Hannity: Should the government promote condom use, or does that send the wrong message to children? Comments made recently by Secretary of State Colin Powell to an MTV audience has renewed the debate over how sex should be taught to our children. Should abstinence be the focus of sex education? We're joined now by the president of Focus on the Family and the author of the new book, "Bringing up Boys," Dr. James Dobson. Had a chance to read it, Dr. Dobson. Great book. I mean that sincerely.
Dr. James Dobson: Oh, thank you.
Hannity: Very well done. And I have a young boy, I think, as you know, so it's very helpful. I got a lot out of it.
Dobson That's good to know.
Hannity: All right. Let's talk about Colin Powell. You heard his comments. Here's the secretary of state, which, by the way, seemed to be in conflict with President Bush's comments. What were your thoughts?
Dobson: Well, they're definitely in conflict with what the president has said, which is really interesting considering the fact that Colin Powell is a career soldier who has gotten where he got by following the position of the commander in chief.
Dobson: But we thought that the comments made by Secretary Powell were just irresponsible and, most of all, uninformed and egregious to us, and the reason is that--there are good reasons for that.
Hannity: Yes. You know, I find this a mixed message. I think, for kids, you've got to give a clear, unambiguous, straightforward message about where you stand, and like yourself, I think morality should be a part of that message. And if you tell kids, "Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. But if you do, do this or use this," it's a mixed message.
Hannity: It's a conflicting message.
Dobson: You know, Sean, the federal government has spent $3 billion in the last 30 years to promote this safe sex ideology, and it's been a disaster.
At the time they started, there were only two sexually transmitted diseases that were at an epidemic level, and there are now more than 20. One in three Americans over 10 years of age has a sexually transmitted disease.
And there was a report just 10 days ago in ``The Journal of the American Medical Association'' that said that the figures are actually much higher, that we have underestimated the problem here, and safe sex ideology has had a lot to do with it.
Colmes: Dr. Dobson, it's Alan. Good to have you back on the program. You know...
Dobson: Thank you, Alan.
Colmes: ... Ari Fleischer was asked about, you know, whether or not George W. Bush--President Bush agreed with Colin Powell, and here's what Ari Fleischer he had to say.
Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary: The president and the secretary are shoulder to shoulder on the importance of both abstinence education as well as health education and sex education as a way to prevent unwanted pregnancies and as a way to prevent the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
What the president has done and what Secretary Powell has long been involved in is highlight for the first time the importance of abstinence education.
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Colmes: It sounds to me, sir, they're in agreement.
Dobson: No, it sounds to me like they're in contradiction because you didn't hear Secretary Powell talking about two approaches, including abstinence.
You saw him stand there and promote condom usage on MTV, the channel that goes straight to the heart of the kids, and it contradicted what the president has said, and that raises questions as to what the policy of the White House really is. We really don't know.
Some--I'm actually kind of surprised that some conservatives are taking him to task, given the work he's done with his wife promoting the very thing that you believe should be in the forefront of our consciousness.
Dobson: Alan, if you look at the facts, if you look at this scientifically and not emotionally, you understand why there is great concern here, and this is something that has been suppressed by the press almost entirely.
Last July, a report was released that was produced by the Centers for Disease Control, NIH, and the Department of--one of the other departments--Health and Human Services, and this report--and I've got a copy of it here right in front of me--says scientific evidence on condom effectiveness for sexually transmitted disease prevention, and the bottom line from this is that there is no conclusive evidence that condoms prevent disease and gonorrhea, chlamydia, chancroid, syphilis, genital herpes, and HPV. There is no evidence at all that condoms prevent those diseases, and they are...