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Burn a Koran? What If It Were a Torah?

I am ambivalent about giving any additional attention to a hate-filled, fear-driven, religious leader like Pastor Terry Jones. Once the Gainesville, Florida minister is being covered by the New York Times however, it seems that coverage is assured. The only question which remains is what shall be the response?
Is it appropriate to simply right him off as a kook? Can we afford to stand silently by? The answers to those questions have nothing to do with how one feels about Islam in general, or about the proposed cultural center and mosque to be situated a few blocks from the site of the former World Trade Center.
Whether one opposes the mosque or not, this proposed Koran burning is obscene. Tragically and ironically, this is an expression of Christianity which parallels the parts of Islam which represent a genuine threat to the human race. I guess it’s an irony Pastor Jones misses, but reminds us all that it’s not the faith which kills; it’s the fanatical attachment to it.
Before deciding what you think is the appropriate response, think for a minute about the response you would hope for, if it were bibles that someone proposed to burn? What would be the appropriate response to a religious leader calling for the public burning of a Torah scroll?
We cannot call for a vocal response from Muslims when Muslims engage in hateful acts towards the followers of other faiths unless we, who cherish those other faiths, speak out when our religious leaders behave hatefully. Ultimately, this moment is not a test of Pastor Jones, but for the rest of us. I hope we pass. I guess we’ll see.

  • roman scapegoat

    most Christians are white trash racist

  • Dan Webster

    People of faith need to respond to people of hate and fear. Why not organize interfaith gatherings on 9/11 in your communities to break the Ramadan fast with our Muslim sisters and brothers. The God of Abraham would be especially proud of those who trace their religious heritage from Abraham to celebrate together.

  • Joe

    It would be even better if both Islam and Christianity could accept and respect the faiths of others, instead of believing that everyone must convert to THEIR faith before the world is redeemed…

  • JohnAb

    What would Jesus do? I agree with Dan and Joe’s comments.

  • romanscapegoat

    johnab…..Jesus would trash the jewish temple because their is no need for religion because of corruption tempted by power and greed. this is why the jewish high priest set up jesus to be killed. christians would kill jesus today if money and power were threatened to be taken away.

  • Aviel b’Meir

    I agree with you… For the life of me I do not understand the Idea of it we “Become Like Them” we somehow are Rightious in our actions.
    It seems to me that if we “Become Like Them” we no better than them.

  • g

    Seems like this Koran burning is less about the Koran and more about stabbing the Moslems right were it hurts, kind of like drawing pictures of the prophet.
    It appears that this is an angry ‘What are you going to do about it (racist expletive deleted)!’action.
    It is totally a hate-filled, angry in-your-face challenge to a group that is feared and hated by Christian-Americanism.
    Definitely not an action that remotely emulates the actions of the great Christian leader and example.
    And rabbi is so correct, what if it were Bibles and or Torahs.
    It is said the war carries with it the seeds of the next war. Well, hateful actions carry the seeds of the next hateful action.

  • Ronald Pies MD

    Burning the text of another religious faith? I am drawn to the words of
    Rav Abraham Isaac Kook:
    “The purely righteous do not complain about evil, rather they add justice. They do not complain about heresy, rather they add faith. They do not complain about ignorance, rather they add wisdom.”

  • Jackie

    To burn ANY book is outrageous, be it “Green Eggs & Ham” the “Holy Bible”, or the “Koran” People who would do this or be in agreement with the burnings are certainly not those who are true believers or followers of a gracious and loving God, no matter what our choice of worship style,which denomination or faith we choose to follow. We must “walk our talk” to be believed or emulated. My faith belief will not allow me to join those who would use anger, hate, or violence against those who are different. We, in Gainesville will be holding interfaith services on 9/10, praying for a non-violent response to this outrage.

  • David Cohen

    romanscapegoat is committing the old “Blood Libel’ that got so many Jews killed. It was actually the Romans who put Jesus to Death. Crucifixion was the usual way the Roman Authorities executed criminals. So-called Christians nned to stop perpetating hate-filled lies like Reverend Terry Jones.

  • roman scapegoat

    the Romans were used as scapegoats for the actions of greedy Jews

  • Jim

    Personally, I’m in favor of burning Korans, Torahs, Talmuds, Misnahs, and New Testaments. Toss in your Bhagavad Gitas and teachings of Confucius, too. Human beings make idols of holy books, reading them in ways that give them “right” to rule over others. I cannot believe that the Divine is author of any of them, and if there is any reason the Almighty allows them to exist, it is to recognize they are not GD’s word, and we need to turn to the real source, not the human books.

  • roman scapegoat

    why do jews have jew fro’s the same way italians do? Just like the slave owners in the south had sex with their property, the romans enjoyed the loose jew married women selling themselves for food.

  • Dr. Paul K. Fauteck

    How sad that so many see only the evil done in the name of religion, and refuse to see its civilizing effects, and tragic that a position articulated intelligently by Rabbi Hirschfield is answered with some hateful rantings.
    Moslem countries have their radical clerics, who hold too much power at present, just as bloodthirsty rulers of Christianity held too much power in Inquisition times. America also has its radical clerics; fortunately they don’t have much power, but they provide ammuniion to the Islamic fanatics who would like to destroy us.

  • roman scapegoat

    Dr.Paul Christians today kill in the name of capitalism. where did you go to become a doctor, walmart?

  • Ruth

    I think it is terrible to burn any prayer book. This country is phobic when it comes to faith. People do not even know what is in the Koran before they make judgement. As a Jew plenty of our books were burned. Kristalnacht for one. Shame on those who propogate hate.

  • Jack West

    God have mercy on Jim and roman scapegoat, I sure as hell don’t.

  • romanscapegoat

    jack west its a good thing for me god doesn’t think your important enough to ask what should be done with me.

  • Jack

    As I write, nearly two thousand protesters are gathered outside the location of the future mosque — some having stood in the rain for hours — providing a clear indication that the campaign to stop this project is intensifying. The pollsters tell us that nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the structure, yet its sponsors say the edifice will somehow promote “interfaith dialogue” and “mutual understanding.” They must certainly realize at this stage in the process that the mosque will do no such thing, but will instead act as a permanent provocation to a huge segment of Americans who deem it completely inappropriate — if not outright sacrilege.
    Let us remember that the project organizers themselves created this controversy by announcing that the groundbreaking would take place on the ten-year anniversary of the attack, and that the exact site was selected because of its proximity to Ground Zero. Given that fact, the current media meme that this is not a “Ground Zero mosque” is dishonest spin.
    Even more dishonest — and dangerous to this country — is the outrageously biased work in Time, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Newsweek, and on NPR, PBS, MSNBC and CNN that has consistently portrayed popular opposition to this mosque and several other mosques around the country as evidence of bigotry and so-called “Islamophobia.” This is mass libel by these media institutions.
    The mainstream media has deliberately ignored the fact that there is legitimate basis for fear of mosques — as it is a demonstrable fact that mosques and Muslims have been disproportionately connected to terrorism in this country and around the world, a fact that the media won’t report. Moreover, in the examples of opposition to specific mosques chosen by the media as evidence of popular “bigotry,” the media has selectively ignored the openly available evidence showing unambiguously that these mosques or their officials are connected to or supportive of the radical Muslim Brotherhood (the parent of al-Qaeda), Hamas, and other radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations.
    Why have these media institutions not investigated these ties? Why does the media investigate American charities that support settlements in the West Bank, but refuse to investigate the militant and terrorist ties to mosques and Islamic groups here at home?
    The imam heading up this $100 million project, Faisal Abdul Rauf, enjoys the full support of the sympathizing left-leaning media, and together they have attempted to frame this fight as a First Amendment issue. They’ve worked to cast the opponents of the project — including the 9/11 families — as bigots bent on denying “peaceful Muslims” the “right” to build a facility on their own property. All of this is sheer nonsense, because as many commentators already noted this week, the right to build the mosque was never in question — only the appropriateness of putting it near Ground Zero. It is simply not possible, and indeed quite dishonest, to characterize 70 percent of the population as bigots and “Islamophobes,” despite what the media would have us believe.
    As an American Muslim, I can say with confidence that most folks have no desire to trample our First Amendment rights, and have said so repeatedly. It is not even entirely clear to me that, were the Muslim developers of the mosque genuinely moderate, it would be so bitterly opposed. But then again, they probably would never have proposed such a thing in the first place.
    But how can anyone believe that Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his followers are moderates when they very deliberately refuse to condemn Hamas, a sworn enemy of this country and a major center of terror in the world? When asked directly to repudiate the group, all he could say was: “I am not a politician.”
    This is typical of the double-speak and evasive tactics employed by the prominent Muslim groups in America, an unmistakable red flag that something is wrong here.
    He’s also called this country an “accessory” to the 9/11 attacks, and has written that America is shariah (Muslim law) compliant. Forget all the rubbish about “interfaith dialogue” and “mutual understanding.” The ongoing battle over this site has already belied that charade. Abdul Rauf and his Islamic supporters — most of whom are affiliated with Muslim Brotherhood front groups — will never give this project up because there is too much at stake for him. If he manages to get the thing built, he will be one of the most powerful personalities in the Muslim world — radical, moderate, or otherwise. More importantly, the mosque will come to symbolize in the radical Muslim world the triumph of Bin Laden’s attack, and provide a kind of heavenly validation for his approach to spreading radical ideology. For what other reason could the tenth anniversary have been chosen for the groundbreaking?.
    It is not hard to see that this will only inspire more attacks. The logic will be: “If Allah gave us one miracle, maybe He’ll give us more.”
    If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical and moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell.
    What are people to think when they see a group of World Cup fans blown up in Uganda by Somali Muslim psychopaths? Closer to home, a U.S. Army Major shoots his fellow soldiers! What are they to make of a Pakistani national given U.S. citizenship just last year attempting to set off a car bomb in Times Square? And the self-taught “American” sheikh, Anwar al-Awlaki, who from his cave somewhere in Yemen calls on Muslims to murder Americans, and they listen?
    The underlying problem in this bitter controversy is that Muslims in America suffer a deserved trust deficit, wherein they are seen as a foreign and dangerous element. Perhaps if the $100 million being spent on this mosque were used to build, say, a hospital, this perception would begin to change.
    Abdur-Rahman Muhammad is a Washington, D.C.-based writer who was once the Imam of a mosque where he taught radical Muslim ideology. He has since renounced those views and works to combat Islamic extremism in the American Muslim community. He is a senior writer for the Association for the Study of African American Life and History (ASALH) and his work has appeared in numerous publications such as the Washington Afro American, the Philadelphia New Observer, and others. His work can be read at his popular blog A Singular Voice. He holds a BA degree in Philosophy from Howard University.

  • roman scapegoat

    the Jews in power laugh at how stupid Americans are to focus attention on useless drama while laws are past to benefit the rich. Obama is trying to open the eyes of the ignorant average income tea bagger types who blindly allow republicans to keep the rich rich….GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • Felecia Wadsworth

    I agree with Rabbi….
    I am saddened that anyone of faith would burn a Koran, Bible or Torah. It goes against the teachings of all three major religions. Whether you believe in a higher power or not, as an American respecting freedom of religion should be a major concern. Bystanders are just as guilty as perpitrators. We should all be Upstanders and stand up to bigots.

  • Henrietta22

    President Franklin Roosevelt in his address to our nation on Dec. 7, 1941, said, “There is nothing to fear but fear itself”. Great words. All the people standing out in the rain because of a Muslim Community Center two blocks from the World Trade Center destruction need to think of fear, and do something about getting rid of it. Fear destroys everything and leaves you unable to think rationally. It’s mass hysteria that they are a part of. Most of these people if they are Republicans are being told to be in fear of their leaders, and they follow like wind-up dolls. There is no reason not to build there, it has not been declared a cemetary, and if the Muslims don’t build how will these people direct NYC’s real estate, and decide what the New Yorkers can build there? Too silly. There are more important things to be concerned about. Even the Bible said, leave the dead and follow me. Do you all know who said that?

  • davidf15x

    Good grief–poor Brad is forever stuck in bad analogies. Burn a Koran? What if it was a Torah?
    A Torah scroll is a Torah scroll and a really bad book is simply a really bad book. So can someone burn a book? If it is his property–sure go right ahead–it is a free country. A copy of the Koran can be had for about $8–or even less. If is not worth the price.
    A Torah scroll that is kosher is worth about $25,000-$60,000–so who might burn something worth $25,000-60,000? I suppose if someone went out and burned a Torah scroll as a provocative act of anti-semitism–the larger Jewish community would simply decry the loss and the idiocy of the perpetrator. But if some guy wants to burn a cheap $5-8 book–what is the problem? I suppose the fact that a Torah scroll is worth about $40,000 and a copy of the Koran hardly is worth the paper it is printed adequately summarizes the contrast.
    Brad can never define his terms or debate any issue.

  • roman scapgoat

    davidf15x do Jews ever not think of capitalism?

  • davidf15x

    Capitalism? Huh?
    The fact that a Torah scroll has inherent value and a Koran does not is relevant–this would not be capitalism, this would be common sense. To observe that things in a dump are inherently not valuable is not a capitalist calculation–it is an accurate observation.
    Brad is dealing in false moral equivalencies–a favored tool of leftists and it is a fool’s game. He is not making an argument, an observation or a point. He is merely masticating. It is an easy game–again–trash is flushed down a toilet–“would you flush a diamond ring down a toilet??” No, because there is a difference between trash and a diamond ring. A terrorist is shot and killed–“well, would you shoot and kill an innocent baby?” no–that is because there would be a difference between a murderer and an innocent. Must we empty our minds of all logical and intelligent thought to deal with liberals?

  • paula

    davidf15x , talk about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing!

  • davidf15x

    Paula, that is right. What is it that we value? Precisely. At least someone gets it. You echo my sentiments exactly–between a “price” and inherent value: the trick is not confusing the two and calling them the same as Brad has done. You have stumbled into the truth–even by accident.
    This is the false equivalence of the left–PETA says a a dog is a pig is a horse is a cow is a person. We honor the “religious faith” of Wiccans as we honor the religious faith of Jews. We honor the mere, tiny fact that someone somewhere is willing to put a price tag on anything and we are duped into believing the price is the same. Go to Beliefnet–what is your faith?–they are all the same–that is to say they all have the same tag price.
    But the VALUE is surely not the same.

  • Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light


    Joe says:
    It would be even better if both Islam and Christianity could accept and respect the faiths of others, instead of believing that everyone must convert to THEIR faith before the world is redeemed…
    Mr. Incredible asks:
    Then, you don’t subscribe to what Christ says in John 14:6, huh?

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  • roman scapegoat

    hey dumbass….what that means is Jesus and god are one that doesn’t mean you have to be christian to have a relationship with god. jeshua came to free the Jews from the corrupt Jewish religion. the jew religion says god was with man and then left and you have to follow the religion to have god come back to you. pure evil created by man, lies to control eachother……GOD NEVER LEFT JUST TALK TO HIM…. the romans kept the evil growing when they created christianity…

  • Dana

    I get it roman scapegoat, you just totally nuts aren’t you. Perhaps you should get something I’d like to call “a life”

  • Phil

    Rabbi Brad,
    I have a simple question for you.
    Is Hamas an terrorist organization according to you? A Yes or a No will suffice.

  • roman scapegoat

    was Hitler a terrorist.. was he christian? Did george bush commit terrorist acts??? Was george bush christian? were the churches that supported george bushes lies to go to war terrorist supporters???? were these churches christian? what about Vietnam? were the christian politicians who had thousands of americans killed in the name of capitalism committing a terrorist act? The christian acts of terrorism goes on and on. christians have killed more people in this world than any other religion!!!!!!!!

  • roman scapegoat

    dana what color are your panties

  • Monk21

    The sign in the picture says Islam is of the devil.
    I say that hate is of the devil, no matter where it comes from.

  • Monk21

    Roman Scapegoat;
    Sorry, but did your mother not love you?

  • roman scapegoat

    its all meaningless drama to give the average income americans a reason to vote republican to free the banks and corporations from any laws that remind that being rich is a privilege not a right.

  • withyobadself

    Obama is bring peace to Israel…the space people who are really Lucifer and his fallen angels…will land in Israel soon…Obama is a fallen angel spirit put into a baby taken from its mothers stomach by space people…

  • withyobadself

    Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate…Obama is one of lucifer’s fallen angels…the space people are really Lucifer and his fallen angels…space people have been taking unborn babies from women and putting in fallen angel souls…they live among you…

  • Randy

    This is what Maimonides himself had to say (ca. 1200) after he had to run for his life from the tolerant Al Andalus:
    You write that the rebel leader in Yemen decreed compulsory apostasy for the Jews by forcing the Jewish inhabitants of all the places he had subdued to desert the Jewish religion just as the Berbers had compelled them to do in Maghreb. Verily, this news has broken our backs and has astounded and dumbfounded the whole of our community. And rightly so. For these are evil tidings. . . . Indeed our hearts are weakened, our minds are confused, and the powers of the body wasted because of the dire misfortunes which brought religious persecutions upon us from the two ends of the world, the East and the West.
    Remember, my coreligionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins, God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us.. . . Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase .and hate us as much as they. . . . Although we were dishonored by them beyond human endurance, and had to put up with their fabrications, yet we behave like him who is depicted by the inspired writer, “But I am as a deaf man, I hear not, and I am as a dumb man that openeth not his mouth” (Psalm 38: 14). Similarly our sages instructed us to bear the prevarications and preposterousness of Ishmael in silence. . . . We have acquiesced, both old and young, to inure ourselves to humiliation, as Isaiah instructed us, “I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair” (50 :6). All this notwithstanding, we do not escape this continued maltreatment which well nigh crushes us. No matter how we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition, as David predicted. “I am all peace, but when I speak, they are for war” (Ps. 120:7)
    May God, Who created the world with the attributes of mercy, grant us the privilege to behold the return of the exiles to the portion of His inheritance, to contemplate the graciousness of the Lord and to visit early in His Temple. May He take us out from the Valley of the Shadow of Death wherein He put us. May He remove darkness from our eyes, and gloom from our hearts. May He fulfill in our days as well as yours the prophecy contained in the verse, “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light” (Isaiah 9: 1). . . . Peace, peace, as the light that shines and much peace until the moon be no more. Amen.
    Moses b. Maimon (Maimonides)

  • Randy

    I just want to say again that when it comes to Islam, look at how little, at bottom, separates the neocons (right-liberals) from the left-liberals. They both believe that Islam is a religion like other religions and can be assimilated to the tolerant liberal society. Compared to this commonality, the differences between them (the neocons believe that there is one small part of Islam that is bad, the left-liberals believe that there are no parts of Islam that are bad) are minor.
    Now to my point. Just today I was saying to a friend, how can the aggressive defenders of the Ground Zero mosque hold that position? And the answer was that they hold it on the basis that Islam is just a religion like other religions. Therefore to expect the Muslims to move the mosque, is unacceptable.
    But then the question became: HOW, given the facts about Islam–which are not secret, not esoteric, not unavailable to ordinary people, but a part of the common knowledge of the world for over a thousand years–NOT be known by so many Westerners today? How can they believe the very opposite of the truth to be the truth?
    Now, I myself have gone pretty far in getting at the psychology of liberals and how they excuse Islam, but even I do not know the ultimate answer to that question. To find the answer, I would have to have a long, one-on-one conversation with a liberal about Islam. I would have to lay out the facts for him about Islam, and then let him raise every argument he has against those facts, and then I would have to show him, one by one, why those arguments were wrong. And then, at the end of this laborious process, when I had refuted every one of his false positions by which he defended Islam, and he had no reasonable excuse to go on defending Islam, and he would nevertheless go on defending it, at that point I might–might–come to understand what drove him to believe the gross illusions he believes.

  • romanscapegoat

    randy.. you either make 250,000 or more or a brainwashed average income American who focuses on drama invented by the republicans in office. Gay anal sex, Muslims, abortion, believing you are righteous and are going to heaven for being christian and all others are going to hell. Laws are constantly being passed to benefit the rich while average income Americans focus on entertaining drama. WAKE UP ZAOMBIES!!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Phoebe

    I hope Homeland Security tracks down Roman Scapegoat. This is a dangerous person. Very evil!!

  • roman scapegoat

    phoebe you must be a Jew related to Judas so go find a tree and some rope Lucifer’s coming.

  • roman scapegoat

    The Jewish own media is targeting Obama with negative propaganda to stop the average income Americans from realizing laws passed to protect the average from greed and evil acts created by unregulated golden calf worshiping [just like when mosses freed the Jews]turning against god, using god for profit corporations and banks. The economy is deliberately being kept down by those in power, Jews of course,want Obama out . The banks and those in power of the economy are waiting for Republicans to take back the white house before allowing capitalism to blossom with average income republican voters who are blinded with guilt and shame by the republican fundamentals, the rich comes first then money is shitted and trickled down to the peasants

  • Eric K

    For better or for worse, the Pentecostal pastor sure got the attention of the world. Hillary Clinton, Gen. Petraeus, the Vatican and even Angelina Jolie were outraged at Terry Jones’s plan to burn Korans outside a church in Florida.
    However, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, who supports the right of Muslims to build a mosque near Ground Zero, exhibited a consistency in understanding our laws by backing the position of the extremist pastor.
    “I don’t think he would like it if somebody burned a book in his religion that he thinks is holy. … But the First Amendment protects everybody and you can’t say we’re going to apply the First Amendment in only those cases where we are in agreement,” Bloomberg said.
    Burning a holy book like the Koran is radical; yet, the American Constitution provides for the free exercise of religion in belief and worship. Pastor Jones of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center says he’s doing it because:
    “We feel it’s maybe the right time for America to stand up. How long are we going to bow down? How long are we going to be controlled by the terrorists, by radical Islam?”
    Just like the argument over building the Park 51 mosque in New York has raised the question of propriety as opposed to legality, the desecration of a religious document shows a lack of sensitivity to those who are offended. That doesn’t give the offended parties the right to retaliate with violence.
    Gen. Petraeus expressed concern because he believes violence will in fact occur:
    “It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort,” Gen. Petraeus said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. “It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”
    Are Clinton and the others more concerned with being politically correct or are they justified in assuming terrible consequences could ensue? Whatever the answer, those who oppose the conflagration of Islamic texts don’t have a legal precedent to stand on. They also can’t erase a long list of anti-Christian activities which have all but gone unnoticed by leftist national media.
    In Afghanistan last year, Christian U.S. Army troops engaged in proselytizing the Afghan people by attempting to hand out Bibles written in their native language. The soldiers were stopped, and the copies of the Bible were burned. According to Politico:
    Christian Broadcasting’s David Brody says “the Bibles were burned because the rules on the base say that all garbage is burned at the end of the day. But just asking here; if the U.S. Military seized a stack full of Korans, would they be burned? You think that might cause a little outrage in the Muslim world?”
    President Obama when giving a speech at Georgetown University, a Catholic institution, had all images and symbols of Jesus Christ covered so as not to show up in his video frame.
    “In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage,” Julie Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications at Georgetown, told”
    Muslims burning down Catholic churches in Sudan and Nigeria is commonplace according to African priests who visited my parish this past year. One of the priests said the people had just built themselves a new church, and worshipped in it for a few months before it was leveled. Where is the Vatican’s outrage on these horrendous crimes?
    So, the issue has nothing to do with whether someone should be allowed to burn a sacred text, but it has everything to do with the group you are offending. If you’re Christian, you can forget the powerful elites coming to your aid when your church is trashed or your crucifixes are covered up. Apparently, in present day America, all religions are not equal; as a matter of fact, the scales are tipping toward Mecca.

  • Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the ONLY Way to the Father

    romanscapegoat says:
    Mr. Incredible asks:
    Hey, what about the zombies??!!


    @ERIK K- I hear ya and I’m praying and watching

  • Ant C.

    Right now they’re burning American flags in the Middle East because they burned all the bible earlier, and won’t let any bibles into Muslim countries. You have love the irony of protesting the burning of Korans by burning bible and American flags.

  • frank

    ant.c …then how about you go join the military and you go kill instead of sitting on your couch getting fatter and fatter and fatter and fatter and fatter. Americans are the fattest people in the world..I’m sure the jews considered a human meat industry. Jews are always trying to make money even off of cannibalism.

  • Mike Metcalf

    I find it funny that many people consider Rabbi Brad to be a liberal. If these people had ever bothered to find out about him they would discover that he is in fact a moderate conservative. As a liberal I have no problem with this, in fact I appreciate hearing the views of an intelligent person who is sometimes of a differing opinion than my own. Religious tolerance should be considered neither liberal or conservative, just intelligent and compassionate (two attributes that also should not be considered liberal or conservative).
    I wholeheartedly recommend Rabbi Brad’s book, “You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right”. Well worth seeking out.

  • Larry

    Why Jones is burning a Koran,
    From the website of Terry Jones’s Dove World Outreach Center, an article dated September 2 on “Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran.” And here is a follow-up: “Five More Reasons to Burn the Koran.”
    At the very least, one must say that Jones’s planned act is not mindless. He is performing a certain act, and he has laid out his reasons for performing it. His reasons are that Islam is anti-Christ, anti the West, anti liberty, and anti human decency. His view is that Islam is a danger to everything we cherish and everything we are. By burning a Koran, he is expressing his complete rejection of Islam, and causing other people to think about why he is rejecting Islam. Since I myself believe that Islam does not belong in the West, how can I condemn a man who is expressing the same idea through a strong symbolic act? An act that is not illegal and is not harming anyone. An act that will force people to think—is Islam the enemy of ourselves and of everything we cherish, or not? Does Islam belong among us, or not?
    People are saying that the Koran burning will cause Muslims to kill innocent people. Perhaps it will. But the Danish cartoons caused Muslims to kill innocent people. Islam demands aggressive war against non-Muslims, including the killing of innocents, because from the Muslim point of view there is no such thing as an innocent non-Muslim. The clearest and most frequently repeated message of the Koran, appearing on almost every page, is that all non-Muslims are guilty of the monstrous crime of rejecting Allah, and deserve death and eternal torture. Why should we respect such a book? Why should we respect such a religion? Sooner or later, people in the West (and people in the non-Muslim world generally) must come to recognize the nature and teachings of Islam. They can have that recognition sooner, and prevent much violence, or they can have that recognition much later, only after Muslims have gained substantial power over our societies and get in a position to harm anyone who opposes them. My view is: the sooner the truth comes out, the better; the sooner things come to a head, the safer we will be.

  • roman scapegoat

    larry.I wouldn’t worry the Christians are the best killers in the world. the Christians will always kill better then anyone else…. may god bless you all and teach everyone of you how to kill best…freakin dumbasses

  • Hector

    You’re off by a few centuries, roman scapegoat (or, should I call you by the name with which you closed your last post?)

  • JerryB

    I’m Jewish and here’s my answer: It would all depend on WHO burned it? If a Palestinian teenager burned a Torah it wouldn’t really bother me at all.
    However if the General Secretary of the UN burned a Torah, and all the representatives of the assembly applauded, then I’d be a little worried.

  • Serial

    Respect to the author of original work. I am want to say thanks for interesting post, and thanks to google for perfect blog search.

  • roman scapegoat

    hector or sometimes mister incredible,everytime america has gone to war, christians have proven to be the best killers…..

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  • frank burns

    The Torah says that the Jews are supposed to steal their Promised Land, slaying the inhabitants to get it.

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