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Supporting Israeli Arabs, Good Idea or Dangerous Precedent?

posted by Brad Hirschfield

Jewish support for initiatives addressing co-existence among all citizens of the State of Israel, both Jewish and Arab, has gone mainstream. Is this a good thing or not? Depends on whom you ask.
Last week’s unanimous endorsement of the cause by American Jewry’s largest religious movement, at the biennial conference in Toronto of the Union for Reform Judaism, was the latest sign that Jewish support for Israeli-Arab causes has become popular. But such support is not limited to Reform Jews.
Activists from secular to Orthodox have taken up this cause, though there is no doubt that the numbers skew in one direction – and it isn’t toward the traditional community. That disturbs me personally, but should not actually be an issue in the debate about the wisdom of this trend.
It seems to me that this is ultimately an issue about which those on the left and the right, both politically and religiously, ought to agree.


The full integration of all of Israel’s citizens is ultimately a security issue, so it should high on the agenda of the so-called hawks. And, it is a security issue which generates what many will consider to be a liberal social agenda, so it should remain high on the agenda of the so-called doves.
Democracies remain most durable when they serve the greatest number of their citizens with the greatest possible degree of equality, dignity and access to new opportunity. There are many reasons why some will not jump at the opportunity to apply this fact to Israel, and even I admit that in the case of a nation whose Jewish character I believe must be maintained, it will not always be easy to do. But there is no question that Israel’s future lies in continuing to be at the leading edge of democracy and human rights in the Middle East, not at the expense of its security, but as a means of helping to assure it.



  • JH

    According to authoritative Muslim sources, which are themselves based on the Koran and Hadiths, such as the writings of the author el-Tabari of the eighth and ninth centuries, a Muslim must not be friends with Christians and Jews, on pain of being seen as an infidel himself and suffering the due horrible punishment. He must have enmity to infidels and loyalty to Muslims. Even if the infidels are kind to him and the Muslims are hurtful to him, a Muslim must never do anything to help infidels against Muslims. However, if circumstances temporarily require a Muslim to deal with infidels, he can pretend to be their friend. This is the doctrine of taqiyya or concealment. But if the practice of taqiyya reaches the point where in order to maintain the false front of friendship with infidels, the Muslim must actually do something that will harm his fellow Muslims, then taqiyya must be dropped and jihad commenced. Furthermore, as Ibrahim shows us from the Islamic teachings, there is such a thing as solo jihad, in which a single Muslim fights against an entire army of infidels and sacrifices his life, becoming a martyr.
    Such, says Ibrahim, was the very course Hasan pursued. As a pious Muslim he properly regarded infidels–i.e., other Americans–as his enemies. But once he had become a U.S. Army officer, involving him of necessity in close relations with other Americans, he began to practice taqiyya, pretending to be friends of the infidel Americans by day, while secretly maintaining contacts with various jihadists by night. But when he was assigned to go to Afghanistan, that meant to his mind that he would be fighting against his fellow Muslims. Of course he himself would not be fighting, as he was a doctor. But the prospect of serving in Afghanistan as part of an army fighting against the Taliban and al Qaeda threatened Hasan with the hellfire reserved for infidels. This was why he did everything he could, as noisily as he could, to get the Army to excuse him from going to Afghanistan. It was even the main point of his notorious PowerPoint lecture that a Muslim in the U.S. military must not be required to fight against fellow Muslims. But when he couldn’t get out of the deployment, the time for taqiyya had ended, and the time for jihad–one-man jihad–had arrived.
    As Ibrahim indicates, every step of Hasan’s behavior fit that of a devout Muslim following jihad doctrine.
    But, according the liberal media, Hasan carried out his attack because he had been “taunted” as a Muslim by fellow Army officers. According to the Human Biodiversity blogger Dennis Mangan, Hasan carried out the attack because, being unable to find a Muslim wife, he was sexually frustrated. And according to the most outre theory seen so far, Hasan carried out the attack because, as a result of treating Iraq veterans suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, he, though never having been in combat himself, had picked up pre traumatic stress disorder, a new syndrome made up on the spot in order to avoid thinking that Islam had anything to do with the massacre at Fort Hood. These and other non-Islam theories of Islamic extremism all stem from the unforgivable refusal of otherwise intelligent people to know anything about the doctrines of Islam, which command Muslims to do certain things.
    Ibrahim concludes:
    The ultimate lesson? So long as Muslim doctrines are downplayed in the West, so long will warning signs, even concrete intelligence, be ignored, so long will such seemingly inexplicable incidents occur, so long will the media continue grasping for straws and Americans be “completely blindsided,” so long will “Muslim grievance” be the default answer, so long will appeasement and concessions (domestically and internationally) be the only solution, so long will jihadis and Islamists grow emboldened and contemptuous, expecting more. Ad infinitum.
    Conversely, if the Fort Hood massacre causes Americans to begin taking Islam’s doctrines more seriously, the thirteen slain, while dying tragically, will not have died in vain.

  • Kampung Highlander

    JH you use 8th and 9th century writings as evidence of the mindset of Muslims in the modern day.
    I can just as easily find ancient jewish and christian writings that also that call for the killing of those that do not share their faith.
    Perhaps you are one of those waked out fundamentalists that believe those ancient texts.
    Time to join the 21st century where we are not all bent on killing people because they chose to worship god differently from ourselves.

  • JH

    Statistics and the Meaning of Islam
    What is the “real” Islam? Is it the Islam of the nice Muslim at work? Or is it the Islam of Osama bin Laden?
    To get a logical answer, we must have a logical basis. What sources are available to answer the question? We can toss out the media and all of its answers since they generally quote apologist “experts”. But is there an expert we can trust? Yes, there is. Mohammed.
    The most fundamental statement that can be made about Islam is: there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is His prophet. This is the bedrock of Islam and points us directly to the only sure source of Islam-Allah and Mohammed. But where are Allah and Mohammed found? The Trilogy of Koran, Sira and Hadith. Allah is found in the Koran and Mohammed is found in the Sira (his biography) and the Hadith (his traditions of small stories and sayings). There is a special name for the sum of the Sira and the Hadith, the Sunna.
    The Koran and Sunna are the only sure and certain basis of Islam. All of Islam is based upon the Trilogy.
    The foundational texts of Islam –the Trilogy–suffer from being deliberately difficult. It is clear to anyone who reads these texts that every effort has been made to make the material obscure and difficult. There are two reasons for this obscurity. First, difficult texts make for a secure job for the priestly caste, the imams and scholars. If the text is clear in meaning, then no help is needed to understand it. The second reason is that the texts contain horrible and contradictory messages for the world buried under the obscurity.
    The usual response to this difficulty is to skip the editing and offer up some verses from the Koran. But “verse” is a biased word in that it invokes a religious overtone. In almost every case, a verse is nothing more than a sentence. There is no other field of study in which individual sentences are given so much weight.
    “Verse picking”, to use a statistical term, is a very poor sampling method. What we want is the meaning, and it is impossible to learn the complete meaning from a sentence. What we need to concern ourselves with are ideas and concepts, not simply a sentence.
    Let us be clear here that the very best way to obtain the complete meaning is to edit (edit does not mean change the meaning, but to order, rearrange and collect) the texts and then proceed from the edited text. The Koran is famously difficult. However, if the necessary editing is done, the Koran is a very straightforward document. The first editing steps are to put the Koran in order with respect to time. In this way when you turn the page, you advance in time, just as you would in a history book. This time line order has been known since the first days of Islam. The next step is to collect all of the variations of the same story. As an example, the story of Moses and the Pharaoh is told 39 times. If they are all collected under one category, then the Koran is easier to read and less boring.
    The next step is to take the Sira and weave it into the Koran to give the Koran a context. For example, there is a verse that says that it was proper to burn the palm trees. For someone who reads this verse, a question arises: what palm trees are being talked about? The Koran gives no context. But in the day of its creation, everyone who heard the verse knew that the previous week, Mohammed had attacked some Jews who were date farmers and had destroyed their date palm trees in violation of Arabic war customs. When the story of Mohammed (from the Sira) is woven into the Koran, then the context of the attack on the Jews is clear.
    A Koran that is in the proper time order, categorized, and includes Mohammed’s life is a straightforward book that is easily understood. CSPI has published two Korans that have been edited this way-A Simple Koran and an Abridged Koran.
    But we still have a problem. We need to be able to discuss the Koran with those who do not have access to edited Korans or who would not read them anyway. We need to be able make meaningful summary statements. Picking your favorite verse is not the way to make a summary statement.
    We need a method of macro-analysis, not micro-analysis. We need to be able to talk about the big picture, the complete meaning of Islam. But there is a problem in trying to summarize Islam as it is filled with contradictory statements. So how do we deal with the contradictions while looking at the big picture?
    The answer to these questions is to use a statistical measure of the texts. Don’t let the word statistics scare you. The only statistics needed is counting how many items are in a category.
    Take for example the idea of the importance of the Koran. The most commonly belief about Islam is that it is based upon the Koran and is a religion. Neither of these ideas is true.
    How important is the Koran? It contains about 153,000 words. The Sira (by Ibn Ishaq) contains about 292,000 words, and the Hadith has 646,000 words (using the Bukhari text). So Allah is about 14% of the total of the Trilogy and the Sunna (Mohammed’s words and deeds) is 86% of the total. These are only a quantitative measure, but still, it points out how important Mohammed is compared to Allah, based upon the amount of text.
    This is born out further by noticing that the Koran does not contain enough information to practice even one of the Five Pillars of Islam. Only the Sunna (primarily the Hadith for religious practice) tells the Muslim how to worship. So the statistical measure shows that Islam is also Mohammedism.
    Once the Koran is rearranged in the right time order, categorized and Mohammed’s life is woven back into it, another fact leaps from the page. Very little of the Koran is devoted to how to be a Muslim, the religion of Islam. Instead, the majority of the Koran is about kafirs, non-Muslims. Kafirs are the worst of the creation. Allah hates kafirs and plots against them. Kafirs can be tortured, murdered, robbed, raped and enslaved. The Koran is fixated on kafirs, as was Mohammed.
    To measure the Koranic fixation on kafirs, let us measure the fixation by counting the amount of text devoted to them. In Mecca an astounding 67% of the text is devoted to the kafir. In Medina 51% was about kafirs. The amount of text in the entire Koran devoted to kafirs is 61%.
    As an aside, Islam excludes kafirs in every way from its religious practice. Since the kafir is outside of Islam, the term political Islam is used to describe the doctrine of Islam as it is applied to the “others”, the kafirs. So 61% of the Koran is about political Islam, not religious Islam. (KS Lal gives the figure of 63% in Theory and Practice of Muslim State in India, Aditya Prakashan, 1999, N. Delhi, pg. 4).
    The Sira shows the importance of Islam’s political nature. Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years in Mecca and only gained 150 followers. He moved to Medina where he became a politician and warrior. After 10 years of violence he became ruler of all Arabia without a single enemy left standing. He was involved in an event of violence every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life. Statistical conclusion-Islam’s success came from war and politics, not religion.
    Another statistical conclusion: Islam is primarily a political doctrine, not a religion.
    Simple statistics also reveal the true nature of the political/religious idea of jihad. When the word jihad is used, Muslims say that there are two kinds of jihad. There is the religious jihad, the greater jihad–the inner struggle against personal problems. The war jihad is the lesser jihad.
    The Hadith of Bukhari gives all of the tactical details of jihad. A simple counting method shows that 3% of the hadiths are about the inner struggle, whereas, 97% of the hadiths are about jihad as war. So is jihad the inner struggle? Yes, 3%. Is jihad the war against kafirs? Yes, 97%.
    This leads to a very important concept. Islam is based upon contradictory statements. How do we sort them out to get the complete meaning? We measure the amount of text devoted to each side of the dichotomy. That is what we did with the question of which jihad is the real jihad. It gives a complete statistical answer.
    There is nothing new here. Only single value state ideas can be measured by one number. Multi-state ideas must be evaluated by statistics that measure every state of the variable. If an idea has different manifestations, then instead of arguing which is the right manifestation, just measure all of the manifestations.
    There is an exact analogy to the measurement of the state of the electron in an atom. Quantum physics does not give a single answer about the energy and position, but gives us the statistical probabilities of each possible state. The same is true about Islam. We need to know its total state, not something about one category.
    In conclusion, statistics is a superior way to gain complete knowledge of the texts of Islam. Statistics allows us to explore Islam in its totality. Remember the old story of the blind men feeling the elephant? One said the elephant was like a rope, another a tree, a wall and so forth. Was each man right? Were any of them wrong? No. But none of them were completely right. Statistical analysis cannot tell us the qualitative story but it allows us to remove the blinders of only looking at one category and forces us to look at the total picture.
    Notice that this approach also effectively tells us how to evaluate the “experts” that get trotted out to buttress a favorite position. This is the iron rule of Islam-only Mohammed defines the truth of Islam. If what an expert says agrees with Mohammed, then the he is right, but he is redundant. If what the expert says contradicts Mohammed, then the expert is wrong. So experts are either redundant or wrong. Only Mohammed tells us the truth about Islam and he is never wrong or redundant. Skip the experts and move straight to Mohammed. The statistical approach does just that.
    Bill Warner

  • Jh

    Kampung Highlander go find it in ancient jewish writings . good luck

  • a devout Jew

    JH and Bill Warner:
    You stress the importance of language, yet ou can’t even get your elementary facts right.
    You state: “The most fundamental statement that can be made about Islam is: there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is His prophet.” Wrong! the actual saying of the shahada (which is what this is called in Arabic) is “there is no God but God and Muhammad is the messenger (rasul) of God.”
    You can’t even get the correct wording of the shahada straight.
    That undermines your credibility with regard to everything else!
    Allah is simply the Arabic word for “God.” Thus, when Maimonides
    was writing in Arabic about Adonai/Elohim, he used the word “Allah.”

  • Your Name

    JH and Bill Warner claim that
    “statistics is a superior way to gain complete knowledge of the texts.”
    as the saying goes: there are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.
    ask professional statisticians: you can manipulate stats to say whatever it is you wish them to say.

  • windbender

    To the point, is the rabbi’s last statement – ” Israel’s future lies in continuing to be at the leading edge of democracy and human rights in the Middle East, not at the expense of its security, but as a means of helping to assure it.”
    This is no less true here in the United States. Our past efforts at segregation should have long ago made clear the folly of setting aside any portion of humanity as somehow “other” than ourselves.
    When we treat others based on how we fear they would treat us, we make ourselves the victims of acts uncommited outside of our own imaginination.

  • Emily with the Kippah

    It’s very easy to find hate, racism, and general loathing of humanity in Jewish scripture. Just look at this site, http://tinyurl.com/ykyxld, for such examples.
    And the above commenter is right about statistics. Many can be manipulated quite easily to say just about anything.
    As can sacred Jewish scripture, as demonstrated by the above, even if it’s not remotely the context used in practice by actual Jews.
    The Jewish hatred of Muslims, especially as it has manifested on this open-minded and thoughtful blog, is a shameful thing. The Holocaust, which was a culmination of Christian hatred of us (also viewable at the site above) happened but 70 years ago. We still (thanks to G-d) have survivors of those horrors as witnesses. And yet in such a short time hatred once again rears its ugly head.
    We haven’t learned anything since escaping Egypt – time and time again we’re told to love our neighbors, and especially to show kindness to strangers, because we were strangers in the land of Egypt. But time and time again only hatred, mis-trust, and ugliness are shown to strangers.

  • Gil

    JH and Bill Warner have both given a more erudite expose of Islam than any of the other bloggers. As Isaiah said: “By your deeds shall ye be known.” One does not have to torture a fact with analysis into paralysis. Enough of the Islam apologists. Enough liberal interpretations of horrendous behavior. Yes Emily you can find antisocial commandments in Torah – but Jews are not Torah Jews but rabbinic Jews. We don’t stone women today for sexual indiscretion or kill a willful child or cut off the hand of a wife for touching the husband’s genitalia. Today there are millions of Muslims that still engage in genital mutilation and sexual enslavement of women – still will kill a fellow Muslim because he is of a different sect – and kill a kafir. If given a question to name a religion associated with worldwide terrorism – what name comes immediately to mind. Res Ipsa Loquitor.

  • Emily with the Kippah

    Actually Gil, the expose website of Jewish hatred and racism was of the Talmud itself. Not the Torah. Because Christians follow the Torah (they think they do anyway) and of course cannot betray a scripture they follow. But that website clearly “proves” that Jews are just as spiteful and loathing of their fellow human beings, as directed by the Talmud, as Muslims are (according to Jews). I invite you to disprove the claims put forth there.
    And don’t bother using the excuse that “they’re taken out of context” or “they’re not followed the way the text says they’re followed.” Because people can say the exact same thing about Muslim scriptures that Jews try to bludgeon everyone with.

  • Your Name

    The question should jews support Arabs should be answered only by
    the commandments of Moshe (Moses). In the Torah (Exodus 12:48) the
    Yahweh of Yisrael instructed Moshe to accept any stranger only if they keep the Passover and were circumcised. There is no indication that Yahweh changed this throughout the rest of the scriptures.

  • JH

    Raymond Ibrahim
    http://armedservices.house.gov/pdfs/TUTC021209/Ibrahim_Testimony021209.pdf
    The greatest hurdle Americans need to get over in order to properly respond to the growing threat of radical Islam is purely intellectual in nature; specifically, it is epistemological, and revolves around the abstract realm of “knowledge.” Before attempting to formulate a long-term strategy to counter radical Islam, Americans must first and foremost understand Islam, particularly its laws and doctrines, the same way Muslims understand it—without giving it undue Western (liberal) interpretations. This is apparently not as simple as expected: all peoples of whatever civilizations and religions tend to assume that other peoples more or less share in their worldview, which they assume is objective, including notions of right and wrong, good and bad.

  • JH
  • Emily with the Kippah

    In the well known story about Elijah and a Great Scholar, Elijah promises to come to his door one night to be with the scholar, and the scholar eagerly awaits Elijah by staying up and studying Torah by candlelight. When an old woman who needs shelter sees his light on, she comes to his door asking for shelter, saying “I saw your light on and you are the only one awake at this hour. Please grant me shelter from the weather.” And the scholar says, “I’m sorry but I can’t. I’m waiting for a very important guest.” Elijah never comes. Finally, Elijah DOES appear to the scholar again, saying, “Why do you hate me?” the scholar said, “I don’t hate you!” and Elijah said, “I was at your door the other night and you turned me away.”
    We should be kind to the stranger regardless of whether they are circumsized, have money, have no money, are mentally ill, have a different language, a different race, or a different religion, or any multitude of these things. If we make an example to separate ourselves so harshly from people, they will want us to be separate from them.

  • Gil

    Emily you have a bone to pick with Jews. First we as well as the rest of the world’s population are not a paragon of virtue. The Talmud was written over a time span of hundreds of years. Written by men. Many of the discussions are only that without actually coming to a definite conclusion. As I stated you judge a people by their behavior not what some wrote over 2,000 years ago. We don’t judge the Germans of the 1930’s and 1940’s by Hitler’s Mein Kamf, but by their collective deeds of that era. It appears that you have googled anti-Jewish references to how Jews, who experienced horrendous behavior towards them responded in their texts. Jews for the most part have made tremendous positive contributions to civilization. As John Adams, our second president wrote: “The Jewish race has contributed more to the civilization of man than any other group.” I only take exception to his term “race.” As to your remark, Christians do not betray their scripture – Please do us both a favor. It appears that you should change your name to Emily with the Burka.

  • Your Name

    Emily,
    I agree with Gil. You are no scholar, let alone a student of the
    Talmud. The Talmud is a collection of discussions, arguments and
    even miscellaneous non-sequitirs, compiled and edited by those
    secure enough not to censor their own discussions. To pull quotes
    from a discussion ripped completely out of context is disingenuous
    and agenda-driven. And then to quote them in such a forum is pathological. May your tormented soul find peace.
    Below is a recontextualization of some of the naked quotes you posted.
    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/kill.html

  • Your Name

    God was very specific when He told the Jews/Israel to go into a land that they were to kill ALL of the people, tear down their gods, and cleanse the land.
    The Arabs have been very clear about what they want – to annihilate what they call the infidel. That includes all Jews and Christians and especially the USA. We have seen the effects of jihad here repeatedly on USA soil but have turned a blind eye and try to be optically correct while ignoring their intent of destroying us.
    There will never has been and never will be true peace with the Arabs until Christ returns. We have no right or jurisdiction over Israel and need to keep our nose out of what they do. The only way we can help the situation is to support Israel in whatever they decide to do. Scripture is very clear about what will happen to nations who do not support them and, frankly, I don’t want to be part of a nation who turns their back on Israel and leaves them to the “mercy” of the Arabs.
    We have had a very small taste of what Israel has had a regular dose of the Terrorism and we have been stupid enough to make excuses for them. We need to take a strong stand against Arab terrorism and treat the terrorist as the war criminals they are. They do not have a right to traditional USA justice system. Give them the same kind of justice they give others. MAYBE that will get the point across that the rest of the world is fed up with them holding the world hostage.

  • Emily with the Kippah

    It’s a shame that people cannot see themselves in the mirror.
    1. people can use verses taken out of context to call Jews a pox on humanity – at their very core, as demanded by our religion.
    2. people can use verses taken out of context to call Muslims a pox on humanity – at their very core, as demanded by their religion.
    3. And once again, we have a Christian claiming he is superior to us all.

  • Your Name

    There is a simple thing one must take in mind when trying to understand the atmosphere within the Israeli-Arabic villages (this is where the Jewish support goes. Not to Palestinian villages on the west bank or Gaza).
    The Arab community in Israel is on a “crossroad”. There are different opposite educational, religious, political and cultural forces which are pulling to opposite directions.
    The direction which leads to “logout” from the Israel society is Dangerous both for the Arabic and Jewish population in Israel. it’s basically “no solution – no future” philosophy.
    All those who are MEVAKSHEI HAIM for Israel must find the way to support those who see the only reasonable solution for Israeli Arabs – a minority with full rights (even with better rights) in the state of the Jewish people – Israel.
    I meet with a lot of Israeli Arabs. The inner conflict they live in – is obvious. Most of the time they feel like “second class” citizens. They experience hard times in maintaining themselves economically, and they lack optimism in general. But, if there were a righteous and fair future for them in Israel, they would be happy to be, and I stress it, proud Arabic Israeli citizens in the only democracy in the ME.
    This is why I see blessing in every support by Jewish people to Arab Israelis

  • Gilad from the Galilee

    There is a simple thing one must take in mind when trying to understand the atmosphere within the Israeli-Arabic villages (this is where the Jewish support goes. Not to Palestinian villages on the west bank or Gaza).
    The Arab community in Israel is on a “crossroad”. There are different opposite educational, religious, political and cultural forces which are pulling to opposite directions.
    The direction which leads to “logout” from the Israel society is Dangerous both for the Arabic and Jewish population in Israel. it’s basically “no solution – no future” philosophy.
    All those who are MEVAKSHEI HAIM for Israel must find the way to support those who see the only reasonable solution for Israeli Arabs – a minority with full rights (even with better rights) in the state of the Jewish people – Israel.
    I meet with a lot of Israeli Arabs. The inner conflict they live in – is obvious. Most of the time they feel like “second class” citizens. They experience hard times in maintaining themselves economically, and they lack optimism in general. But, if there were a righteous and fair future for them in Israel, they would be happy to be, and I stress it, proud Arabic Israeli citizens in the only democracy in the ME.
    This is why I see blessing in every support by Jewish people to Arab Israelis

  • GK

    If integrating Arabs is a security issue then integrting Orthodox Jews is twice as much. Wasn’t it an Orthodox Jew who killed PM Yizhak Rabin?
    I think the failure to integrate the Israeli Arabs is either stuipid cruelty or cruel stupidity.

  • http://www.living-inspired.com Eytan

    I really wonder what kind of person Emily with a kippah is. You pose as a Jew but you keep quoting this website that the nazis would be proud of. You pose as a Jew and keep blaming the Christians who participate in this forum in order to make them hate the Jews. I don’t know what your goal is but I don’t think you are fooling anyone around here.
    http://www.living-inspired.com
    Your daily spiritual click

  • Eytan from living-inspired.com

    Gilad from the Galilee, I would just add: same rights = same obligations. If Israeli Arabs are OK with this then I completely agree with you.
    Eytan
    http://www.living-inspired.com
    Your daily spiritual click

  • David Cohen

    I went to the site mentioned by Emily with the Kippah and it quotes what appear to be hateful sections of the Talmud. Unfortunately, I don’t possess the neccesarry knowledge of Talmud to assess how accurate the quoted Talmud texts are. I suspect some evil-minded editing is afoot. At the end of this is the statement that the only religion that truly follows Torah is Christianity.
    The whole slant of this supposedly scholarly work about the Talmud has no relationship to the Judiasm I was taught growing up. I’d like to see a response from a true Talmud scholar of this defamatory non-sense.

  • Abambagibus

    Is every Arab a Muslim? Is every Israeli a Jew? When we encounter the phrase ‘Israeli Arab’, are we to equate it automatically with ‘Israeli Muslim’? I can see no real problem contingent on the Israeli support of Israeli Arabs. But, on the Israeli support of Israeli Muslims, that is a different matter.

  • http://samsonblinded.org/news/ ilona@israel

    Israel is a country where live jewish russian french usa australian ukraine and arab people, and they all have to have same rights and conditions for life. its multinational country full of people with different mentality and Israel must consider it.

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