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Where are the Christian denunciations?

posted by J-Walking

I keep waiting. Even now I hope I’ve missed something. I keep waiting to hear James Dobson or Jerry Falwell take to the airwaves to denounce the unconscionable attack on actor Michael J. Fox by Rush Limbaugh.

We all know the story by now–actor Michael J. Fox, who battles Parkinson’s, took to the airwaves on behalf of Missouri senatorial candidate Claire McCaskill. Radio talkshow host Rush Limbaugh mocked Fox and said he is clearly faking it (Limbaugh later apologized).

All day, I have been waiting for the denunciations of Limbaugh from Christian leaders like those who were so quick to denounce Rosie O’Donnell for her own offensive comments about evangelical Christians.

But I haven’t found a thing.

I also waited for the White House to take a stand and say that Limbaugh’s statements were beyond the pale. I guess I’m still waiting, though I would really love to see that I am wrong.

You see, I have a dog in this fight.

I know what it is like to have a part of your body twitch out of control because your brain is doing wacky things. Ever since my brain tumor operation, I have dealt with seizures. They are basically small, isolated to my left food and leg. When one is occurring my leg and foot stiffen and then start to twitch uncontrollably. Over time, I’ve learned to just deal with them, but that is much easier done in private than in public.

In public things are different. One morning on a crowded Avis bus, for instance, a much more intense version came on and my leg and arm started twitching uncontrollably. One afternoon at a Home Depot the same thing happened. I had to lie down on the ground and watch my 10-year-old daughter reassure strangers that I was going to be OK–I couldn’t talk at the time.

I say these things not to evoke sympathy but to say I understand to some degree what Mr. Fox deals with on a daily basis. The psychological toll is enormous. But the enormous psychological toll it can take also produces something else–some measure of strength or courage greater, perhaps, than existed before the trial.

And so when Mr. Fox goes on the air and exposes the uncomfortable reality of his life to millions of people, he does so from strength and from courage. He deserves respect even from those who fundamentally disagree with his position. He deserves the as someone in a war for his life and for his family, because that must be what drives him in no small part. I know that when I think of fighting for my life I think of my young daughters, and I am determined to do everything in my power to live for them and for my wife.

What Mr. Limbaugh has done belies a frightening cynicism in our politics and in our public discourse that assumes the most nefarious motives and discounts the ideal of hope and genuine belief. He should be denounced by President Bush and by Christian leaders not only because of the offense he has committed to a man willing to put himself in the arena, but also because of the hopelessness, hate, and despair his language reveals.

I understand the passion surrounding the stem cell debate, but I cannot understand how that debate can engender such hatred and anger. I do not know where Jesus lies on the issue–I am confident, however, that he would be most concerned about the debate.



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Tenoch

posted October 26, 2006 at 4:36 am


Thank you David Kuo for continuing to keep Jesus at the center of your world view no matter how politically-incorrect it is to do so. Jesus certainly is missing in Rush’s callous cynicism and mean-spirited personal attacks. Imagine how Amos or Isaiah or Paul of Tarsus would respond to his gospel of hoplessness and hatred. Strange how the Religious Right fails to denounce the king of hate-radio yet they have plenty of well-documented hostility and condemnation for David Kuo, the writer who dared to critique religious seduction and corruption.Why is it that the Religious Right behaves more like Caiaphas than Christ?



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pjh

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:11 am


Just saw you on Bill Maher, then checked out Belief Net. I’d like to know more about you. I still follow what’s going on in DC pretty closely, but gave up on politics as a McGovern liberal back in the 70′s. Similarly, haven’t listened to Limbaugh in 15 years or so. As a preacher / teacher / missions advocate I plead with people to embrace Biblical priorities including the evangelization of the world (Acts 1:8 ) rather than the moralization of America at the expense of the great commission. Evangelical Christians are in serious need of a discernment adjustment. I’m hoping for a new generation of believers who are solid in a Biblical theology, able to hold Biblical convictions with grace, and express them with both passion and compassion. We need both theological orthodoxy and orthopraxy–and contemporary evangelicalism reflects both as being in great disrepair. And this results in the weakness of the church and its confused testimony to the world. Are there more like you and where do you congregate?



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s holmgren

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:35 am


This is a new low — attacking the bonfides of a disabled person. How come no denunciations from the right? Because they have deluded themselves that all right wingers are righteous, tell the truth and love the Lord and that all lefties are liars and heathens. What is scary is that they twist reality in order to keep these beliefs alive. In their all or nothing, black and white view of the world, they cannot criticize one of their own and they must demonize anyone who rocks their boat.The end justifies the means. They can be very powerful in rallying support because of thier unwavering certainty in thier own righteousness.If the attack on Mr Fox had come from the left, the righteous right would be tripping over each other to get a microphone to demounce it.



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kv

posted October 26, 2006 at 2:55 pm


David I am truly sorry for the pain of Fox (I am a huge fan) and for your pain. I myself watched my mother’s body ravaged by cancer and watched my mother-in-law become completely catatonic from alzheimer s. In this imperfect world we live in, only the grace of God gets us through so many things. That being said… You ask “Christian” Leaders to take a break from politics and then get mad when they don’t speak up regarding something important to you. It’s hard to have it both ways. Rush was wrong but it’s up to his listening audience to condemn him not religious leaders.



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Paul M. Yen

posted October 26, 2006 at 3:00 pm


I have yet to see the advertisement. However, I think it does take real courage for a public figure to reveal his/her medical condition to the general public for whatever political or personal reasons. I am sure it was not an easy decision for Mr. Fox to make such an advertisement. Although I may disagree with his support for stem cell research, I admire his courage and conviction. As a physician, I am appalled that a media figure would publically poke fun at another person’s medical condition or handicap. People may criticize Fox’s or the late Christopher Reeeve’s positions on stem cell research. However, they cannot dispute the dignity and courage with which they have faced their diseases. It is not easy to have debilitating Parkinson’s disease at a young age or to become quadriplegic. Is Rush Limbaugh so sure he would not want to seek a cure, by whatever means, if he were in a similar situation? Even if not, it is understandable (and very human) to understand why others may desire to do so. Compassion, not hate, is needed. I do not know Mr. Limbaugh’s religious beliefs and whether he professes to be a Christian. However, I do not want to link his brand of “conservatism” with Christianity in any way. I personally believe that some Christian and non-Christian social conservatives, have tried to use Christ’s name to do harm to others for whatever are their persona and political agendas. One of the hardest tasks for Christians, particularly when it comes to evangelism to people of other faiths, is it to undo some of the hate and sin practiced by “Christians” during the past 1000 years.



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SkipChurch

posted October 26, 2006 at 3:50 pm


Nobody really expects Rush Limbaugh to act like a Christian. Is Rush actually a Christian? I don’t know. I personally would hope that a man with intelligence, which he obviously has, and a large audience, which he obviously has, would try to set an example by raising rather than lowering the tone of the public discourse.This, alas, is not to be.What accounts for all these pretty disgusting media type– Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Savage? Well, they’re propagandists obviously, and guess what– the propaganda works! By virtue of their nominal ‘independence’ from the official party hierarchy they can mudsling and truth-bend in a way that is not available to the public party’s functionaries and elected officials. This fiction of independence is key. The Swift Boats thing was the classic example of that. But it happens all time. The astonishingly racist GOP ad against Harold Ford in Tennessee was shrugged off by RNC chief Ken Mehlman as follows: Even though a woman s voice discloses that the Republican National Committee is responsible for the content of this advertising, Mehlman said the RNC was not, in fact, responsible. He said the ad was produced by an independent group contracted by the RNC, with whom he is prohibited from communicating. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15403071/ As far as the tame GOP rightwing media personalities go, so long as they speak to an audience inside the bubble of GOP party orthodoxy, reinforcing the party line and keeping the fear and anger stirred up, they are doing their job. As to the religious leaders, and whether they should condemn (denouce, complain about, criticize) Limbaugh on this Michael J Fox issue: are you KIDDING me? We’ve had years and years of this sort of thing from the GOP propagandists, stuff by Coulter and Savage being some of the most appalling; so now how could anyone suppose the leaders of the Christian right would find a voice to say “Oh, that was really low, Rush.” The job of the ordained (and other) leaders of the Christian right is to provide reassurance to their flocks (I think that is the term of art, right?)that the GOP is the party of God, that the President is a Born-Again Spirit-Filled Christian Man, and that the individual sheep in the flock should get their wooly behinds down to the polls in November.



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 26, 2006 at 4:59 pm


And for that matter, where was the Christian outrage when Ann Coulter (who was, amazingly, allowed to try to pawn herself off as a Christian on this very website) denegrated the wives of 9/11 victims who dared to disagree with Coulter politically? Also, “Christians” will go into a road-rage fit in response to nudity, but seemingly turn a blind eye to graphic violence. I am deeply disturbed that if the failed far right Republican majority remains in ruinous power after the elections it will be thanks to “family value Christians” who care more about banning gay marriage than about our soldiers facing death and dismemberment in Iraq.The hypocracy of such “Christians” is stomach-wrenching. So I join Mr. Kuo in asking, in the face of all of this vileness, where is the outrage? Where is the groundswell of moderate Christian voices? Is it as scarce as finding moderate Islamic voices? I suggest yes, it is.



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 26, 2006 at 5:01 pm


And by the way, I am unaware of any news media figure mocking Mr. Limbaugh’s, ahem, little impediment for which he uses Viagra.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 5:13 pm


I think you can fast from politics and still speak out on this because the part that was so wrong had little to do with politics. It wasn’t Rush talking about MJ Fox’s position, or the political issue that people are objecting to. It was Rush’s treatment of Fox, himself, as a person. And people aren’t politics. So, you can still speak out on his behalf.



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Pete Bogs

posted October 26, 2006 at 5:22 pm


good point, Mr. Kuo… but the same Christians are also absent in their criticisms of the war… their faith constantly conflicts with their party loyalty and their patriotism, so they simply ignore any inconsistencies…



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Gary Aknos

posted October 26, 2006 at 5:35 pm


Well… wait a second. If you actually look at what Rush said, it is in clear reference to Michael J. Fox’s own words from his book in which he claims that he didn’t take his medication for days before his congressional testimony on stem cell research a few years ago. I understand your sensitivity to this but this also needs to be understood within that context.



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Jim Blevins

posted October 26, 2006 at 5:57 pm


In the first place you have obviously never listened to Limbaugh’s statement. He at no time did what you are claiming. In fact it is YOU and others like you who are theous ones. Limbaugh’s statement was (and I quote) “fox is either acting or stopped taking his medications.” Fox admitted that indeed he did stop taking his meds just for the purpose of the ads. Not only that, but what Foc’s ad implies is that the Republican candidate is against stem cell research. NOt true. Stem cell research is ALREADY legal in MO. What the Republican candidate is against is what the bill would do – make the state constitution license abortions. It would be a good idea for you to read the bill (I have) running off at the mouth about things you obviously know nothing about.The bill that is on the ballot in MO is so worded that people believe it is a ‘stem cell’ inititive, when in actuality it has nothing to do with stem cell research. You are misleading people. Just a casual reading of the bill sounds like a vote for it is for it, when a vote for it is against it. Again it is in the wording. It is a trick by the liberal left to get abortion legalized in MO. All lawyers who have exmined it closely have agreed that it is a great usage of sophistry (a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning – Websters). Furthermore, what makes you think that Fox is beyond criticism? As soon as he walked into the political arena he opened himself up to criticism – regardless of his infirmity. Fox contributed $1 million to research that had nothing to do with stem cells.To lambast Limbaugh shows your ignorance of the facts. But then again facts do not really matter to liberals.



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SkipChurch

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:17 pm


Wow Jim, you seem so well informed, really up on the law and all the sneaky tricks the liberals try to pull! Just one question. You said that “It is a trick by the liberal left to get abortion legalized in MO.” Is abortion illegal in Missouri?Maybe you should clue in Planned Parenthood. http://www.rhsofppslr.org/Abortion_law.htm



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eastcoastlady

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:27 pm


Limbaugh didn’t give anything close to an adequate apology. First he stated how he “hugely” apologized, as though it took a big man to admit what a total ass he had made out of himself. He then went on to call Fox a “shill for the democractic party” and said that Fox was exploiting his disease for the attention. Do you call that an apology?



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eastcoastlady

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:34 pm


But then again facts do not really matter to liberals. Such logical thinking is sure to win you a lot of support for your position. Tell me more about liberals, Santa!



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Amanda

posted October 26, 2006 at 6:53 pm


My husband was diagnosed with Parkinson’s Disease around the same time MJF was, both at age 30. I find it terribly offensive that Mr. Limbaugh would make the comments that he did. No matter what you believe about stem cell research, attacking a disabled person is the lowest of low. I assure you that MJF is not exaggerating his disease, just as my husband is not exaggerating his.



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dissenter

posted October 26, 2006 at 7:20 pm


“I do not know where Jesus lies on the issue–I am confident, however, that he would be most concerned about the debate.” It’s a little risky to presume what debates He would be concerned about. He might have other priorities than this little incident.



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James

posted October 26, 2006 at 7:26 pm


Christians: Do your political feelings on the stem cell issue lead you to be silent while a cruel un-Christian ridicules another man’s disability? Do you think Jesus cares more about some embryos in a freezer, or the way we treat our fellow man, particularly the disabled and weakest among us?



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Gary Aknos

posted October 26, 2006 at 7:43 pm


I think it’s telling that neither David Kuo nor the other critics here are addressing the point that Michael J. Fox himself conceded that he intentionally went off his meds before testifying before congress. How about some honesty here? What is wrong with calling MJF out on this?



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Bubba

posted October 26, 2006 at 8:25 pm


What’s wrong with that, Gary, is that some people want to be able to enter the political arena and remain absolutely free from criticize. We apparently must let them, even if (like Michael J. Fox) they misrepresent the issues at hand and even if (like David Kuo) they misrepresent the objectsion by the other side.



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 26, 2006 at 8:29 pm


Jim Blevins, your diatribe borders on self-parody. Thank you for letting us all know who and what you are.



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Tom Tomberg

posted October 26, 2006 at 8:40 pm

Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:15 pm


Actually, MJ Fox said he was ON his medication. Indeed, the doctors said that the movements were because of the medication. He’s at the stage of his disease where if he doesn’t take his medication, he’s at the stage of his illness which involves a sort of stiffening up. The jerky movements are a result of the sporadic application of the dopamine given by his medication.But, you see, it wouldn’t matter either way. Either way, that’s life with Parkinsons, and it displays what he wants to fight. You see, all the medication does is to mask the symptoms temporarily. As another prominent sufferer, Billy Graham, displays, the medication only is of limited duration even in that effectiveness. It doesn’t slow, stop, or cure the illness.And since it was a cure he was talking about, then to not take his medication (which, again, he DID, and even was amused, since it was a comparatively ‘good day’ for the meds), it’d be no more than like a cancer victim taking off their wig while talking about life on chemo.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:17 pm


Oh, and Bubba, did anyone here, anyone anywhere say you couldn’t criticize MJ Fox for his views? The stance he took, what he thinks about stem cells, what legislation he wants passed? The thing is, lately, it seems people can’t distinguish between debate on an issue, criticizing a stance or position, and mocking a person, and their circumstances.



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Peter Ahlstrom

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:17 pm


Well said, David. I agree, and though the rest of my family hasn’t read this blog yet, I’m sure they will too. And by the way, all four of us would like to encourage you to focus on the good feedback to your new book, and screen out the bad – which we have no doubt you’ll get. It strikes us that you, and my family, think quite a lot alike. You’re very busy, but if you can take the time, you can see that by looking at a book I’ve written (and am now hunting a publisher for) which is, temporarily, posted on our family’s web site, http://www.sparkleofnature.com. It’s called “Activating the Forgotten Commandment,” and looks at what the Bible actually says “loving our neighbors” means. That includes helping the poor.Good luck to you. If you have time, I’ll welcome any comments you have on the book. Peter Ahlstrom (and Yvonne, Yvette, and Bill)



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Gary Aknos

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:38 pm


James: Criticisms of MJF based on his own acknowledgement of going off of his meds before testifying before Congress is neither Christian or un-Christian. People with disabilities can be just as manipulative as people without disabilities. I agree with those who feel that MJF has, at least, has sensationalized his disability for political purposes… especially since he admitted it himself.



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Gary Aknos

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:40 pm


Kannbrown65: When did MJF say he was on his meds? Have a link?



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Bill Withers

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:45 pm


Okay, while it is obvious to any thinking human that Limbaugh was wrong…why on earth do you think that there needs to be a “Christian” apology? What are you talking about? Rush Limbaugh doesn’t represent Christianity. And you really expect the White House to weigh in on this? Your thought process is odd.



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Aaron

posted October 26, 2006 at 9:47 pm


It is so frustrating to see yet another person get the story wrong. Rush Limbaugh said “…this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn’t take his medication or he’s acting, one of the two.” Why can Mr. Fox challenge people freely on the airwaves about issues, and not be able to be challenged back? I do not think it is right to do it in an insulting way, but a way that gives more than one side to an issue (the democratic way.) Mr. Fox has purposely avoided taking his medication to prove how devasting his Parkinson’s is (to people who do not have to deal with it.) I think that Mr. Limbaugh should have the right to ask whether or not he is giving a fair persecption to people of how it is affecting him. Why do we have to live in such a PC world. You fairly stated, “I do not know where Jesus lies on the issue…” and I can state I do not know either. I can however state that Jesus challeneged people, and was not PC when doing it. We as Christian’s need to stand strong in this upcoming election. When we have things such as a NJ Supreme Court giving gay couple the ability to have “civil unions,” and even worse (in my mind) allow democrates to turn our Christian Country in the wrong direction by doing everything they can to keep Roe Vs. Wade, we have quite a battle. While I respect Mr. Walking, I think that he needs to do a better job of putting things into context, before hopping on the bandwagon.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:01 pm


First, there were two seperate incidents. A testimony a few years ago before Congress. There he said he didn’t take his medication. Which makes sense. He wanted them to see the actual symptoms OF Parkinsons. Its no different than taking off a fake leg to show that you had an amputation, or taking off the wig to show the hair loss of chemo. But, then there was the ad more recently. His disease has progressed since those two years, and he’s on a dopamine drug (common for Parkinsons).If you ever saw (though it was a fictionalized story, the medical explanations are accurate) ‘Awakenings’, they explain it. As the tremors get more pronounced, more fine, they go from being jerky to increased rigidity. Loss of mobility, and more fine tremors start to replace the swaying that you saw on the ad, unless they ARE taking medication. Believe it or not, that’s what improvement from the actual condition looks like.First, Rush doesn’t (as the video actually shows) say Fox didn’t just not take his medication. He says he is ‘exaggerating the effects of his disease’. Fox responded to Rush by saying, ‘Its hard for people who don’t have Parkinsons to understand the symptoms and how the medication works’. Rush didn’t actually apologize, he said IF he was wrong, he would. Then restated his position as if Fox had actually admitted it. He did NOT.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#anc_QOD_061026



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Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:02 pm


And I don’t think a ‘Christian apology’ was asked for. A Christian response to challenge Limbaugh for his behavior was what they asked for.There’s a difference. Nobody is claiming Limbaugh is some kind of spokesman for Christianity. Well, Limbaugh may, with his ‘talent on loan from God’.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:05 pm


And for Aaron, the point is, Rush had no idea if Fox is faking it or not. He isn’t addressing the issue, he’s attacking the person themselves. Its called ‘ad hominem’, and IT is what takes any attention off the issue and any honest debate on what Fox said. And yes, its a very poor tactic, and it tends to reflect an image of someone who really doesn’t have any real argument on the issue, so has to ‘shoot the messenger’. It isn’t some recent PC thing. As the latin name might suggest, that tactic has been viewed as a logical fallacy since the times of ancient Greece and Rome.



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George E. Hurtt

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:28 pm


I LOVED your book and would like to interview you on my blog. I plan to write a post on my blog about your book. Maybe after reading it you can decide if this is possible.George



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cadejo4

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:35 pm


Thank you, David. You are restoring my hope that Christianity will be a force for good again in the U.S. I will just add that the “response to Michael J. Fox” filmed by Jim Caveziel and others made me very uncomfortable, as Caveziel seemed to be carrying his role as Christ into the political battlefield. (In the end, he or the commercial’s producers mangled the quote he was meant to deliver in Aramaic.)



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Oregonlighthouse

posted October 26, 2006 at 10:59 pm


It’s simply amazing to me…How is it that no matter how many times and no matter how many ways the facts are presented, certain folks are so married to their own beliefs about something that they’re unable to change their position? BELIEF: MJF wasn’t on his meds and/or was exaggerating the effects of his disease. FACT: MJF has advanced Parkinson’s disease. At this stage of the disease, if UNMEDICATED, the sufferer becomes stiff, unable to move easily and in many cases is virtually unable to speak. When MEDICATED, the sufferer can move with some degree of control and speak clearly, but has the side effect of severe tremors and spasms. BELIEF: MJF made himself a target for criticism; therefore, Rush’s attacks were justified. FACT: Anyone who places themselves at the forefront of any issue does indeed offer themselves up for public criticism. However, in ANY civil society it is considered proper to criticize the MESSAGE, not the MESSENGER. The only exception to this would be if the messenger were themselves part of the message, such as MJF and his Parkinsons. To criticize MJF for his message and for the possibility of his using his disease as a tool to get the message across may be valid… but to attack him personally, dismiss his disability as acting, and suggest that he is dishonestly trying to influence people through sympathy is beyond the standards of civil discourse. Debate the message (even if it includes the messenger)… but leave the ad hominem attacks out of it. BELIEF: Stem cell research is already allowed in Missouri and elsewhere, so the ad is misleading voters. Embryonic stem cell research has never shown any medical promise, while adult stem cell research has already found cures and treatments, therefore we should keep banning embryonic stem cell research as it is no different than abortion. FACT: True, adult stem cell research is allowed. However, stem cell research overall is very much in its infancy, and much is yet to be discovered as to what benefits may arise from all forms of stem cell research. Federal funding for embryonic stem cell research has been banned in the United States since 2001. The vast majority of funds for basic research come from Federal sources. Therefore, tons of money has gone to adult and umbilical cord stem cell research while only a trickle of private funding has gone into embryonic stem cell research. To assume that there are no benefits to be derived from embryonic stem cell research, when to date very little research has been done in that area, is to argue a paper tiger. Furthermore, the embryos destroyed during research would come from fertility clinic discards… embryos that were subject to destruction already. To imply that using an embryo for medical research that may potentially hold clues to dozens or hundreds of cures affecting millions of people is abortion, versus tossing that embryo into a garbage pail is perfectly fine, is fundamentally ludicrous, bordering on the insane. This is logically equivalent to saying that preparing a bountiful meal for your family is evil, while throwing good food in the trash is righteous. There are undoubtedly thousands of belief/fact scenarios I could go into, and perhaps someday I’ll write a book, but after reading the variety of posts pro & con on David’s article, and seeing how the con’s continually stuck to their beliefs despite fact after fact after fact being presented, I felt someone needed to put it in one place, in simple language. By the way David… congrats on your book, and thank you for your courage and conviction. We need more like you.



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Bubba

posted October 26, 2006 at 11:45 pm


Assuming every assertion Oregonlighthouse makes and regardless of Kou’s own physical condition, it’s probably still overboard for David Kuo to say that Limbaugh “should be denounced by President Bush and by Christian leaders.” It makes wonder if, pace Patton Dodd, the mainstream television media is right that Kuo’s book is less a religous testimony and more a political diatribe.



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revinpitts

posted October 26, 2006 at 11:49 pm


Fox made it clear in his testimony before Congress that he had gone off his meds to demonstrate the progress of the disease. He did not try to deceive anyone on that count. My uncle had Parkinson’s and I know that the meds lose their potency over time. They are not a cure and he was simply seeking to show what the disease leads to as it progresses and treatment loses efficacy. The problem with political discourse these days is that people don;t say, “I believe I am right and that you are mistaken.” No, now they screech, “I am right and you are evil!” The acid of self-righteousness is corroding the soul of the nation.



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neonatheart

posted October 27, 2006 at 12:02 am


i guess the reason most christians arent saying anything is that (and i suppose i can olny speak for myself) we dont consider Rush and Coulter christians. (honestly i have never listened to Rush because of all the bad things i have heard about him). but i am sorry for what he said. he disgusts me. as does coulter and all their colleagues.



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Bubba

posted October 27, 2006 at 12:03 am


Since Michael J. Fox apparently admitted that he went off his meds before that Congressional hearing, I’m not sure it’s completely unacceptable for Rush Limbaugh to have wondered aloud if he did the same thing for that commercial. (And neonatheart, I wouldn’t judge anyone simply by what you’ve heard about him.)



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s holmgren

posted October 27, 2006 at 12:14 am


Why should right wing leaders denounce Limbaugh’s remarks? Because the remarks were disgusting and the mean-spiritied Limbaugh deserves at least a slap, because these leaders have set themselves up as judges on current issues, because someone with clout needs to say “ENOUGH!” One of the things most of us learned in kindergarten was that you don’t kick a guy when he’s down.It’s not complicated. It’s basic decency. There was a time when the hero was the good guy, now it’s the guy with the worst mouth.



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tovart

posted October 27, 2006 at 1:38 am


“it’s probably still overboard for David Kuo to say that Limbaugh “should be denounced by President Bush and by Christian leaders.” Dear Bubba: Would it be overboard to say “should be denounced by EVERYONE?”



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Bubba

posted October 27, 2006 at 3:36 am


I think so, Tovart, yeah. I’m afraid I don’t see the point of your rhetorical question.



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Bubba

posted October 27, 2006 at 3:53 am


Let me be clear, I don’t think Rush’s comments were all that objectionable. I could see how some could disagree, but: It’s over the top to suggest, as David has here, that his comments were as bad as Rosie O’Donnell’s comparing “radical Christians” to Muslim terrorists. It’s over the top to call the comments “unconscionable,” and to say that it “belies a frightening cynicism.” It’s over the top to call on denunciations by President Bush and Christian leaders. And the assertion that Rush’s comment reveals hopelessness, hate, and despair is hardly coherent. It’s kinda insulting to Michael J. Fox, to be such a shrieking nursemaid about the mere suggestion that he repeated for an ad what he did for a Congressional hearing. He’s a grown man who’s responsible for his own life; he’s not mentally retarded, and he’s not three years old. Was it the nicest suggestion Limbaugh’s ever made? Certainly not. But is it such an offensive comment that it justifies this amount of near panic? No, it doesn’t. I think Rush could have been more diplomatic in making his point, but I also think that it wouldn’t have mattered to people who are looking for a reason to be offended. Those people, including many here, regardless of the obstacles they face in life, ought to grow a pair. If they can’t realize that the central point in politics isn’t gently building up the self-esteem of others, they should run to their pink little playhouse where they can enjoy a nice cup of tea and a pleasant game of Candy Land.



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bigjolly

posted October 27, 2006 at 4:16 am


David, Remember the teachings in the New Testament about fruit? What do you think about the fruit you have put forth?



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Dan Slaby

posted October 27, 2006 at 6:06 am


Not only has the Republican Party given America a lemon contract, but it has parodied JFK s book Profiles of Courage with their Profiles of Perfidy . Ever since Jesus became a neo-conservative Republican with spats instead of sandles, there hasn t been a saint in heaven, let alone one in Washington D. C. who doesn t have a lobbyist or Angel greasing their way. In keeping with the Republican stance on social security, St. Peter now checks your golden parachute to see if you qualify to pass through those pearly gates to heavenly retirement. What ever became of Jesus, the liberal Jewish girly-man who had something good to to say?



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Jackie Batzold

posted October 27, 2006 at 6:54 am


Bless you. Remember that your faith is your armour and these trials are sent to test us. I am thankful to you and the Lord for your book and for the whirlwind of controversy it has initiated. The truth will win out eventually. If the meek are overlooked, that happens all the time. Do not forget that the meek will inherit the earth…As far as Michael Fox is concerned he is strong and secure and will march on. We should however let him know that we admire him for putting forth his views – he is not only a wonderful and entertaining actor, but he is also a good man fighting for what he believes in. I believe he is/was a Canadian too ! All the best to you, from a Canadian who stumbled on your blog and now reads it everyday. God bless you.



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Ceres

posted October 27, 2006 at 7:09 am


Gary Aknos, stop being a dittohead just for a few minutes, and watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCa4-vGQQLs



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HASH(0x930bd7c)

posted October 27, 2006 at 9:16 am


David I cried when I saw you interviewed on TV and I cried when I just read your blog today. You can not imagine how hard it is for someone that is trying to learn about Christ to find someone like you. Anger, ridicule and hate are not Christ like. Thank you for your courage to speak the truth.



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bistive

posted October 27, 2006 at 1:44 pm


This is a sad thing by Rush or anybody to stoop this low. Christians need to stand up and lead. There’s a saying from Gandhi ”I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so Unlike your Christ.” So you need to lead and not continue to follow blindly.



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HASH(0x9327204)

posted October 27, 2006 at 1:59 pm


DID YOU LISTEN TO THE SHOW? RUSH DID NOT APPOLIGIZE, BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO APPOLOGIZE FOR. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS ILL DOES NOT GIVE THEM A FREE PASS TO LIE.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 3:06 pm


Don’t confuse conservatives and compassionate conservatives with neo-cons.God knows the difference.



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ron

posted October 27, 2006 at 3:13 pm


It is my understanding that Rush apologized to Fox for suggesting “acting” was involved in the ad. What Rush was actually criticising is the suggestion that democrats need to be elected in order to cure Parkinsons through embryonic stem cell research. I am a conservative but I do think stem cell research is important.Thanks for the opportunity to respond.



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Paul

posted October 27, 2006 at 3:34 pm


I am new to this blog. I heard about it when reading David Kuo’s new book “Tempting Faith.” Ironic that the blog seems to be the very thing that David writes about in relationship to seduction. David, you should change the blog’s name from beliefnet to veneernet.



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BobC

posted October 27, 2006 at 4:31 pm


Since when is it incumbent upon Christians to condemn the actions of political figures? If this expectation of yours were met, Christians would only have time to issue condemnations, for this world is discouragingly full of condemnable behavior. Christianity is not best demonstrated by loud soap-box vocalizations of disapproval, but rather by the individual actions of each Christian. How one treats his neighbor speaks far louder than a press release. Fox and Limbaugh move in the circles of the rich and famous. Were Christ as concerned with such doings as you, he would have ate with the Pharisees instead of the commoners. The Apostles would have been religious scholars instead of fishermen. Politics is of this world. The love of Christ is not. I believe that when Christian’s focus on understanding and spreading this love, that politics will take care of itself.



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Elizabeth Cabalka

posted October 27, 2006 at 4:42 pm


Here here! The tendancy of the Conservatives to attack the fiber and character of an individual who speaks out with a view that differs from the “lock-step” rank is dispicable and deeply disheartening. When did the belief that someone with a differing opinion is “wrong” take over? Where is the ability to see beyond the view point to the person.Thank you for this article.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 5:00 pm


We are One in The Spirit We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord. We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord. And we pray that all unity may one day be restored. Chorus: And they’ll know we are Christians By our love, by our love, Yes they’ll know we are Christians by our love.We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand. We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand. And together we’ll spread the news that God is in our land. Chorus: And they’ll know we are Christians By our love, by our love, Yes they’ll know we are Christians by our love.We will work with each other, we will work side by side. We will work with each other, we will work side by side. And we’ll guard each man’s dignity and save each man’s pride. Chorus: And they’ll know we are Christians By our love, by our love, Yes they’ll know we are Christians by our love.



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Nels Ford

posted October 27, 2006 at 5:18 pm


Partisans are fools;idiots. To side with one “team”, over the other “team”, makes you an idiot. To be a partisan means that you are entirely corrupt intellectually, that you are brainless. Anybody, ANYBODY who endorses a party line is just plain stupid. Further, to argue from the stance of a party line, against another moron bleating from his dumb party line…these are vain efforts that amount to nothing. Until people look at issues individually, and analyze each and every issue based on facts instead of emotion and partisanship, well, this country will continue to be mired in the asinine.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 5:49 pm


It’s not just important to assess the candidates individually, but also to push back the veil of rhetoric and to look at what the candidate does both on individual issues and overall. Forget what they say. That’s irrelevant. Look at what they do and from where they get their money. Of course that means that we have to get our political news from somewhere beyond the major media outlets.



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Micki Nicol

posted October 27, 2006 at 6:10 pm


Haven’t heard about what Rush said but if he was attacking Michael J. Fox, he was out of line. Stem cell research is very important and Michael has every right to fight for what he believes in. Wish more people would voice their opinions to politicians directly as Michael has done. He is a courageous man who is willing to put his actions where his mouth and heart are. I’m disappointed that Rush would take any kind of adversial stand as far as Michael is concerned. A very public apology is very definitely needed from Rush.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 27, 2006 at 6:18 pm


No Ron. Rush never apologized. Rush said ‘if he was wrong, then he would apologize’. That’s not an apology.And, again, for the all caps person above, the issue isn’t with Michael J. Fox’s stance. Rush didn’t say MJ Fox lied about stem cells. He said that MJ Fox was acting and exaggerating the symptoms of his illness.And yes, MJ Fox has gone public with a statement that says that NO, he didn’t stop taking his medication, and a doctor backed him up by staying that if he had (his disease has progressed considerably since the testimony to Congress years before), he would’ve been stiff almost to the point of immobility, and likely unable to speak very coherently.So, Bubba, what do you think about the charge, specifically, Rush gave over his exaggerating his symptoms? AND the nice visual aid of mockingly imitating the movements? Even if Fox had gone off his meds, it was about as acceptable to do that as to mock the appearance and to wear a fake ‘bald head’ to imitate someone going through chemo.



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neonatheart

posted October 27, 2006 at 6:43 pm


Bubba, i worded my last post badly.when i said i did like what i had heard about him. i meant i have sat and listened to his supporters who quote him constantly like he was Christ or something. and i have heard him say “dont think for yourselves, i’ll do that for you.” i dont like that attitude.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 8:08 pm


I still haven’t quite figured out how or why Christianity has been solely define by the issues of: homosexuality, abortion and taxation of the wealthy. What ever happened to feeding the poor, social justice, heterosexual divorce, paying unto Ceasar and the two greatest commandments?: Matthew 22: 36-39 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love he Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. It profound isn’t it? The stuff I hear some of these politicians/self professed Christians spewing doesn’t come anywhere close to this.



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mlyons619

posted October 27, 2006 at 9:47 pm


…Do you think Jesus cares more about some embryos … or the way we treat our fellow man, particularly the disabled and weakest among us…? The poster here has unintentional brought this argument to the whole crux of the matter. Liberals complain that someone was “VERY CRUEL” in denying the verassitude of the “disabled and weakest among us” who wants stem cell research to continue unabated by moral issues. And in the same breath, DENY the humanity of our unborn children by dismissing them as “some embryos.” Michael J. Fox still has his voice and his influence and his money — I would not call him the “disabled and weakest among us.” Whom I would call “the weakest among us” are those unborn children wholack a voice in their defense, and whose veyy humanity have been denied, therebye making it “okay” to slaughter them by the millions so their body parts can be used to keep a few older humans alive. Now I really have to wonder what Jesus would say to THAT…!



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Anonymous

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:09 pm


Limbaugh never apologized. He said he would apologize if he thought he were wrong, but later stood by his remarks. Please correct your post.



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Fred

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:12 pm


Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself Michael J. Fox is a human being suffering a terminal illness. He is disabled, has children who love their daddy and parents and family who admire and love their son and friend, as well as lots of people who admire his bravery in the face of mockery and death and hope he will be cured. Are you saying having money makes him less than human, or his suffering less awful? If he was homeless on the street he would be like the blind beggars who Jesus spent so much time with, as Fox is utterly helpless and disabled. I doubt you have EVER met anyone with Parkinson’s Then there are some embryos in deep freeze. That is nice that you want to call them people but lets face it they are cells in a test tube. A sperm like so many discarded in used condoms and an egg that women shed every month No one will ever agree which came first, the chicken or the egg. But at least we can ALL agree a chicken is NOT an egg, and to call a microscopic cell in a test tube or on a petri dish a human being is nonsensical. I love my disabled, weak, struggling neighbor more than I love cells in a test tube. How can you love what you cannot see (embryos) if you can’t love the people around you, such as Fox? BUT THE BIGGER POINT IS: Embryos don’t even have to be destroyed – ever heard of stem cells from the umbilical cord? Jesus set his example to us of healing others, of healing the disabled and most vulnerable, giving hope to those who thought they had an utterly incurable illness such as blindness or leprosy, and loving those with diseases and infirmity as a brother. However I can’t recall a single line in the Bible where He advocated for stem cells, or that people should value a cell over a living, suffering fellow man.



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Anonymous

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:13 pm


How about some honesty here? What is wrong with calling MJF out on this? Gary Aknos Gary, did you think it was appropriate when Limbaugh immitated a Parkison’s sufferer to demean Fox? By the way, MJF stated specifically he did not go off his meds, and if he had, he would be stiff as a board. Limbaugh still hasn’t apologized.



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Anonymous

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:14 pm


And in the same breath, DENY the humanity of our unborn children by dismissing them as “some embryos.” A cell is equal to a person? Now that is completley absurd.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:16 pm


Of course, I haven’t heard of any legislation being submitted by the NeoCons that would require the implantation of all the frozen embryos or better yet banning the artificial creation of these embryos in the first place. Instead they seem fine having them thrown away or destroyed by some other method. It’s kind of like protecting heterosexual marriage NOT by banning divorce, but by going after gays who want a union.



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HASH(0x9335388)

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:38 pm


Cells, like food in a freezer, can’t be kept in deep freeze forever because they begin to disintegrate. When the ‘exp. date’ is past the test tubes are dumped out and incinerated. That is why I REALLY don’t understand the argument that these test tubes are “human beings” – they are test tubes, that have human cells in them, often 10 or 20 fertilized eggs from the same couple that are incinerated after a certain number of years. I’d say, we should fight for curing illness in our living neighbors rather than fighting to keep test tubes in deep freezers, that are going to be incinerated anyway.



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liz

posted October 27, 2006 at 10:41 pm


Christian conservatives generally make sense to me, but NeoCons do not.



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Carolyn Wagner

posted October 28, 2006 at 2:22 am


It should not be surprising to not have Falwell, Dobson, Pat Robertson much less the White House issue a statement in relation to Rush making harmful, hurtful statements regarding an individual nor those he represents. They have all done so either directly or indirectly by their insertion of religion in the decision making regarding research that could save lives. Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Limbaugh, Coulter and many others are political bottom feeders that have said and acted in harmful manners that have brought pain to untold thousands of glbt children and adults as well as their families and loved ones. They do this directly or indirectly with claims to being Christian. Who apologized when 9-11 was blamed on glbt citizens and abortion providers? Who was outraged then? When are we, as a society of all faiths and political beliefs going to hold public personnas accountable when they act in such a manner? I believe the failure of leadership to address such behavior reflects upon all of us. They would not act in such a manner if there was not a reward for saying such things. A great deal of money is raised by spreading lies and fear about gay people and lying about what the stem cell research bill actually said.To say this research would kill a fetus was not factual. I will always remain perplexed by those who oppose abortion but support the death penalty. I applaud Fox for his bravery and honesty. Thank you Mr. Kuo for your bravery and honesty as well as your good manners toward those who are not as considerate of your opinions. After years of civil rights work, I am a cynic and do not see very much grey left in why people behave so rudely.



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HASH(0x93373d8)

posted October 28, 2006 at 3:07 am


And I forgive you your opinion that Bush-supporters are disgusting pigs. I have had the same feelings come over me about Liberals and Progressives who kill children in numbers too big to count. I have tyhought similar feelings of those “on the Left” who champion a perverted idea of familiy and morality. Yup, there are enough disgusting pigs to go around, but it seems far more “on the Left.” It’s Jesus time again. AA The “left” has nothing to do with abortion. That was ruled on by the courts. The left supports the right of women to control their own bodies and reproductivity. Before that right, women had few options as we still see in many third world countries. What many idiot fundies fail to see is that abortion wont end if it’s made illegal. It would still occur especially among the wealthy who would just fly to another country where it’s legal. That like discrimination against the poor in this country. Also, without abortion, there would be a huge increase in so-called ‘dumpster babies.’ That’s when babies–full-term–are thrown in dumpsters or otherwise abandonded. There would also be a huge increase where children are born to impoverished single mothers and the children would face an increased risk of sexual and drug abuse. All that is the real “horror of horrors” than what abortion, which is the removal of a small wad of cells.



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HASH(0x93384b8)

posted October 28, 2006 at 3:13 am


All day, I have been waiting for the denunciations of Limbaugh from Christian leaders like those who were so quick to denounce Rosie O’Donnell for her own offensive comments about evangelical Christians You’ll never hear a peep from them. Every utterance they have ever made has been solely a pure cold political calculation. They’re all scum hungering for power and wealth on the backs of the most vulnerable in this society. But we prevail. Recent rulings in New Jersey bear that out. The more you creeps attack us, the stronger we become…



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HASH(0x9339f94)

posted October 28, 2006 at 3:14 am


That last comment from ‘Anonymous’ was from moi…



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 28, 2006 at 5:30 am


Limbaugh will, of course, never apologize for his personal denegration of Michael J. Fox, just as Ann Coulter will never apologize for her vile denegration of 9/11 widows. They are both fascist propagandists. And fascism means never having to say you’re sorry. Still waiting for any prominent christian to publicly stand up and say RL’s and AC’s hideous behavior is un-Christian….[crickets...crickets]



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Dennis Castle

posted October 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm


Carolyn Wagner wrote “I will always remain perplexed by those who oppose abortion but support the death penalty” Why is it so difficult to see the difference between killing a person guilty of a heinous crime and killing someone whose only crime is that they are inconvenient? Few things illustrate the difference between political “left” and “right” thinkers than this obvious separation. For the “right”, the person responsible should be held accountable, for the “left” the person responsible should be able to escape accountability. For the “right” the victim (which includes the unborn) should be able to achieve justice or escape further victimization, for the “left” the victim is just collateral damage.



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Bob Holmgren

posted October 28, 2006 at 8:46 pm


So you’re in favor of somatic cell nuclear transfer or cloning? That’s what Michael Fox was endorsing and which is being voted on in Missouri. Stem cell research is not at issue there. And the bulk of Rush’s comments had to do with putting up a sympathetic figure to prevent anyone from answering back. When we political ads are put forth in such a way as to prevent answering them, we’ve lost a measure of freedom.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 28, 2006 at 10:02 pm


But the point is, nobody is objecting to Rush ANSWERING him back. They objected to Rush (visual aids and all) mocking the illness of the person making the statements. Not the objections to the statements themselves. Which belies the point he was supposedly making. It would’ve worked better if the messenger had been treated respectfully. This does NOT mean as if he were right, or as if Rush agreed, and the actual message, solely, objected to, and then if people objected not to Rush’s objections, but claimed he shouldn’t be making them , he would’ve made the point.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 28, 2006 at 10:04 pm


So, lets try this again. Nobody said a thing about Rush disagreeing with Fox. Nobody said a thing about Rush talking about, even mocking Fox’s opinions and statements. People objected to Rush mocking FOX, himself, and an uneducated medical diagnoses (seems to be a theme, lately), and even imitating the movements associated with Fox’s illness. (Which, by the way, would still BE the movements of an illness even if Fox were making them due to not taking his medication. Which he WAS.)



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Kannbrown65

posted October 28, 2006 at 10:06 pm


Oh, and watched the ad. Fox didn’t say a thing about cloning OR somatic cell transfer. So, regardless of what the bill supports, Fox, himself, IN the commercial does not espouse support for that.



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HASH(0x933fd3c)

posted October 28, 2006 at 11:30 pm


David Kuo and others here want Christian leaders to denounce Rush Limbaugh for mocking Michael J Fox. They call it an attack. Reading Mr. Limbaugh’s website on this matter, he says he was not mocking Mr. Fox. He says he had seen Mr. Fox on the television show Boston Legal recently and had never seen him like he is in the ad. After watching the ad, he says he was stunned and began describing what he saw to his listening audience and acting it out. It is radio after all. Now who are the Christian leaders to believe? The Media and David Kuo who have judge Mr. Limbaugh’s motives and say he was mocking? Or Mr. Limbaugh who says that was not his intent?This is why Christians are not taught to judge the hearts and minds of others. We don’t have the ability. We don’t know what was in Mr. Limbaugh’s heart and mind apart from what he says.What if Christians judge and condemn Mr. Limbaugh for mocking Mr. Fox and find out later it was a false charge? Who would be guilty then?



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Kannbrown65

posted October 29, 2006 at 12:03 am


You mean.. or Rush, who was judging Michael J. Fox by claiming he was faking, or deliberately didn’t take his medication?Actually, its hardly a false charge. They have video and audio of exactly what Rush said and did. You may or may not be bothered by what he did, but there’s no doubt of WHAT Rush did. (Oh, and the explanation that he had to act it out for radio? Doesn’t really make sense.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F05T9cU8hxQ&mode=related&search=



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Kannbrown65

posted October 29, 2006 at 12:08 am


Oh, and he isn’t like he is in the ad because his scenes when he still does shows are very brief, and for very short periods of time, if he is well rested, he can use all his energy to control it.By the way, as the doctors stated, the movements are because of the medication, not the result of going off of it. At this stage of the progressive and terminal illness that Fox has, not taking his meds would result in his being stiff, almost immobile and have difficulty speaking at all.



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HASH(0x9340eac)

posted October 29, 2006 at 1:13 am


So Michael J Fox can, with medication, control his symptoms for very short periods and great effort, but he chose not to do so for this campaign ad.What do you think the purpose was behind that decision?I’m just asking, don’t assume I’m doing so with sinister motives.



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Kay

posted October 29, 2006 at 1:51 am


I heard Rush that day. He didn’t mock Mr. Fox. He was trying to describe what he was watching to the radio/webcam audience. Later rebroadcasts of the webcam video were speeded up to exaggerate his motions. Go to his site for the facts. In terms of cruelty, Mr. Fox’s assertions and misinformation on his commercial, as well as his later statements about this issue, are about as mean as you can get. Lying to sick people, lying about the cloning bill, and lying about the politics speak for themselves – this is beneath contempt. To then castigate Mr. Limbaugh, and call him cruel,for pointing out this hypocrisy, is to misunderstand the whole affair.



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Michele Self

posted October 29, 2006 at 2:05 am


Thank You, Very well written, stated, and explained, and I back you 100%, which doesn’t mean a hill of beans, but I hope you send all the supportive comments to Michael J. Fox. He has contributed, and continues to contribute a great deal to our society. If it weren’t for people like himself (and yourself also), we would not be as far advanced as we are in support networks throughout our country, and world, nor would we have as good of health care as we do now. Limbaugh was obviously, and most certainly intending to negate Fox’s energy, and dedicated hard work. What a shame, Limbaugh should be quite embarrassed, and ashamed himself to have broadcast any kind of negative gestures towards Fox.I, like yourself have a minor disability compared to that of Michael J. Fox. The condition I have is another mysterious affliction, which very few people or physicians understand or know about. I have Restless Legs Syndrome, and the drugs I take for it are some of the same ones used to treat Parkinson’s patients. This is even less debilitating than your problem, but the point is, we both know the psycholgical impairments it can present, the energy, and notority it demands to gain the attention of the world, to get the messages out effectively, and the ways in which to use proper media systems already inplace to enable powerful flow of communications. Getting information circulating, and educating the public simultaneously is partially what our strong nation is built from. There has proven to be very relevant issues, ideas, and facts surrounding these types of medical conditions. Without people like Michael J. Fox, how in God’s Creation have we already, or how are we in the future going to be able to continue making strides/advances in these most necessary health related areas??? Michele Self



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Kannbrown65

posted October 29, 2006 at 3:54 am


The purpose was likely the same reason you don’t see him on tv much anymore. (He mostly does voice overs now). He can’t do so as much anymore. Again, this is a progressive disease. He joked even that he was surprised by the fuss, because, from his experience, he was having a comparatively good day on his medication.And what, pray tell, is so sinister about a person who is, after all, talking about a disease they have, actually not using every ounce of energy they have to disguise the symptoms?



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Kannbrown65

posted October 29, 2006 at 3:58 am


Actually, his later statements about this issue were quite gracious. He didn’t insult Rush at all. He didn’t accuse him of politicking (which Rush is doing every bit, for his side, as anyone else. At least Fox was actually ON a political ad). He said only that it was likely quite hard for people who don’t have the illness to understand the scope of the symptoms. Given he’d been told he was lying (and sorry, when a person says another is acting, and its not specifically a performance, you’re saying they’re lying), that he was manipulating, was being diagnosed by Rush as exagerrating his movements, not taking his meds, etc.As for ‘lying about the bill’, how? He said that he thinks Stem Cell research will help find a cure for Parkinsons. That is an opinion. So its not a lie unless you think he doesn’t believe that. He didn’t MENTION cloning, if you think that is in the bill, so that’s not a lie either. And given he’s got the disease, and it will eventually kill him, I doubt he’s doing anything to be ‘mean’.I know its hard to believe, but its likely that he has a different opinion than yours, both about the efficacy and the morality of the bill in question.



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HASH(0x9346088)

posted October 29, 2006 at 6:13 am


You evilgelicals have blood on your hands: There is a particular danger with a war that God commands. What if God should lose? That is unthinkable to the evangelicals. They cannot accept the idea of second-guessing God, and he was the one who led them into war. Thus, in 2006, when two thirds of the American people told pollsters that the war in Iraq was a mistake, the third of those still standing behind it were mainly evangelicals (who make up about one third of the population). It was a faith-based certitude. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19590



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HASH(0x9347434)

posted October 29, 2006 at 6:19 am


You’ve killed over 600,000 and almost 3000 of our troops. Happy now?



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HASH(0x9348060)

posted October 29, 2006 at 6:20 am


Over 600,000 obliterated Iraqi, men woman and children…



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HASH(0x9348d8c)

posted October 29, 2006 at 10:22 am


If Gore had been president, we wouldn’t be in Iraq now. You things voted for a giggling murderer, twice. Blood on your hands, not mine.



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HASH(0x9349bcc)

posted October 29, 2006 at 10:56 am


Hey hey, whadda ya say? How many troops will you kill today?



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HASH(0x9349d1c)

posted October 29, 2006 at 11:41 am


Go ahead, get on up and get ready for church telling yourselves what nice people you are although you support this. Wasn’t Jayzus tortured?



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wordsmith

posted October 30, 2006 at 3:40 am


I also waited for the White House to take a stand and say that Limbaugh’s statements were beyond the pale. I guess I’m still waiting, though I would really love to see that I am wrong. David, with all due respect, I don’t see how the antics of a radio talk show host deserves a press statement from the White House. Did they come out with a statement on Rosie O’Donnell? Did Tony Snow hold a news conference with the White House Press to denounce the Dixie Chicks? No. These are not politicians. Let the pundits and their peers deal with them.



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Kannbrown65

posted October 30, 2006 at 5:00 am


Well, given this ‘radio talk show host’ has been a regular visitor to the White house, its perhaps a bit more reasonable that they might address what he said.



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Tom

posted October 30, 2006 at 6:11 am


Both are people and made by God for a perpose and I believe that Jesus would PRAY for them both.



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HASH(0x934d434)

posted October 30, 2006 at 11:24 am


Dick Cheney often appears on Limpball’s show.



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posted October 30, 2006 at 11:27 am

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posted October 30, 2006 at 11:29 am


Fundie Jayzus don’t need no stinkin’ praying.



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AskWhyNow

posted October 30, 2006 at 11:57 am


Turing human beings into medical products so rich people can hope for a cure of their diseases, is not exactly doing unto others the way we would like it done unto us. David Kuo has thrust himself into the role of “Christian leader.” He can denounce Rush all he wants. Embryonic stem-cell “product lines” . . . are extremely inappropriate for the person that values human life to support. Liberals should try to develope a conscience for once.Turning human life into medical products is wrong. Rush did the unthinkable by daring to challenge mighty Hollywood role models of the “anything goes” faith-based belief system.



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liz

posted October 30, 2006 at 2:41 pm


“Turning human life into medical products is wrong.” ——————— What do you call the creation of these blastocysts/embryos in the first place?



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GinnaRM

posted October 30, 2006 at 2:47 pm


Well, this Christian sympathizes with anyone who has a devastating health problem, but opening the door to legally harvesting human embroes is not the way to go.The Evil and the Ignorant will get pregnant just to sell their embroes. That is horrible. Mr. Fox needs to take a different route, one that is in keeping with God’s Will.



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Donna Miller

posted October 30, 2006 at 3:36 pm


There is a big difference between saying you are on the path and walking the path.



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AskWhyNow

posted October 30, 2006 at 5:34 pm


Too much evil on the Left. Too much. As they sow, so shall we all reap.



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eastcoastlady

posted October 30, 2006 at 5:44 pm


Mr. Fox needs to take a different route, one that is in keeping with God’s Will. So you presume to know G-d’s will, eh? And just how do you know it’s not G-d’s will that we use our knowledge and science to ease human suffering?



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eastcoastlady

posted October 30, 2006 at 5:46 pm


Liberals should try to develope a conscience for once. People who make comments like these should open their minds and hearts for once, and not resort to simple name calling against those with whom they disagree, for once!



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 30, 2006 at 6:13 pm


Mr. Fox needs to take a different route, one that is in keeping with God’s Will. … Too much evil on the Left. … Liberals should try to develope [sic] a conscience for once. … I am reminded of Dan Quayle’s old gaffe which is now an unintentionally sage quote: What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. To lose one’s mind, that is, to the mental illness of religiously-motivated intolerance and absolute closed-mindedness.



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posted October 30, 2006 at 6:19 pm


Casting aside the fundamentalist ideologues on this board, I hope Christians of genuine goodwill will take Mr. Kuo’s message to heart, and take an active, public stand against THOSE Christians who hate, and would have us to believe that God also hates, and THOSE Christians hate with God’s authority and approval. To remain silent, to look the other way is not an option of character, integrity, or genuine faith. Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. — Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 – 1968)



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted October 30, 2006 at 6:20 pm


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. — Martin Luther King Jr. ( 1929 – 1968 )



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Betty

posted October 30, 2006 at 7:44 pm


Rush’s name tells it all. His mouth rushes ahead of his brain. Making fun of any disability or mocking such shows his mentality, no compassion what so ever. I wonder how he would handle things if he were to be a victim of a disability. As others have stated, the meds MJF takes can cause the movements but without the meds he would not be able to move very much. It seems Rush has forgotten when he was found out about his pain addiction meds. The pot calling the pan black! Betty



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Kannbrown65

posted October 30, 2006 at 8:57 pm


Again, the comment was NOT about Fox’s stance. You can agree or disagree with what he said. What Kuo said to denounce wasn’t Rush’s disagreement with the issue. It was Rush’s treatment and characterizations, and accusations of Fox, himself. And its this inabilty to understand the difference between disagreeing with an issue, or policy, or statement, and demonizing (and given the last spurt of commentary, that word could be used more literally than usual) of the person making the statement, that really worries me.I can disagree with every issue Rush agrees with, all without bringing up looks, his recent drug problems (unless that directly links to the issue), his multiple marriages, etc.



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David

posted October 30, 2006 at 11:56 pm


The Christian Right in this country again show its true colors. It isn’t a movement about love or Grace. Its a political ideology that has convinced many that it is what Christ wanted when often it is as far from Christ as any other religion.



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Dave Sommers

posted November 1, 2006 at 2:20 am


Kuo:You are pathetic in your feigned consternation over “not finding” any attacks on Limbaugh by Mr. Dobson or Mr. Falwell.Consider this: Michael J. Fox shamlessly used his disease to stump for various Democratic candidates, and then admitted he NEVER READ the very cloning proposal (in Missouri)that he used to formulate his false hit piece ad.Let me ask you this: What if a candidate showed pictures of chopped up baby parts on a TV ad, and then claimed that if you vote for Democratic candidate So-and-so, there will be dead aborted babies all over the place.If that occurred, you and the Democratic-liberal media would be jumping up and down crying foul.No difference.Fox’s tirade against Republican candidates is simply another lame Democratic attempt to put up an advocate who makes bogus claims against someone, and then implies that person is beyond criticism due to having had something tragic happen to them.Cindy Sheehan comes to mind, as does the claim by Algore that Christopher Reeves would “walk again” if only the public would vote a Democrat into office. Dave Sommers Levittown, Pa.



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Rusty Becker

posted November 1, 2006 at 3:10 am


I completely agree with J-Walking. I don’t think most of you ever heard Rush the day of his comments or following days. Perhaps some of you should go to his web site and read the transcript of what was really said. He never put down Fox in a personal sense. He attacked the credibility of the claims of the ad. Most don’t take the time to read their Bible to see what it really says.(including a great number of “religious leaders”) They simply accept what somebody else says about it. I think it is the same way with Rush and his show.



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Pacific231Reloaded

posted November 1, 2006 at 3:57 pm


Psssst!With John Kerry’s botched joke on GWB, which unwittingly came across as offensive to soldiers, methinks the “Christians,” who were quiet as church mice after Rush’s and Coulter’s vile (and INTENTIONAL) remarks, will suddenly find their voice again. Hypocrasy on parade, folks!



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