior and I said, “yes” and proceeded to repeat after him. When I got to the last word I physically felt the Holy Spirit shooting through me like a thunderbolt, but a beautiful thunderbolt which left me shaking all over. I just blinked several times at the Christian and shouted, “what was that”?! The Christian smile and looked me in the eye and said: “That was the Holy Spirit going through you and you are now a child of God. I got out 5 years later and was still struggling with my alcoholism. In 2001 I was by myself and detoxing severely (I’m an older man)after sobering up 2-3 weeks prior and after going in and out of AA. That night I thought I was going literally mad. I was pacing back and forth thinking about getting a drink when I threw up my hands up in the air and yelled out at the top of my lungs “Jesus, please help me”!!! I felt the same beautiful bolt of lighting shooting through me and I knew it was my heavenly father hearing my plea and helping me by letting me know I was not alone in my struggle with alcohol. I’m still sober today by the grace of my heavenly father and am a more devout Christian. Do I believe in God? You bet I do, and I’ll share that with anybody that has an ear to hear. Since that time I have felt Jesus presence and his angels several times. If you contact me please make it known in the subject line who and what it is cause I delete emails from those I don’t know. Thanks for letting me share my experience, strength and hope.



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Kelly

posted August 1, 2010 at 4:22 am


I believe in God…I believe in God because He’s made himself known to me time and time again. Through the years in times of disbelief and in times of faith, through my sins and through any goodness…no matter what state or season I have been in…He’s always there proving His immense Fiery LOVE for me in all different ways…from common to miraculous and extravagant..He’s always been there whispering to me even when I have refused to listen or acknowledge it is His voice speaking . He has been the driving force that picks me up when I cannot go any longer. He shows me His existence through His creation. Through the innocence of a child, through the painting of a sunset, through laughter, through ….I believe in God because He speaks to me through His word that truly is alive and active for us in this day. I will read and His word will come alive and so often be axactly what I am going through in my day or be the exact word I need to hear.He speaks to me sometimes through others, but most of all I hear Him constantly speaking to my heart. When we do not push Him away and when we begin to listen… the more He will speak. I believe in my Savior because of the miracles in my life. Like that time when I was a mess inwardly and outwardly in my life and I shoul’ve died in a car wreck but I didn’t and I was spared. like those years I prayed time and time again for my healing to come after suffering from awful back pains and one day it came and He healed me…now I’m pain free. Like when I was abandoned once again after going through a divorce, He was the one who remained by my side giving me strength every day to keep going and then after healing my heart of pain He gave me mercy that I may forgive and not become bitter. More than anything I believe in God an I belive in His Son Jesus because they have proven their Love for me by transforming my life inside out. When the world speaks of religion my Savior Jesus speaks to me of Love and says “Come all who are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest”…He also says” I have not came to judge the world but to save it”. We have a God that says” Come freely”. He died a grusome death that we may have all our sins past, present, and future payed for and that we may experience freedom from guilt and be able to enter in to the precsence of A perfect Holy All Loving GOD. Also that we may have a GREAT HOPE for this world and for all eternity to come. A hope and safety that lies in our LOVING GOD that says, “come”. I love you. trust me and come freely to a fountain that will not leave you thirsty, to a God who will never abandon.



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Cobalt TiNor

posted August 1, 2010 at 9:28 am


I guess you could say that I have a combination of reasons when I look at those supposedly different arguments. One thing i often think about is common sense, meaning there has to be a reason for everything and something so complex can’t be without a creator, if there is no purpose, no reason, they why are we inclined from birth to love, to do good, why not just just let mankind destroy itself and planet earth already?
Another is personal experience. Although I wish more of my prayers were actually answered, I have seen my prayers for others answered, and whenever I have tested God with something far from normal, he has pretty much always proved to me his existence by fulfilling my situations or actions from others.
Those are two pretty basic watered down mainstays for myself.



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rae

posted August 1, 2010 at 9:34 am


Ontological, transcendental, teleological, anthropic….all utter NONSENSE !!!!!!!! God said 2 words…”I AM !!”…..and that’s all there is to it!



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Roger

posted August 1, 2010 at 10:06 am


What a silly question!
A more relevant one might be whether Infinity exists or not.
According to most (believing) mathematicians, Infinity exists and one divided by zero is Infinity. Thus, if Infinity is obtained by dividing zero into one, as believing mathematicians believe, then Infinity exists.
But, according to most (non-believing) computers and calculators, zero divided into one is NaN. Thus, if NaN is obtained by dividing zero into one, as non-believing computers and calculators believe, then Infinity does not not exist.
Therefore, before we are obliged to decide whether there be zero, one, or many, many Gods, we must first decide once and for all whether zero divided into one is Infinity or NaN.
While wrestling with the God(s) question, keep this in mind: Infinity + Infinity = Infinity and two * Infinity = Infinity. So if God = Infinity as believers believe, then believers cannot know whether there be one, two, or an Infinity of Gods, since Infinity * Infinity = Infinity.
Claiming that God is the Only One is a contradiction, because Infinity + Infinity = Infinity and Infinity * Infinity = Infinity. Thus He may not be the Only One.
On the other hand, if ~God = NaN, as non-believers believe, then there is no contradiction, because NaN + NaN = NaN and NaN * NaN = NaN, as any non-believing computer or calculator will show.
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Carol

posted August 2, 2010 at 10:47 am


I grew up in a Christian family, but my own belief that God existed grew as I get older. However, when I truly decided to accept Christ as my personal savior I prayed to God that he would confirm to me that I was doing the right thing. This was my prayer. ” Oh heavenly father, I wish you speak to people today like way back in Bible days. Any ways I would like you to give me a sign that you exist, and Christ is my savior.” A few nights later I had a dream, and in my dream someone was trying to hold me down. I started screaming the words “Get behind me Satan”. I woke up from my dream and there was an image of a man in my dresser mirror nodding his head. I thought to myself if I was still dreaming. I close my eyes real quick and open it again and the image was still there. Shortly after it disappeared. I know this may sound like foolishness to some, but after that experience I’m more sure than ever that God existed, and he proves to me day by day with my life experiences. Wishing you all a peaceful heart.
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Debbie

posted August 2, 2010 at 1:59 pm


I also grew up in a christian household; but as I got older I really saw what God’s love does in our lives. My mother is so full of faith and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, as does she, that God watches over her and me. In fact just last week, I did not know how I was going to pay all my bills, and my faith has not been very strong lately; but I said Lord I know that you can take care of this, I don’t know how, but you have always shown that you provide. That day was payday and along with my check was a bonus check that I did not know I was getting for almost $500. He always comes through, in crazy ways that you don’t expect. If you just believe and have faith, wonderful, joyous things happen. Do bad things happen? Sure, but I am sure happy that God is on my side and watching over me and taking care of things and guiding them in a GREAT way!!



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Lottie

posted August 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm


GOD EXSIST TO ME BECAUSE, NOTHING ELSE IN THIS LIFE, VOID OF HIM WORKS. THERE IS NOTHING SO GOOD AS TO LIVE IN THE LIFE THAT GOD HAS PROVIDED AND LETS YOU SEE THE GOODNESS AND PEACE IN ONES MIND AND/OR SOUL.



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Pat

posted August 2, 2010 at 5:12 pm


I’ve personally experienced the Holy Spirit in my 62 years. During times of illness, during loss of loved ones, during emotional crisis. Someone asked me once how I know there is a God. I know because first I lived life without him, and then with him. There is a marked difference in the way I handle the world and all it entails now. I’m more at peace during bad times, and more appreciative during good times. It’s a lot like falling in love. You can talk about it all day, but one cannot imagine the joy until they’ve experienced it themselves. Surround yourself with God’s people, get into the Bible and study. One day when you least expect it you’ll say, “Now I understand . . .”.



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Roger

posted August 2, 2010 at 9:47 pm


No one can say with any authority that God does or does not exist. All claims either way are baseless. For whatever reason, God may exist in a person’s mind, but that does not give any person license to impose his/her will on other people.
Most people find it difficult to comprehend the end of their conscious existence. How can my wonderous internal consciousness be snuffed, in an instant, to eternal nothingness? My conscious self (soul) must somehow leave my mortified corpse to carry on eternally in a pleasing, painless manner, perhaps as I am accustomed to in my dreams.
My theory is that many centuries ago the God and devil purveyors understood this human weakness quite well and used it to good advantage to control the uneducated masses. Only a few fortunate or gifted scholarly were literate and had free reign among themselves to do as they pleased. Be good (do as we say, not as we do) and God will allow your soul to live on happily through eternity, and be evil (do as we do, not as we say) and God will see that your soul rots in hell, or worse.
I don’t believe in the supernatural. I think most highly educated scientists who have studied elements of nature believe the Universe and Earth didn’t come about because of some special plan, but are simply a speck of something beyond our comprehension. Einstein reasoned E=mc^2, but he or no one else has come close to understanding the implications behind his equation. We are able to recognize many characteristics of electromagnetic and gravitational waves, but may never understand the mechanism(s) behind their existence. With this humiliating ignorance and in want of a better explanation, we might as well ust say God made them.
Sorry that I can’t write more just now; got to saddle up my trusty old dinosaur and ride off to creation. See ya.



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Roger

posted August 2, 2010 at 11:55 pm


The Earth’s surface crust is 1% of its mass, and its remaining 99% core is molten lava. When the crust cracks and shifts, we curse God, and when a little girl is found alive in the rubble, we praise Him. How convenient.
Jason asks,”Why do you believe in the existence of God?” Well, I don’t believe in anything supernatural, and God fits into that category.
But my simple answer to why many people believe in the existence of God is “convenience.”
Aunt Lizzy tripped over her walker, fell and broke her hip, got a replacement, and is now running marathons! Praise the Load and pass the chips! I was rooting for the Cubs all season, and they won the World Series! Only God could make that happen! I’ve been playing the lottery for 25 years and last week I won $5,000; I won’t mention that I’ve lost more than ten times that amount. God was watching over me that day! But what about those other 9,124 days? Guess He doesn’t like me as much as I like Him. I suppose, since I don’t believe He exists, He is punishing the hell out of me.
Some people live in a flood zone because it is inexpensive, and they get wiped out in a flood. Pray for them! What will He do? Turn the swamp into a mountain? Then people will live on the mountainside and get wiped out in an avalanche. Pray for them! What will He do? Turn the mountain into Detroit? Then people will live in the slums and get wiped out in gun battles. Pray for them! What will He do? Point an astroid toward Earth! I guess He can do that if He has a mind to.
Second only to “Made in China,” God is the most common word in the United States. Laying all our troubles on Him makes us feel good, and feeling good makes us, well, feel good. We love God. People are nice to each other with God in church. They don’t say bad things or shoot each other with God in church. But after church, look out!
And nations don’t go to war without God on their side. “With God on our side,” we can’t lose. Nice thing about God is He is on everybody’s side.
What was the question again? Oh yes, whether God exists or not. During WWII there was a small island occupied only by “savages” who had never heard of the God thing. The U.S. built an airstrip on the island. After the war the island was abandoned and left again to the natives. Years later anthropologists visited the island and found crude statues of the airplanes, which the natives were worshiping. Did they believe the airplanes were gods? Could it be that here was something so far removed from their conceptualization that the only possible explanation was gods?
What is a miracle and who is authorized to perform one? What is the “Biblical Definition of a Miracle?” The answer is quite simple. Miracles must supercede natural laws and only God can perform them! Birds floating around over a small island is not a miracle, but large, loud chunks of silvery metal crashing to the ground and flying away, that is a miracle. Only a god could do such a thing!
So when we see things happening that seem to defy our concepts of natural events, we tend to chalk them up as miracles and attribute them to our favorite God image.
Everyone knows (I think) that water falls downward under gravity, but few of us understand how trillions of tons of that stuff can rise a mile or more into the air, obviously superceding natural laws. If God can part the waters, I’m sure He can lift up a few trillion tons of H2O into the skies. And that probably explains why we have droughts now and then, when He’s too busy answering other people’s prayers, or not.



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Webminotaur

posted August 5, 2010 at 1:18 am


Roger
Your lead-in sentence is correct. No one can “prove” whether or not God exists. However your second sentence is totally false. Claims for either position are not baseless (just look at your own claims). It is just that the basis for belief/nonbelief is personal. You say no one has a license to impose their belief in God on other people. How about all those who deny the existene of God forcing their beliefs on everyone else? Do they have such a license?
You missed the question. It was not whether or not God exists. It was Why do you believe God does/doesn’t exist. In spite of your long disertation, you did not answer the question of “Why I believe…”
Please note that I am not belittling your belief that God is a man made concept to explain what happens. I agree that often God gets blamed or praised wrongly, and that superstious people can (and often do) make a god of nearly anything they do not understand. Nor am I picking on you. You are just the most recent representive of most of those who debunk the belief in God. I am merely pointing out you (and nearly everyone else who does not believe in God) did not address the question.
Why do people believe in gravity? Simple, they see it in action. Why do people believe in love? Simple, they have experienced it. Why do we believe in God? Simple, we have experienced him and seen him in action. That is what is being expressed by those who believe in God. How about those who do not believe in God giving us the simple why of it?



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Ian

posted August 5, 2010 at 7:15 am


I am totally conflicted with this one. Have you ever been privileged to witness a baby’s birth? Ever been the recipient of some undeserved and unexpected kindness? Or perhaps even just experienced one of those all too rare days when you are just grateful to be feel the wind on your face and the simple act of breathing? For me these things hint that there may be more than my simple mortality and that there perhaps is a someone or something greater.
On the other hand the finality and senselessness of death, disease and suffering is sobering. Cruelty by one’s fellowman or the many daily, natural tragedies that we all experience at times is perplexing. I’d like to have a 100% belief in a personal creator but I have to acknowledge that my humanity stumbles on the rocks of these harsh shores.



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Survey Magnet

posted August 5, 2010 at 3:38 pm


We have an interesting debate about this topic going at the following link:
http://www.surveymagnet.com/2010/07/does-god-exist/
Come and join the fun!



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Your Name livia Palmer

posted August 5, 2010 at 11:43 pm


I believe in God because I breathe and every breath belongs to him.



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Juanita

posted August 6, 2010 at 1:16 pm


I guess I started out believing in God because that is what I was taught as a child. Then as I grew older I read and studied the bible for myself and found it very believable. When I look at the beauty of the world around me, I see God and when I am at my lowest moments and I think things will never be ok again, I’ll suddenly be filled with an inner peace and calm and I know I’m not alone and that there is a God and He sees my pain, and He loves me and holds me when I’m hurting.



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Roger

posted August 6, 2010 at 2:29 pm


Webminotaur said, “Your lead-in sentence is correct. No one can “prove” whether or not God exists.”
Then Webminotaur said, “Why do we believe in God? Simple, we have experienced him and seen him in action.”
Then Webminotaur went on to say, “How about those who do not believe in God giving us the simple why of it?”
First of all, if a “simple why of it” existed, it would have been expressed long ago. There is no simply why of it.
Let me make perfectly clear that I am not claiming that God exists or doesn’t exist, since it cannot be proven, and Webminataur agrees. Then Webminataur goes on to say that God exists, because he/she claims to have experienced God and seen God in action. That is a contradiction. If Webminataur has experienced God and seen God in action, then he/she is saying that God exists. I challenge Webminotaur to prove that he/she has experienced God and seen God in action, and then he/she will have proven that God exists.
How does one experience God? Does He whisper in their ears or strike them with bolts of lightening? Does He materialize like a genie in their coffee cups and talk to them? Does He deposit money into their bank accounts? According to the Bible God performs miracles, where a miracle is some miraculous event that defies the laws of nature. Many people have claimed to have witnessed miracles, but none of these claims have been proven. A substantiated miracle that violated known laws of nature would become a world-wide scientific phenomenon and be reported around the world. That hasn’t happened.
A Poisson distribution http://www.uoxray.uoregon.edu/ph353/Poisson_distribution.pdf describes the probability of rare occurrences. We grow accustomed to seeing a particular event happen a particular way, because that is the way it has happened most of the time. For example, all people who have been diagnosed with a particular terminal cancer have died of this cancer within two years. Does this mean that every person diagnosed with this terminal cancer will die of this cancer within two years? No. It may be possible that some Christian (or Muslim or Atheist) will be diagnosed with this terminal cancer and have it go into remission and then live a long and productive life. If that person was a Christian, the claim would be that God performed a miracle and saved him/her. If that person was a Muslim, the claim would be that Allah performed a miracle and saved him/her. But if that person was an Atheist, the claim would be that according to Poisson distribution of rare events, this supposedly miraculous event is possible and God or Allah had nothing to do with it.
My reason for believing (not proving) that God does not exist has also been expressed on other posts to this Blog. For example, see my post to “Rob Stennett on the Genesis of Doubt.” I think the evidence is much stronger that “Man made God” than “God made man.” Over the millenniums there have been thousands of gods and rituals conjured up in man’s imagination to describe what he couldn’t comprehend and what he feared.
The existence of Christianity does not prove that God exists. It is just one of thousands of religions based on gods that evolved and has survived to this day. I think that God has survived in Christianity because man has given Jesus the power to keep his soul alive to eternity (don’t turn out the light if you please). Man simply cannot cope with the terrifying possibility that his consciousness will poof to nothingness shortly after he takes his last breath. Why is only man given this luxury, and not every animal in God’s great kingdom? Does the soul of every creature, big and small, live on to eternity?



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Roger

posted August 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm


Ian said, “I am totally conflicted on this one.”
I think that is a natural response of believers. Do a Google search on “God is good” and you get 1,110,000 hits. Do a Google search on “God is bad” and you get 5,010 hits. That’s a 222 to 1 ratio of verbally pleased versus non pleased. Either people aren’t being honest or God is not responsible for terrible events such as floods and earthquakes and hurricanes and fires and plagues and wars and…
Maybe the devil is responsible. Let’s see, “devil is bad” 4,970 hits and “devil is good” 26,400 hits! Whoa! Five to one says it can’t be the devil.
Then who is responsible? Mother Nature? Let’s see. “Mother Nature is good” 10,600 hits and “Mother Nature is bad” 536 hits. Twenty to one says Mother Nature is not responsible either.
That leaves open the great possibility that people are not giving God credit for the bad things that happen in their lives.
Then it is no wonder that God appears to be so popular. He is given credit for doing only the good stuff, and the bad stuff, I guess, just occurred by chance. Why is that?
Perhaps it’s because when you really believe in God and fear Him, and when you look at the prospect of your soul not residing eternally in Heaven, you may not be so inclined to think or say anything nasty about Him. According to most teachings, He is watching over you and listening to your every thought and word every instant of your life. And all good Christians know you cannot escape the wrath of an angry God. Just how many bad thoughts or actions He will let slip through the cracks before dropping the guillotine has not been determined as far as I know.
So I can see why many Christians have to be torn between a rock and a hard place. The Bible says, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” That threat may go beyond swear words, I’m imagining. As you watch hoards dying and crying out in agonizing pain, you dare not lay any blame on the One that intuition tells you is responsible, for your soul may be in jeopardy.
That prospect is very scary, because, as far as I can tell, God doesn’t yell out and warn you to shut up like your spouse would, so, unless you are really good or really bad, you won’t know where your soul stands until judgement day.



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Roger

posted August 6, 2010 at 9:23 pm


MainlineMom said, “The experiential part is of course from having an intimate relationship with a God who speaks directly to me and works in my life in ways I could never have imagined.”
That is wonderful. I think that anyone who has any doubts about the existence of God would love details about how God speaks directly to MainlineMom and how He works in ways that MainlineMom could never have imagined.
It certainly would help me if I knew how God speaks directly to MainlineMom. Is it through voices in MainlineMom’s head? I often hear what I think are voices in my head, but on closer examination it always seems to be ringing in my ears, probably from getting old.
If a voice is heard, how does MainlineMom know that it’s from God. Does the voice say something like, “MainlineMom, this is God speaking?” Does He call Himself God or Allah or Budda or maybe by some other name? What language does He speak? English or Swahili or Inuit or what? Will I need a translator to communicate with God? Maybe that’s my problem; the ringing really isn’t ringing, but God speaking to me in a tongue I’m unfamiliar with. I’d record the ringing so linguists could study it, but I haven’t found a microphone sensitive enough to pick up the signals.
Does God appear to MainlineMom in material form, or as some type of virtual image as may be seen in a 3D hologram? Can MainlineMom touch God or does God touch MainlineMom?
When does God talk with MainlineMom? Is it during daylight hours or only at night?
Is anyone else around when God talks to MainlineMom? If so, can they hear what He is saying to MainlineMom, or have any of them taken notes or recorded any of the conversations? I’d be interested in hearing what they think about God’s conversations with MainlineMom. If God appears as an image, has MainlineMom or anyone else tried to take a photograph or video of Him? Does the image come out crisp, or blurry, or blank? Does God maybe say, no photos please, as He’s only to be seen by true believers, not by Atheists and other doubting people?
It must really be exciting to have God work in a person life in ways they couldn’t have imagined. Would MainlineMom care to share some of those exciting experiences with us, so we could determine if God may have worked in our lives in ways we could never have imagined, but just didn’t realize it? Maybe God has been communicating with me all the time, and I just didn’t realize it.
Any helpful information would be greatly appreciated.



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Jason Boyett

posted August 6, 2010 at 10:19 pm


Roger:
Thank you for your comments, but I think we’ve gotten your point. Lengthy refutations of every Christian commenter aren’t necessary, and it’s beginning to come across as bullying. You’re welcome to present a different viewpoint — I love to have all voices here, as long as they can disagree while remaining respectful. You’re crossing the line.



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a Legit Son of YHVH

posted August 9, 2010 at 1:43 pm


He has to open up our SENSES to see who He is; just like He opens up our MINDS to understand His Voice of Grace and the Truth of the Holy Scriptures… God initiates EVERYTHING… HE is the Creator – Designer – Complete in all that He does… even LOVE… LOVE, as Designed by the Creator does NOT FORCE US to Love – He gives CHOICES – but good or bad consequences to OUR DECISION to OBEY – we are responsible to RESPOND to HIM (Obedience because we LOVE HIM) or REACT to HIM (Sin of Rebellion)… simply put – He gives grace to the Creature that understands He isn’t God and needs the OEM to intervene and save US… He opposes the PROUD (self-focused and taking credit with SELF good works or SELF-INITIATIVE)… even the Believers… humility folks IS the KEY to His HEART as Father… the Messiah KNEW this… He didn’t have any pride in HIM… or HaSatan would of had a place in Him… Selah… the Cross levels the field for all… isn’t the REAL GIFT of God.. the pure, holy Spirit, that remains? – it’s about HIM daring to invade our lives, even as messed up as they ARE… second by second; minute by minute; hour by hour; day by day; week by week; month by month; year by year… He is always FAITHFUL to US – if we humble ourselves and do LIFE HIS WAY… His Voice first but we must know the Voice we’re listening to… the Scriptures are the second witness… Selah….
just desiring HIM and all that HE IS… as HE sees fit to REVEAL HIMSELF… the greatest QUEST of any creater is to KNOW intimately their CREATOR… Psalms 100:3 – He made us… NOT, NOT, NOT we ourselves… why do we take credit for anything in this life, apart from HIM? – blessings! WSC



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Webminotaur

posted August 12, 2010 at 4:53 am


Jason,
Thank you for intervening. As I read the rebuffs, I was wondering how I could tactfully say that the trend was getting out of line.
It was not my intention to belittle anyone. Each of us has the basic right to decide as we will, but also must be willing to accept the consequences of our decisions.
I expressed my decision that there is a God who loves me and watches over me to meet my every need (not necessarily my wants/desires, nor always in the way I expect). I answered your question by saying why I believe as I do. Several others have also expressed why they believe there is a God (I have not seen any posts from Islamics, Buddhist or other religion).
What I asked was for those who do not believe in any god to express why. That there are many gods and that no one has been able to prove there is a god of any sorts, just seems very weak. Still, if that is their “why,” it can be said in just a few sentences.
Maybe a good rule to follow would be to start each post with either “I believe there is a god, because…” or “I do not believe there is a god, because…” That should (key word) stop any bickering or belittling.
What do you think?



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Your Name

posted August 12, 2010 at 6:29 pm


I wonder if the Webminotaur is inclined to devour the virtually young who are cast into the maze of his virtual thought. As far as arguing about the existence or nonexistence, …or either or both or neither [sorry, a little Buddhist humor here], … of God is concerned, one must first consider the different definitions of God as entailed by all our various and variable concepts of Him. If two people engaging in one argument fail to define its premises, they could very well be engaging in two different arguments, while all the while thinking it’s one.
As far as there being no absolute and sure fire proof of God’s existence is concerned, one must also consider that there likewise is no absolute and sure fire proof of His nonexistence, unless of course the person here is an absolute materialist, believing in nothing but matter, whatever that is, as the basis of our existence. No spirit. No soul. No transcendental operation whatsoever. When your mother is dead, simply throw her into the garbage. She is no better than a mass of old meat in need of no mass, if one is to be practical about it.



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Shirley

posted August 29, 2010 at 9:46 am


Our God certainly does exist & the proof is shown daily to all of us in so many ways, if we only take time to feel his presence.In my busy schedule I sometimes forget yet HE tells us”Be still & know that I am God”. My God saved me from stage 4 cancer when nothing else could. At the reality & knowledge of facing foreclosure on my home, I prayed continuously & exactly one hour before proceedings were to start, God saved my home where I lived for me years afterward.
God WILL talk with you… if you only take the time to listen.
HE is like a never-ending life insurance, only HE paid the price & all humans need to do is accept.To me there is no doubt. God is all the proof I need. Thank you, Jason, for this interesting & very thought provoking discussion.



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Norma Jackson

posted August 29, 2010 at 9:56 am


IM 66 YEARS OLD AND WHEN I LOOK BACK ON MY LIFE I SEE MANY TIMES WHEN GOD WAS AT WORK AND I DIDNT EVEN CARE—HE IS STILL WORKING N AND THRU ME AND NOW I CARE–I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER N OCT OF 08 AND HES LET ME LIVE UNTIL NOW 4 1 REASON–BECAUSE I GOT THIS LIFE THING RIGHT–WE R HERE 2 GLORIFY JESUS AND THAT ONLY IS OUR PURPOSE 4 LIVING–GET IT RIGHT –PASS THE TESTS OF FAITH–AND LIFE IS GOOD–IT DOESNT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!! BESIDES WHAT BLOWS ME AWAY IS THAT EVERY SNOW FLACK IS DIFFERENT–AND HE NAMED EVERY STAR UP THERE–I CANT HARDLY REMEMBER MY GRANDKIDS NAMES–AND MY FATHER CAN REMEMBER THE NAMES OF TRILLIONS OF STAR??? I JUST CANT WRAP MY MIND AROUND HIS GREATNESS!!!



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g

posted August 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm


I believe in G*d.
as to the nature and essence of G*d I am not sure whatI believe. I am not overly certain about G*d as revealed through Judeo-Christian literature and tradition for various reasons including creation stories vs science etc.
I assume that G*d is love but it is not based an anything rational.
In my quest to find ultimate meaning of existence I see no overly compelling reason for existence and equally I find no overly compelling reason for non-existence. One state existence/non-existence does not present any compelling reason to trump it’s opposite state therefore I assume that there is/isn’t both. Existence and non-existence are equally compelling.
How does that make for a G*d to exist?? I don’t know, just something in my Kishkas that is not really rational. Probably I feel like I need to believe it though I am not certain why.
I have thought that not even G*d could prove G*d’s existence.
At best G*d could demonstrate some power beyond anything I could imagine and I could still ask the question ; ” well, it is obvious that you have incredible power which proves you are greater than I, but does that make you G*d??”



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Faithful

posted August 30, 2010 at 11:18 pm


I believe in God, He sent His Son Jesus,so that we through Him could be saved and have eternal life with Him in Heaven.I am a true believer
Born Again and Spirit Filled In Jesus Name.A few years ago the Lord
healed both of my knees,the doctor said i would have to have surgery.
I can home i read,i walked,i talked,i ate,i prayed,i breath,i slept
with the word of The Almighty God,when i went back to the doctor i ask
the doctor to give me the Good News and The Good News,he looked at me
like i was crazy and he got upset because i didn’t have to have surgery and he told me to take the brace off my leg and i said Praise
God,Praise God…



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Wayne MacKirdy

posted September 1, 2010 at 11:59 am


I am with the Apostle Paul: Romans 1:20 says that the invisible things of God are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made so that no man is without excuse for not believing in the existence of God. This is often called the Cosmological Argument. Hard to argue against the evidence!



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DianeSchoon

posted September 5, 2010 at 2:27 pm


I have living proof that there is a God. After I had my first child, my husband and I agreed to try for a second child. After three miscarriages and three different specialist that could not agree as to why I kept having these miscarriages after serveral test on both my husband and I, I found a prayer to God in my church bulletin. I have somehow lost that prayer in all the moves that we have made, but I lamenated that prayer and said it everyday, sometimes two or three times a day during that pregnacy. And, because God listened to my prayer and saw my desperation in this situation, He mercifully granted my wish in this prayer and as a result I have TWO BEAUTIFUL GIRLS!!! NO ONE will EVER convince me that it was the act of God that allowed me to have this beautiful daughter of mine!!!



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Webminotaur

posted September 6, 2010 at 5:28 am


I like g’s post (August 29, 2010 1:47 PM). It brings out a very interesting and important issue. Most of us who believe in God offer personal experiences or some other rational basis for our belief. That is left-brain thinking. However, g’s post draws on right-brain thinking. It is the right-brain that gives us emotions, art, inspiration, and intuition. It takes us beyond what we can see. That is the very essence of faith.



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Wayne MacKirdy

posted September 7, 2010 at 1:24 pm


I find it interesting that despite objective evidence for the existence of God, my fellow commentors cite only experiential evidence. Paul never cited his feelings.



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Davin Paralee

posted September 11, 2010 at 1:10 am


God is the spiritual personfication of Existence. The devil is the spiritual personification of oblivion.



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Eric

posted September 16, 2010 at 5:33 am


I know that God exists because of Jesus. Jesus walked the earth and lived among men. His existence alone indicates that God is real.



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Debbie

posted September 16, 2010 at 8:22 am


I see the existence of God every day. I see Him in the face of a new born baby. I see Him in the laughter and innocence of a little child. I see Him in the beauty of nature. I hear Him in the singing of the birds. I feel His presence every day and He guides me through life in this world. In happiness and in sorrow, in sicknes and in health, I know that God is there. He makes His presence known to all who will see.



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Vanessa

posted September 16, 2010 at 2:44 pm


Living on this Planet, Earth confirms my belief in God. When you think of the awesomeness of the solar system. Imagine, we are living on a large extremely hot rock, that is floating in space. Which is, in fact, space is an extremely hostile environment to humans. I cannot believe that all our needs (Gravity, our atmosphere, air , water, sunlight, etc) are provided by random coincidences. It has to be by design, in turn, begs the question, Who designed it. GOD!!!!!



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JluvJs

posted September 16, 2010 at 5:31 pm


I believe in God, and I know without a doubt God is real, and Jesus is Gods Son, and the Holyspirit is real.All 3 in one. The bible is all true, and the devil and demons are real. I can tell you 100 percent that everything the bible says is true. When you believe in God and put your trust and faith in God, invite God in your heart tell Him your sorry for your sins, and pray to God, you will get to feel God in your heart, His presense and His Love are Awesome. You will get to have God which is now your Father live in you, and you will feel Him living with you, it is the Greatest Gift you could ever imagine. You never feel alone, you have a companion, friend, and Father for Life. John 3 16 says For God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting Life. I prayed for 2 and ahalf years after I became a christian for a healing, and God healed me, no doctor could help me. I thank God everyday, He is so Wonderful, and a Beautiful Father. God will make himself real to those who believe.Which means you will get to have the creator of the universe right with you, you will feel his presense, love, and personality, it is so Awesome, Christians cant stop talking about Him. I feel Him with me all day, WOW… What a Great Life, and God says Eye has not seen or ear heard nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him I cor 2-9. When we get to heaven one day. I always believed in God, And now I have a Relationship with God, and I can tell you God IS Real. Read your bible, it tells all the truth about God. He is right by everyone and watches all we do, and wants you to believe in Him, and have a life with Him, that is what he put you on this earth for. To be with Him. If you dont believe in God you wont be with Him in heaven one day, and will miss out on the Greatest Love of a Lifetime. Our Precious Father. The Greatest Gift the world could ever know. I Love You Father.



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Your Name: Tillie

posted October 20, 2010 at 6:34 pm


I believe their is a God, always did; however I didn’t take it personally until later years. I called Him ‘Creator’ as a young person and took this teaching for granted. Finally in the mid stage of my life ‘Creator’ took on a whole new meaning! I learned about Jesus or I took it personally that He is the Son of God. Of course I had to get saved; which is having a born-again experience. It seems like I went through a ‘Time Warp’ of Faith or something; because He became real to me. I can actually say God, my Creator is real and I believe I have to go through His Son Jesus Christ to get to the Father (God).



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Jim Gay

posted November 24, 2010 at 10:31 pm


If I can expand on your question of belief in God, I will say I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. This is why I believe. I was baptised when I was eight years old but always questioned my faith because of my “sinful” nature. But about 10 years ago a person gave me a book called “Classical Christianity” by Bob George. I will make this simple. Mr. George says that Jesus lived, was crucified, and rose from the dead for the basic reason stated in John3:16. He also pointed out John6 vs 28&29. Read those verses, take them to heart and I believe you will never doubt your faith. I put my trust in God’s love through Jesus to guide me through life and knowing I am only human, I thank God for forgiving me by sending Jesus who died for all of Man’s sin. The work of God is to believe in the One He sent(John6 vs 28&29)



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Peter Matthew

posted January 30, 2011 at 7:52 am


Because the Universe makes a whole lot more sense with God than without Him. I’ve tried out other viewpoints, atheisim,rationalism,even paganism. The simple belief in God and His revelation in the Bible is so simple and I don’t have to go through the mental gymnastics I had to with the other opinions.



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JMV, Philadelphia, PA

posted January 30, 2011 at 9:24 am


Intellectually, I believe in God because of a corollary to the Teleological Argument that is based on the laws of physics. The Law of Entropy states that all systems will go to their lowest states of energy unless acted on by an outside force. Thus, the argument by atheists that the universe, in all its complexity, essentially just “happened” randomly contradicts the laws of physics (as well as reason).
Spiritually, I believe in God because of His presence in my life and the lives of others. My faith comes from a relationship with Jesus, and His Holy Spirit nurtures that faith. This belief is much stronger than my intellectual belief alone because it is based on my own and others’ actual experience.



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julie

posted January 30, 2011 at 10:08 am


I truly believe in God the Son God the Father and Holy Spirit You have to go through the Son Jesus to feel the Father and Holy Spirit I wake every morning and say good morning to all 3 and thank them for everything especially my Health for with it you can do anything . Because who but God could make such a wonderful world we live in. Jesus is the alpha and omega and no one else can take his place on this earth he gave his life for all of us , we are all sinners and we all have to ask for forgiveness all the time we aren’t perfect . But with the Three of them Father Son Holy Spirit we can do anything The power of pray is undenielably real prayer can help anyone. Power of prayer saved our Son Jeff’s life he got off drugs and he is the only one who is living out of the click he used to be in.Thank you JESUS Put your Faith in Jesus and you will have no regrets ever



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Elijah A. Alexander, Jr.

posted January 30, 2011 at 11:07 am


I call myself a “Christian Atheist” because of proving all Jesus’ teachings except John 14:12 and when I reason Galatians 6:7, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap,” to its limits I see no reason for god to exist. Here’s my findings.
Existence is the process of learning by experiencing every iota of it, on earth, via reincarnation controlled by reaping and sowing or karma. Each life force, I call ghost (Matthew 27:50), incarnates as the first form of life eating, being eaten and interacting with other lifes creating karma. It continues as that life type for a predetermined time until every killing by any life type it’s required to kill have done it, then it moves to another. During the incarnations they also pay off karma.
That process continues through every life type until the ghost becomes a man incarnating in preparation to enter everlasting life. The “new birth” takes place in that last incarnation and upon doing so one begin to remember past incarnations pertaining to the situation they are in, allowing them to foresee what is intended by civilization and what will happen to it. They become prophets.
Upon completing the new birth by metamorphosing into “new adulthood” they obtain all the powers Jesus the anointed demonstrated becoming indestructible beings, holy ghosts and angels. After replenishing the earth from the material civilization’s end [Revelation 21 is a spiritual civilization, the opposite of this material one] they ascend into the next plane of existence.
Existence is like an onion with earth like planets being the center ball layered until and including the outer skin. The center ball and layers are like honeycombs, innumerable cells, representing every incarnation ghosts have to migrate through on earth and metamorphose into on the layers because once indestructible everything has to be remembered until reaching the outer skin. On the outer skin everything is forgotten in preparation to follow another path through the learning process again.
Also on the outer skin one ghost will retain memory and become the life force for existence which discarnates and is born out of it’s ashes, like the Phoenix, and that ghost brings it back to life releasing the preceding ghost to migrate through existence at the tail end of the line of ghosts.



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Gary Mac

posted January 30, 2011 at 6:29 pm


To question if God does or does not exist is lack of experience. God is a Spirit and His Spirit resides in man and that Spirit is love. Love never changes and is the same yesterday as today. Love isn’t something we learn or merit, love is a state of being, Christ in you. People make their gods what they want him to be by their own laws for tradition because they never met the God of love saying God is this or God is that and you must do this or that but that is not what the God of heaven is about at all. If one is anything other than He is and one with Him, then your god is fabricated by your own means. It isn’t a matter of does God exist it is a matter of who are you in Him.
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Sherrie

posted January 31, 2011 at 12:23 am


The Bible says that every man is given a portion of the truth, and for me the existence of God has never been a question, but that if any person on earth could truly be deserving of His love and Glory. Even though the doubts I had bothered me at times, I knew he was there and that without him nothing would turn out right. I did have doubts as to whether or not he answered prayers until prayers from my family and friends found me cured of cancer without any kind of treatment, it just disappeared from any kinds of tests after I was given less than a year to live in 1990. It is now 2011 and I am grateful for every year given me and all the things I have been allowed to see come to pass. Deep inside I believe that all persons know that the existence of God is real, they just don’t want to follow the rules. I heard one evangelist say, “Just how many people would believe in God, if they didn’t have to follow any of the rules?” Good Question.



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Ross, North Hollywood, CA

posted February 1, 2011 at 11:36 am


The mere fact that we have to continually ask this question is a good indication that there is no God. If there is one, then he/she/it has decided to exist at such a remove from our affairs as to be undetectable and inferred only by stretched arguments as detailed in your introduction. Many people have personal experiences and strong convictions that convince them there is a God (I once shared such beliefs – I’m judging none of my brothers or sisters here), but understandings and definitions of God are countless and often mutually exclusive. It makes more sense to think of God as a place holder word for the things we do not understand or the things we wish to be true.
I feel no need to substitute the genuine mystery of how our universe came to be with anyone’s ancient myths. There’s no reason to think that our fore-bearers had any greater purchase on truth than we do now; in fact, we should reasonably expect that they had understanding limited in comparison with our own. With science, our knowledge is improving at an admirable pace, and it’s the best we can do to objectively learn about the universe. One by one our poor ancient guesses are being replaced with evidence-based explanations; often counter-intuitive to the intuitions we evolved for survival. Our religions come from charismatic individuals who have told us with straight face their teachings come from the almighty. We have seen it in modern times with the likes of L Ron Hubbard, David Koresh and Joseph Smith, and we can extrapolate backward that similar individuals convinced their contemporaries with claims of special knowledge. I demand better.
We would live forever if we could, and we would like there to be a supreme law-giver who rewards good, punishes evil, and defines both. I say “we” because those options sound good to me as well. And yet I am content to live in the real world where I only get to live once. I am thankful that I have won the genetic lottery to accomplish even that. There is ample opportunity to live, love, do, and share. I am also content to admit the truth – morality is tough, rarely straight-forward, and is something we need to struggle to agree upon and improve upon. The march of history, while filled with setbacks, is encouragingly advancing on the trajectory of civil rights and a widening circle of regard for our fellow humans, our animal cousins, and our planet.
I wish you all the best as we ponder these wonderful questions together.



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Kristian

posted February 1, 2011 at 12:23 pm


Buzzed back here… Doing a bit of dissecting to expand what I said earlier.
“The Ontological Argument: The fact that we can come up with the idea of God is proof that God exists.”
The fact that J.R.R Tolkien was able to come up with the idea of Middle-Earth doesn’t constitute as a proof that it exists. Humans come up with lots of things, and the fact that we do doesn’t mean all we can imagine really exists. Is all fiction real? Are all gods that mankind has dreamed up real? Because, if the Christian God is real and this argument is a proof for it, so are all the others, from Zeus to Thor.
The Transcendental Argument. Moral behaviour has evolutionary benefits, so a god is not necessary to explain them. It’s interesting to contrast “immoral” behaviours that DON’T have evolutionary benefits to the ones that do – such as condemning premarital sex vs. condemning stealing – and note that the ones that can be a product of evolution are universal to all of us and come to us naturally, and the ones that are justified by only religious rules are non-universal and unnatural. Religious morals are learnt behaviour, and sometimes go against our nature.
The Teleological Argument: Only holds water if we think that everything is perfect. Life, universe and everything, including humans on earth, are so far from perfect that blaming a Creator for creating us the way we are is approaching blasphemy.
The Anthropic Argument: I think I’m paraphrasing Dawkins here, but the argument is probably originally by someone else; a puddle might think that the small dent in the ground that holds it was specifically, purposefully created for it to be in, since it fits it so perfectly. The anthropic argument is similar example of backwards thinking.
In the end, if you start with a clean slate, there are no convincing arguments to support the existence of a supreme being. Most people are religious because they were raised that way. Conversion from an atheist to a believer is, relatively speaking, extremely rare, and when it does happen, it has more to do with social engineering than any rational argument.
That’s why answers to “why don’t I believe” are far more boring and pointless than they’re to “why do you believe”.



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Sharon

posted February 3, 2011 at 1:59 pm


Whether or not we accept the Truth doesn’t change it. For most who know Christ, the answer is pretty easy and that personal experience is something we share when asked. If you know Christ personally, your answer to whether or not God exists is absolute.



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lusGuirediems

posted March 3, 2011 at 9:03 pm


Hello. And Bye.



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Shira Israel-Levin

posted April 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm


I believe God exists for many reasons. The fact that I am alive in spite of being born 2 months prematurely because my mother was in kidney failure. The doctors thought they could save her but lose me, or they’d be able to save me but lose her or they might lose both of
us. I believe because of the great diversity of plants, animals, and
environments they occupy. When I see large birds flying overhead such as Canadian Geese I am amazed because they look like because of their size are too big to be able to fly. I believe in the existence of God because of the continued existence of the Jewish people in spite of the attempts through out their history to annilate them. I believe because of the rebirth and continued existence of the nation of Israel in spite of the many attempts to detroy her.



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Stutz

posted May 21, 2011 at 3:00 am


I do not believe in God because the more I read, think, and learn about the world, and the more I take in and absorb of the findings of basically every scholarly and intellectual discipline, the more every reason people give for believing in God rings hollow, predictable, and naive to me — even (and sometimes especially) the opinions of theologians and Christian debaters.

I consider myself and atheist because I don’t believe in any god, which is the definition of the term. I would never claim to know there’s no God, because nobody could possibly know, and because it is logically impossible to prove a negative. But I am roughly as convinced of it as I am that hijackers were really behind 9/11 and not our government, for example. In order of how likely things are to exist from more to less likely, I’d go with Bigfoot just ahead of a deist/watchmaker God, followed by the God of the Bible, followed by fairies and elves, with Santa Claus bringing up the rear. That analysis probably sounds offensive to someone who’s given their life to Christ, but it’s an honest, and honestly held, opinion based on the best of my knowledge.



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barneyoh

posted May 29, 2011 at 4:02 pm


I don’t believe in God because Satan told me not to believe in him.

Before one can answer the question, shouldn’t you all need to define what ‘god’ is and is not?

I am of the opinion that there are no true believers. The way all religious people live their lives indicates that they don’t truly believe. If you’re around them long enough, they always slip up and indicate they don’t really believe. At best, they have a form of cognitive dissonance where they are able to simultaneous have two conflicting beliefs in their heads and use one or the other at their convenience.

People believe what they want to believe. So if people believe that a times praying that an imaginary being will help them, they will try to believe. People belong to churches because of habit, social advantages, to find or stay with a mate, etc.. They pretend to believe. Then they listen to the propaganda long enough to become brainwashed into accepting it and not questioning anything.

I don’t believe someone like Mr. Camping really believed the world would end May 21. This is true of a religious faith, people don’t really believe it. I think atheists should stop pretending they do as well.

I find all arguments for faith irrational. Theists will say “something can’t come from nothing” and then tell us “God came from nothing.” I think faith leads to a more immoral life because one does not judge the consequences of their actions in the real world.



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Jonathan W.

posted May 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm


I guess my stance is this: if there is a God which created our universe, he didn’t particularly do it with us in mind, and he doesn’t seem to want to intervene in it.

Meaning- when you consider the age of the universe, its stupefying enormity, and how few places there are in it which wouldn’t kill us instantly; the age of the earth and the geologically minuscule amount of time we’ve been on it (which for our ancestors consisted of countless thousands of years of harsh living, near extinction of the species some 80,000 years ago, and that we likely brutally ‘outcompeted’ our hominid brethren to enjoy our current terrestrial sovereignty); now that we finally are thriving, overpopulating and industrializing, we are likely making the earth less habitable in any kind of long-term way. And there’s more DNA from retroviruses accumulated in our genome from the preceding eons than there is actual DNA which codes for us.

Oh, and Herr Fritzl, genocide, spina bifida, childhood leukemia, Hiroshima, etc. etc.– all would be wonderful occasions to intervene and convert the entire race of humanity, or at least many of us.

Also- does the Anthropic principle apply to our house pets? Because the argument could just as easily be construed in their favor. And will it also apply after we’re extinct?

I ask non-rhetorically, is there any evidence in our natural history to suggest a loving creator of mankind?



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posted May 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm


Test your faith. Read entire link. You may never believe in God again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAURq_ouYLc



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