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Gay Marriage Spreads. McCain Still Mum.

posted by dgilgoff

gaywedding.jpgTwo weeks after the California Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, The New York Times reports that New York State will begin recognizing gay marriages from California, Massachusetts, and other countries.
And because California, unlike Massachusetts, lacks a law preventing gay marriages granted there from being recognized elsewhere, other states may follow suit. At the very least, gay couples will return from wedding ceremonies in California to sue for legal recognition of their unions in their home states.
To the Christian Right, this is the nightmare scenario that it has spent the last few years arguing merits a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The movement is determined to make this an issue in 2008. How long can John McCain hold out on weighing in?


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Charles Cosimano

posted May 29, 2008 at 9:56 pm


He can hold off all the way to the White House. The Christian Right has a choice. They can vote for McCain and have gay marriage come gradually, or they can let Obama win and have it legislated overnight.



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An Honest Christian

posted May 29, 2008 at 10:11 pm


Or they can reject both options and demand representative government. We have allowed ourselves to be cheated of representative government: McCain did not get more than 1/3 (at highest estimates) of the votes–and that included Independents and Democrats cross-voting. He is unqualified to be President if he does not respect our Constitution. We have been cheated of representative government because news agencies intimidate us with bogus polls, and not for a moment will I consider giving in to their wishes. They want me to compromise and accept a candidate who has done everything he possibly can to steer our country to a welfare state.



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Donny

posted May 29, 2008 at 10:38 pm


Gay marriage has nothing to do with Christianity. It doesn’t exist anywhere in the canon of scripture. Rather than try to deny reprobates whatever they want to do to “themselves,” Christians should handle homosexuality issues in public schools they way that anti-Christians deal with religion: Sue the heck out of homosexual, bi-sexual and transgendered clubs when they try and recruit converts in public schools. Especially in this recruitment effort called “Questioning Youth.” In fact, this is how homosexuals treat those that try to “teach” homosexuals not to be homosexual. It is just as offensive for a Christian (and many others) to have to have their children indoctrinated into the “anything goes” behaviors of the GLBT world in public schools, as it is for people that scream and rant about religion in public places. It is far past time to push for a seperation of sexuality and state. There is no need to “teach” sexuality in public schools in any other way than what is biologically and physiologically sound. Whether evolutionary or just morality, homosexuality is not sound to be offered as a rational choice to be made. You can’t eat a hotdog through the eye sockets, any more than sexual intercourse can occur outside of male-female coupling. There is no such thing as homosexual sexual intercourse. It’s oxymoron through and through. Christians should sue for the public sphere to be free of sexuality that tramples on other peoples rights to be free from hearing about deviant and un-biological sexual practices. It’s a civil rights issue whose time has come.



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RJohnson64

posted May 30, 2008 at 9:06 am


I’m starting to think Donny protests too much on this issue. Could it be that you are a closet gay man, Donny? That you have dreams that you have pushed back into the recesses of your mind because of guilt? That you have incredible self hatred because of the feelings you have towards men?
Sounds to me like you have issues, Donny.



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Charles Cosimano

posted May 30, 2008 at 9:10 am


They can demand all they want but they ain’t gonna get it. As far as suing to stop the gays, good luck. There is no constitutional right not to hear something and the courts will just laugh at you. And then there will be the countersuits…



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted May 30, 2008 at 11:25 am


“Or they can reject both options and demand representative government.”
Hmmm, the representative government in California (the Legislature) voted twice to lift the ban on same-sex marriage. It is UN-Constitutional to deny gay Americans equal protections and equal treatment before the law. In fact, some States had to change their Constitutions to try to make same-sex marriages stop happening. If ya hafta change yer Constitution, then obviously these marriages were Constitutional to begin with.
RJohnson64,
Yes, Donny has issues (not to mention delusions). Plus, he can’t quite seem to stay on topic – jumping to how gay people are treated in public schools, lying to try to convince others that gay people “recruit”, or that homosexuality is a “choice”.
Ironically, his statement, “It is far past time to push for a seperation of sexuality and state.” actually upholds a very noble concept, much more eloquently stated by former Justice Minister (and later Prime Minister of Canada) Pierre Trudeau, who said that (yes indeed), “The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation.”
Donny seems to very much want to be in the bedrooms of gay people across the land. What does that tell you?
Equally ironically, his statement, “It’s a civil rights issue whose time has come.” is so true, but just not in the sense Donny intended.



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gmo2

posted May 30, 2008 at 12:10 pm


Well, a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage was tried before and it didn’t even get a majority of votes, let alone the two thirds needed and there’s even less support for it in Congress now. What would McCain weighing in do? Maybe he’s saving the issue for the general election. It worked before in 2004. Do you think it will work again? There’s no chance for such an amendment so it would really be just a callous attempt to get people to vote for McCain on the basis of this issue. It’s not really a federal issue…marriages have usually been a state decision…except for the fact that a number of states are saying it’s okay. There is no basis for banning gay marriage except that it offends the beliefs of some Christians…it doesn’t hurt heterosexual marriage. The biggest “hurt” to heterosexual marriage was the availability of divorce. Maybe this boat has not truly sailed yet, but the anchor is up and it’s starting to pull away from the dock.



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ShoshannaSue

posted May 31, 2008 at 7:59 am


Catholics used to perform gay unions in the olden days in Rome and then the Catholic church decided it was not acceptable for some reason. Homosexuality was not foreign to the Greek and Roman culture and was part of their orgies and after dinner enjoyment. Perhaps the Greeks or the Roman’s invented homosexuality, who knows? Homosexuality is not foreign to any population as it comprises at least 10% of the people. Your brother or sister may even be one and you may not even know it. Dick Chaney’s daughter is gay. What if she wanted to get married? Do you think he would oppose it? Bush tried to run his campaign on an anti-gay platform originally. Do you remember? Another way that the Administration lived a lie and tried to stuff it down the throats of the American People. Doesn’t it just want to make you throw up? Oey Vey!



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Blondie Writes

posted May 31, 2008 at 10:48 am


McCain is going to say something in the future that will be the wrong thing I suspect. He was close on Ellen. I enjoy writing the hot issues at http://www.gaylesbianlifestyle.today.com as well. I welcome your input.



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Donny

posted May 31, 2008 at 10:08 pm


Gotta love how demons debate: “I’m starting to think Donny protests too much on this issue. Could it be that you are a closet gay man, Donny? That you have dreams that you have pushed back into the recesses of your mind because of guilt? That you have incredible self hatred because of the feelings you have towards men?
Sounds to me like you have issues, Donny.
Posted by: RJohnson64 | May 30, 2008 9:06 AM
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Then I must be a bank robber too. I also don’t think mafia techniques for getting back deliquent loaned money is acceptable to the New Testament canon. So, I’m a made man too? Then again, it is not me that holds to the “anything goes” lifestyle as it is in the – uh hem – gay lifestyle. Or should I write gaylesbianlifestyle.today.com?
The Gay Agenda is as real as the democrat desire to tax the hell “into” everybody.
It’s fascinating to see Bible prophecy coming to light in such a modern day as this. The Devil is having his day . . .



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Donny

posted May 31, 2008 at 10:34 pm


Let’s rebut this nonsense, Posted by: recovering ex-Pentecostal | May 30, 2008 11:25 AM:
“Yes, Donny has issues (not to mention delusions). Plus, he can’t quite seem to stay on topic – jumping to how gay people are treated in public schools, lying to try to convince others that gay people ‘recruit’, or that homosexuality is a ‘choice’.”
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Hmmm, then why the need for “Questioning Youth” tagged onto the Gay Agenda in public schools? It’s what the Q means in GLBTQ. All children are questioning youth. Pure recruitement technique by the GLBTers. Creepy for sure. Time for a lawsuit there by decent parents everywhere. And violating the design of the human body “sexually” is quite the choice. Or, of course it could be rape as well. Which is it Ex-Pent?
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Ironically, his statement, “It is far past time to push for a seperation of sexuality and state.” actually upholds a very noble concept, much more eloquently stated by former Justice Minister (and later Prime Minister of Canada) Pierre Trudeau, who said that (yes indeed), “The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation.”
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But not like Canada. Notice the “age of consent” is tiny teens, of course. Nothing noble about pederasty. Any more, that is huh Ex-Pent?
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“Donny seems to very much want to be in the bedrooms of gay people across the land. What does that tell you?”
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Yet, it is the very words “Gay” and “Lesbian” that denote sexual tastes. How inhospitable to the stranger . . ., or to the person in the cubicle next to the gay or lesbian, that doesn’t see the need to wear sex acts on their sleeves. Literally.
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“Equally ironically, his statement, ‘It’s a civil rights issue whose time has come.’ is so true, but just not in the sense Donny intended”.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
That means, Ex-Pent, gays and lesbians et al, Christians are free to KEEP homosexuality a sin and inappropriate “for Christians.” Take note during the ENDA lawsuits and the grievances coming soon Congress via a Church harassed by Gay Activists (Soulforce and Co.) near you (in America).



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted June 4, 2008 at 10:54 am


Time was, here on Beliefnet, that when you called another poster a “demon”, you would get permanently banned.
Seems the religious right make exceptions for one of their own.



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted July 9, 2008 at 4:16 pm


Let’s rebut this nonsense Posted by: Donny | May 31, 2008 10:34 PM
“All children are questioning youth. Pure recruitement technique by the GLBTers. Creepy for sure.”
The only thing “creepy” is your unsteady grasp of reality, Donny. Yes, all youth are questioning, and for the vast majority of them, they will find that the answer to their question is that they are, indeed, heterosexual. But for others (the ones you don’t seem to care a fig for), the answer will be that they are gay. Or bisexual. Or (GASP!!! HORRORS!!!!!) possibly even transgender. No “recruitment” necessary – or possible – one either is or one is not. (Or, could you”Time for a lawsuit there by decent parents everywhere.”
Of course, in your ‘mind’, gay folk couldn’t possbly be “decent parents” (or parents at all). Delusional as usual, I see.
“And violating the design of the human body “sexually” is quite the choice. Or, of course it could be rape as well. Which is it Ex-Pent?”
I love it when people like you continue to liken our relationships to rape. I encourage you to do it as often as possible, because when thinking people read comments like that, they know that it isn’t true and you are perceived as being even less believable than usual. As for your idea of the “design of the human body” (and its supposed “violation”), I know enough heterosexual men who enjoy being on the receiving end of anal and oral intercourse to know that you haven’t the foggiest notion of which you speak. Of course, in your ‘mind’, the only possibility in our relationships is either a “violation” of some imagined “design” or “rape”. Real “Christian” of ya, Donny. Not.
“Notice the “age of consent” is tiny teens, of course.”
Although I pity your ignorance, I am still more than happy to educate you. It is 16 years of age (with some close-in-age exceptions, meaning 14- and 15-year-olds can have sex with someone who is less than five years older), as it is in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas (with some exceptions as low as 14), Connecticut (with some exceptions as low as 15), Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland. Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersy, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania (with some exceptions as low as
13), and Utah. Glad to have helped educate you. “Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge, the wings wherewith we fly to Heaven.” – Wm. Shakespeare
“it is the very words “Gay” and “Lesbian” that denote sexual tastes”
As if the word “straight” doesn’t. U 2 funnee. Sometimes.
“Christians are free to KEEP homosexuality a sin and inappropriate for Christians”
If America were a Christian nation, you might have a point, Donny. Besides, many Christian denominations disagree with you. (You must hate that. Almost as much as you seem to hate gay people.) Meanwhile, a whole lot of other “sinners” (actual rapists, murderers, thieves, slanderers, adulterers, embezzlers, child-molesters, etc.) are entirely free to marry, so long as it’s heterosexually. Odd that you pick and choose which “sinners” are acceptable for “marriage” in your particular branch of the body of Christ, Donny. Sure glad I don’t attend there. Too much singing of “Nearer to God Than thee”, methinks.
“Take note during the ENDA lawsuits and the grievances coming soon Congress via a Church harassed by Gay Activists (Soulforce and Co.) near you (in America).”
First you don’t want gays in your Church pews; now you don’t even want them to be able to hold jobs in America (ENDA). If any lawsuuits happen, you have only yourself to blame. Exclusion is not part of “whoseoever will may come”, much as you don’t like it.
Donny, it’s so (too) easy to refute your false musings. Keep ‘em coming. It reveals the real you so much more than you will ever understand. And I doubt it attracts many to the Christ.



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted July 9, 2008 at 4:20 pm


Missing from the 3rd paragraph…
(Or, could you



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