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Struggle Over Proposed Mosque In Staten Island

posted by Brad Hirschfield

A group called the Muslim American Society wants to build a mosque on the grounds of an old convent in Staten Island, New York. Having purchased the building from the church, they went before a packed community meeting last night to discuss their plans. It wasn’t pretty.
Issues like this can bring out either the best or the worst in our communities. In this case, it is definitely the worst. Though, as is often the case, whether best or worst, whatever comes out reflects real issues in the communities involves.
In this case that means that as TV cameras rolled, people got to watch a rage-filled, deeply Islamaphobic group of Christians and Jews challenge a less than transparent and overly defensive group of Muslims. In short, everybody behaved as if they had been sent over from central casting to participate in a show called “people behaving badly in the name of God”.
I think the most troubling words came from one participant in last night’s shout-fest, Bill Owens, who declared, “This is our D-Day“. D-Day, Mr. Owens? Do you actually want to compare the struggle over whether or not a mosque gets built to the allied invasion of Europe and the long, bloody process of beating the Nazis? Do you really think this is a war, and if so, at that level?
The tragic irony is that such language is not all that different from the jihadist language which frames every communal and cultural struggle and a violent war against and all people who differ from the jihadists. The old adage is true – the longer one fights against an enemy, the more alike they become.



  • Hector

    > “people got to watch a rage-filled, deeply Islamaphobic group of Christians and Jews challenge …”
    How can you tell they were Islamophobic? Maybe they were just ExtremeIslam-ophobic.
    Or maybe some of them know a bit about this Feisal Abdul Rauf character, who says, “I Don’t Believe In Religious Dialogue”:
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/202634.php

  • Gail Hirschfield

    I saw that when this group of Muslims were asked if they backed Hamas, many of them shouted YES…just sayin’

  • Gail Hirschfield

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ61Ao-r-aw
    As you see here, this group of Muslims has in the past supported Hamas. I believe from looking at this newsclip that these horrified citizens were anything but rabid Islamophobes…as the poster said above, they were against radical Islamists building a mosque here, as is their responsibility to their community, themselves, their children to stand up and be against…having radical Islamists get a foot-hold in their neighborhood. I see this editorial as clearly one-sided. Let’s look at the real issues here…

  • withyobadself

    why does religion seperate people from eachother? why does religion say its ok to kill for land and governments? why does religion say you are not able to talk to god unless you follow rules first? why would god allow man to make religions that does more harm than good? i want to ask him but first i have to pick a religion follow thier traditions and give my life to this religion then maybe just maybe i will be able to speak to god….no i think ill just say screw religions and learn to love eachother like one loves his family . learn to stop worrying about my death and trust god will take care of me.

  • Frank

    withyobadself wrote: “no i think ill just say screw religions and learn to love each other like one loves his family”
    Based on your last six or so posts, withyobadself, I feel I can honestly suggest, “why not start with yourself?”

  • Kauko

    Hector, this story is not about the Islamic center to built near Ground Zero, the mosque in this story is going to be built on Staten Island, so what does you link have to do with it?
    Gail Hirschfield, what does the fact the some of the muslims support Hamas have to do anything? Does that mean that, as a gay man, I should protest the building of a conservative Christian church in my area because they endorse anti-gay sentiment? Should people who are anti-Israel protest building a synagogue in their area that has members who support Israel? This is a free country, people have to right to hold their opinions and support whatever group they want and practice their religion whatever other people may think about it.

  • Hector

    Sorry guys. Kauko pointed out (nice and politely, I might add) that I missed an important detail.

  • Hector

    Now I will try to politely ask Kauko how he can compare anti-gay sentiment to a pro-Hamas sentiment. (Sorry Gail H. for preempting your response.)

  • Eric K

    I think this guy has got it right
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWTxAkkWSc&feature=player_embedded
    What do you think?

  • Kauko

    My point was more that buildings for groups with religious/ ideological beliefs with which people don’t agree go up all of the time we don’t have a right to tell other people that can’t build their church/temple/mosque/synagogue/whatever just because we don’t like what they believe. To revisit one of my examples, many people (including non-muslim people) sincerely believe that the entire existance of the state of Israel is unacceptable and that the State of Israel is guilty of apartheid like policies, illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, war crimes/ crimes against humanity and that Zionism is a racist ideology etc etc (I’m not saying that I believe all this, just that there are people here in American who do). If a synagogue was going to built in your area would you think that people who believe all the stuff I just mentioned would have the right to stop it from being from built because there will be members of the synagogue who support Israel?

  • ChristopherL

    Brad,
    Opposing Islam is not irrational, and using your “logic”, Jews were Naziophobic for speaking out against Nazism. As you are a Jewish man, I would like to ask you which is your favorite part of Islam?
    The part that calls for your domiance, and extortion?
    009.029
    YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
    Or the part that tells Muslims that they have to fight and kill Jews, to reach judgement day?
    Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
    If interfaith dialouge is the answer, why is Islam taking over more and more of the world? You are only wasting time.
    http://loganswarning.com/

  • ChristopherL

    Brad said…..
    “The old adage is true – the longer one fights against an enemy, the more alike they become.”
    Really, so the countries that made up the Allied Forces, became like the Nazis? Please point out who is against the Mosque, that is trying to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all.

  • withyobadself

    so when did the jews decide you didnt have to slaughter a lamb before you can talk to god??? what do the jews say you have to do to be allowed to talk to god?? cause of course the jews feel they only own god.well dont feel bad the christians believe they only own god too. i like how the catholics say you have tell your business to a priest before you can talk to god. why would god need religion? religion is the unnecessary middle man created by thieves..

  • Leanna Wilson

    It is really asking a lot for the people of New York City to accept a Mosque. Even now it is hard for me to think back on that day of 9/11. My nose was not filled with the smells or screams of death, or the one on one personal loss that was suffered by the citizens of New York City, I remember that day still with a ridged stiffening fear of knowing that war was at our door steps. I remember going out to shop for whatever I might need in the coming days ahead. Everyone seemed to have the same motivation and that same numb sense of direction. No one spoke and every where you looked faces were dead. No smiles, No greetings, just straight ahead looks. People were spending money on water, paper towels, canned foods, anything that they could get their hands on before the possibility of getting them diminished. People ran their credit cards to their limits in order for what lay ahead for our nation. These memories are still embedded in my mind without the sense of smell or hearing the screams to color my recall of events. They have never really been buried and forgotten. Nor have they been given the opportunity to be with all the continued threats that do not stop. The Muslim communities are growing tremendously throughout our country, not to mention Europe and they want us to forget and treat them with respect. But the grief is too great and it is too soon to expect the people of this country and especially, New Yorker’s to not respond without a volatile attitude.
    Yes, this is the land of the free and freedom of religion is one of our most cherished freedoms but our faith does not encourage terrorism nor does it reward such behavior. War is not something we go into lightly nor do we continue it any longer than is needed. We love peace and would much rather choose it over war any day but the Muslim community is really pushing it to think we have forgotten what their fellow brethren did and continue to do all over the world to force their beliefs on peaceable people. They are coming into our nation and setting up far too many sites of supposed religious communities. It is not what was intended by our fore fathers I am sure!! Something has to change, someone has to stand up and say no more. We need to be cautious and rightly so since they can not keep their members from committing these violent acts of terror in the name of their religious father. Until they desist from these actions their trust worthiness is and will continue to be in question. We should not welcome with open arms someone who is intent on killing us. It just makes no sense. America needs to wake up and do something about it or we will not have any freedom left.

  • withyobadself

    frank i love myself three times a day.. if anyone says they dont do that they are a liar..

  • Bonnie

    The occupants of Staten Island should be ashamed of themeselves. This the US, not the foreign shores where conflicts over just such contentions are taking place. Maybe they should be reminded of their Constitution and the fact that this country has no established, presribed religion. The Founding Fathers and writers kept it this way in their learned foresight so that all who live here enjoy the rights and freedoms prescribed in the Articles therein. Truly, shame on Staten Island.

  • Jen

    @ Leanna: it’s too bad the Native Americans did not think like you. Our forefathers waged war to take this land, in the name of religious freedom. Judaism and Christianity started off small, have spread to the darkest corners of the earth, and have been part of or instigators of war every step of the way. Islam is growing in popularity, it is spreading, and world wide we are persecuting the masses because of their fundamentalist minority. Americans need to educate themselves, stop fear mongering, and learn how to work together to stop terrorism. Otherwise, history keeps pumping out new versions of ancient wars.

  • Pamela Geller

    Rabbi, what do you know of the Muslim Brotherhood? What do you know of MAS? Your condescension with so little knowledge speaks volumes about your level of intellect and pursuit of truth.
    The Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamic supremacist organization who objectives.
    Rabbi, first learn everything, then open your mouth.
    We are not tacists and bigots, we are freedom lovers.
    From Discover the Networks:
    * Supports imposition of Shari’a law
    * Approves of terrorism against Israel and the West
    Founded in 1928 by the Egyptian activist Hasan al-Banna, the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood is one of the oldest, largest and most influential Islamist organizations. Egypt has historically been the center of the Brotherhood’s operations, though the group maintains offshoots throughout the Arab-Muslim world — including in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, the Palestinian territories (Hamas), Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Sudan — and is also active in the United States and Europe. Islam expert Robert Spencer has called the Muslim Brotherhood “the parent organization of Hamas and al Qaeda.”
    The Brotherhood was founded in accordance with al-Banna’s proclamation that Islam be “given hegemony over all matters of life.” Accordingly, the Brotherhood seeks to establish an Islamic Caliphate spanning the entire Muslim world. It also aspires to make Islamic (Shari’a) law the sole basis of jurisprudence and governance. Toward this purpose — encapsulated in the Brotherhood’s militant credo: “God is our objective, the Koran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, struggle is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations” — the Brotherhood since its founding has supported the use of armed struggle, or jihad. The Brotherhood supports the waging of jihad against non-Muslim “infidels,” and has expressed support for terrorism against Israel, whose legitimacy the Brotherhood does not recognize, and against the West, particularly the United States.
    In the 1930s, the Brotherhood was largely an underground organization. Paramilitary in nature, it stockpiled weapons and operated clandestine camps that provided instruction in military and terrorist tactics. In part due to its call for a return to traditionalist Islamic values, and in part because of the unpopularity of the Egyptian monarchy, the Brotherhood’s membership swelled throughout the Thirties, with some scholars placing its net membership at a half a million.
    In the 1940s, the Brotherhood became more assertive in challenging Egypt’s ruling authorities. As a result, the government, under the direction of Prime Minister Mahmoud Fahmi Nuqrashi, forcibly dissolved the organization in 1948. In response, a Brotherhood member assassinated Nuqrashi. The government retaliated shortly thereafter: In 1949, Hasan al-Banna was killed by Egyptian police forces in Cairo and an official crackdown was launched against the Brotherhood. Thousands of members were imprisoned and many others were confined to detention camps.
    With Gamal Abdel Nasser’s revolutionary seizure of power in 1954, the Brotherhood split into two factions. One, led by Hasan al-Hudaybi, favored working with the government to gradually move the country toward Islam. A more radical faction, led by the writer and ideologue Sayyid Qutb, advocated armed revolution against corrupt Middle Eastern regimes and more broadly against unbelievers in the Western world. Dividing the world into the “Party of Allah and the Party of Satan,” Qutb declared that Egyptian society under Nasser was contrary to Islam, that it would have been opposed by the Prophet Muhammad, and that Muslims therefore had both a right and an obligation to resist it. A direct challenge to the views of mainstream Sunni theologians, who extolled the Islamic tradition of deference to the state and ruler, Qutb’s writings are now cited by many scholars as one of the first formulations of political Islam. A corollary of Qutb’s fundamentalist critique of Egyptian society was his abiding contempt for Western society, especially the United States, which he regarded as spiritually vacant, decadent, idolatrous and fundamentally hostile to Islamic piety. Executed in 1966 on charges of plotting to overthrow the Egyptian Government, Qutb nonetheless inspired a widespread following within the Brotherhood. Terrorist groups like al Qaeda have today embraced his call for violence in the service of Islam.
    Outlawed in Egypt in 1954, the Brotherhood temporarily receded as a political force. It re-emerged under Anwar Sadat, a sympathizer of the group. Taking advantage of the Brotherhood’s militant aversion to secularism, Sadat sponsored it against his communist and socialist political opposition. Later, however, the Brotherhood joined the political Left in opposing Sadat’s peace treaty with Israel, believing the normalization of relations with Israel to be a betrayal of Islam.
    With the assassination of Sadat in 1981 by a smaller radical Islamist group, the Brotherhood charted a more mainstream course, and in 1987 won many government seats in an “Islamic Alliance” with other parties. Although it remains officially banned, the Brotherhood actively participates, with success, in Egypt’s parliamentary elections, running candidates as “independents” under the slogan “Islam is the Solution.”
    In Iraq, the Brotherhood is represented by the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP). As a member of Iraq’s governing council, the IIP has campaigned for the imposition of Shari’a law and, while publicly distancing itself from al Qaeda, has supported what it calls the “heroic Iraqi resistance” to coalition forces. Banned in Syria, the Brotherhood works clandestinely to foment opposition to the ruling government. In the Palestinian territories, Hamas in January of 2006 defeated the rival Fatah party to win the Palestinian legislative elections, becoming the first branch of the Muslim Brotherhood to control an official government.
    Outside the Middle East, the Brotherhood has expanded its operations to the United States. Muslim activists affiliated with the Brotherhood have founded the Muslim Students’ Association, the North American Islamic Trust, the Islamic Society of North America, the American Muslim Council, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. The Brotherhood also reportedly exercises a strong influence in Muslim communities throughout Europe.
    In recent years, the Brotherhood has attempted to forge a reputation as a moderate and reformist Islamic group that has renounced its violent past. Lending plausibility to this reputation has been criticism of the organization by radical Islamist groups, who have condemned the Brotherhood’s willingness to participate in the political process as heretical. These groups have also criticized the Brotherhood for supposedly abandoning violent struggle as a means of establishing an Islamic empire.
    However, numerous statements by the Brotherhood’s leadership belie its moderate posture. Ali Sadreddine Bayanouni, the leader of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, has repeatedly disavowed violence while concurrently pledging his support for the terrorism of Hamas and Hezbollah. Muhammad Mahdi Othman Akef, a prominent leader of the Brotherhood, has expressed his support for suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq “in order to expel the Zionists and the Americans.” He has also denounced the United States as a “Satan,” saying: “I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission.” Many other leaders of the Brotherhood have likewise justified terrorism against Israel and the United States, with many defending the September 11 terrorist attacks against America. Jews are another common object of the Brotherhood’s hatred. Of the Jewish people, Sheik Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, the spiritual leader of the Brotherhood, has written: “There is no dialogue between them and us other than in one language — the language of the sword and force.”
    Even as it is deemed insufficiently militant by some Islamist groups, the Brotherhood has had a discernible influence on contemporary jihadist terrorism. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the architect of 9/11, was a member of Muslim Brotherhood. More prominently still, Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood preacher, was a mentor to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
    In May 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood issued to its ideological allies an explanatory memorandum on “the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” Explaining that the Brotherhood’s mission was to establish “an effective and … stable Islamic Movement” on the continent, this document outlined a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” for achieving that objective. It stated that Muslims “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands … so that … God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.” The Brotherhood listed some 29 likeminded “organizations of our friends” seeking to realize the same goal.

  • http://www.atlasshrugs.com Pamela Geller

    Rabbi, what do you know of Islamic antisemitism?
    Rabbi, first, learn everything. Until then, shah still.
    The Koran on the Jews
    “Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews…” (5:82).
    “Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.” (5:78).
    “Is it ever so that when they make a covenant a party of them set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not. And when there came to them a messenger from Allah [Muhammad], confirming what was with them [the Torah], a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!” (2:100-101).
    “The People of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do” (2:143-144).
    “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).
    “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!” (9:30)
    The Jews killed their prophets (2:61; 2:87; 2:91; 3:21; 3:112; 3:181; 3:183; 4:155; 5:70), and boast “we killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary” (4:157).
    “Allah hath heard the taunt of those who say: ‘Truly, Allah is indigent and we are rich!’ We shall certainly record their word and (their act) of slaying the prophets in defiance of right, and We shall say: ‘Taste ye the penalty of the Scorching Fire!’” (3:181)
    “Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works.” (5:63)
    “The Jews say: ‘Allah’s hand is tied up.’ Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief” (5:64).
    The Jews “strive to do mischief on earth” – that is, fasaad, for which the punishment is specified in 5:33: “they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.”
    “Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get. Shame is pitched over them (like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from Allah, and pitched over them is (the tent of) destitution. This because they rejected the Signs of Allah, and slew the prophets in defiance of right; this because they rebelled and transgressed beyond bounds.” (3:110-112)
    “And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly (5:13).
    “Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, ‘there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans).’ but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it.” (3:75)
    “O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say ‘We believe’ with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews — men who will listen to any lie — will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, ‘If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!’ If any one’s trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such – it is not Allah’s will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.” (5:41)
    “There is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly” (3:78).
    “Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ to traffic with it for miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.” (2:79)
    “But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.” (5:13)
    “Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them’” (2:109).
    “And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them, although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith, when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith. “ (2:89)
    “For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them; in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way; that they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully; we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.” (4:160-161)
    “Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do.” (2:96)
    The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism [Andrew G. Bostom]
    From Robert Spencers book, “The Religion of Peace”:
    The Koran puts forward a clear, consistent image of the Jews: they are scheming, treacherous liars and the most dangerous enemies of the Muslims. This theological tenet provides a basis for Islam’s deeply-rooted anti-Semitism. Regardless of the actions of Jewish individuals today, and regardless of what policies the State of Israel follows, the Koran justifies an unrelenting form of anti-Semitism that will be extremely difficult to root out from the Muslim world.
    And this is by no means confined to an “extremist” fringe. The Koranic impulse toward anti-Semitism is evident in the attacks on Jews emanating from Islamic preachers and scholars worldwide. Take, for example, “Jews as Depicted in the Qur’an,” an article posted in 2004 on the website Islam Online. The website’s founders include the prominent Islamic theologian Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is hailed as a moderate reformist by Western Islamic apologistsThe article, written by Sheikh ‘Atiyyah Saqr, formerly of Al-Azhar University, copiously cites the Koran in depicting the Jews as a gang of corrupt, deceitful cut-throats.
    The Jews, he says, “used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah.” Supporting this, he quotes the verse condemning Jews for claiming Allah’s hand was fettered (5:64) and another asserting that some People of the Book say “we have no duty to the Gentiles” and in doing so, “speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly” (3:75). He adds a third verse in which some Jews, asked for money, scoff that “Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich!” (3:181)
    The Jews, continues Saqr, “love to listen to lies.” This is essentially a straight rendering of the Koran’s claim that the Jews are “men who will listen to any lie” (5:41). They also spread them: “There is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly” (3:78). They dare to distort “Divine Revelation and Allah’s Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: ‘Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, ‘This is from Allah,’ that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby’” (2:79).
    Saqr also notes that in the Koran Allah says the Jews have broken “their covenant,” and consequently he has “cursed them and made hard their hearts” (5:13). Indeed, says Saqr, “they never keep their promises or fulfill their words” – to demonstrate this, he quotes this Koranic passage: “Is it ever so that when ye make a covenant a party of you set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not.” (2:100).
    The Jews also refuse to believe in the prophets Allah has sent them, even Moses, telling him: “O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly” (2:55). They are hypocrites (2:14; 2:44) who “grow arrogant” before the messengers of Allah, refusing to believe in some and killing others (2:87). They are so arrogant and haughty that they “claimed to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones” – a fault they share with the Christians: “The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones” (5:18).
    All that represents damage the Jews do to their own souls, but Saqr — and the Koran itself – doesn’t stop there. The Jews also wish “evil for people” and try to “mislead” them. “This is clear,” says Saqr, “in the verse that reads: ‘Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them’” (2:109). They “feel pain to see others in happiness and are gleeful when others are afflicted with a calamity,” as is demonstrated, according to Saqr, by this verse: “If a lucky chance befall you, it is evil unto them, and if disaster strike you they rejoice thereat” (3:120). The Koran, Saqr points out, accuses them of “taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people’s wealth by false pretences” (4:161).
    Even worse, “it is easy for them to slay people and kill innocents,” for “nothing in the world is dear to their hearts than shedding blood and murdering human beings.” Saqr grounds this on the Koran’s assertion that the Jews “slew the prophets wrongfully” (2:61). The Jews are characterized, says Saqr, by “cowardice. . . . To this, the Qur’an refers when saying: ‘Ye are more awful as a fear in their bosoms than Allah. That is because they are a folk who understand not. They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified villages or from behind walls” (59:14). Saqr also excoriates the Jews for their “love for this worldly life” – as does the Koran: “And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters” (2:96).
    Saqr concludes on an optimistic note, voicing hopes that some day Muslims will be able to mete out punishment to their enemies; “Almighty Allah told us that He’d send to them people who’d pour on them rain of severe punishment that would last till the Day of Resurrection. All this gives us glad tidings of the coming victory of Muslims over them once Muslims stick to strong faith and belief in Allah and adopt the modern means of technology.”
    One should consider Saqr’s interpretation in light of Iran’s feverish attempts to acquire a nuclear bomb, alongside the repeated vows by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to wipe Israel off the map. For Ahmadinejad and his ilk, eliminating the Jewish state is not just a foreign policy goal; it is a religious imperative.
    Jewish apes and pigs
    Oddly, Saqr is silent about the famous Koranic passages in which Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes and pigs (2:63-66; 5:59-60; 7:166). The practice of calling the Jews of today “apes and pigs” has become a staple of jihadist discourse. Although Saudi authorities promised after 9/11 to revise textbooks that taught hatred against Jews and Christians, as late as 2006 Saudi texts still referred to Jews as “apes” and Christians as “swine.”
    And in April 2008 a British employment tribunal awarded 70,000 pounds to a teacher who had been fired from a Saudi-funded Islamic school for exposing the fact that the school used textbooks that spoke of “the repugnant characteristics of the Jews” and asserted: “Those whom God has cursed and with whom he is angry, he has turned into monkeys and pigs. They worship Satan.”
    In March 2004 Sheikh Ibrahim Mudayris, speaking on official Palestinian Authority television, railed against “the Jews today taking revenge for their grandfathers and ancestors, the sons of apes and pigs.”
    And during the swine flu scare in May 2009, Sheikh Ahmad ‘Ali ‘Othman, the superintendent of da’wa [Islamic proselytizing] affairs at the Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments, declared, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, that “all pigs are descended from the Jews whom Allah transformed into apes, swine and worshippers of Satan, and must therefore be slaughtered.” Othman based his argument on Koran 5:60, one of the notorious “apes and pigs” passages of the Koran.
    An Egyptian imam, Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub, in January 2009 delivered a televised sermon in which he insisted that Muslim hatred of Jews had nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with the Koran: “If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels – not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: ‘The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are.’ [9:30]
    It is Allah who said that they are infidels.” He also quoted Koran 5:82, the verse that says that the Jews are the Muslims’ worst enemies. His peroration: “As for you Jews – the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs…. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth! You kill the Muslims with that cold pig [blood] of yours.”
    Saqr, for his part, asserted that because Jews “revolted against the Divine ordinances … they found no warm reception in all countries where they tried to reside. Rather, they would either be driven out or live in isolation.” Moreover, “Almighty Allah told us that He’d send to them people who’d pour on them rain of severe punishment that would last till the Day of Resurrection.”
    Those people would be, by Saqr’s own account and that of other Islamic clerics, the Muslims.
    Islam: Instigator, Originator, Collaborator of the Final Solution
    Harry de Quetteville, “Christians still ‘swine’ and Jews ‘apes’ in Saudi schools,” Telegraph, June 25, 2006.
    Alexandra Frean, “Teacher accuses Islamic school of racism,” The Times, April 15, 2008.
    “PA Supervised Sermon:Jews the sons of apes and pigs,” IMRA, March 15, 2004.
    “Egyptian Religious Endowments Ministry Official: The Pigs Living Today Are Descended from Jews – And Must Be Slaughtered,” Middle East Media Research Institute Special Dispatch No. 2359, May 15, 2009.
    “Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub: The Jews Are the Enemies of Muslims Regardless of the Occupation of Palestine,” MEMRITV Clip No. 2042, January 17, 2009.
    John Esposito, “Practice and Theory: A response to ‘Islam and the Challenge of Democracy,’” Boston Review, April/May 2003; “Al-Qaradawi full transcript,” BBC News, July 8, 2004.
    ‘Atiyyah Saqr, “Jews as Depicted in the Qur’an,” Islam Online, March 23, 2004.

  • withyobadself

    pamela.. all cultures use thier religion to rally up the troops thats one of the main reasons man made up religion…the jews will just as easily say god wants us to kill our enemy… the christians will ignore what jesus said and go to the old testament that the jews wrote that says god will allow you to kill your enemy.. is god a god of love? maybe he is not if he allows people to kill in his name.. or maybe he is punishing people right now ..for using his name … the closer you get to god the easier it is to let go of the ways of the world.. children of god involved in politics shows thier faith is weak..

  • http://loganswarning.com/ ChristopherL

    Great post Pamella! Of course the Rabbi does not respond.
    @Bonnie….Sharia Law is uncontitutional. Please educate yourself.

  • cornilious

    would a jew name thier baby christopher since it has christ in it are there any jews named christopher….

  • Gail Hirschfield M.D.

    Thanks so much Hector, Eric, and other posters who understand that fascism under the name of religion is still fascist. Islamofascism. Yes, of course it matters if these folks support Hamas, a terrorist organization. Re religion as an excuse for fascist ambitions…Rabbi H., do you really believe this? Thanks, Ms. Geller—may your work not be in vain. Thanks for standing up and saying what needs saying. Rabbi who bears my name, does not the parable of Pinchas (Phineas) instruct you? It clearly guides me to understand what God wishes of us…that we stand up for ourselves when the time comes to do so…it is expected.
    And this is the time.

  • withyobadself

    back in the jesus days the romans conqured the jews.. the romans were killing jews when ever they felt like it and raping women..jesus the messiah the jews were waiting for but killed,had over 50 thousand jews following him and would do what ever jesus said to do.. the jews asked jesus to tell his 50 thousand followers to go to war with the romans and get thier land back… jesus the messiah said no love your enemy let him kill you will only go to heaven….no wonder you jews killed your messiah you jews are filled with hate…and greed

  • Frank

    withyobadself : “frank i love myself three times a day.. if anyone says they dont do that they are a liar..”
    But here’s the original exchange:
    [] withyobadself wrote: “no i think ill just say screw religions and learn to love each other like one loves his family”
    [] Frank: Based on your last six or so posts, withyobadself, I feel I can honestly suggest, “why not start with yourself?”
    Would you like to shoot for a more reasonable response?

  • Hector

    Cornelius asks: “would a jew name thier baby christopher since it has christ in it are there any jews named christopher….”
    A Jew, yes:
    Christopher Baron (Spin Doctors lead singer)
    Chris Weitz (American Pie director)
    Christopher Guest (actor)
    Christine Lakin (actress w/ Jewish father)
    Chris Blackwell (record producer)
    Chris Robinson (Black Crows)
    Chris Stein (Blondie)
    Chris Berman (sportscaster w/ Jewish father)
    Now, would two Jews name their child Chris? That will take a lot more Googling time.

  • G

    I wonder sometimes why groups who have fallen into mistrust from the general public due to some incident that shocks society, 9/11 or Columbine massacre of 1999, rather than try to heal the trust decide to try to force something of their beliefs into the face of the victims.
    For instance Moses (AKA Charlton Heston) insensitively declared this in an NRA speech in Colorado not long after the Columbine Massacre. It was an in-your-face declaration insensitive to the fairly recent massacre because his NRA agenda was more important than seeking to help heal the recent wounds.
    Fast forward to Islamic groups trying to build Mosques in and around areas that are still sensitive to the horrific loss of 9/11 or areas that are former holy areas of other religions.
    The idea of ‘We are a peaceful religion’ this is the USA and we have a right or whatever the justification is just plain insensitive and self-serving.
    First ‘Moderate and/or peaceful Moslems’ seek to heal the damage done by your brothers is arms before this ‘in-your-face”We have a right to do this attitude.
    If you really really want to show the US and the world that you are not like ‘them’ seek peace and healing first before doing things like building Mosques on contested sites. I am sure “Allah” (bless his name)
    would be more pleased by peace and healing than by another building at the cost of human hurt and suffering.
    P.S. After Charlton Heston died, did anybody think to walk over and get that gun out of his cold dead hand?? Just a thought.

  • laura mushkat

    rediculous-how would they like it if it was a church or shul? this is so wrong

  • Gregory Wahlstrom

    Pamela Geller has gone to great lengths to quote a plethora of anti-Jewish statements in the Qur’an and other Muslim sources. What she and others like fail to understand, however, is that those passages in the Qur’an refer to the Jews who were living in Medina at the time of Muhammad whose behavior was very hostile and treacherous; they do not refer to all Jews for all time. The mere fact that Muslim jew-hating bigots try to use those verses to stir up anti-Jewish bigotry means nothing other than the fact that haters in all religions are willing to distort their own scriptures to promote hatred.
    If Pamela were to try to find all the examples of Jew-hating Christians trying to distort the Bible to incite anti-Jewish hatred, she would certainly die of old age before completing the task. So why ignore that sordid history and focus on the Muslims?
    Also, if she wants to find anti-Jewish language, she need go no further than the Old Testament which is full of scathing denunciations of the “stiff-necked people”. Does this mean that the Jews themselves are also anti-Semitic?
    It is an historical fact that Jews were better treated in Islamic societies throughout history than in Christian Europe. How could that have been possible if Islam were inherently so Judeophobic?
    She goes to great lengths to demonstrate that the Muslim Brotherhood is an extremist organization. That may be true — but neither the Brotherhood nor HAMAS speak for all Muslims.
    If those promoting the Staten Island mosque are supporters of the Brotherhood or HAMAS, that might justify the opposition to the mosque. But if they are simply peaceable law-abiding people, it would be wrong to punish them simply because of the ugly words and acts of others who call themselves Muslims.

  • Frank

    Gregory Wahlstrom writes: “She goes to great lengths to demonstrate that the Muslim Brotherhood is an extremist organization. That may be true — but neither the Brotherhood nor HAMAS speak for all Muslims.”
    Of course they don’t. However, if they speak for a percentage greater than X%, then you wouldn’t feel so comfortable, would you now? (We can discuss what X would be to make you and me awfully uncomfortable…)

  • withyobadself

    gregory is an example of someone on the right path searching for truth, there is only one truth.. jesus the jewish messiah that the jews killed , had no choice but to search for truth because god wouldnt tell him everything.. frank is an example of the tea baggers in america.. tea baggers need to be told what the right way to live is..

  • withyobadself

    the jews were waiting for a messiah to lead them to war .. to kill the romans and get thier land back.. Instead thier messiah was a messiah of love.. I have a question for the jews.. what if jesus was the son of god.. have you ever wondered maybe the jews killed him by mistake.. im not saying become christians cause that another religion created by man.. religion is the middle man created by thieves..you dont need religion to talk to god.. just talk to him..

  • guzzardi

    Pamela Geller is a well-known right-wing hatemonger and Obama-basher.
    Think of her as Mort Klein in drag…

  • Carol

    I see withyobadself is back with his anti semitic comments and complete ignorance of history.
    Someone said he should be remove from this site but perhaps was now providing “comic relief.” These comments are really exactly what was spreading during pre-Hitler times and there is nothing funny about them. He should be removed. Anyone spreading hatred is not worth noting anywhere. there is “freedom of speech” then there is incitement of hatred which are different.

  • Dev

    It is so tireseome correcting those that are so blindly ignorant about history. The Israelites, became wary of JC, because his own arrogance that he was the son of G-d was a lie. You have to truly understand the precepts of Judaism to know that G-d is not anthropomorphic, there is no humanbeing, there is no body there is no idol. G-d in Judaism, was, is, and will be undefineable. Of course, in our prayer books *jewish we attach humanlike qualities because it is not humanly possible to understand all the totality that is G-d. That being said, G-d doesn’t have a flesh and blood son, he has his people The Israelites, which chose him after being offered first to every other nation. We chose to accept and then learn what is expected of us.
    Even if you are right, and the Jews did “kill” JC……….what business is it of yours if someone in OUR family was a problem, and we wanted nothing to do with him? 300 years later Constantine, decides to make me a G-d and it’s our problem? NO, it isn’t. You wanted him, you got him, don’t bother Jews, if they have no use forhim.
    Sorry

  • Amy Rosenberg

    My biggest problem with this Mosque and that near the 9-11-01 site is that the are being funded with foreign government funds. Other religious organizations must raise their own funds are therefore only able to have small places of worship. Also, access to these places will be limited to Muslims.

  • Your Name

    to withyobadself JC is not the Messiah if you want proof, email me. Kabilov123@yahoo.com

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    I tell you what – go try to put up a Synagogue in Indonesia or Pakistan (or a Catholic Church) and see how that works out. Is it as easy to do that as to put up a Mosque-ito here where PEOPLE WERE SLAIN AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER? DON’T YOU GET IT – YOU Libtards you? YOU ARE BEING MARKED FOR TERMINATION! Does anyone remember the good ol’ WWII days of ADOLPH HITLER???????????????????????? Nebbishes!!! Stupid! You deserve to lose your country because YOU ARE NOT MEN! YOU ARE NOT WOMEN! You are sheeple…baaahhhhh for your masters! Have you heard about what ha

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    Sorry – I’ll continue – you want Shariya law? Google the story about the 4 people arrested for talking ABOUT JESUS CHRIST! Go find out about the wisdom of the arrest from the Police chief whose last name was Haddad. YOU IDIOTS! Haven’t heard about that – have you – it wan’t on your MSCBS! You keep it up! You’ll get what you deserve! How do you women feel about Burrkahs? LIBTARDS ALL OF YOU!

  • evelyn

    You are all a bunch of idiots!!!!! Yes there really was and is a Flesh and Bone Man named (by the Greek) Jesus…and is the personaia OF GOD HIMSELF…CAME TO US IN THE FLESH FOR THOSE!!….THOSE!!……THAT WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED….HE CAME TO SAVE US FROM THE EVIL ONE AND BY BELIEVING THAT WAS DONE THAT HE SACRFICED HIM SELF FOR US BY HIS BLOOD THAT WE WHO BELIEVE THAT WILL HAVE EVER LASTING LIFE!!! AFTER THIS BODY DIES..oNE would have to be very cold and in my words evil to not understand what has happened and what is going to happen. MAY THE TRUE GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL (ONLY WHEN YOU ASK FOR IT) ..

  • evelyn

    Now try to go to any other country that is muslim and ask to beable to build a church in any of their cities or whatever…..They are killing Christians now whereever they can…..I would not want to see or hear of a mosque in any of our cities….of course there are those in MN and Wis.up north…most of those people are not Americans anyway…..Little by little these infidels are taking over the countries that will allow them….so why not the wonderful USA? the last frontier….? Those people are crazy and…. am I being raceist….you bet I am…..!!! I dont like killers in the name of some madeup god.. to kill us if we do not believe…..BUT this has already been told from the ages and the BIBLE the WORD OF GOD that this would happen!!!! We can fight it thought….by our prayers to our GOD. AND WE DONT NEED TO GET ON OUR KNEES WITH OUR A$$$ IN THE AIR….WE CAN SPEAK TO HIM ANYTIME WE WANT…AND HE LISTENS!!!!!!

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    Just look at how the idiot Shmuckbama has worked out – hating white folk – just like his Jeremiah Wright told him to. Look at your nebbish leader Shmuckbama telling AZ to shove it as their people are being killed by illegals. Have you heard of “La Raza” speaking of the white people becoming old and weak and not having babies. The white folk are dying. Look at your Islamic families – how many children are they having – 5 to 7 kids per family. The illegals? They having about the same. What about shite and black families – what are they having – ABORTIONS? I don’t want a baby…it makes my butt look big.
    You idiots in NYC believe that because your Mayor Bloomerberger says to boycott AZ because they shouldn’t defend the border – you go ahead and agree like the mindless morons that you are. And Shmuckbama gives the marching orders and you are in lockstep – BECAUSE YOU CAN’T FOR YOURSELVES! YOU’RE STUPID…you’re stupid because you watch the idiot tube and the make believe Whorewood crap and the mindless stupid sports that has dulled your neurons so much you are incapable…INCAPABLE to see when a sword is coming FOR YOUR THROAT! I pity you. I live up in the hills of another state but I was born in Brooklyn. I escaped from the mindless drones that you are because I KNEW IT WAS NOT SAFE THERE! I watch you from above a mountainside. I pray that you GROW A BRAIN AND FIGHT BACK WHAT IS COMING YOUR WAY. But you are like the Ostritch – the head in the sand; you turn the other cheek. You sign your own death warrant as your country becomes your new concentration camp. Well, heed the words! Listen to the real news and save yourselves.

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    You know Rabbi – you may be an honorable man – I believe that you are. I believe that you honestly have no clue as to what waits in the shadows. You have been brainwashed by the media – CBS, NBC, MSLSD, CNN, and reently – Fox News (joining up to make points). BUT MILLIONS OF US ARE SCREAMING FOR YOU AND YOURS TO WAKE UP. Think of how the gas chambers would have had some meaning if the “brethren” took out a Nazi or two on the way to the showers. If you think that Shariya Law isn’t coming soon to a neighborhood near you, you haven’t been looking at Europe. This is a bloodless coup – but a coup no less. We’re next. AND…we are fighting on three fronts. Illegals from Mexico, and Islame-oh-terrorists on our shores. How do you feel about funding footbaths at the airports? That is what we have become. G_D BLESS and BE SAFE – I’ll say a prayer for you.
    Islam is our enemy! Just remember that it wasn’t boy scouts that toppled the towers in downtown NYC – or did you get a different story in your neck of the woods?

  • Deveron

    The sad fact is, we have become a nation of haters. May God have mercy on us all.

  • helene

    Please read Nonni Darwish’s account of growing up Muslim. The bloodless coup is already here. Rabbi, Please wake up. We are not a nation of haters but we will become a nation doing allah akbar if we dont open eyes to the real threat of fanatic Islam. Nonni’s book and her website arabs for Israel hopefully will give you a glimpse of what we are fighting. Not hating. Protecting ourselves.

  • kel

    President that is secretly “Muslim”, Mosque in NYC—does anyone else see the signs here……its all too clear…..

  • Larry

    I believe to be truely democratic and give Muslims equal status they need to also give Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddists equal rights in the countries they control
    And if they continue to kill Christians and everyone that is a non believer, we here in America have the right to protect us from their attempt to dominate the World and force us into there laws and rules.

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    Deveron is partially right – The Muslim terrorists and the illegals hate the whites in this country. I believe they hate the blacks as well. You want to talk about hate? Just check the website “The Religion of Peace – Killing People Daily.” Just Google “Hamas Kindergarten Graduation” and see how 5 year olds graduate with guns and knives. Are we doing that with our Kindegartners? Huh? “La Raza” is a group that for sure hates the white race – and IT IS ABOUT RACE. They state that the white folk aren’t having babies – they’re dying. It’s true. Look at the illegals – they have / bring in families with 4 or more kids. THe muslims who took over Europe – somewhere in the 5 to 7 kids range per family. How many white families do you know with 4 to 6 kids in them? We are becoming (and it’s the same for blacks) non-entities. Preganacy has become disgusting to most young people – it doesn’t produce good abs and good butts. TV and pro-abortionists have made sure that they young have been brainwashed in that area to die off. You have enemies of our country all over the world including within our own country – and so now it has become a crime to defend oneself? Not going to happen in my lifetime. If the Rabbi wants to bury his head in the sand, that’s his call. But the people – at least a good many – have come out of their coma – and are seeing that they better take the bull by the horns or they will go the way of Europe. We’re next for Shariya Law. You think not? Just look at Deerborn Michigan and the 4 people jailed by their police chief Haddad for speaking about Jesus Christ. That happened a few days ago – you haven’t heard about it on MSCBS? That’s not hate?

  • windbender

    Same thing here in the South (Tennessee). A group of folks want to build an Islamic Center in Rutherford County (adjacent to Nashville) and the locals are up in arms over what on candidate running for office has called a “training camp” in our community. Shameful, really.

  • withyobadself

    christians hate more than any other religion… more people have been killed in the name of jesus all around the world then any other religion …all religion was made by lucifer…how many jews were killed in 9/11??? the jews knew not to show up for work that day…george bush knew it was going to happen …dick chaney couldnt wait to go to war for profit for the corporations…Lucifer is going to land in israel soon…look up RAELIAN on your computer… GOD IS PISSED AT ALL OF YOU…

  • Dandy Dahnoo

    I guess you think it is better to just go along blindly. I hate absolutely nobody. But I will not tolerate shariya law. And if you think I’m nuts – so be it. You’ll be practicing a new religion because of your brainwashing. Just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and FOX – along with MSCBS does your thinking for you – doesn’t mean you can’t take precautions. Look – believe what you want. YOu don’t want to be “better safe than sorry” – fine. You are getting the clues all around you and you choose not to heed at least an ounce of precaution. It’s your problem – not mine.
    Just remember the movie – “The POseiden Adventure” from the early ’70’s. All the people in the ballroom telling the six standing atop the upside balcony door that they will stay with the captain. The masses were in that grand ballroom – well, I don’t have to tell you their happy ending. I know – it’s a stupid movie – but a stupid movie with a point. Be safe and G-D Bless. That is all I will say.

  • Fred

    We are not seeing any so called “moderate” muslims speak out against the violence that the “extreme” muslims commit against other muslims or nonmuslims. But millions of them demonstrate when a nonmulsim involved in death of a muslim and threaten violent action. To me it shows that all muslims have the same ideology, they are against the western cultures, regardless whether they live in muslim counties, Europe or US. If they come to live in peace, it would be fine with me, but if they come to commit or support violence, I don’t want them in the US. So far I saw nothing that indicates they came in peace. They say they are peaceful when it is to their advantage to say so, but don’t show it. Actions speak louder than the worlds.

  • withyobadself

    what the american goverment wants most of all … is another attack on america… bigger than 9/11… then the american goverment will make new laws that will change the country into more of a dictator ship…in order to save america… america will start the draft… all of american borders will be closed… people will be shot if trying to cross borders…certain groups of people will be rounded up and executed…AMERICA WILL DIE because there are to many freedoms here….other cultures lasted for thousands of years because people werent free…freedom is another word for capitalizm…GREED is why america was created…dont worry everyone will have a chance to kill everyone….lucifer was giving power of this world…by God…children of god were supposed to have nothing to do with this world…all of you will be punished…

  • SHOSHANNA

    GREED HAS INDEED RUN A MOCK IN THIS COUNTRY TO SELL ANY THING FOR ANY THING TO ANY ONE,BUT THE SIGNS OF TIME ARE TRUELY AT HAND AND EVIL IS SO SUTTLE THAT MOST CAN RECONIZED IT WHEN WHEN SEE IT.
    I AM FOR US GETTING OUR FAIR SHARE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS,HOWEVER THE 9 11 INCIDENT OR SHOULD I SAY CRIME IS STILL VERY PAINFUL TO MOST.THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON A JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BELIEF.THIS SUTTLE ACT OF BUILDING A MOSQUE OR ANY THING THAT REFLECTS DISHONOR AND DISRESPECT THE MANY WHO LOST THER LIVES ON THAT HORRIBLE DAY.EVIL COMES IN MANY FORMS.THOSE THAT SOULD TO BE HONEST IN THEIR EFFORTS,HOWEVER,HISTORY SHOUND HAVE TOUGHT US MANY LESSONS IN WHICH MANY HAVE FAIL TO DO.
    A SHORT VERSE FROM PSALMS 83 SOMES IT UP;
    GOD,DO NOT KEEP QUIET;
    GOD,DO NOT BE SILENT OR STILL,
    YOUR ENEMIES Are MAKING NOISES;
    THOSE WHO HATE YOU ARE GETTING READY TO ATTACK.
    THEY ARE MAKING SECRET PLANS AGAINST YOUR PEOPLE;
    THEY PLOT AGAINST THOSE YOU LOVE.
    THEY SAY,’COME LET’S DESTROY THEM AS A NATION
    THEN NO ONE WILL EVER REMEMBER THE NAME ISRAEL OR THE NAME UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
    MAY THE GRACE OF GOD AND ALL HIS WISDOM PROTECT THE INICENT AND WATCH
    OVER OUR NATION..
    P.S, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING WORTH WHILE BUILD SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US CAN SEE AND SHOW HONOR TO THE MANY WHO LOST THEIR LIVES ON THAT DAY BY THEIR ACT OF COWARDNESS.

  • Friml

    The diocese should be defending Christianity, not selling to those who want to destroy it, or even to another religious entity. Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon, JW. Better it should be an office, a restaurant or a school. What about writing some bylaws to the effect that the diocese should defend and protect Christianity.

  • withyobadself

    christians are not following what jesus taught…. christianity is a world corporation just like all other religions…jesus the jewish messiah killed by the jews… never said make a religion out of me and call yourselves christians…of course christians will kill to protect the power they have gain of the world… god gave the world to lucifer…and gave the children of god two rules to follow… have nothing to do with the world…love eachother and god…anyone involved in the world is involved with lucifer…look up RAELIAN on your computer…lucifer will land in israel soon and give only two rules for you to follow… get on your knee’s and worship him… or die..

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