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Female Prophets in the OT: This Week in the Twible, 2 Kings 19 to 24

posted by Jana Riess

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“But there were female prophets in Old Testament times,” I insisted. I was in the middle of an uncomfortable conversation with a fellow Mormon who had just made the claim that all prophets had always been men.

“Well, no, not really,” he countered. “Women could be advisers, like to a king, but they were not true prophets. That is an ordained priesthood calling, and women don’t have the priesthood. Sometimes, women in the Bible were pressed into service when there wasn’t a priesthood holder available. Those were special circumstances.”

“Women don’t have the priesthood in our church today,” I sputtered. “You’re throwing today’s practice from one religion back on the Old Testament and claiming that things have always been the way they are now. The text itself does not support that view.”

So, for the record: Five women in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament are explicitly called prophets (though Jewish tradition also recognizes a few others): Miriam, Deborah (see related post), Huldah, Noadiah, and Isaiah’s unnamed wife. In the New Testament, only Anna gets this designation. Here’s how to recognize a prophetess:

1) They begin their pronouncements with “Thus saith the Lord.” That’s a major clue.

2) The text describes them with the word navi’a, the female form of the word navi, which means prophet or spokesperson. Literally, it is one who speaks for God. 

3) They recognize truth, e.g. Huldah verifying the authenticity of the Deuteronomy scroll discovered in the Jerusalem temple, or Anna verifying the identity of the baby Jesus.

4) They offer God’s revelation to an entire nation.

And in direct rebuttal of my interlocutor’s assertion that women were only pressed into prophetic service when there was no man around to do the job (!), look at Exhibit A this week. King Josiah specifically requested the prophetess Huldah even though other big-name male prophets, like Jeremiah, Habbakuk and Zephaniah, were also on the scene in Judah at the time. Harrumph.

Sat 9/11
#Twible 2 Kgs 19: Miracle rescue! G saves Judah from Assyrians & Jude can do no wrong. G’ll always bail us out… Right? Uh, not so fast.

Sun 9/12
#Twible 2 Kgs 20: Flashback 15 yrs earlier when G told a sick Hez that Judah’d be safe for 15 yrs. Which means. . .fasten yr seat belts!

Mon 9/13
#Twible 2 Kgs 21: Manasseh=Worst. King. Ever. Which is especially bad since he reigned for 55 yrs. Child sacrifice & the whole enchilada.

Tues 9/14
#Twible 2 Kgs 22: 621 BC. Reformer King Josiah: where’d I put that Deuteronomy scroll? This temple is so cluttered, I can’t find. . .Aha!

Wed 9/15
#Twible 2 Kgs 23: Pious Josiah uses Bk of Deut to remake Judah acc to G’s wishes. But prophetess Huldah says it’s too late. Debbie Downer!

Thurs 9/16
#Twible 2 Kgs 24: 587 BC, a date that shall live in infamy. Babylonians sack Jerusalem & raze temple. Where’s the comedy in Exile? Kgs ends.

Fri 9/17
#Twible overview of 1 Chronicles: 1 & 2 Chron a remedial OT overview in case u were sleeping. Pomo retread of same stories from other POVs.

Tune in to Flunking Sainthood every Friday for weekly Twible commentary.



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DMc

posted September 17, 2010 at 2:34 pm


What may factor into this argument is that some people, even women, have the gift of the ministering of Angels. Some may have a more direct route to that ministering than others who have that gift. It does not mean they are “The” prophet. Apostles are prophets but none of them are “The” prophet. A woman had the gift of calling up the dead and called up Samuel for Saul. Gifts are a part of us no matter what we do. Rasputin was able to heal a prince. I don’t think he was a priesthood holder.
Anybody can have access to more info than “The” prophet. Personal revelation is out there. Personal revelation can garner you respect from your contemporaries if it not only relates to you, because of the righteous desires of your heart, but also to other people; even nations. God is no respecter of persons.



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Matt

posted September 17, 2010 at 3:04 pm


Not surprising that ancient books written by men don’t reference female prophets. Although Jesus’s mom was visited by angels.



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Ben S

posted September 17, 2010 at 4:36 pm


The confusion arises because “prophet” today is (wrongly) thought to be equivalent to an office, that of “President of the Church.”
“Prophet” is not and never has been an office, it’s a gift of the spirit.



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EJ

posted August 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm


Greetings – love your blog,
had a thought – could anyone be made holier than by what the blood of Jesus does? If so,
then all born-again Christians are being perfected as saints.
Keeping it real,
EJ



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