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Daniel Larison has a February 11th/22nd Bahman post-mortem:

The case for real, sustained engagement with Tehran is more compelling now than it was before. Nothing has better demonstrated the lack of U.S. influence than the meaningless debate here at home over how best to aid the Green movement when the U.S. has no leverage and no means to help them. Cutting ourselves off from Iran has achieved none of our government’s goals, it has failed to alter the Iranian government’s behavior in the slightest, and it deprives the opposition of the political and economic oxygen that such movements need to flourish.

While everything Daniel says above is true, it should be noted that actual engagement has also achieved precisely nothing.


It’s time to accept that Iran is going to be a nuclear power. No one can fault the Obama Administration now for not having tried enough diplomacy. Sanctions against Iran are inevitable and will further isolate the country, further suppress the Green Revolution (sort of economic collateral damage) and do nothing materially to impede Iran’s progress towards nuclear capability.

Attacking Iran (as favored by the Palin/Pipes axis of Insanity), whether a limited an aerial campaign or a full-scale invasion larger than Iraq, is not going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear state. The only thing that might persuade it not to go nuke would be for two impossible events to occur: the US and the other nuclear powers sign a genuine non-hypocritical nuclear agreement (as per India’s concerns) and the Middle East become a truly nuclear-free zone, by concensus. As I said, this isn’t going to happen (and I’m not sure it should happen anyway, but my general skepticism of the Global Zero ideal is a topc for another day).

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posted February 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm

Iran’s president is evidently one of the demon-possessed kings of the east who start the Battle of Ar Mageddon.

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posted February 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm

I do pray there will be a total nuke free world someday! What often seems impossible can be made possible if enough of us work towards this goal with genuine hearts.

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posted February 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm

Things are a lot harder than they appear. The Iranian centrifuges are breaking down so fast that less than half are in operation. The current reactor fuel that Iran is producing is contaminated with molybedenum and other trace elements. The only nation that can take Iran’s contaminated yellowcake and make useable fuel rods for the medical reactor is France, and it would take the better part of a year for them. I doubt Iran can re-invent this process and put it into operation in any reasonable time.

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posted February 14, 2010 at 8:02 pm

Has anyone wondered why China and Russia stalling the process with Iran? They are all on the same side.

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posted February 14, 2010 at 11:36 pm

“Attacking Iran (as favored by the Palin/Pipes axis of Insanity), whether a limited an aerial campaign or a full-scale invasion larger than Iraq, is not going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear state.”
Really? Please explain. Because I believe if we were to kick their ass hard enough, and destroy their oil infrastructure, then keep an embargo in place, that they’d mostly starve to death rather than build nukes.
Iran broke the law: the UN and the non-proliferation treaty. They deserve to be made an example of.

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posted February 15, 2010 at 9:56 pm

it really amases me , how daft can this world be ,the americans[foreighn minister a wife ofa pervert], germany,france and italy[the latter 2 headed by 2 perverts], they are just out wantung to dominate the world, WHEN HAS IRAN EVER ATACKED ANY NEIGBOUR ORFOR THEMATERANY OTHER COUNTRY.was’nt it not these same countries which supported saddam against iran,,,, why do they notquestion the ZIONIST oppressor occuping PALESTINE ,,,,THE ZIONIST ARE THE ONLY TERRORIST INTHE MIDDLE EAST WHO HAVE N’bombs, AND HAVE THE RECORD OF USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THIS HYPOCRESCY STINKS,SO ITSBEST FOR THE USAAND ITSALLIES TO SHUTUP

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posted February 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm

I think attacking Iran would be a huge mistake. As for the goal of zero nukes, it is not going to happen. I have a friend who thinks any country that wants nukes should be able to have them because it is a “fairness issue.” That is just bonkers, in my opinion. We should endeavor to halt nuclear proliferation because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood that someone will use their nukes, and kill millions of people or even start WWIII.

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