LS: Most medical schools phased out the dog labs a lot sooner than the veterinary schools. To them it was like, why the heck are we killing a dog when we're going to practice on people? So the medical schools, most of them are quite advanced compared to us as far as finding alternative ways to teach physiology, cardiology, etc.

The veterinary schools are still working on this. They think that by killing this dog they really are going to learn something to help heal other dogs. I would have thought the veterinary schools would have phased this out decades ago. The first school to really start phasing things out was Tufts University, back in 1989. And here we are a decade later, and we're still working on this in many veterinary colleges around the world. It's very odd how we're taking longer than the medical schools on this.

MK: Do you have other plans for campaigns to change school policies?

LS: The third-year curriculum has some terminal surgeries. The second semester is large-animal surgery. They have surgery for goats, and they have terminal surgery for ponies. They have something like 30 goats and 12 ponies die every single year, so that students can learn how to do surgery on large animals. I don't want to learn how to do surgery that way. That's against the law in England. So that's the next step, finding alternatives for those terminal surgeries. Not necessarily taking them all away, because that won't happen in the next 10 years, but at least finding alternatives for students who don't want to do this.