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From William Doino, who edited The Pius War:

Rabbi and historian David Dalin is scheduled to be on MSNBC television this afternoon (Tuesday), between 3-4 PM; and also on Raymond Arroyo’s "World Over Live" Program, on EWTN, this Friday, at 8:PM EST, to speak about his new book, The Myth of Hitler’s Pope (just out from Regnery–a major publisher, which has published numerous bestsellers) and now available on amazon.com. Dalin co-edited The Pius War (now a selection of two major outlets–the Conservative Book Club; and Roman Catholic Books); and his new book is completely independent of The Pius War–  though both complement one other. The Myth of Hitler’s Pope brings to light new evidence in favor of Pius–and papal support for Jews throughout the ages– in a very original way. He really dismantles the opponents of PP, and reduces their arguments to a pile of dust. He analyzes the culture wars–which he believes are driving this manufactured "debate"–and compares Catholic-Jewish relations to the much more volatile state of Jewish-Islamic relations, which is at the heart of current geopolitical debates. Keep your eye on this one. It could be the biggest pro-Pius seller yet.–Sincerely, William Doino



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Joe Giardina

posted July 26, 2005 at 2:33 pm


Rabbi Dalin was wonderful. Too bad they only alotted him a few nanoseconds to talk. Contessa was visibly annoyed at his view of history and the hook came out quick.
The facts have always been there but the press and Israeli Government have their agenda.



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Septimus

posted July 26, 2005 at 2:43 pm


I’m so glad to hear this, and I can’t wait to read his book. I get shaking-mad about the calumnies heaped upon that holy man, Pope Pius XII of happy memory, who certainly was flawed — as are we all! — but who was heroic! in helping victims of the Nazis.



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Donald R. McClarey

posted July 26, 2005 at 3:19 pm


“When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.”
Golda Meir, then Israelis delegate to the United Nations, October 9, 1958 upon the death of Pius XII



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Tom Woods

posted July 26, 2005 at 3:33 pm


I reviewed this excellent book at this link. Distribute it far and wide — Rabbi Dalin deserves as much support as we can give him.



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Tom Woods

posted July 26, 2005 at 3:35 pm


Whoops. Mr. Technology here put the link to the Dalin review under my name; click on “Tom Woods” in my previous message and you’ll get to the review. I’m going to go do some calculations on my abacus now.



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amy

posted July 26, 2005 at 4:20 pm


But aren’t computers part of civilization? Didn’t the Catholic Church build it??? :-)
Here’s an easy link to Thomas Woods’ review



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William

posted July 26, 2005 at 4:55 pm


Many, many thanks for posting my comments on Rabbi Dalin’s MSNBC appearance, which I watched earlier today. Here is my snap review: given the hostile questioner, and given that the segment was extremely brief, Rabbi Dalin did the best he could, really a superb job. The segment opened with a biased report about how “outraged” the Israeli foreign ministry was over Pope Benedict’s alleged silence over a recent terrorist attack in Israel-not mentioning Benedict’s absolute condemnations of all forms of terrorism, including anti-Semitic atrocities in Israel, and/or that both sides have now smoothed over this misunderstanding–nor did MSNBC mention that on the very day that the terrorist attack struck Israel (July 12), the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with Jews was in Jerusalem, at an inter-faith conference, celebrating an historic Catholic-Jewish accord, and praising Pope Benedict’s commitment to ecumenism (“Jewish-Catholic Panel Agrees on Religion-State Ties: Should be one of Collaboration, Say Leaders After Jerusalem Meeting,” Zenit News Agency, July 12, 2005″). Rabbi Dalin wisely ignored this sideshow, and got to the main point: He said that the myths surrounding Pius XII’s reputation constituted a “terrrible [historical] injustice.” The Rabbi emphasized Pius XII’s heroic interventions for Italian Jews, among others(and contrary to Pius’ detractors, Pius XII was not “silent” about the evils of the Third Reich, as Dalin’s book richly documents). The interviewer, who probably was reading off a monitor, tried to contest Rabbi Dalin’s points by suggesting that John Paul II had “apologized” for “the Vatican’s silence” during the War–another anti-Catholic myth. The late, great pope did indeed acknowledge the terrible sin of anti-Semitism, and fully acknowledged that this sin had been committed by certain “sons and daughters” of the Catholic Church; but he equally praised–and quite eloquently so– those Catholics who resisted anti-Semitism and Nazism–including Pius XI and Pius XII, of whom he said: “It is also fitting to recall the strong, unequivocal efforts of the popes against anti-Semitism and Nazism at the height of the persecution of the Jews.” (Address of September 11, 1987 to a Jewish audience in Miami; for further documentation of the papacy’s outspoken record against Hitlerism, and papal assistance to Jews, see my extensive annotated bibliography in The Pius War, pp.97-282) . John Paul II, in point of fact, called Pius XII a “great pope” (“Pope Calls Pius XII ‘Great,’ Catholic World News, March 23, 1998) and credited him and his representatives (i.e., the entire wartime Church, encompassing the laity, religious and the diplomatic corp)with saving “hundreds of thousands of Jewish lives” (“We Remember: A Reflection on the Shoah,” footnote 16). In an extensive interview with me, published in the August 2003 issue of Inside the Vatican magazine, Sir Martin Gilbert, one of the world’s leading Holocaust scholars, and the official biographer of Sir Winston Churchill, said of this estimate: “Hundreds of thousands of Jews saved by the entire Catholic Church, under the leadership and with the support of Pope Pius XII, would, to my mind, be absolutely correct.” Gilbert has done more Holocaust research, at Yad Vashem and elsewhere, than almost anyone now living, so those who say that this estimate is an “exaggeration” should consider what this eminent historian has to say about the matter. But for a primer on the subject, few books can beat Rabbi Dalin’s The Myth of Hitler’s Pope, an outstanding achievement, highly recommended to all.



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tcreek

posted July 26, 2005 at 6:00 pm


Here is the beginning of an interview from a few years ago.
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Interview with Historian David Dalin of New York
RIMINI, Italy, (ZENIT.org-Avvenire). Aug, 2001 – What does New York Rabbi David Dalin think of Pope Pius XII?
“The Jewish people had no greater friend in the 20th century,” says the historian.
According to Rabbi Dalin, who last Wednesday addressed the meeting organized by the Catholic movement Communion and Liberation, “during the Second World War, Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than any other person, including Raoul Wallenberg and Oskar Schindler.”
–Q: You have labeled historians who have criticized Pope Pius XII as revisionists. Why?
–Rabbi Dalin: Today there is a new generation of journalists and experts determined to discredit the documented efforts of Pius XII to save the Jews during the Holocaust. This generation is inspired by Rolf Hochhuth´s play “The Vicar,” which has no historical value, but levels controversial accusations against this Pope. However, Eugenio Pacelli´s detractors ignore or neglect Pinchas Lapide´s enlightening study.
[Lapide] was consul general of Israel in Milan and met with many Italian Jews who survived the Holocaust. In his work, Lapide documents how Pius XII worked for the salvation of at least 700,000 from the hands of the Nazis. However, according to another estimate, this figure rises to 860,000.
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Rich Leonardi

posted July 26, 2005 at 6:19 pm


It’s a bittersweet pleasure that there are so many good books available lately concerning Catholic topics of interest that I could easily spend half my paycheck acquiring them. Nice review, Tom. And kudos to you for the success of your new book.



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Pat Gonzalez

posted July 26, 2005 at 6:51 pm


Good for Rabbi Dalin! I will certainly buy a copy of his book. The response of people like him in the Jewish community is a very hopeful sign for future relations between the people Christ came from and the Church He founded.



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jane

posted July 26, 2005 at 7:29 pm

Patrick Sweeney

posted July 26, 2005 at 8:36 pm

mark

posted July 26, 2005 at 10:52 pm


I was reading this earlier, and it gives a fairly good account from a contemporary eyewitness and neutral source.
Inside the Vatican of Pius XII : The Memoir of an American Diplomat During World War II, by Harold H. Tittmann Jr, Harold H. Tittmann III
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385511299/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/103-5843804-5943062



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mark

posted July 26, 2005 at 10:53 pm


I was reading this earlier, and it gives a fairly good account from a contemporary eyewitness and neutral source.
Inside the Vatican of Pius XII : The Memoir of an American Diplomat During World War II, by Harold H. Tittmann Jr, Harold H. Tittmann III
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385511299/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/103-5843804-5943062



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Albertus M

posted July 27, 2005 at 12:36 am


Isn’t it curious that the fiercest critics of Pius XII as being anti-Jewish are usually Catholics or former Catholics, and his strongest defenders tend to be Jews?



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tcreek

posted July 27, 2005 at 6:44 am


The New York Times is in the forefront today of those propagating the myth of Pius XII’s “silence”. As the story unfolded however, this same newspaper saw things differently. The following are wartime reports from the New York Times.
NEW YORK TIMES
• October 28, 1939 – “POPE CONDEMNS DICTATORS, TREATY VIOLATORS, RACISM” A three-column front page headline reporting the Pope’s first encyclical.
• January 23, 1940 – “VATICAN DENOUNCES ATROCITIES IN POLAND; GERMANS CALLED EVEN WORSE THAN RUSSIANS.”
• March 14, 1940 – “JEWS RIGHTS DEFENDED” reporting the Pope’s “burning words to Nazi Foreign Minister Ribbentrop in defense of the Jews in Germany and Poland.”
• December 25, 1941 – “Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas…The Pope put himself squarely against Nazism.”
• August 6, 1942 – “POPE IS SAID TO PLEAD FOR JEWS LISTED FOR REMOVAL FROM FRANCE.”
• August 27, 1942 – “VICHY SEIZES JEWS; POPE PIUS IGNORED.”
• December 25, 1942 – “This Christmas more than ever the Pope is a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”: editorial on the Pope’s reference to the “hundreds of thousands who…solely because of their nation or race, have been condemned to death or progressive extinction.”
• August 21, 1944 – Pulitzer Prize laureate Anne O’Hare McCormick wrote that the Pope had given “first priority” to saving Jews.
• October 15, 1944 – Reporter Herbert L. Matthews:
“Under the Pope’s direction the Holy See did an exemplary job of sheltering and championing
the victims of the Nazi-Fascist regime.”



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