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Obama’s Fascinating Interview with Cathleen Falsani

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The most detailed and fascinating explication of Barack Obama’s faith came in a 2004 interview he gave Chicago Sun Times columnist Cathleen Falsani when he was running for U.S. Senate in Illinois. The column she wrote about the interview has been quoted and misquoted many times over, but she’d never before published the full transcript in a major publication.
Because of how controversial that interview became, Falsani has graciously allowed us to print the full conversation here.
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Falsani is one of the most gifted interviews on matters of Faith, and has recently published an outstanding memoir called Sin Boldly: A Field Guide for Grace. To get a free download of the audio book, click here.

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At 3:30 p.m. on Saturday, March 27, 2004, when I was the religion reporter (I am now its religion columnist) at the Chicago Sun-Times, I met then-State Sen. Barack Obama at Café Baci, a small coffee joint at 330 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago, to interview him exclusively about his spirituality. Our conversation took place a few days after he’d clinched the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate seat that he eventually won. We spoke for more than an hour. He came alone. He answered everything I asked without notes or hesitation. The profile of Obama that grew from the interview at Cafe Baci became the first in a series in the Sun-Times called “The God Factor,” that eventually became my first book, The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People (FSG, March 2006.) Because of the staggering interest in now President-Elect Obama’s faith and spiritual predilections, I thought it might be helpful to share that interivew, uncut and in its entirety, here.
–Cathleen Falsani
Interview with State Sen. Barack Obama
3:30 p.m., Saturday March 27
Café Baci, 330 S. Michigan Avenue
Me: decaf
He: alone, on time, grabs a Naked juice protein shake
FALSANI:
What do you believe?
OBAMA:
I am a Christian.
So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith.
On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences.
I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of six and 10.
My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim.
And I’d say, probably, intellectually I’ve drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith.
(A patron stops and says, “Congratulations,” shakes his hand. “Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you.”)
So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.
And so, part of my project in life was probably to spend the first 40 years of my life figuring out what I did believe – I’m 42 now – and it’s not that I had it all completely worked out, but I’m spending a lot of time now trying to apply what I believe and trying to live up to those values.
FALSANI:
Have you always been a Christian?


OBAMA:
I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.
FALSANI:
Any particular flavor?
OBAMA:
No.
My grandparents who were from small towns in Kansas. My grandmother was Methodist. My grandfather was Baptist. This was at a time when I think the Methodists felt slightly superior to the Baptists. And by the time I was born, they were, I think, my grandparents had joined a Universalist church.
So, my mother, who I think had as much influence on my values as anybody, was not someone who wore her religion on her sleeve. We’d go to church for Easter. She wasn’t a church lady.
As I said, we moved to Indonesia. She remarried an Indonesian who wasn’t particularly, he wasn’t a practicing Muslim. I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country. So I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and at night you’d hear the prayer call.
So I don’t think as a child we were, or I had a structured religious education. But my mother was deeply spiritual person, and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world’s religions, and talk to me about them. And I think always, her view always was that underlying these religions were a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself but also for the greater good.
And, so that, I think, was what I carried with me through college. I probably didn’t get started getting active in church activities until I moved to Chicago.
The way I came to Chicago in 1985 was that I was interested in community organizing and I was inspired by the Civil Rights movement. And the idea that ordinary people could do extraordinary things. And there was a group of churches out on the South Side of Chicago that had come together to form an organization to try to deal with the devastation of steel plants that had closed. And didn’t have much money, but felt that if they formed an organization and hired somebody to organize them to work on issues that affected their community, that it would strengthen the church and also strengthen the community.
So they hired me, for $13,000 a year. The princely sum. And I drove out here and I didn’t know anybody and started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job training programs, or afterschool programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communites.
This would be in Roseland, West Pullman, Altgeld Gardens, far South Side working class and lower income communities.
And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened because I’d be spending an enormous amount of time with church ladies, sort of surrogate mothers and fathers and everybody I was working with was 50 or 55 or 60, and here I was a 23-year-old kid running around.
I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and it’s importance in the community.
And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply.
So that, one of the churches I met, or one of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ. And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.
FALSANI:
Did you actually go up for an altar call?
OBAMA:
Yes. Absolutely.
It was a daytime service, during a daytime service. And it was a powerful moment. Because, it was powerful for me because it not only confirmed my faith, it not only gave shape to my faith, but I think, also, allowed me to connect the work I had been pursuing with my faith.
FALSANI:
How long ago?
OBAMA:
16, 17 years ago. 1987 or 88
FALSANI:
So you got yourself born again?
OBAMA:
Yeah, although I don’t, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I’m not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I’ve got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.
I’m a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt. I’m suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.
I think that, particularly as somebody who’s now in the public realm and is a student of what brings people together and what drives them apart, there’s an enormous amount of damage done around the world in the name of religion and certainty.
FALSANI
Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.
Ever been there? Good service.
I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it’s kind of a meditation on race. There’s a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.
FALSANI:
Do you pray often?
OBAMA:
Uh, yeah, I guess I do.
Its’ not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why am I doing it.
One of the interesting things about being in public life is there are constantly these pressures being placed on you from different sides. To be effective, you have to be able to listen to a variety of points of view, synthesize viewpoints. You also have to know when to be just a strong advocate, and push back against certain people or views that you think aren’t right or don’t serve your constituents.
And so, the biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass. Those are the conversations I’m having internally. I’m measuring my actions against that inner voice that for me at least is audible, is active, it tells me where I think I’m on track and where I think I’m off track.
It’s interesting particularly now after this election, comes with it a lot of celebrity. And I always think of politics as having two sides. There’s a vanity aspect to politics, and then there’s a substantive part of politics. Now you need some sizzle with the steak to be effective, but I think it’s easy to get swept up in the vanity side of it, the desire to be liked and recognized and important. It’s important for me throughout the day to measure and to take stock and to say, now, am I doing this because I think it’s advantageous to me politically, or because I think it’s the right thing to do? Am I doing this to get my name in the papers or am I doing this because it’s necessary to accomplish my motives.
FALSANI:
Checking for altruism?
OBAMA:
Yeah. I mean, something like it.
Looking for, … It’s interesting, the most powerful political moments for me come when I feel like my actions are aligned with a certain truth. I can feel it. When I’m talking to a group and I’m saying something truthful, I can feel a power that comes out of those statements that is different than when I’m just being glib or clever.
FALSANI:
What’s that power? Is it the holy spirit? God?
OBAMA:
Well, I think it’s the power of the recognition of God, or the recognition of a larger truth that is being shared between me and an audience.
That’s something you learn watching ministers, quite a bit. What they call the Holy Spirit. They want the Holy Spirit to come down before they’re preaching, right? Not to try to intellectualize it but what I see is there are moments that happen within a sermon where the minister gets out of his ego and is speaking from a deeper source. And it’s powerful.
There are also times when you can see the ego getting in the way. Where the minister is performing and clearly straining for applause or an Amen. And those are distinct moments. I think those former moments are sacred.
FALSANI:
Who’s Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
OBAMA:
Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
FALSANI:
Is Jesus someone who you feel you have a regular connection with now, a personal connection with in your life?
OBAMA:
Yeah. Yes. I think some of the things I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
FALSANI:
Have you read the bible?
OBAMA:
Absolutely.
I read it not as regularly as I would like. These days I don’t have much time for reading or reflection, period.
FALSANI:
Do you try to take some time for whatever, meditation prayer reading?
OBAMA:
I’ll be honest with you, I used to all the time, in a fairly disciplined way. But during the course of this campaign, I don’t. And I probably need to and would like to, but that’s where that internal monologue, or dialogue I think supplants my opportunity to read and reflect in a structured way these days.
It’s much more sort of as I’m going through the day trying to take stock and take a moment here and a moment there to take stock, why am I here, how does this connect with a larger sense of purpose.
FALSANI:
Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?
OBAMA:
Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.
FALSANI:
Those two will keep you on your toes.
OBAMA:
And theyr’e good friends. Because both of them are in the public eye, there are ways we can all reflect on what’s happening to each of us in ways that are useful.
I think they can help me, they can appreciate certain specific challenges that I go through as a public figure.
FALSANI:
Jack Ryan [Obama's Republican opponent in the U.S. Senate race at the time] said talking about your faith is frought with peril for a public figure.
OBAMA:
Which is why you generally will not see me spending a lot of time talking about it on the stump.
Alongside my own deep personal faith, I am a follower, as well, of our civic religion. I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure. I mean, I’m a law professor at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law. I am a great admirer of our founding charter, and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming, and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root ion this country.
As I said before, in my own public policy, I’m very suspicious of religious certainty expressing itself in politics.
Now, that’s different form a belief that values have to inform our public policy. I think it’s perfectly consistent to say that I want my government to be operating for all faiths and all peoples, including atheists and agnostics, while also insisting that there are values tha tinform my politics that are appropriate to talk about.
A standard line in my stump speech during this campaign is that my politics are informed by a belief that we’re all connected. That if there’s a child on the South Side of Chicago that can’t read, that makes a difference in my life even if it’s not my own child. If there’s a senior citizen in downstate Illinois that’s struggling to pay for their medicine and having to chose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer even if it’s not my grandparent. And if there’s an Arab American family that’s being rounded up by John Ashcroft without the benefit of due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
I can give religious expression to that. I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper, we are all children of God. Or I can express it in secular terms. But the basic premise remains the same. I think sometimes Democrats have made the mistake of shying away from a conversation about values for fear that they sacrifice the important value of tolerance. And I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive.
FALSANI:
Do you think it’s wrong for people to want to know about a civic leader’s spirituality?
OBAMA:
I don’t’ think it’s wrong. I think that political leaders are subject to all sorts of vetting by the public, and this can be a component of that.
I think that I am disturbed by, let me put it this way: I think there is an enormous danger on the part of public figures to rationalize or justify their actions by claiming God’s mandate.
I think there is this tendency that I don’t think is healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them.
FALSANI:
The conversation stopper, when you say you’re a Christian and leave it at that.
OBAMA:
Where do you move forward with that?
This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.
FALSANI:
You don’t believe that?
OBAMA:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That’s just not part of my religious makeup.
Part of the reason I think it’s always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest commong denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.
FALSANI:
Do you ever have people who know you’re a Christian question a particular stance you take on an issue, how can you be a Christian and …
OBAMA:
Like the right to choose.
I haven’t been challenged in those direct ways. And to that extent, I give the public a lot of credit. I’m always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch FoxNews or listen to talk radio. That’s dangerous sometimes. But generally, Americans are tolerant and I think recognize that faith is a personal thing, and they may feel very strongly about an issue like abortion or gay marriage, but if they discuss it with me as an elected official they will discuss it with me in those terms and not, say, as ‘you call yourself a Christian.’ I cannot recall that ever happening.
FALSANI:
Do you get questions about your faith?
OBAMA:
Obviously as an African American politician rooted in the African American community, I spend a lot of time in the black church. I have no qualms in those settings in participating fully in those services and celebrating my God in that wonderful community that is the black church.
(he pauses)
But I also try to be . . . Rarely in those settings do people come up to me and say, what are your beliefs. They are going to presume, and rightly so. Although they may presume a set of doctrines that I subscribe to that I don’t necessarily subscribe to.
But I don’t think that’s unique to me. I think that each of us when we walk into our church or mosque or synagogue are interpreting that experience in different ways, are reading scriptures in different ways and are arriving at our own understanding at different ways and in different phases.
I don’t know a healthy congregation or an effective minister who doesn’t recognize that.
If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.
FALSANI:
Do you believe in heaven?
OBAMA:
Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?
FALSANI:
A place spiritually you go to after you die?
OBAMA:
What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.
When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.
FALSANI:
Do you believe in sin?
OBAMA:
Yes.
FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
FALSANI:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.
FALSANI:
Where do you find spiritual inspiration? Music, nature, literature, people, a conduit you plug into?
OBAMA:
There are so many.
Nothing is more powerful than the black church experience. A good choir and a good sermon in the black church, it’s pretty hard not to be move and be transported.
I can be transported by watching a good performance of Hamlet, or reading Toni Morrison’s Song of Solomon, or listening to Miles Davis.
FALSANI:
Is there something that you go back to as a touchstone, a book, a particular piece of music, a place …
OBAMA:
As I said before, in my own sort of mental library, the Civil Rights movement has a powerful hold on me. It’s a point in time where I think heaven and earth meet. Because it’s a moment in which a collective faith transforms everything. So when I read Gandhi or I read King or I read certain passages of Abraham Lincoln and I think about those times where people’s values are tested, I think those inspire me.
FALSANI:
What are you doing when you feel the most centered, the most aligned spiritually?
OBAMA:
I think I already described it. It’s when I’m being true to myself. And that can happen in me making a speech or it can happen in me playing with my kids, or it can happen in a small interaction with a security guard in a building when I’m recognizing them and exchanging a good word.
FALSANI:
Is there someone you would look to as an example of how not to do it?
OBAMA:
Bin Laden.
(grins broadly)
FALSANI:
… An example of a role model, who combined everything you said you want to do in your life, and your faith?
OBAMA:
I think Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.
I think Dr. King, and Lincoln. Those three are good examples for me of people who applied their faith to a larger canvas without allowing that faith to metasticize into something that is hurtful.
FALSANI:
Can we go back to that morning service in 1987 or 88 — when you have a moment that you can go back to that as an epiphany…
OBAMA:
It wasn’t an epiphany.
It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them. For me it was probably because there is a certain self-consciousness that I possess as somebody with probably too much book learning, and also a very polyglot background.
FALSANI:
It wasn’t like a moment where you finally got it? It was a symbol of that decision?
OBAMA:
Exactly. I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me.
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Cathleen Falsani is author of Sin Boldly: A Field Guide for Grace. To get a free download of the audio book, click here.



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Bill

posted November 11, 2008 at 4:41 pm


There are a couple of gems here. My favorite is when he says that sin is “being out of alignment with my values.” A close second is the paragraph where he talks about his “ongoing conversation with God” and “constantly asking myself questions.”



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Eric

posted November 11, 2008 at 4:52 pm


Fascinating read…it would have been great to read this before the election



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posted November 12, 2008 at 1:51 am


The man is more conscious than most people. Where does consciousness comes from? It comes from a connection to God. Consciousness equals enlightenment. The spirit of God or the Holy Spirit if you will raises one’s consciousness. This is gift and it is manifested in president elect Obama through serving others. This current position he’s in is his destiny. This is the work of the Spirit.
Whatever happens, do not touch a hair on his body. God is trying to tell us something through Mr. President Obama. Listen carefully.



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Varad

posted November 12, 2008 at 4:57 am


Vow! He is talking of a dialogue and not just a monologue with God. What a blessing for USA



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Gene

posted November 12, 2008 at 10:41 am


I would like to know if the allegations mailed to me below are true. Perhaps Jay Sekulow could verify or tell me the truth?
— On Tue, 11/11/08,
(This emaill is not being sent out under the auspices of James Padgett Ministries Association.)
Please bring this all important material to Dr. Dobson’s attention
Dear Concerned Fellow American,
After learning that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and had been adopted in Indonesia by his mother’s second husband, Lulu Soetero (making him ineligible to become President of the United States, attorney Phillip Berg (framer Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania and lifelong prominent Democrat), asked the Democratic National Committee to vet Obama on these matters prior to nominating him to be their party’s candidate for the presidency. They refused to, so he filed a lawsuit against Obama and the Democratic National Committee and others involved. His lawsuit was dismissed by the US District Court for Eastern District of Pennsylvania on the absurd basis that he lacked standing to question the Democratic Party’s choice in moving forward with Obama. Berg filed an appeal to the US Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is giving Obama and the Democratic National Committee until December 1, 2008 to respond. After Berg files his answer to their response, the Supreme Court WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO REVIEW THE CASE, BERG VS. OBAMA.
Though attorney Berg has been on over 60 media programs and his website has over 71.8 million hits on it, our NATIONAL MEDIA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING OF THIS. Please pray and do anything you can do to help make this public knowledge. Pray that the Supreme Court will decide to review the case and will declare Obama ineligible (for the sake of the 1.3 million babies that will be aborted each year as well as many lives that will be greatlly damaged by the advance of the homosexual agenda. It was leaked Monday, Nov. 10, that in his first day in office, Obama will move to again fund abortions overseas {which Pres. Bush stopped) Again, for further information and updates on this lawsuit, you can go to Phillip Berg’s website, http://www.Obamacrimes.com. You can also google “Obama birth certificate” and obtain articles fully explaining his lawsuit.
Berg, of course, is familiar with the defenses of Obama’s birth certificates mentioned on Snopes, Politfact and FactCheck – but believes these are not telling the whole story and contain inaccurate material. One only needs to know that the Annenburgs own FactCheck.com and that Obama sat for many years on the board of one of their corporations. Wouldn’t effect its partiality any, would it?
If you google “Obama birth certificate, you will see even a number YouTube videos that also bring out the spurious nature of the birth certificate the DNC posted on their website.
(Please forward this on to other likeminded citicens who would pray and work in order that the truth would be publicly exposed.)
Below is the latest press release about this lawsuit, stating Souter has directed Obama and DNC to respond to it by Decmember 1, 2008.
For Immediate Release: – 11/07/08
U. S. SUPREME COURT AWAITS RESPONSE TO
BERG’S WRIT OF CERTIORARI
FROM OBAMA, DNC and Co-DEFENDANTS
(Contact information and PDF at end)
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 11/07/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States filed a Writ of Certiorari in the United States Supreme Court on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants. Accordingly, the U. S. Supreme Court has set dates in which Barack Obama, the DNC and all co-Defendants are to respond to the Writ, which is on or before December 1, 2008.
Mr. Berg remarked today, “I look forward to receiving Defendant Obama’s response to the Writ and am hopeful the U. S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama. I believe Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of President of the United States.”
Mr. Berg’s case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. Mr. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari for review of the case and an injunction to stay the election pending review. Justice Souter denied the injunction. It is expected that the Court will decide whether or not to review Berg v. Obama after the Defendants file their response, and Mr. Berg has replied to the Defendant’s response.
The Defendants’ response is due by December 1st and Mr. Berg’s reply will be submitted thereafter.
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555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
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Cell (610) 662-3005
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Below is an article describing the grounds for Phillip Berg’s lawsuit (Below it are links to other helpful articles by Berg)):
Thursday, August 21, 2008
Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency
by Jeff Schreiber
America’s Right.com
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.
Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit–just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver–for the health of the Democratic Party.
“I filed this action at this time,” Berg stated, “to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.”.
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls “dual loyalties” due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of “multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries” remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama’s birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals–Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital–in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple “registry of birth” records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
“Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama’s lies and obfuscations,” Berg stated. “If the DNC officers … had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws.”
“It is unfair to the country,” he continued, “for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected.”
RELATED ITEMS:
America’s Right commentaries: Eligibility Goes Beyond Citizenship and Is this For Real, and Why Hasn’t the Mainstream Media Covered it Yet?
America’s Right interview: A Conversation with Philip Berg, Esq.
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George Thompson

posted November 12, 2008 at 10:52 am


This is all so absurd – Obama is a Christian, a U.S. Citizen and the duly elected 44th president. If a court were to overturn this, the people of the U.S. would have every right to revolt!



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Tyrone

posted November 12, 2008 at 10:54 am


Wow. I believe he is going to make a wonderful President. How fortunate for America to have chosen such an intelligent and spiritually grounded man to lead this country. I like the part where he explains that we are all connected no matter what our spiritual beliefs are.. And what’s even more comforting is that he seems to still have the same values during the elections and now that he spoke of 4 years ago in this interview. Now that really speaks to his character and his honesty….I voted for the right man…



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Virginia

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:05 am


Delightful. He could be speaking from my own Heart– and he described a faith that is indeed “spiritual,” and yet also practical–about simply living a good and true life everyday. I was just speaking to my lover about my sense that Obama measures and tests everything against an Inner “gyroscope” or compass– against an Inner sense of right and wrong– an Inner Vision and value system based on compassion, equality, tolerance, broad-based knowledge, integrity and etc.– and if the person, statement, solution,position matches that inner compass, he goes that way, he “stands” for that– and if it does not match, or suddenly or gradually moves out of alignment, he would drops it or moves in another direction, with no qualms. Not “flip-flopping”– simply always following and staying in alignment with that Vision, that Compass, his Values and the sense of Spirit/God/Christ and Right and Wrong he carries inside of him. That “Voice,” that Alignment, are Absolutely, from my experience, the Truest measures of what we should be doing in any situtaion. And checking everything out against that Inner gyroscope/compass simplfies even the most complex issuess.



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Your Name

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:07 am


Thank you so much for sharing. I could tell this is how Barack Obama believed just from carefully watching and listening to him throughout this Presidential Campaign. I’m so very grateful.
And to think that while we were crying out to God as the devastation of the 60′s proceeded, God had already answered (Barack was born in 1962)!! The other day I heard John Lewis put it this way about Barack: “He was tracked down by the Spirit of History and he allowed himself to be used for the common good.”
We’re living in a sacred moment in time. How cool is that?!



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Henry

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:13 am


That’s an amazing piece and I think Obama will make an amazing President. If there is such a thing, he is truly enlightened.



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Curtis Balls

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:13 am


My god, that we elected such a wonderfully aware and intelligent man to the highest office in the land is a total miracle. Amazing. Simply amazing. Is America reinventing itself again? I don’t even believe in god and I want to say God have mercy on us that we not lose hope, and keep and protect Mr. Obama.



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Dave Berger

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:24 am


Obama can be characterized as a beautiful enigma and time will tell the impact of his ascendancy on world affairs and cultures. As a naturalized American citizen and a fan of US constitution, I am worried about the influence of religion on policy and public life; the founding fathers meant to restrict the influence of religion on governance as much as tolerating its free practice. It has become an article of faith among all major public office candidates to profess their allegiance to the Judeo-Christian god and traditions and thus killing the letter and spirit of US constitution. Do we really believe an Atheist, an Agnostic, a Muslim, a Hindu or even a Jew has a chance to become US president? If so, we are delusional. America has a long way to go before it reaches the plateau that our founding fathers promised. Take religion out of politics please.



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Dee

posted November 12, 2008 at 11:34 am


This is so inspiring! It’s funny to me how some people try to claim that Barack Obama is a Muslim and in the same breath condemn him for belonging to Rev. Wright’s “christian” church for 20 years! It’s plain to see that this is a man with deeply rooted spititual values and solid moral fiber that can be seen throughout his family, especially in his children! I am a registered Republican but I did vote for him and I think we got it right this time!



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Sandy

posted November 12, 2008 at 12:33 pm


The more I read about him, the more thrilled I am that he is our President. Thank God.



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Frank

posted November 12, 2008 at 12:37 pm


I don’t understand how this individual can spout the stuff that he can and consider himself a Christian. He sounds more like a Unitarian Universalist.



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Bob Welch

posted November 12, 2008 at 12:37 pm


FINALLY…a truly spiritually evolved human as President…You CAN be spiritual….AND rational..
I’m 63…and this may well be (finally) the “dawning of the age of aquarius”…What the ’60′s were REALLY about ; cultural tolerance,and the societal and spiritual evolution of the PLANET.
As Im saying to my friends, the 21st century started not in 2000, but on Nov 4, 2008 .
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seeker

posted November 12, 2008 at 1:03 pm


In regards to Frank’s comments, why do conserviative Christians always have to parse everything so literally? I really think you miss the essense of Christ. Don’t forget the real developer of Christianity was Paul and dogma was to come later. Unitarians view the world as having many avenues to truth. Would Christ really object? How do you make sense of Christianity as love and reconcile using fear and exclusivism? And how do you miss that Jesus was a jew, born, lived and died as one. Does all Judaism go out the window? Was he breaking with his faith or simply challenging it?
Really, I only have respect for thinking, questioning Christians. Sorry!



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blue renus

posted November 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm


I learned in my Luther small catechism that we know there is a god three ways. Nature, Bible, and Conscious. This man is on the right path. God bless us all.



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Observer

posted November 12, 2008 at 1:46 pm


To Frank’s statement:
Maybe one day we’ll be more concerned with what people Are rather than what they “call themselves.” We know that many murderers, pedophile priests, and others who simply wish to feel superior “call themselves” Christian quite often. But what we “are” is the extent to which we are loving in our heart–the extent to which our spirit is free of judgment and superiority. Working to say others aren’t Christian is a way to be quite unChristian and repel others who may consider looking at the actual teachings of Jesus.



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believer

posted November 12, 2008 at 1:55 pm


Finally, a man of both faith and tolerance to lead us. What a blessing to us all!



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Informed on Obama

posted November 12, 2008 at 1:56 pm


Just an FYI, I see in the post about Berg’s lawsuit that he believes Obama’s birth certificate is fraud, the following statement:
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
It couldn’t possibly be Maya’s hawaiian birth certificate forged to look like his. She wasn’t born in Hawaii, but rather Indonesia where they lived at the time of her birth.
Berg has been proven to be a nut case who files lawsuits at every single opportunity. He has attempted to sue hundreds of people and his claims are always thrown out of court. He’s just an attention seeker trying to capitalize on the Obama success.



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Margaret

posted November 12, 2008 at 2:01 pm


Obama mentions that he thinks his grandparents joined a Universalist church. When they lived on Mercer Island, they and their daughter Stanley Ann attended Eastshore Unitarian in Bellevue. It became a member of the Unitarian Universalist Association in 1961 when that denomination was formed by a merger of two denominations. I had thought I was hearing UU principles as I listened to Obama throughout the campaign, and only heard recently from friends in the Bellevue church that the Dunhams were members there. Many noteworthy Americans have been Unitarians or Universalists, including five U.S. presidents.



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David R

posted November 12, 2008 at 2:15 pm


He fails on every measurement of ‘what is a christian’.
He says sin is just “not following his own values”
he says Jesus is “a teacher”
He says there are “many ways”
He says he can get to heaven “by being good enough”
Christianity is not what we define it to be, but what Christ defined it — in His own words.
David
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John McDaniel

posted November 12, 2008 at 2:27 pm


As a secular humanist, I was greatly encouraged by reading this interview. Obama revealed himself to be a humanist who adopted Black Liberation Christian theology as a philosophy to support social action and progress. As David R just pointed out above, Obama relies on core values he holds, not on the Christian dogma of redemption for the irredeemable. Despite what he claims for “public acceptance,” he’s a Freethinker just like me.



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Chris

posted November 12, 2008 at 3:10 pm


I’ll be the first to admit that as a Christian, I did find some of his answers thoroughly disappointing, from a theological perspective. Only God can truly know if any man really has a relationship with Him or not, and I have no reason to doubt Obama’s sincerity, but his answers here are far from matching the clear doctrine of the Bible, New Testament in particular.
That being said, this doesn’t change my opinion of our new President, from a political standpoint. He’s a man who clearly has a very strong moral compass and a genuine concern for his fellow man. His theology may not line up with mine but he is still a great example of what kind of people we should strive to be, regardless of our various faiths.



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Chui

posted November 12, 2008 at 5:36 pm


What an amazing interview. This man truly gets the truth, penetrates the truth and lives the truth.
To the extent some Christians commenters do not identify what he speaks with Christianity, I ask: does his thoughts and actions more firmly align with Jesus’s directions than someone whose brand of Christianity starts and ends with Jesus dying for their sins?
Does Obama talks about tending to the Christian sick and the Christian poor, or does he talk about tending to the sick and the poor?
Is Obama’s actions more similar to people who profess their faith in public but act differently privately, or more like those who keeps their good acts and prayers private?
Does Obama’s position on Christianity being one of many paths diminishes God’s greatness, or does it point to a God whose love is greater than any ordinary Christian would care to believe?
America is in troubled waters. Let us hope Obama’s moral compass navigates the country back into safer seas.



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JHo

posted November 12, 2008 at 6:15 pm


It’s really remarkable to have someone as our leader who speaks so thoughtfully and in depth about these most profound issues. All I can say to David R and those like him, I’m sorry for you. I’m sorry that religion has so narrowed you and closed you off, rather than opening you, as it appears to have done for Obama. Your response is the essence of smallminded dogma, and we should never stop fighting that spiritual smallness.
I’m not even sure why I’m responding to you; it just took my breath away to read such a profound conversation with our new President and have it be boiled down so mindlessly as you did. I hope you will one day see the true depth of Obama’s religious views, and the poverty of your own.



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anonymous

posted November 12, 2008 at 6:52 pm


Obama is no christian. He laughs nervously when asked about jesus; and characterizes Jesus as an historical figure and teacher who bridges the gap between the old and new testament. To Obama sin is not living in accordance with his values. This is a “floating” sense of sin which changes with his value structure. Christian sin is the failure to live up to absolute standards: worshipping false gods (putting “materialism” before god for instance); murder (whether literally or metaphorically), stealing (failing to honor other’s boundaries and property); gluttony (being controlled by your bodily desires). I won’t bore everyone with the seven deadly sins and the ten commandments. Sin is not relative – and, most certainly it is not as amorphous as going against “one’s values”. Obama’s failure to acknowledge Jesus smacks of narcissism; a self-centeredness; egotism and moreover, a failure to acknowledge that one is in need of guidance. Our acknowledgment that we do not know all the answers, that we are but a speck in the sands of time, that we are not the controllers of our world, and that there are many things we do not know – and cannot know – brings us to an acknowledge of god and his works. Jesus is not merely a teacher and historical figure: we need to acknowledge that he is greater than us so that we can discard the self-centerness that prevents us from truly becoming true christians. It is no accident that AA requires each person to recite that there is a “higher power” – so that each person can understand that they need help; that the world doesn’t evolve around them and that their actions are not faultless and that they require help. This leap away from narcissism is crucial to recovery.
Obama’s attendance at a church (for 20 years) that espouses hate is not Christian. Christianity’s answer to life is the concept of love and that each person is worthy in the eyes of god – that god loves us all – not merely the members of his church, his tribe, or his sect – but all of us and thus, we are all worthy. This concept discarded aristocracy and moved us into democracy – in which initally in the US only a landowner male could vote, then all white men, then non-white males and finally in the 20th century – women. The “working out” of the Christian ideal has brought us to animal rights, to the protection of people whose sexual orientation is different – to affirmative action. No true Christian could sit in that church and listen to messages of hate. I understand the need for community that Obama must feel and the need for social support as a mixed-race person – which no doubt Rev. Wright supplied – but, no Christian would listen to this hate mongering.
Obama is no Christian. His acknowleged relative sense of sin and narcissism definitionally exclude him being a true Christian. I hope he evolves



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LadyBeryl

posted November 12, 2008 at 7:17 pm


Saying Obama is not a Christian is bearing false witness and therefore a sin.



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loudNclear

posted November 12, 2008 at 8:10 pm


I feel uneasy with most of his responses regarding his faith as a Christian. I think he was addressing his answers to the general public, most of whom may not belief as he does.
Of course, he was not trying to preach here, or to proclaim Christ, or defend his faith, but rather to share his religious values with the public which to me is completely different from sharing one’s faith as a Christian.
Many Christians will not like these responses just like I do, but many others especially those of different religious background can appreciate his responses. I think BO was trying to be politically correct and tolerable.
Having said that, I do not doubt his claim to be a Christian. I think he is trying to explain a complex spiritual experience without using the Christian “jargon”. I bet you, if his audience were a bunch of evangelicals, this will have been totally a display of different mixture of words, axioms and anecdotes.
However, as a Christian myself, not to sound too dogmatic, I would have said it as it is. That is, instead of his response to who Jesus is, as a historical figure and a teacher (both of which is true), and (perhaps not to sound too off point) subtly added that he believed Jesus was a bridge between God and Man, I would have said it loud and clear; that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God – LORD and SAVIOR.



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mike tar

posted November 12, 2008 at 9:06 pm


Wow this is such a personality quiz! If anyone can read into Obama’s ideas anything evil as anonymous has tried they are really telling you something about themselves. It is kind of scary actually how so many words were so well organized to rationalize the antisocial hate behind them. When you see a painting of love birds in a tree and some anonymous person steps up to tell you that they just ate their children or something you first step back, then smile, then run.



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Torin

posted November 12, 2008 at 9:31 pm


John 20:28-29 (ESV)
28 Thomas answered him,“My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Obama said, “Jesus is an historical figure for me,…. a bridge between God and man,… And he’s also a wonderful teacher.” “I am a Christian.” “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power…”
John 14:6-7 (ESV)
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
If Obama was trying to get a job as pastor of my church, I’d be in an uproar. But he’s not. I voted for the man as president because he was the most qualified candidate available. His compassion for the poor is wonderful. His grasp of economics, foreign policy, and many other issues (except abortion) are wonderful. I believe he is sincere about what his beliefs are. But someone can be sincerely wrong. You can sincerely believe that 2 + 2 can equal 4, 5, or 9 depending on what “path” you take. But there is only one correct answer to the problem. The fact he is open and sincere about his beliefs (even if I don’t agree with them) is comforting to me. I think we have many “Christian” candidates for various offices that just use “Christianese” and talking points without truly being open about what they believe. Obama made himself open enough for Christians with orthodox beliefs like my own to see that we don’t agree with him. At least I don’t feel like he’s been trying to sell me a fake bill of goods, …yet.



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Travis

posted November 12, 2008 at 9:46 pm


I actually think that Obama is acting appropriately as a Christian. While I also may not necessarily agree with everything he says, based on Romans 14, I think that he is on the right track. I would also add that I think there is a big difference between speaking falsely out of fear and speaking honestly with respect for the needs of your audience. There are plenty of examples of both in the Bible. My impression is that this interview falls in the latter category.



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Kathy

posted November 12, 2008 at 10:39 pm


Obama is a christian
Now righwing PLEASE, move on and let the man do his job.
God knows we need him to succeed.
Be patriots and pray for him instead of trying to mutilate him the next 4 years.
PLEASE?



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Momma Sue

posted November 13, 2008 at 12:03 am


This is a transcript from an interview in 2004. What strikes me is how – after four undoubtedly tumultuous years – Obama has remained consistent in the way he speaks of his faith and steadfast in his personal spirituality of tolerance and the diversity of individual paths, awe and acceptance of the complexities beyond human understanding, appreciation of the importance of the separation of church and state informed by his study of constitutional law, and clearly a strong belief in core common values that rightly guide us true and unite us.



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Linda Rae

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:38 am


How refreshingly honest.He seems so human.
Obama is more of a spiritual person than a religious one.I like that because so am I.
Religion can become wrapped up in ego and power.Spirituality is about recognizing that we are all human beings and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.It recognizes that we are all connected by a common thread and that life is sacred. It inspires one to treat others in an honest and ethical fashion.That is why Obama has been so consistent all these years.He has internalized these values.They aren’t forced.He really “knows” what he believes.
Let the healing begin.



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numbertwopencil

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:03 am


That’s a lovely interview. Yes, I was also struck by how similar he sounds four years later. I’m having trouble thinking of any other politician who might give such a thoughtful interview. Sure, lots of people can quote the bible at length but Obama discusses his faith in a very personal way and makes sure his interviewer knows that he’s not sure about a lot. His faith is a process, something he strives for, not a blow to the head and sudden truth.
On a personal level, I feel very sympathetic to his views and his faith but politically speaking, I’d say this is a clear example of why I’d vote for someone who brings their religion to their office. He has a moral, not a fundamentalist, approach to integrating his religion into is poltics.
What a refreshing interview. I was a bit put off when I first read through it when he dodges a few questions or frames things to avoid a controversial answer but, on the second read, I saw that he’s not only self-conscious about sensitive topics but he’s self-effacing and genuinely modest about dealing with people he might disagree with. It’s too bad that, now that he’s president, he’s just not gong to be able to discuss these things at a level of detail that he must think about them. He’s moved his rhetoric more toward, oh, the style of King and Ghandi, operating only in policy details but avoiding rhetorical detail. Anyway, thanks for publishing the whole interview.



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Nanci

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:18 am


Thank you for publishing this interview in its entirety. It’s inspiring and encouraging. Obama’s spirituality is evident here and thank goodness he’s more spiritual than religious. It’s refreshing to have a leader who isn’t overly confident in his own perception of what constitutes moral certitude whilst at the same time having a very obvious moral compass. I like his way of explaining how he knows when he’s been inspired by the Holy Spirit and when it’s his own flesh. He obviously knows the difference and that is wonderful. I hope he will continue to be true to this and not lose his way in the fame and adulation. Of any one to be President in my lifetime, I think he’s the one that just might be able to do it. You and your family are daily in my prayers, President-elect Obama.



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186

posted November 13, 2008 at 10:04 am


Obama claim that “Jesus is an historical figure for me” is a bit odd especially because he never mentions Christ as The Son of God.
Obama also describing sin as something “out of alignment with his values” is a bit strange.
Tis shows Obama has a clear disconnect from Christian faith.



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BJA

posted November 13, 2008 at 10:40 am


To Gene [November 12, 2008 10:41 AM] and others espousing the anti-Obama screeds:
Stop. Just stop. Enough with Phillip Berg. Enough with the birth certificate. Enough with your criticism of where he lived and studied in grade school. Enough of all of it. I am truly fed up with every single word of the slanderous rants from the right wing of whatever party it is you belong to. I cannot find one word in the Bible that supports your use of lies. As a matter of fact, this is what I read in Exodus 23:1 (KJV): Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
Evangelicals and others in the religious right selected our outgoing president. Are these the Christian values you’re espousing?: Abuse of power, torture, war, destruction, lying, trashing our resources, polluting our land and water, ignoring the poor and the sick, greed and national bankruptcy. If so, I truly don’t think this country can survive another one of your selections.
While you may have been praying for your particular candidate, I was praying that we would use our God-given brains to vote wisely to select the president who will be the best person to lead us out of the mess of the past 8 years. I believe my prayers were answered. You may not have gotten the president you wanted, but I believe we got the president we need.



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1023

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:10 am


I have to agree with 186. Notmentioning that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God shows a clearly distorted view of the Christian faith.
Using terms such as “Religion” or “Spirituality” seem to detract from the truth. The truth is that Jesus came to save the lost, which we all are or were at some time. This crosses all racial, demographic, and geographical barriers.
Although Jesus and the first disciples and apostles were not necessarily political figures, they did interact with politicians, law, government, etc. Look at Peter’s and Paul’s speeches to rulers. Look at how Jesus interacted and responded to them. Read their teachings on how Christians are to treat non-believers and all people. You will see unconditional love and sacrifice for others, with no tolerance for sin (especially in the church).
It’s okay to be a leader, politician, religious figure, whatever, and not compromise the Word of God and still have the love of Christ for others (regardless of their beliefs).



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Eracos

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:50 am


Well I have to disagree with 186 and with 1023, I think you are missing something really big here about Obama’s approach. If anything his uncertainty and questioning shows a greater dedication to the inner workings of Christianity than most Christians I have met in my life. He may not lead with “Jesus Christ was the Son of God” as you thnk he ought to – but when he says he believes Jesus was a historical figure re-creating the ancient idea of a bridge between the Divine and Man, as a model for everyone – well, that shows a depth of exploration and understanding of the very idea of what it could mean to be the Son of God, which you say he is leaving out.



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BigGuy

posted November 13, 2008 at 12:56 pm


Thank you for posting this.
Some of what Obama says echoes Emerson. He may read “On Self-Reliance” from time to time.



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Skye

posted November 13, 2008 at 1:03 pm


186 & 1023: your intolerant fundamentalism is no different from Bin Laden’s intolerant fundamentalism. Not only do you say everyone has to believe in your religion or go to hell, you also say that everyone has to believe in your particular brand of of your religion.
The moment you say, “I’m saved, and you’re not” you separate yourself from the God you profess to worship. God loves all equally, no matter how “bad” you think they are.
A father doesn’t scold his one year old when he falls down, no matter how many times he falls down. He says, “You’re doing great. Here, let me help you up. Come this way, you’re doing great.” I will never believe that, after the 100th fall, or the hundredth year, God would say to anyone, “Sorry but you’re screwed. Hell for you. You didn’t learn to come to me in time.”
The reason you feel bad when you see someone behaving badly is not because they’re bad, but because in that moment you separate yourself from God, who ALWAYS LOVES THEM. Even the bad ones.



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Cindy

posted November 13, 2008 at 1:20 pm


I hate to hear people who think they have Christians figured out. They know the talk but their tone shows they don’t know what they’re talking about. The bottom line is this: he sat in a church listening to hate messages when he told the world he didn’t. That to me is a lie. I would have rather he admit it up front and say he was leaving for a better church or even if he said he liked what he heard, but to blantantly lie. I see how he tries to make himself look “Christian”, but the fruits aren’t there. Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruits”. He may be spiritual, but I don’t know what spirit he is talking about.



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demablogue

posted November 13, 2008 at 1:30 pm


This is the exact kind of noncomittal tripe that describes your average “Sunday Christian.”
It’s nice to be faithful in church but God forbid you carry your belief with you into the world.
The sheer narcisim involved in saying that sin is, “Being out of alignment with my values”
Sin is being out of alignment with GOD’S values. Of course, there are a few other points where he chooses to liken himself to God in this interview.
The people who will read this and say Obama is a Christian, are non-Christians.
Christians inherently follow Christ. Christ says that he is the way to God. There is not some vast miasma of paths that lead to God, there is one path.
Before you condemn me for judging him, pay attention. He is speaking in terms of Christianity, so I am responding on those terms. He has a great sense of alrtuism, humanism, and spirituality, sure. However, by his own words in this, and every, interview he is decidedly not Christian.
Christians are not called to praise God on the sabbath and forget about Christianity in the effort to not offend people. Christians are called to be Christ-like (hence the word, Christ-ian) To do so is to spread the truth of God, to live the life of Christ as best you can. The LIFE of Christ, not the hour of Christ on Sunday.
The fact that people of faith don’t challenge his utter disregard for basic tenets of Christianity is concerning to say the least…



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 1:48 pm


To the geniuses who denounce Obama’s citizenship, I have this to say:
1. I regard Obama as a political fraud along with all the rest of them. He’s going to be strictly a 1-termer when he proves incapable of bringing about any substantive change. I don’t take any of this pro-abortionist’s expressed religious views seriously, any more than I could take seriously the expressed religious views of any Kali human sacrifice worshipper.
2. BUT Obama is most emphatically a US citizen who can be (and is) elected president. It is a common error to think that a US citizen born outside the US is somehow ineligible to the office of president. The Constitution says that the president must be a “natural” born citizen, not a “native” born citizen. So all the hogwash about his Hawaiian birth certificate or whether he was born in Kenya is utterly irrelevant.
People who oppose Obama should do so on substantive grounds, and not dishonor themselves with invented technicalities.



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Carrie

posted November 13, 2008 at 1:57 pm


Do ANY of you ignorant people realize that Hawaii is a STATE and was a STATE when Obama was born???????



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Skye

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm


Sorry to rock your boat, demablogue, but God is Love, Joy, Power and Wisdom, and when I am in alignment with God, I experience Love, Joy, Power and Wisdom. The instant I say, “You are damned because you don’t worship God using the correct formula,” you separate yourself from God.
In reply you will say, the Bible says such and such, and therefore I am right. I have one answer to that. The Bible is not the experience of standing in constant communion with God, and everyone is equally qualified to experience that communion, no secret handshake required. The Bible may point the way, but as the Zen masters say, “Look at the fool who points at the moon, then mistakes his finger for the moon itself.”
God’s children will never need a book, or a church or a community to tell them what their connection to God must be. Everyone’s connection to God is a given, and the Love, Joy, Power and Wisdom that I feel in His presence is the only proof I need that His Love has not a hint of the hatred and exclusion that seems to be all the rage.
So, you know what is in President-elect Obama’s heart? How is this? You know what his connection with his creator is? Amazing!



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Astrid

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:30 pm


If you “don’t know what kind of spirit he’s talking about”, you’re the one who’s confused, not Barack Obama.



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Brian

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:37 pm


Having been a fire-and-brimstone Baptist Christian for seven years of my life, and having thereafter evolved into an agnostic with an atheistic philosophy, I greatly admire Obama’s belief system. It is the right kind of mindset to have as a Christian.
My former strain of Christianity is a sect that degrades humanity and the limited time we have here on Earth. It does not promote the wonderful human virtue of tolerance. It does not promote fairness. It does not promote rationality (see the 4/5ths of the world in Hell statement). It does not promote realistic family cohesion and love. In fact, that faith broke up my family and continues to have unfortunate consequences to this day since I left it six years ago. I learned that religious certainty – as espoused heavily by my former faith – is truly a soul- and mind-killing poison.
Obama, with his beliefs, is what we truly need at the helm of government at this turning point in American history.



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:39 pm


Carrie, the Hawaiian birth certificate non-issue wasn’t based on whether Hawaii was a state, but whether the Hawaiian birth certificate was “faked” with Obama “really” being born in Kenya. Even if Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate were a fake (it’s not) and he were born in Kenya, it would make no difference as to his eligibility for president. Again, the Constitution says that a qualification for president is that he be a “natural” born citizen, not “native” born.



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Deb

posted November 13, 2008 at 2:59 pm


Why do we lambast a good man (Christians – hah!) for the way he states his beliefs, and if you don’t want him in your club because of it, well then he’s probably use to that, isn’t he. I think if you confronted Obama on his wording, he’d say, “okay u got me there, but I think you know what i mean”. We should all walk in his shoes, and we’d probably find that they look a lot like sandals. It just astounds me that people can be so nasty (what would Jesus do?) when it comes to people’s faith bases – it’s what has caused thousands of years of suffering in the name of an exclusive savior – ironic at a minimum. What did Obama call it? religious certainty – which sorta counters the meaning of the word faith, doesn’t it?



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:10 pm


Deb, just a question.
How many unborn babies did Jesus kill?
As a point of reference, I’m not a Christian. Whoever supports killing unborn babies is as out of touch with God as anyone who supports any other kind of human sacrifice.



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PKFagan

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:15 pm


Not sure Obama’s too clear on the principles of grace,forgiveness of sin, redemption,and resurrection (calling yourself a “Christian” is predicated on belief in these concepts). If he believes that “What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.” then he’s missing the foundational aspects of Christianity in that it’s not how good he can be, it’s acknowledging that none of us is “good” or ever will be, but that Christ came to take the burden of sin from us. By inviting Christ into our hearts, only through Him (or Her) can we lead “lives fulfilled” which entails acts of “goodness” as well as countless failures forgiven.
Also, he defines “sin” as ” being out of alignment with his (own) values.” This is frightening to me, since we all carry around values of our own. I wonder if Hitler thought he was “aligned in his values” as he went about massacring the Jews. As a Christian, I believe sin is anything outside of God’s will. The concept doesn’t rotate around my values. I’m thankful for that, since if you left it to me, I’d tell you that I’m a whole lot less “full of sin” than God would. This is called “rationalization.” There’s no room for redemption if it’s up to me and my values.
I didn’t really know what Obama’s spiritual orientation was, so I appreciate the article. I think he’s a very well-meaning person, but he appears to be what I would call a “roll your own” Christian. These folks are quite popular. I don’t judge them at all – they simply shouldn’t call themselve Christians. I share a lot of his views, particularly his points about proselytizing and having a monopoly on Truth. I don’t have all the answers (either); my only point is that if you call yourself a Christian, there are some basic beliefs involved. Obama should tell people he is a “man of faith.”
Then again, that wouldn’t bring the votes in the US, now would it. : )



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dory

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm


well… i feel MUCH better now!….seriously!…over the last year, i have heard MANY people talk about how they were SURE obama had a hidden agenda….and was a closet-muslim…..now that i have read HIS OWN WORDS…they mirror my beliefs, …almost exactly…..i say God bless him…and God bless us all…we truly, truly NEED it now….and i’m not so sure we deserve it…..we have acted like the world’s biggest bullies, for far too long… we SHARE this planet….with other people, animals, and plants….and, until we really understand that…we will be doomed to failure…just like greece….just like rome…..just like egypt…..just like EVERY other arrogant, all-consuming, self-important parasite has in history…and…i am glad my parents and grandparents didn’t live to see this shameful implosion we are suffering now!..talk about KARMA!!… i just hope there is an AMERICA left, when it’s over… for my daughters… and their children, who have yet to be born!



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Your Name

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:36 pm


Here’s the best part of this issue. You are accusing ME of arguing in the context of Christianity. I do not call Barack Obama a Christian, he does.
If you claim to be a Christian, and then the words you say are antithetical to Christian doctrine (ignoring the words of Christ himself) then you are incorrect. I don’t claim to be right, I BELIEVE I am right, but I am going on faith.
Let’s do a word excercise. Dictionary.com defines Christian as:
Chris?tian? ?/?kr?st??n/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kris-chuhn] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn’t Christian.
–noun 7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ: He died like a true Christian.
9. a member of any of certain Protestant churches, as the Disciples of Christ and the Plymouth Brethren.
10. the hero of Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress.
11. a male given name.
This is about as non-religious an approach to the term as you can take. However, even in a purely analytical, secular view, you still have to defer to the SOURCE of the concept: Christ.
Unfortunately, Skye, you can’t burst my bubble. I’m basing my analysis of his words on the only actual reference for Christianity, Christ. I do not say that Barack Obama is NOT a spiritual man, or a child of God. I simply say that a Christian who ignores Christ is, by definition, not Christian.
Remember, HE brought it into Christianity…I did not label him Christian, he labels himself Christian. You can be a “good person” and not be a Christian. I’m not the judge, but I refuse to stand by while people dilute Christianity to anything OTHER than the following of Jesus Christ. If you don’t like what Jesus said, did, or stands for, then don’t be Christian.
You can cutely dismiss my argument because I quoted scripture; however, your dismissal will be revealed as invalid by anyone with even a rudimentary level of understanding. Let me explain this concept by analogy for you.
Barack Obama says, “I’m a burger king guy because I agree Big Macs, fries, and shakes.”
You say, “SEE?!? HE DOES LOVE FAST FOOD!”
I say, “Wait, Big Macs come from McDonalds”
You say, “Don’t you point to the menu!!!! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE HIS TASTE IN FAST FOOD.”
I say, “He can like fast food all day but, Big Macs still come from McDonalds, so if he likes them, he’s not a Burger King guy.”
You have to take HIS argument in context…if you take it out of the context he frames it, you take your opinion out of relevance.



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Deb

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:38 pm


Patrick, I’ll assume you’re calling the beginning of life at the time of conception. If so, be careful. Forms of widely used contraception, IUD’s for example as well the popular invitro fertilization process involve the discarding of unused embryos. I’ll assume you are also against capital punishment



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Francis

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:38 pm


Cathleen, why did you hold off on posting this until after the election? Don’t you think the voters are entitled to have all available information when making a decision on who should be leader of the free world? Would you have held off on posting an interview with John McCain if he had ties to similar religious figures like Wright and Pfleger?
On the interview itself:
Interesting, I always thought that sin was being out of alignment with God’s values…
So Obama attended Trinity every week and he never heard Rev. Wright utter a racist or anti-semitic rant? I’m sure the President-elect is being quite forthcoming regarding that.
“Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.” Scary. Any person with common sense, left, right or center, would run, not walk, away from a Father Pfleger.



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1023

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:54 pm


It’s funny that a lot of arguments that Christians are intolerant, judgemental, etc. and that we are condemning people to hell is erroneous. Granted, there are judgemental people, Christian and non-Christian. What really needs to be looked at is the teachings and life of Jesus, who by the way did claim to be the Son of God. He was very implicit as to being the Son of God, not merely a bridge between humanity and spirituality. He came to make a way for people to be reconciled with God and forgiven of their sins, otherwise why would He have willingly laid down his life?
Therefore, being a Christian is NOT becoming a member of a certain church or organization and then telling everyone else they are wrong and going to hell. Being a Christian means you follow Christ, His teachings and His example and you submit yourself to God’s ways of doing things. Obama has the same opportunity as anyone else to submit himself to the true Jesus or to reject Him. Everyone will make this choice. It is God’s way, not a manmade way of condemning people.



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 3:59 pm


Deb,
We’re not discussing abortion itself. What we’re discussing is Obama’s position on abortion, which includes his infamous support for even killing babies who somehow survive the abortion process. No such person can be regarded as being in tune with God in any religion or in any way a spiritual person. Obama is a good speaker, but not all of us are fooled by him. And after the disillusionment about him when he can’t deliver his promised “change” sets in a year or two from now, a majority of us won’t be fooled.



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Dick_Hertz

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:00 pm


Universalism is the voice of God unbound by the dogma of small hateful minds. So many self-described “Christians” are merely bigots who use the big black book to justify their prejudices. Can you picture Dobson washing someone’s feet? How does Cindy, for example, know what Jeremiah Wright preaches? By the slander of others? Because Steve Doocy told her he preaches hate? What I hear from the man himself belies that notion, and many other slanders and libels slung at President Elect Obama.



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Skye

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:04 pm


Oh, Your Name! That’s the problem with the Bible or any scripture. It can be interpreted in any way you choose, and then you claim your interpretation is the correct one. So go practice your religion and call it whatever you like, and let everyone else practice theirs and call it whatever they want to! Why do you infernal fundamentalists want to force everyone into your terminology, definitions and system of religious practice?
This election was not the defeat of Republicans, but of narrow-mindedness, of us vs them, of intolerance. The intolerant are finally going to be more and more marginalized in the society & world. Palin was the last dying gasp of intolerance. Please God, let Palin be the 2012 Republican nominee!



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Becky

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:06 pm


Thank goodness
Obama is a man of reason! If more Christians had his understanding of faith vs dogma the world would be so much better informed, sensible and intellectually honest. Yay Obama! I applaud his value system and look forward to having a man of the enlightenment in office again. finally



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Your Name

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:40 pm


PKFagan said:
“Also, he defines “sin” as ” being out of alignment with his (own) values.” This is frightening to me, since we all carry around values of our own. I wonder if Hitler thought he was “aligned in his values” as he went about massacring the Jews. As a Christian, I believe sin is anything outside of God’s will. The concept doesn’t rotate around my values. I’m thankful for that, since if you left it to me, I’d tell you that I’m a whole lot less “full of sin” than God would. This is called “rationalization.” There’s no room for redemption if it’s up to me and my values.”
PKFagan, you may not realize it but when you claim that sin is anything outside God’s will you are rationalizing too. You are just not aware enough to admit that your view of sin comes from you. Obama sounds like he is aware of this, thankfully.
I find it funny that you claim to know what God would say about your sin, and then you accuse Obama of being the one who is disingenuous.



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Thoams

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm


Won’t Christ decide who is and is not a Christian? Isn’t it up to God who is ultimately saved?____Confidence is a wonderful thing, and I’m glad so many people have faith in their own judgement, but I’m not sure your opinion, or mine, ultimately matters… in the least. I’m not sure your interpretation of the Bible, or mine, matters. God is. God is not our delusions.____If the man choses to call himself a Christian, I won’t contradict him. I’ll pray for him and I am grateful for the prayers of others.____Usurping the judgement and wrath of God is an obvious and common violation of the first commandment. It is also the ultimate example of narcissism. I don’t think I would go to Barak Obama to be taught religion, but I don’t believe he’s offered to teach it. I hope he will be a good president. I do not believe I am perfect in my faith. I try my best. I doubt Obama is perfect in his faith. I am pleased to read that it is likely that he shares that doubt. I have greater reservations about people who believe they are perfect in their faith.



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Janna

posted November 13, 2008 at 4:52 pm


Tolerance is the key word here – be tolerant. We’re all human beings, we all live on the same planet, we’re all going to die, and we all have some belief about afterlife – yet no one knows for sure about God, it’s all in your own belief system. There are billions of different believers. Let’s all be tolerant and treat others the way you would want to be treated…respectfully. I’m quite pleased that our democracy worked – that people voted – and that we’ll have someone who I consider enlightened and tolerant of others beliefs heading our country.



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Demablogue

posted November 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm


Pointing out something IN CONTEXT is not being intolerant, or judgemental. If you say you are Christian, you must accept basic tenets of what it means to be Christian.
God will judge us on God’s terms, Christianity is a MAN-MADE term. It means: One who follows Christ.
This is a non-argument. If you follow Christ, you are Christian. If you don’t, you aren’t. It isn’t about judgement or acceptance. Christianity is a man-made construct with defined ideas and rules based on the words of Christ. It’s not about interpretation, it’s about a structure for faith, a defined set of “truths.” The “truths” in question are simple:
Jesus is God made flesh
Jesus is the son of God
Jesus speaks the truth of God
Jesus Christ die to save man
The only path to God is Jesus Christ
The only resource for Jesus’s words is the Gospel. That said, if you are Christian, you must accept these tenets, because they are Jesus’s words in the only known reference, Gospel. If you reject any of these tenets, then you are not Christian. Whether you are right or wrong is a different argument, and isn’t relevant to this conversation.
Any attempt to bring this argument OUT of this context is being judgemental because you open the discussion to correct vs incorrect. The discussion is simple, is Obama a Christian.
I say no, because his words contradict basic tenets of Christianity (words of Jesus Christ himself) This doesn’t mean he is bad, or isn’t trying, it simply means that he has hurdles to being a Christian.
In determining if someone is a Christian, there isn’t a grey-area. It isn’t a negotiable status. You either believe in, and strive to follow Jesus Christ as your savior, or you aren’t a Christian yet.
I’m not passing judgement on anyone, I’m not saying they are morally correct or incorrect. I’m addressing the contextual argument. Anyone accusing people on either side of intolerance or narrow-mindedness should do the same.
Until you address the argument, you fail and your point is invalid.
-Demablogue



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Bill Moore

posted November 13, 2008 at 7:41 pm


I find it a shame that some are so rigid in their dogmatic view of the world that they wouldn’t find Obama’s approach both refreshing and excitingly common. It’s very close to what everyone I know from the small town I grew up in (a very Christen community) truly believes.



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Butch Maltby

posted November 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm


In January of 2006 I met Senator Obama in Israel with my 16 year old son. We were staying at The King David Hotel. He was curious about the country and compassionate in his comments.
I liked him then.
I appreciate him even more today.



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Chuck from Vancouver

posted November 13, 2008 at 8:24 pm


Thanks Ms. Falsani for a very good interview.



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John Hanks

posted November 13, 2008 at 8:34 pm


I am somewhat reassured about Obama’s beliefs and thought processes. I am very worried about his favoritism regarding Israel and its Zionist causes. A Zionist chief of staff is just plain scary.



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Jim

posted November 13, 2008 at 9:12 pm


It is becoming apparent to me that Obama may well turn out to be a great spiritual leader as well as a great political leader. That is just what the world needs at this time–more inclusive spirituality, less devisive religion.



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Justin clinging to his Guns and Religion

posted November 13, 2008 at 9:37 pm


Why wasn’t this made public before the election? Funny how so many people bury items that can and will be used against the self-appointed messiah. Cathleen Falsani, thank you for putting the full interview out there. This re-affirms Obama’s political silly-putty: he is willing to throw away his Christian values because it does not support his own liberal belief system. He equates himself to the likes of Lincoln and Ghandi, yet could not be farther from them! It is shameful and narcissistic to to say such things. The new president-elect is my family’s example of how not to act in society.



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Your Name

posted November 13, 2008 at 9:40 pm


I did not find Obama’s comments “refreshing” or “excitingly common”. I found them somewhat contradictory, as Demablogue seemed to. He states he is a Christian, but based on his comments, doesn’t practice Christianity fully. I believe he is like so many Americans who are more focused on themselves and what makes them feel good rather than living to honor a God or the basic truths of Christianity (or any other religion). I also found his comments that Fox News and talk radio were “dangerous” to be quite disturbing… Not very open minded. I’m also not surprised to see the comments discribing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a “good friend” — contradicting his comments during the campaign. The more I learn about Obama, the more scared I get…



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"Dangerous" Talk Radio Fan

posted November 13, 2008 at 9:45 pm


Justin — I’m with you on all counts.



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Phil

posted November 13, 2008 at 10:27 pm


A W Tozes in speaking of the liberal churches of the day said ” These will not quite give up the Bible, neither will they quite believe it”



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Jeremy

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:14 pm


I once had a Southern Baptist for a boss who was very assured of the correctness of his views and beliefs. We had frequent conversations about faith and Christ. I often asked him his views on a variety of other religions from around the world. His response was always that he new nothing of them and had no desire to because his Bible was all he needed. This is the type of attitude that the devout Christian often celebrates. My question is why? Is reading Buddhist or Taoist works as an intellectual exercise going to shake your faith or make you a worshipper of false idols? In any case



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:18 pm


Your Name wrote:
“I believe he [Obama] is like so many Americans who are more focused on themselves and what makes them feel good rather than living to honor a God or the basic truths of Christianity (or any other religion).”
You’ve got that 100% right!
And I will add that Obama’s false god isn’t just the idol of the Hindu monkey god Hanuman that he carries with him (see the Google News link I’m posting with this) Obama’s false god is really the solipsistic Obama himself, making it all up as he goes along with neither reverence nor reference to the highest power.



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Jeremy

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:21 pm


… the Bible is written and edited by MEN who are fallible. I know the argument of divine inspiration but it holds no water for me. And, I don’t know a Christian who follows the precise word of the Bible. So, where do you draw the line? I say be tolerant, be curious, and seek the truth everywhere. Perhaps you’ll be reassured of your faith, or perhaps you’ll be swayed, but either way, you’ll be striving to be better than you are today, and thus, making the world better than it is.



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Patrick

posted November 13, 2008 at 11:23 pm


Your Name wrote:
“I believe he [Obama] is like so many Americans who are more focused on themselves and what makes them feel good rather than living to honor a God or the basic truths of Christianity (or any other religion).”
You’ve got that 100% right!
And I will add that Obama’s false god isn’t just the idol of the Hindu monkey god Hanuman that he carries with him. See this Google News link:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=hanuman+obama
Obama’s false god is really the solipsistic Obama himself, making it all up as he goes along with neither reverence nor reference to the highest power.



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Demablogue

posted November 14, 2008 at 1:19 am


Jeremy, this excuse doesn’t play in this conversation. The fallibility of the men who wrote and compiled biblical scripture STILL isn’t relevant to the context of the argument.
The FACT remains that Christianity is based on the words of Christ, as we know them. We know them through the Bible, as there is no other source. Fallible or not, those words are the basis. Therefore, Christian tenets are still based on them.
Stop arguing right vs wrong and start arguing in the context established. Barack Obama, is definitively not Christian because of his refusal to adhere to basic doctrine integral to the concept Christian. There is a difference between tolerance and surrender. Christians tolerate all sorts of people, but they do not surrender their convictions to protect feelings.
Oddly enough, you will ALSO find this in the words of Christ. Christ doesn’t say go out an make everyone feel good. He calls us to challenge each other to be better than what we are. Blanket acceptance of all people, yes. Blanket acceptance of all people’s ideas, hardly. Again, by definition, not Christian.
Try again! You guys are ALMOST there!



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Emilio

posted November 14, 2008 at 1:54 am


Living by the “Golden Rule” should be the only religion any thinking person should need. Forget about the Bible, or the equivalent texts of the other great religions, I’m sure they all have passages that are educational and inspirational, however they were all cobbled together by flawed human beings and as such are tainted. One should approach the comparative study of relgions as an academic exercise, gleening from each whatever brings the intellect and the emotions into harmony. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.



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posted November 14, 2008 at 2:01 am


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jane

posted November 14, 2008 at 2:10 am


the commenters who say they do not believe that Obama is a christian just because he did not say in so many words that Jesus is the ‘Son of God’ etc. is disturbing because in many of the churches I have gone to just saying Jesus is enough to identify Him. Nothing else need be said. And in many churches



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Patrick

posted November 14, 2008 at 8:29 am


Obama isn’t a Christian; but neither was Jesus.
The difference is that Jesus transcended self by teaching obedience to God’s Law and Prophets, not obedience to Obama’s “civic religion” or Obama’s allegiance to one’s own self.
If
“Better a millstone around your neck and plunged into the sea than you harm one of these little ones”
Jesus saw what had become of his teachings and how they are misused to rationalize the killing of unborn babies, he’d vomit.
Then again, he’d have to do his throwing up at Guantanamo. If Jesus came to the US now and turned out the abortionists from the churches the way he turned out the moneychangers from the temple like he did back then, he’d be subject to imprisonment as a terrorist under the USA Patriot Act.
Unlike the “messiah” Obama, who has never faced arrest in any protest but who legislates the death of the unborn from a comfy chair in his taxpayer-furnished office.



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Paul Christopher

posted November 14, 2008 at 9:29 am


Sounds like Patrick is heavily into retribution. But of course, only in the loving Christian tradition. I say give him a break, his thinking must be clouded by the sleep deprivation caused by caring for so many of infants he’s adopted. Try a little love, Pat…



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Jeff

posted November 14, 2008 at 10:28 am


I think you’re all nuts.



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George

posted November 14, 2008 at 11:03 am


This is a very revealing interview. Three things I learned: 1) Obama is not a true Christian (he essentially debunks the Bible’s authority on Jesus Christ being God Incarnate) 2)He is more secular than I had originally thought and I fear that his policies will reflect this view 3)It’s astounding how many people have written in support of his unitarian “religious” beliefs to the point of deifying him as the Messiah. It boggles the mind and does injury to the soul.



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Patrick

posted November 14, 2008 at 12:24 pm


I previously made clear that I’m not a Christian.
Anyway, Mr. Christopher doesn’t have to worry about my being “heavily into retribution”.
But Mr. Christopher might want to consider the likelihood that after 2 years of upcoming disillusionment, when Obama’s bogus “change” has emerged as one of the biggest political farces and frauds of modern times, that his party will be out in either or both houses of Congress; and that in 4 years, Obama himself will become the first one-term president in 20 years.
Now, THAT’S retribution.
As for showing a little more love, I don’t think I need to take any lessons in it from anyone who supports Obama’s defense of killing even the few babies that somehow survive the abortion process.



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Your Name

posted November 14, 2008 at 12:36 pm


Jesus as the Son of God is equal to God the Father,Himself. A true Christian believes in the Trinity, God the Father, God, the Son and God, the Holy Spirit. Obama has no revelation in him concerning who Jesus is and what He has done for mankind. Jesus died on the cross and paid for all the sins of mankind. There is only one way to be saved, and that is through a confession of Jesus Chrit as Devine Savior and Lord. Obama has no revelation from the Holy Spirit in him, and attributes his wisdom and knowledge to an inner dialogue with self. This revelation comes out of a mixture of hinduism and secularism which accepts Jesus as a teacher or prophet of one of the religions, but not as the one and only Savior. That is the reason he can kill babies and compromise virtues on behalf of what he calls a greater good. The devil himself can give inner nudgings to Obasma and pervert the real truth. The reason he dislikes Bin Laden is not what he stood for, but his method of achieving it. What is the difference between killing defenseless babies in the womb and Bin Laden killing people who are alive to achieve his aim?



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aghast

posted November 14, 2008 at 1:56 pm


The dogmatic posts here are an affront to faith and to any notion of tolerance and charity.
Don’t presume to tell others what a True Christian believes. You may have noticed that there is no universal understanding of what Christianity is even among the standard sects, much less in the world at large, where Christianity is a minority religion and always has been.
If you were truly a faith-holder, it should be enough that you believe something yourself, don’t try to inflict your faith on others.



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luke

posted November 14, 2008 at 2:02 pm


I want to join with those who mention the delight that they feel when reading this. Finally. Finally. Finally. Someone who gets it. But, to gloat on this fact… to be anything other than humbly grateful and to keep doing good, would be divisive. Obama gets that. And, blast, I wish I could just revel and and roll around in this moment of schadenfreude. But, I can’t. If I really believe what Obama does here, then I keep my head up and keep doing good. They will know we are Obama’s kind of Christians by our love. Yes, I am so filled with hope and joy that finally the loud minority of _____ (fill in the blank with you term: fundamentalist Christians, conservative evangelicals, Falwell/Dobson/Religious Right, etc.) no longer shouts loud enough to drown out the rest of us who are somewhere else on the long journey of faith, but to make it about their defeat is exactly what Obama has gotten past. Screw retribution. Let’s help some people out.



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posted November 14, 2008 at 2:22 pm


Do not underestimate the power of dogma – a specific tenet or doctrine. To Christians it represents the teachings of Jesus Christ. Far from being an affront to faith, it defines it. Despite our own Cloud of Unknowing, and in spite of our efforts to claim truth as our own invention, universal truth is found in the Logos inscripted in the Bible. Ask for wisdom and ye shall receive.



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Arjun

posted November 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm


Obama is very right. There is no real evidence whatsoever that the spiritual laws of the Universe treat humans differently based on their religion, just like there is no evidence that the physical laws of the Universe apply differently to people of different faiths.
It is obvious that the claims that only Christians get to be with God or only Muslims get to be God is ancient bunkum conjured up by ancient flawed humans who did not know better.
Thank the God of all humanity that we have a true person of God in the white-house instead of a dogma trapped bigot. As a Hindu I affirm that all creation irrespective of religion, gender, sexual orientation is is a manifestation of God’s energy.
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Demablogue

posted November 14, 2008 at 2:39 pm


This is one of the most terrifying statements yet made:
They will know we are Obama’s kind of Christians by our love.
Thanks, Luke, for pointing out just how dangerous it is for individuals to define their own faith.
As a Christian, I will follow the words of Christ. As whatever you are(Obamian?), you can follow the words of Obama. Unfortunately, you still will not be Christian if you reject the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Aghast, you are incorrect. ALL Christians, regardless of denominaiton, belive in a core set of tenets (Christian doctrine, Christ is God, Christ saved man) They disagree over prejudices fostered by 16th century European propaganda that linger to this day, and mere technicalities. However, you cannot find a Christian church that denies the basics about Jesus Christ. It is impossible, because to be Christian, you have to follow Christ.
It’s not religion, it’s not dogma, it’s definition. The word Christian means follower of Christ, if you don’t follow Christ, you can’t be defined as Christian.
Freudian psychologists cannot, by definition, reject the teachings of Freud…when they do they change to something else (Jungian?) they redefine themselves, but they can no longer be Freudian.
You are continuing to fail in the argument category. Argue in context. Or have you figured it out yet that this is a non argument because it’s definition by empirical evidence?
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posted November 14, 2008 at 2:42 pm


Dogma and tolerance:____The Christian faith is not something man invented. We do not believe it primarily because it makes sense, although it does not contradict reason. We believe it because of the Person, Jesus Christ, who revealed it to us. It is a faith of revelation. Jesus if God and cannot lie, so what he says does and reveal is true. Dogma is about being faithful to the truth revealed to us. Truth exist apart from us and we have the capacity to understand it and follow it. One can be more faithful to the revelation or less. This is true in ordinary life. If you believe a ship is sea-worthy, but it actually has numerous mechanical problems and sinks, then your faith was in error. Tolerance in Obama’s sense is never telling anyone that their beliefs are incorrect. For him, faith does not admit of error or criticism. In reality, tolerance is allowing people to come to the truth on their own terms whitout manipulating them or forcing them. It does not mean not telling them when their faith is in error. The only people Obama does not tolerate are those that have a clear understanding of the Truth of Jesus Christ. Throughout history, all manner of things have been done in the name of the type of tolerance Obama champions. That is what has so many scared.



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Tyndl Feine

posted November 14, 2008 at 3:27 pm


As a Christian I am not allowed to judge a person. Period. That task is up to God. What Obama said in this interview, even if evasive and incomplete at times, made sense. Obama believes in the separation of church and state. He believes in choice, rights, freedom and equality. He has to manage his moral values, based on his Christian beliefs, with his civic values, based on his view of government. We do not live in a theocratic society, we live in a democracy – a republic, founded in the name of God, but not exclusive to one belief in God. “Freedom of religion” means just that, the good and the bad (in whose ever opinion you might choose). In “Freedom of speech”, you have to tolerate the hateful words of the Klan as well as the angry outbursts of homosexuals. The Catholic Church and other fundamental ecclesial communities are at war, not with Obama, but with democracy. The challenge is in finding ways to cooperate and live together even though there may be many differences. I know in my hearts that as long as we are consumed solely on the symptoms of social degradation, like the so-called right to life issues: war, abortion, research, capital punishment, euthanasia, disease, famine or torture; then we will be doomed to fail because we are not focusing on the causes: loss of morals, decline in ethics, disintegration of the family, greed, avarice, or if you wish the seven deadly sins. It takes time to deal with the causes but that is our challenge and I think Obama knows this.



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turquoise

posted November 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm


I agree with all those people who were touched by Obama’s words. He represents the future spirituality of humanity, God willing. I would like to ask about the abortion issue (Christian fundamentalists or other angry people abstain from answering, please. Can anyone in a nice manner clear this point about Obama advocating not giving life support to babies that survive abortion. To my knowledge, he is against abortion in the late stages of pregnancy, except when the life of the mother is in danger. Roe v wade enables abortion before the baby is viable, so there’s something here I don’t understand.



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Mike Ghouse

posted November 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm


I feel in tune with Obama and most people who may have realized the purpose of religion may fee in tune with him.
To be religious is to be a peacemaker, one who seeks to mitigate conflicts and nurtures goodwill for peaceful co-existence. God wants us to live in peace and harmony with his creation; that is indeed the purpose of religion, any religion.
Oneness of God is also expressed as oneness of the creation, oneness of the humanity and oneness of the people.
The phrase like God is one; world is one express Unity of the universe referred to as numerical number “one”. It is a large embrace of diverse people to live together without conflict, when you do that, you have embraced them all and a sense of oneness surfaces. A conflictless world is one.
If we can learn to accept and respect the God given uniqueness of each one of the 7 billion of us, then conflicts fade and solutions emerge; peaceful co-existence.
One may wonder how each group praises the lord, to many it remains a myth as they are afraid to explore the truth; they have a sneaky suspicion that other ways of praising the divine is as legitimate as their own and erroneously believe that it would amount to infidelity to their own faith.
The guardians of the faith have a vested interest in promoting the idea that their faith is the best, and others are deficient, or even inferior or illegitimate. This protects their interests, but spiritually they are wrong, a majority of the people believe otherwise, they simply want to get along with others and do not believe for a moment that, their good friends who follow another faith will not receive God’s grace, they instinctively know that God will not cheat them.
When my daughter Mina was little, I took her and her brother Jeff to every place of worship… and then I would share the essence of what they pray or sing…One day, Mina’s excitement floored me; she exclaimed “Gee dad, it is cool that God can be worshipped in so many different ways.” Indeed, each way is beautiful to the believer. Like they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I would say “faith is in the heart of the believer”.
To be spiritual is to live in humility. Arrogance and spirituality are mutually exclusive or inversely proportional to each other; the greater the arrogance, lower the spirituality and vice versa. Claiming a faith to be superior is sheer arrogance as it knocks the humility and spirituality out, indeed, it is the source of conflict and puts one on missionizing exercises.
The goodness of one’s faith does not hinge on the perceived or propagandized badness of other faiths, each faith is good and beautiful to the believer. When we can get to the point of appreciating every faith, it brings liberation to you from the binding emotions, and you achieve Nirvana, Moksha, Mukti, Nijaat or Salvation.
Mike Ghouse
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Mike Ghouse

posted November 14, 2008 at 6:09 pm


Indeed Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teressa, MLK and Prophet Muhammad are my mentors along with Abraham Lincoln and Obama.
Obama has been consistently a peace maker and an inclusive person
Mike Ghouse
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Demablogue

posted November 14, 2008 at 6:18 pm


Turquoise, the key is to look at the Freedom of Choice act and Obama’s pledge to sign it into law as “the first bill [he] signs into law”
This quote is from BarackObama.com I’ll let him speak for himself:
“When South Dakota passed a law banning all abortions in a direct effort to have Roe overruled, I was the only candidate for President to raise money to help the citizens of South Dakota repeal that law. When anti-choice protesters blocked the opening of an Illinois Planned Parenthood clinic in a community where affordable health care is in short supply, I was the only candidate for President who spoke out against it. And I will continue to defend this right by passing the Freedom of Choice Act as president.”
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act)
“The Freedom of Choice Act (H.R. 1964/S. 1173) is a bill in the United States Congress which, if enacted, would abolish all restrictions and limitations on the right of women in the United States to have an abortion prior to fetal viability, whether at the State or Federal level.”
And here’s a transcript of the bill from the Library of congress:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2020:
This is as nice a manner as I can provide. I won’t lecture on the contents of the Bill. I’ve linked to the bill, and provided Barack Obama’s own words to describe it. The rest is up to you.
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Demablogue

posted November 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm


Turquoise, I have a longer post, but it’s up for moderation.
Do a google search on the Freedom of Choice act (or look it up on Wikipedia)
This act would remove ALL limits on abortion (including partial birth abortion)
Obama has stated (and states openly on his website) that he will pass this bill into law. When he was lecturing to planned parenthood he said it would be his first act as president.
Don’t take my word for it, though, as I am biased. Look it up.
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nick

posted November 14, 2008 at 9:05 pm


LIKE THE POPE SAID there wolfs in sheeps clothing__ it take a more then smart answers__ his actions will speak louder then words__



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Patrick

posted November 14, 2008 at 9:47 pm


Turquoise, Barack Obama voted over three straight legislative sessions to kill Illinois’ Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA) – which requires that a baby who survives a late-term abortion receive protection equal to that granted other newborns. One of Sen. Obama’s Illinois votes was against a version of this lifesaving bill that passed unanimously, bipartisanly, and in essentially identical form at the Federal level.
An Illinois nurse testified to Obama’s Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee how, at a suburban hospital, “One night, a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived.”
Here is what Obama said in opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection bill on the Illinois Senate floor on March 30, 2001:
Senator Obama: “…[W]hat we’re really saying is, in fact, that they [babies who survive abortions] are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. …the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this [a baby who survives an abortion] is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.”
For the full discussion, see pp. 84 – 91 of the Adobe Reader pdf file at the Illinois Senate website:
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf



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Patrick

posted November 14, 2008 at 10:07 pm


Links to Barack Obama’s votes on IL’s Born Alive Infant Protection Act
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html



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vikki, VA

posted November 15, 2008 at 2:18 am


We can argue till our Lord comes. It only makes us bitter and prevents us from doing what God will want us to do.
I know what it’s like to be blinded by education and the wisdom of this world..but I also know that THE ONLY TRUE and WISE GOD, HIS SON JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT is able to save anyone no matter how deep the have fallen.
I was saved because my mother never stops praying for me, she stood in the gap for me.
As a Christian, I’m still praying for God to deliver me from certain un-Godly habits….
It’s only God’s grace that sustains me, I try not to forget to pray for others like Barack Obama.
He took the steps to be born again but something went wrong…
Which is worse? Hiding behind christianity to commit war crimes,adutery; advocating abortion rights, judging others or self righteousness? I speak to my self also, for I’m sure I offend God unaware, sometimes.
So for the sake of the crucifixion of Christ, pray for the salvation of Obama…. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
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PleaseOpenYourEyes

posted November 15, 2008 at 2:22 am


This interview with Obama comes in full text to us, only AFTER the election. If you are indeed open to alternative trains of thought, (as I have surmised from reading this board), this alone should raise your antennaes about his religious views, as well as his political aspirations.
Many people state religion and politics should be kept separate – and to a great extent, I agree. But it is a reality that anyone’s views on religion, certainly enter in varying measures (depending on the extent of their religion and spirituality) into many areas of their life and their world views. I have to wonder why it is that this candid interview about his universalist views was not available in its full entirety, until now, after the election.
It appears to me that it was not made available, because it quite simply, would have turned off many conservative and moderate voters. And since he needed those votes, this candid interview was not fully available to the public. I am not certain whether it was the interviewer’s decision, and/or Obama’s, to not make the full extent of his spiritual views fully known until now – but whether it was him and/or the interviewer, I have to seriously question how religious or spiritual the person(s) are, who withheld this information.
Because you see, that is not only withholding with an underlying motive to covertly manipulate, it also smacks of deceit … and I have yet to find any religion and/or spirituality, which upholds non-disclosure and/or deceit, as virtues.
It is true that Obama eluded to some of this in his election campaign, (so I am not completely surprised), however, he held out just how deep his universalist views really were. If he had a part in withholding the full extent of this interview until now, then I have great trouble with agreeing that he follows an internal moral compass.
Calling his views Christian, is not scripturally correct, as Christian tenets come from the Bible. It is impossible to embrace other religions, and also follow God and have that be a belief of Christianity, as Obama and many posters on this board, allege. Here’s a bit of scripture on that: “I am the Lord your God, and there shall be no other Gods before me”. And “you shall love thy God with all your heart, with all your mind and all your soul”, and adds that this “Is the greatest commandment of all”.
There is nowhere in the Christian bible where it even eludes to following other Gods and other religions, and/or being amenable to these, as being Christianity. And if you want to talk about Jesus, it is well-illustrated in the Bible that there were many in those times, following other religions, idols and false gods, and Jesus in no way welcomed or embraced these other religions or gods. Understanding that others are different than you, yes – for Jesus loved everyone (including those who treated him horribly) – but welcoming other religions with open arms like Obama does and believing that it is acceptable, no – that was not Jesus, and it is not God.
As for the paths that one poster talked about, and how it is okay to follow whatever spiritual path you wish (I remember Oprah claiming this, also), that doesn’t follow Christianity, either – this is what Jesus said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life”, John 14:6; and another scripture, that there is “only one way to get to the Father (God), through me (Jesus)”. You can’t get to Jesus, nor to God, if you embrace anything other than Christianity, or go down some other road or path. I’m sorry, but there is no other way.
It is that black-and-white and I hasten to say it, because so many people are led into the gray – and I realize that large mass of gray is very, very inviting – but this is scripturally true in Christianity, and it is very clear.
I did appreciate reading the full text of the interview, but sadly, it confirms that Obama does not understand Christianity.



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Pray for Obama...listing his voting record will not save him

posted November 15, 2008 at 2:56 am


thank’s for this post….
It reminds me of how blind I was before Jesus saved me
____It reminds me to pray for Barack Obama to be saved also, For the god of this age has blinded men, but Jesus came to set the captives free.
____Pray for Barack, do not condemn him.
__ __Jesus is Lord of all.



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Phreadom

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:46 am


I appreciate that people say not to judge Obama, but it seems sad to me that so many judge him in the same breath.
I find his words to be the most uniting, the most understanding of all faiths etc, of anyone I’ve ever heard speaking politically. I think that takes a great man and a great mind.
I think you would be hard pressed to find any Christian today who actually closely follows the scriptures and doesn’t invent their own personal version of a personal God even going so far as to intentionally ignore whole uncomfortable swaths of scripture.
Faith is between a man and his god, a matter of personal conscience and I applaud Barack for being such a fine illustration of a faith that can be a uniting and not a dividing force in life.
Having been a Christian and a youth minister for decades, I applaud his courage to speak frankly about his personal faith, whether or not it would have self righteous Christians judging him for not being Christian enough. I thank heaven he’s not the type of Christian many commenters here seem to be.
We should all be hoping and praying for the best from Obama in the coming years that our country might reap the rewards of such a bright, knowledgeable, charismatic and ambitious man leading us out of the dark times of the past 8 years. We should hope that he can rekindle the spirit of pride in this country, not only in some of the people here at home… but throughout the world. The world wants back the America it knew and loved and that is simply something we have not been as of late.
Bravo Barack Obama. Bravo.



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posted November 15, 2008 at 10:34 am


Thanks for posting this interview. It seems a window into the mind of a tolerant and wise soul.



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George

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:37 am


Let’s be clear about one thing: Barrack Obama does not subscribe to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and hence, is not a Christian. His views as gleaned from this interview are pluralistic in nature, embracing the “all roads, faiths, and religions ultimately lead to God” philosophy. In telling us he is a Christian, while at the same time downsizing Christ as a great teacher (and not God Incarnate), he leaves us no choice but to doubt his avowed Christian faith. As a Chrsitian, I can give Obama great latitude in his spiritual search for the truth, but there comes a time when I must separate truth from fiction. If indeed he has yet to find his faith – however defined – it is deceptive for him to claim the Chrsitian faith. This interview, along with the one at Saddleback (where he said the issue of abortion was above his pay grade) – reveals a man unable to categorically tell us exactly what he believes. With regard to abortion, it certainly wasn’t above his pay grade to heartily support complex pro-abortion legislation time and time again. I am not so naive as to not realize that political posturing on the question of his faith was part and parcel of his presidential campaign. But we should not be fooled into thinking that, given this interview and the one at Saddleback, Obama believes that Christ is God, or that his faith is firmly grounded in the Chrsitian religion. I respect those with postings here that believe Obama’s all-inclusiveness agenda will greatly help in mending this country’s and this world’s woes. Or that his election as President offers hope for a better future ahead. Those postings that defend Obama’s pluralistic spiritual worldviews seem heartened that, finally, here is a leader who will be tolerant of all religious viewpoints, making for a better world where, absent partisan religious bickering, problems can finally be solved and we can live in a more peaceful world. To those I say the following: Never in the history of the world has “man” been able to bring about peace. Why? Because he is simply “man”, who has sinned against God, and has lost his relationship with Him. Here is where Christianity and belief in Chrsit makes its profound impact. Chrsitians and non-Christians alike need only ask for forgiveness of sins and the connection with God is re-established. This is the power of God, through his Holy Spririt, enabling us once again to be in unision with Him. This is Christ’s teachings. This is God’s promise for those who believe. As a Chrsitian, I can attest to this God-power. I am not ashamed to dismiss the claims of other religions, to defend my own, nor do I struggle with the question of Absolute Truth. Religious pluralism is for those who continue the seach but have not yet found, who believe that man alone can solve the world’s problems (mankind has yet do come close), and who believe more in the power of self than the power of God. Yet, I am not close-minded to those with different religious views. I respect the fact that they are seekers and, as a whole, aim to do good. There IS an answer. There IS a Truth. In large part, Obama seems to have won over those who profess allegiance to man rather than allegiance to God. Given his pronouncements, or lack thereof, I am one who does not put much faith in him. Why proclaim Christianity when his spiritual/religious worldview goes against its very tenets? We as Chrsitians are not deceived, and it is my hope that in the months and years ahead, the spiritual Obama will speak the truth. In today’s world, when we seek more than ever to address the ever mounting problems of society, it is too easy to place blind faith on someone who inspires us, who tells us that change and renewed hope is coming. Let us not get too far ahead of the game. The truth shall set us free indeed. But whose truth are we more prepared to follow?



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Tom Moore

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:43 am


This interview has hardly been hidden until now. As noted in the introduction, it was not only posted online by a newspaper, but also published in a book. I do find it pretty amazing that the GOP or others did not make a big deal out of this public information during the campaign. This is the first I have heard of it, but that is more a measure of how much information there is to be digested than of how this information was held.
If you think about our constitution and the exclusion clause, it’s pretty clear that one cannot claim public office in the USA, and swear to uphold that document, without disclaiming one’s religion as anything more than a personal guide to life. And that is exactly what Obama does here.
Three cheers for that. I wish more politicians would do the same when they are quizzed about this. Eventually we will elect our first atheist, and get over that stigma, as we have now gotten over our racism.



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Russell Ingram

posted November 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm


Just read the George ? comment. I am a stronger atheist for it. Thanks George.



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 1:23 pm


Nothing is more powerful than a service in the black church? NOTHING?? I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is using hyperbole here. But seriously …. if I said that about the Mass, or the highly emotional holiness services in which I was raised, would that not sound a bit exclusive. ____But the most disturbing thing in this interview is that Barack Obama hears an AUDIBLE VOICE guiding him. Besides the fact that if Sarah Palin had said that, she’d be thrown in a loony bin, this is extremely frightening to me because, if that AUDIBLE VOICE is not the voice of God — and of course it’s not — that only leaves a very horrifying alternative. God help us.



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Charles King

posted November 15, 2008 at 3:57 pm


The problem with George’s possition and post is that he doesn’t realize that he is not making claims for what he calls “Absolute truth,” so much as he is making claims to be an absolute vessel. He is not claiming that his religion is perfect, so much as he is claiming that HIS articulation and HIS interpretation of it are perfect. This is nothing new in history, and it comes not from the perfection of his religion, but the perfection of his VANITY!____Compare:__”Lord,I thank you that I am not a sinner as other men are!”__With:__”Lord, be merciful unto me, a sinner!”____…. and you will begin to see the error of George’s approach to religion.__



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Aurora E. Hunter

posted November 15, 2008 at 4:12 pm


I urge you to read these books by the renowned David R. Hawkins, MD, Ph.D.: “Power vs. Force,” “The Eye of the I,” and “I.”



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Charles

posted November 15, 2008 at 4:22 pm


He was not hearing voices,Mr Your Name! “Internal monologue” is a literary term used over and over again by intellectuals like himself. It was first used by a writer called James Joyce who used the device in his book, “Ulysses”. The addition of the word “dialogue” is again not original, but many commentators add that on to indicate the format which such a monologue usually takes.



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turquoise

posted November 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Robb Ury

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:28 pm


Dear Mr/Ms “Your Name”,____Really?! This is the best criticism you can come up with? Clearly your mission in commenting is to denegrate Obama in any way you can find, but your remarks are such a reach, I’m stunned that you’re not falling all over yourself (maybe you do/are). ____Disgraceful!____”But the most disturbing thing in this interview is that Barack Obama hears an AUDIBLE VOICE guiding him. Besides the fact that if Sarah Palin had said that, she’d be thrown in a loony bin, this is extremely frightening to me because, if that AUDIBLE VOICE is not the voice of God — and of course it’s not …”



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janet, ohio

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:53 pm


Charles, poor dear Charles… Did you read this thing? He did not say “internal monologue” : he said AUDIBLE VOICE. Do you know the definition of AUDIBLE? That which can be heard literally with the physical ears. So, YES, he is hearing voices.
And dear precious Robb Ury … Thanks for reprinting part of my comment! Way to help sound the alarm! And by the way, I only had to “reach” into Obama’s own words



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm


I know that saying “everyone else does it” doesn’t make it right, but take this posting from above:
“What is the difference between killing defenseless babies in the womb and Bin Laden killing people who are alive to achieve his aim?”
In place of Bin Laden you can insert the name of any US President that has claimed to be a Christian. I know the whole “Thou Shalt Not Kill” thing was in the Old Testament, but I can’t be the only Christian that thinks it’s also part of Jesus’ teachings.
We expect, no, demand, that our President make the tough decision to order people to die and to kill. That would appear to be rather un-Christian.
It seems that we long ago decided that Christian love has no place in the White House, and we expect the President to be a Christian in name only.



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brisonc

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:00 pm


Those who continue to say that the Christian Critics of Obama are being INTOLERANT of DOGMATIC don’t seem to have a full understanding of what Christ taught and the authority from which he was teaching it.
Those who evaluate and discern whether Obama’s words and actions are in line with scripture are not “JUDGING” since to JUDGE in the way that is admonished in the scriptures means “condemn to hell or damnation” which is only something that God(Christ) has the authority to do.
This is not the same thing though when a Christian says Obama’s statements are anti-thetical to Christain teaching. This is something that can be verified by comparing statement’s made to what scripture teaches.
If Obama’s views differ or even directly conflict with what Scripture teaches then it is not JUDGEMENT to point this out. In fact, Scripture says that when a Christian body find’s one of it’s own failing they are to “confront that individual in love with the truth and assist that individual in returning back to the fellowship of the body”. Many progressives seem to see this as “JUDGEMENT” or being JUDGEMENTAL or INTOLERANT.
But let’s address the issue of INTOLERANCE for a moment. No where in the Gospels does Christ admonish followers to TOLERATE one another.
Instead he commands a much higher standard, that of LOVE for those you disagree with, even LOVE for those that attempt to harm or kill you.
By LOVE we mean recognizing the sin and failings of your brethren, but looking past it, and using compassion to show the error involved and bringing that individual back into fellowship with the body. This is not TOLERANCE, since LOVE involves confrontation followed by compassion, prayer, intercession and reconciliation back into the body of believers.
TOLERANCE simply ignores problems without confronting them, which can cause them to fester and come back to haunt the body later on.
Christ confronted the Samaritain woman at the well, pointing out that she was an adulterer(she had 3 husbands), yet he did not condemn her to hell. He extended to her the gift of salvation by explaining her sin was keeping her from salvation and to turn away from it(repent).
What was the response? She was overcome with excitement that any man, particularly such a holy Rabbi as Jesus would even speak to her and that Christ new her secrets, which only a MAN OF GOD could do and yet he was extending salvation to this woman.
Notice that the woman did not say to Christ “I have my own beliefs and my own conscience and I don’t need your input or advice! I am free to follow my own beliefs of that which is right and wrong and will do so without your criticism or interference. Please mind your own business!”
Christ responded not in TOLERANCE, but in LOVE and the Fruits of this action where not only her submission of her heart to Christ, but she ran home to her family who then came back with her to meet Christ and they were given the message of salvation as well.
But let’s remember that Christ didn’t just reach out to the outcasts and the impoveraged and wounded although his message was greeted well by such a population because these people had so few ties to the world. Remember Christ admonished that those that wished to follow him had to give up all worldly things that meant the most to them(family, money, belongings, reputations).
But remember that Christ reached out and extended this offer to Nicademus, a Pharisee, who was willing to listen to Christ and to the men who ultimately would become his 12 deciples, who were not lame or impoverished.
If this is the Gospel that Obama believes in and espouses? If YES then why didn’t he say so during his interview instead of being so vague as to “not offend anyone”.
It would seem that anyone who would be offended by Obama, or other Christians explaining how Christ and his teachings point the way to Truth, are themselves being INTOLERANT by claiming such beliefs and actions are DOGMATIC and DANGEROUS.
So those that are criticizing what OBAMA says in his interview are doing exactly what Christ commanded. They are discerning the truth that Christ preached from the personal dogma that Obama speaks of, such as that “sin is doing something outside of my values”.
This, when discerned is false on it’s face, because SIN is doing anything outside of what GOD(Christ) commands us to do. It has nothing to do with our own feelings or thoughts or views, which are irrelevant to what Scripture reveals through Christ’s words and teachings.
I find it funny that so many of those that speak about the need and right of Christians to “interpret” the Bible for themselves and be free to live that interpretation without being confronted or questioned.
What if the same thing was done with the US Constitution? What if each citizen was given a copy of the Constitution and given the ability to interpret it for himself/herself and free to live by that interpretation, even if doing so conflicted with the rights of others.
Most would say, “No, that would be chaotic. All citizens need to live under ONE interpretation of the law and Constitution as determined by the Courts.”
REALLY?!! The law and Constitution having only ONE interpretation that all must live under? Doesn’t this seem rather DOGMATIC or INTOLERANT? Not to mention a clear violation of “the right of conscience”(a term that is often used by Abortion rights advocates).
Also, Interest Groups like the ACLU seem to be rather dogmatic when they claim “our only advocacy and support is for the Constitution” or “we are on the side of the Constitution” as if those on the other side of the issue are not. Is there criticism for the ACLU then as well from the PROGRESSIVES? No, there is NONE. They just sing it’s praises.
So let’s all admit that we all subscribe to DOGMATISM and confront(through discussion and debate in the political chambers) the differences and look to come to the TRUTH of the issue.
And if the truth contradicts your personal beliefs then accept it and admit the mistake, don’t dig in your heals claiming you have the right to exercise a false notion, particularly when it brings harm or death to others(such as abortion).
I know I know. Many left wing Christians will say “well Bush sent so many of our military to die in IRAQ, knowing it would bring harm and death to many”, but such statements show ignorance of the acts Saddam Hussein had committed to his citizens and was threatening to do to the US.
I always find it humorous that Religious left and Bush Critics complain about millions dying of poverty overseas, but say nothing about smaller numbers dying under tyrants who kill mainly for their own twisted delights and notions. “It’s none of our business” they say. Really? How? Why? and Why Not?” JFK said we had such a duty.
the fact that Bush chose to take on Iraq and Hussein with more focus than Global poverty does not mean he though Global Poverty was not important, but that the threat of Hussein was more immediate, if not to us, to some of our allies in the region and to the citizens of Iraq.
If anything Bush lived out Christs command to defend the helpless and the enslaved. What is the criticism? Many would say, “many civilians died in the attacks!”. Yes, this is true, but civilians were being killed by the dozens and hundreds, thousands, anyway under Saddams regime.
Perhaps there is criticism as to why IRAQ was focused on and why not another country, but would it have been better if Bush just flipped a coin or spun a wheel? the fact that he wanted IRAQ to be the starting point for his work to free other nations is not something that I find fault with and I know many of the IRAQ citizenry today are thankful they are freer under the current governement than under Saddam, but Bush’s critics will never admit this, but Christians should celebrate it.



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war mongerer

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:21 pm


George says that:__”Never in the history of the world has “man” been able to bring about peace.”____Unfortunately, it would appear that neither has _____(non-man).____So much blood has been spilled in the name of God (and perhaps at God’s direction – but, oh, how I hope that is not the case – but who am I to know).____And brisonc now suggests that Bush lived out Christ’s command through killing.____I must be some kind of intolerant, dogmatic Christian because I cannot for the life of me comprehend how one reads the Gospel and comes to the conclusion that Jesus wants us to kill other people. ____Are they not children of God, no matter how lost or sinful? I, too, am lost and sinful. I guess I’m just lucky that my sins are more palatable to you, or you might see fit to kill me in Jesus’ name as well.



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Christine in Portland, OR

posted November 16, 2008 at 12:39 am


Mr. Obama said the following, “I’m measuring my actions against that inner voice that for me at least is audible, is active, it tells me where I think I’m on track and where I think I’m off track.” I interpreted “is audible, is active” as a correction– that he began with the word “audible,” and then changed it to the word “active” as a correction to the word audible. Why did I interpret it that way? Because he continued by saying that it tells him where he *thinks* he is on track, and *thinks* he is off track. In other words, he still allows healthy doubt into the equation because it is still his own voice he is listening to, even in the “dialogue” within himself. Remember that we are reading a verbal dialogue between two people here being transcribed word for word without editing– it is not a written essay by him on his spirituality. In verbal dialogue, we correct ourselves. When that is transcribed word for word all of it gets in, not just the correction as would happen in a written piece.



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Demablogue

posted November 16, 2008 at 12:45 am


Turquoise,
Thanks for the link, but let me point out two things. The link you provided is in reference to the Born Alive act. It also fails to refute the FACT that Obama voted against the bill in one instance, and present in another. The website attempts to justify his votes, but the voting record is still fact.
Two, I gave you Barack Obama’s words about the Freedom of Choice Act. His words, not someone else, not a third party source. His goal is to preserve Roe vs Wade (as stated in the townhall debate with McCain) This is also stated on his website.
As abysmally small as his voting record is, it’s 100% pro-(abortion)choice. You asked for sources, I gave them to you.
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Ross

posted November 16, 2008 at 4:46 am


Pro-choice- It seems patronizing and even dictatorial that males would have much to say about this topic,
especially considering the pressures and coercion regarding sex that females ordinarily endure.
This graffiti I read somewhere: If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.



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jackie sheeler

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:00 am


thanks for bringing this interview forward at this time. obama doesn’t talk much about his faith publicly (thank god for that), so it is wonderful to get this insight into his views. the fact that this interview was held long before the presidential race began make it, in my opinion, even more valuable. no one can accuse him of posturing or playing to the grandstand, because he didn’t have this grandstand back then.



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N D Walker

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:28 am


Read John 14:6
John 3:16, 36
Luke 17:5
Matthew 3:2
Revelation 15:4, 21:8
Compare this to what Mr Obama stated..



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Mike

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:06 am


Dear Walker,____What absurdity. Bible is written by Humans with all their faults intact. If you read all the scriptures, only 2 of the religions have this dogma ” You can reach God only thru Me”. That’s christianity and Islam. And this particular statement has been the cause of all religious wars. Before these religions came into this world, there was no war faught on the basis of religion. I am a christian and by reading Hinduism I clearly understand what Jesus meant. Hinduism says” All paths to reach God are true and wise men know it by different names”. Jesus wanted His followers to be not wavering in their belief. That’s why this statement from him. Lord Sri Krishna who lived 3000 years before Jesus Christ said the same lines in Bhagavad Gita. But He never said about rotting in hell if you do not follow. His message are one of love, compassion and the true way to attain God. No threats, no compulsions, no dogmas, no apostles’ talking about hear-say 60 years after Jesus died. Got it??? Be open minded and all the ills of the world will vanish and there will be heaven on earth.



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George

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:33 am


To Charles King & War Mongerer – Let’s look at the bigger picture. As humans we are limited in our capacity to understand many things, much less universal laws. We can, however, form a series of beliefs and belief structures based on what we know, or think we know, given our fragile nature. For some of us, the Bible represents a set of principles upon which to begin understanding the world around us a liitle more. Our acceptance of what it written helps us form a worldview outside our own cloud of unknowing. The difficult part for most people is what the Bible requires us to do if we wish to partake of its teachings and follow its instructions. And this is to accept the fact that the Bible is God-inspired, that God Himself is the author, who had ghost-writers as His assistants, doing His bidding. Sounds kind of crazy at first, especially from our limited frames of mind that are resistant to anyone telling us that this is so, and especially from Someone claiming to be God Himself. How incredulous is that! But God is not stupid (He can’t be or He wouldn’t be God) and to prove the Bible’s authenticity He told us in countless prohecies that He would send His own Son – Jesus Christ – to live with us for awhile and teach us [universal] truths. He did just that, and Jesus Christ’s life played out exactly as He told us it would. Again, not being stupid, God also laid out the history of the world (it’s creation, and its past, present, and future). Knowing our weak natures, and understanding our inability to fully comprehend what He was telling us, he then comes down to our own level and provides guidance of what is morally right and wrong through the stories he tells in the Bible and through His Son’s own words and deeds. Okay, then what? Well, through countless prophecies he tells us what’s to come next. There are many excellent books written by both historians and biblical scholars that attest to the validity of these things having come to pass. One need only look at the prophecies written thousands of years ago detailing the precise history of Israel to get a true glimpse of the power and accuracy behind His prophetic words. While we can try and interpret what people are saying in these posts until we are blue in the face, I for one ask God for the wisdom we all need to see the truth behind His words. “Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see” – Hebrews 11.1. Do I believe that all religions and spiritual faiths lead to God? No, I believe they do not. Am I intolerant because I choose to defend my spiritual beliefs at the expense of another’s? No, I am not. Should we all be tolerant of all religious viewpoints? Yes, we should. Does the fact that I choose not to believe in religious pluralism because it contradicts the Bible’s teachings make me a sourpuss? Perhaps it will for some, but I love you anyway. Some posters have commented that Christianity is not a religion. I agree. A Christian is a follower of Christ, and until Barack Obama says he accepts and follows Jesus Christ (He who is God), he is no Chrsitian.



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Chance

posted November 16, 2008 at 2:01 pm


Very enlightening interview. This man is not Christian and does not confess Christ. The man says he has read the Bible but clearly is either lying or did not understand what he read. He, like millions of others in this country, have devised their own personal god and named him ‘MY’.



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Joe Meras

posted November 16, 2008 at 2:21 pm


Has anyone really considered what it means to claim a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” or to have a personal relationship with God? It means that my relationship with the sacred, the divine, or God, is my relationship alone. It is between that individual and the Other. It is very personal and not something that needs to be publicized for public consumption. It something that needs to be analyzed by fundamentalist or “religiously correct” theologians.



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Tim

posted November 16, 2008 at 2:22 pm


Terrific! This is the kind of President we need in a diverse world. To the “real Christians”: I should shudder at the idea of a President who honestly thinks that belief in Jesus is the single most important thing for everyone. Let’s focus on feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and protecting the weak



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 2:31 pm


I want to clarify my last sentence. I meant to say that President-elect Obama’s relationship with God is something that does NOT need to be analyzed by fundamentalist theologians in order to determine whether or not it is “theologically” correct. __



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Smiling Riley in NC

posted November 16, 2008 at 3:29 pm


Very reasonable, for a religionist. Nothing extreme. That’s why I voted for him. I’ve never had the opportunity to vote for someone who ISN’T a religionist, much to my chagrin. Therefore, I’m forever simply choosing whichever seems the most reasonable, rational religionist. Cheers.



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M. Stanley Wheaton

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:19 pm


I never cease to wonder at the irrationality of those who confess a lofty opinion of Jesus Christ and devotion to Him while at the same time insisting it is insufferably narrow to think that commitment to Christ is the exclusive way into favor with God. It was Christ himself who said, “I am THE way (not one of many ways)to God.” (Gospel of John 14:1-6) If Christ is really who he claims to be throughout the the Gospel of John (and I believe he is) then, without a change in his outlook, Obama is in a heap of trouble.



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Jeff

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:30 pm


I was disappointed in some of his answers. Basically, in Obama’s view of spirituality, the cross is essentially worthless. Why would we even need Jesus, if all it took for us to get to God was to “be a good person”.
I also found his defintion of sin quite telling. Sin has nothing to do with my values. It is defined by what God values.



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William

posted November 17, 2008 at 12:03 am


President-elect Obama believes that sin consists in, “Being out of alignment with my values.” Imagine that he’s right. Then today’s sin may become tomorrow’s non-sin when his values change. So his definition seems to relativize sin.



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Demablogue

posted November 17, 2008 at 12:16 am


To everyone on here saying that we shouldn’t be analyzing Barack Obama’s faith, or criticizing him on theology or whatever other nonsense non-defense you can conceive, I say this.
No one on here is saying what Barack Obama SHOULD be. The person who brought religion, faith, and semantics into the debate is Barack Obama. By claiming to be a Christian, you open yourself up to scrutiny from other Christians.
If Barack Obama said he was anything other than Christian, people would be having the same discussion in different context.
Here’s a scenario:
Barack Obama says, “I’m an atheist.”
Interviewer, “So you believe in a humanistic approach based on compassions for others to relieve suffering on earth.”
Barack Obama responds, “Pretty much, except I listen to the voice of almighty God for direction, because my own voice is inadequate.”
Interviewer, “really? I thought you would derive your value system from the core ideals of atheism, self reliance and humanism?”
Barack Obama, “that’s what I said, I am a teacher, a bridge to the core of humans, but I can’t have all the answers. I must recognize that God is in control.”
Thus I conclude my Bizarro version of this same conversation. He claims to be atheist, but then adheres to tenets of other faiths instead. It’s the exact same argument. If you claim to be a Christian to win votes (let’s face it) then be a Christian.
If you aren’t Christian, who cares? Be honest about it. Being non-Christian doesn’t mean he’s going to axe-murder the White House staff. A president should have the integrity, and the courage, and the actual understanding of his spirituality. Barack Obama has demonstrated none of that simply because he decided to frame it as “Christian” to win votes.
He could have simply said he was deeply spiritual, and believed in God, but wasn’t sure if man could adequately contain God in such restrictive terms as Christianity. At LEAST he would be honest then.
He framed the argument, he’s still not a Christian, he’s a liar at worst, he’s ignorant of Christianity at best.
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Joe S.

posted November 17, 2008 at 3:42 am


The foregoing exercise in deception and prevarication was brought to you by the same Obama who voted “present” on Illinois legislation allowing the victims of rape and other sex crimes to have their court records sealed, as well as legislation dealing with late-term abortions and Parental notification.
Clearly, Obama thinks he’s more clever than his audience because when he’s not talking to the Sun Times religion reporter, he describes his mother as viewing organized religion as “too dogmatic, closed minded, cruel, and oppressive.”
Also, Ann Dunham also kept the Bible on the reading shelf next to the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran, and various Pagan texts of the Norse and African mythologies. Barak says that his mother “viewed religion as an expression of human culture, but was not its well-spring.” I would call such a woman worldly and broad-minded, but I would not insult her (or real Christians) to claim her as a Christian.
So why does Barak betray the heart-felt atheism of his mother and grandmother? I would be very wary of any politician who has to lie about his family yet points the finger of suspicion at fundamentalists- while willingly absorbing the divisive and toxic politics from a racialist “Christian” like Jeremiah Wright.



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Andir Hess

posted November 17, 2008 at 8:34 am


It would have been far more helpful to the American voting public if this article had been released IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE the election, yes? You’re a bit too late Cathleen….Why didn’t you do this week ago??????



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Tim

posted November 17, 2008 at 10:05 am


I think this compare and contrasting, while understandable, is however not what God wants. I mean don’t all God followers- like us- wanna do the same thing and objectives?
To do good, to serve in His name, to spread the Good word, to be more like Him and hopefully when we live out this world, we will spend eternal life with him.
So I mean, to join which church is a case of personal preference. Obama certainly had reasons to join Trinity. He’s after all, a black American, and the church had reasons in why it was so attractive to him.
Certainly, all of us have their personal opinions, and since that’s so, there’s little suggestion that just because my friend belongs to a traditional protestant church, while I belong to an evangelistic one means I’m superior to him. In the end we all serve the Lord in different ways, and we all hope to see Him when we leave this place.



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Marz Blak

posted November 17, 2008 at 11:16 am


Interesting article. As an atheist, Sen. Obama’s belief system is one I can appreciate. It is encouraging to see how many believers find his beliefs to be in accordance with their own.
To all the you True Christians ™ posting on this thread, your posts demonstrate the perniciousness of overly dogmatic belief systems much better than anything someone like me could. Keep up the good work!



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Marz Blak

posted November 17, 2008 at 11:18 am


I meant to say ‘…better than anything someone like me *might say* could…’



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Ashley

posted November 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm


I wish everyone who thinks he is a Muslim would read this. I personaly don’t have anything against the Muslim religion, but a lot of Americans immediatley think “terrorist” when they hear the world Muslim.



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Your Name

posted November 17, 2008 at 4:10 pm


“Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”
-Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1786
Read the whole thing: http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html
We would do well to remember what our founding fathers hoped for us in regards to religion in this country when these debates come up. Sadly, I fear that the Christian Fundies have usurped much of the country.



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Fundie

posted November 17, 2008 at 5:08 pm


Re: Last post. I would say almost everyone here agrees with you on this. The debate centers on the veracity’s of Obama’s claim to be Chrsitian when all indications by his own words says he is not. If he is not – fine. Just don’t claaim to be for poltical expediency.



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Daniel Butler

posted November 17, 2008 at 7:30 pm


I was born again and baptized in 1985, but I had been raised in the church from birth. Then in 1995 I came face to face with what was in my heart. The sin of self-centeredness, the darkest, dankest self-serving stench known to humankind was livng and breathing there, thriving there even while I went to church, sang the songs and said my prayers. It had all “been about me” as my wife put it coldly with surgical precision. Looking back now, I wonder how could I have so totally ignored or misinterpreted Jesus every time he began a sentence with “if you will be my disciple…” or “if you follow me…” or “if you love me you will….”



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William

posted November 18, 2008 at 3:50 am


President-elect Obama should reconsider his definition of sin. For him, sin is, “being out of alignment with my values.” Since I’m pro-life, I’m in alignment with my values when I oppose the Freedom of Choice Act. Say that after the Freedom of Choice Act becomes a law, it forbids pro-lifers to publicly protest abortion. If I need to protest abortion to be in alignment with my pro-life values, then by Mr. Obama’s definition of sin, to be in alignment with those values, I need to sin. Maybe sin is being out of alignment with God’s values. If that’s what sin is, and if my values are out of alignment with His values, I need to change my values to align them with His values.



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Skeptical

posted November 18, 2008 at 3:52 am


“wolf in sheeps clothing”….Christians get their wisdom from the BIBLE. (hamlet and toni morrison don’t compare with matthew,mark,luke,john, ruth, esther, mary, thief on the cross, king david, jeremiah, moses, abraham etc.)



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William

posted November 18, 2008 at 4:13 am


I’m sorry, friends. I made a mistake in my previous note. My point was that by Obama’s definition of sin, to obey the Freedom of Choice Act after it becomes a law, I’ll need to be out of alignment with my values. By Obama’s definition of sin, to obey the Freedom of Choice “law,” I’ll need to sin. But if a law requires me to sin, that law is immoral, isn’t it? I believe that we sin when our behavior is out of alignment with God’s values. So I need to value what he values, and he values the lives of unborn babies.



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andrew

posted November 18, 2008 at 8:56 am


Obama is just too smart for most of the people at this site. I’ve never heard a more sensible politician!



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George

posted November 18, 2008 at 9:08 am


He is sensible only to the beguiled.



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Demablogue

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:12 am


To the poster who quoted Thomas Jefferson: No where in that text does it suggest that all men in political office must be secular or atheist. It actually states that no one’s religion can HINDER them on the grounds of equality.
It doesn’t say to check your morals or your value system at the door. It’s speaking out against the shackles of state ENFORCED religion (e.g. The church of England in colonial times) For the idiots out there who keep claiming about how “fundamentalists” have hijacked politics, take a real long look at the history of American politics. Fundamentalists have taken a collective leap back from the public square over the past 50 years.
Christians have lost voice annually on every major issue in the public forum since Vietnam at best, probably more like WW2. The freedom of religion has shifted from protecting religious choices to snuffing out Christian voice. You cannot use liberating language to oppress a group. The reason Christians are coming out to speak is because we’ve been censored and expelled from public decisions that attack the core of our value system. The CORE.
It’s like killing an atheist, since they believe in themselves. It’d be like legislation saying that Mecca is not holy land and to reference Mecca or Mohammed is unlawful. Muslims would be furious.
I’m not talking about piddly issues. I’m talking about Abortion, the right to live. I’m talking about the right to teach your own children. I’m talking about having a traditional belief system that isn’t berated and demeaned by all aspects of public life. I’m talking about not being FORCED to partake in that public life.
In California, they’re trying to take away a parent’s right to homeschool their children. Forcing children into public school, and then attacking their faith on a daily basis is religious control, not liberation. Let me enlighten you, evolution is a theory. Creationism is a theory. No one can prove (or disprove) either. They never will without time-travel. However, in public school teachers preach evolution as fact.
I think Darwin would be appalled to find his theory stretched to attempt to eliminate God. Darwin may not have been Christian, but he didn’t doubt the existence of a creator. It’s all argumentative and pointless anyway. However, the froth-mouthed need to push evolutionary theory as fact is bad public policy, is poor science, and is also religious oppression. As much oppression as pushing creationism as fact in public school would be.
The non-religious (but still)fundamentalists need to wake up to the reality that your accusations reflect your actions. The fact that you don’t share a belief doesn’t give you any right to attack the core values of someone else. Wake up to the fact that by ridiculing and judging Christians who judge others is hypocritical. After all, according to you, religious fundamentalists are simply no-tooth, uneducated yokels who suprise you by speaking a sentence without drooling. Since you’re so enlightened you should notice the hypocricy inherent in your accusation.
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posted November 18, 2008 at 3:07 pm


Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are FEROCIOUS WOLVES. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise evry good tree bears a good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and A Bad TREE CANNOT BEAR GOOD FRUIT. 19. Every tree that does not bear good truit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20.Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.____30. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord,Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’____above is from Matthew 7:15-23____Freedom of Choice Act is a bad fruit.____very bad fruit. stink fruit. obama is on utube saying to planned parenthood, the national abortion clinic: “the first thing i’d do as president is to sign the freedom of choice act.” obama’s “economic development” and “job security” for evil abortionists at the expense of babies, and women and fathers who would want to KEEP their babies. “the blood of the children”____where is it in the BIBLE about “the blood of the children” run across the nation? GOD doesn’t put up with that. God HATES sacrificing children.



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Julie Shaw

posted November 18, 2008 at 3:24 pm


If there were truly more than one way to God and spending eternity with Him



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Chris

posted November 18, 2008 at 7:16 pm


Obama is not a true Christian? Great! Thank God for secular government.
As much as I disagree with Christians fundamentalists, I think they have so-called “spiritual” Christians by the theological short and curlies. Come on people, you either believe the Bible is of divine origin or you do not. If what it says is true, most humans are going to Hell when they die. This includes Obama, non-Christians, liberal “Christians,” and evil nonbelievers like me.
Yes, Jesus said some nice things, but you don’t need to believe he was God in order to embrace his message of compassion and nonviolence. Besides, that’s not all Jesus preached. Jesus was NOT a Universalist. Read the Bible! Read about the vipers, the goats and the sheep, the worm, the darkness, the firey furnace, the wide gate to death and destruction, etc. It is a distusting worldview, in my opinion, but that is what it says.
Yes, it is comforting to believe there is a loving Father looking after you, but when you get rid of the wrath and fury of God, whose name is Jealous, it is no longer Christianity that you practice.
Be honest, spiritual ones. Read Genesis and ask yourself if you really believe that stuff happened. Read Revelation and ask yourself if you really believe that stuff is going to happen. See if you really want to call yourself a Christian. I certainly do not. But if you still do, that’s fine. In America, you have the freedom to believe in anthing you want, and worhip in anyway you want! That’s why this counrty is so great! Even this heathen can see how much of a blessing that is.



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George

posted November 18, 2008 at 8:16 pm


Dear Chris – thank you for your thoughtful comments, especially when you say: “Come on people, you either believe the Bible is of divine origin or you do not”. Precisely. I for one don’t say that Obama is not a true Christian, but I say he is no Christian at all if we are to take his comments literally, and I find no reason why we shouldn’t, do you? Once again, whoever does not believe the Words of Jesus Christ (He that says He is God and we should follow Him to receive everlasting life) is not a Christian. This goes for any professing Christian. You say that Jesus said some very nice things, but that we don’t need to blieve that he is God (even though He told us He is) to embrace His message of compassion and nonviolence. You follow this train of thought by saying that Jesus was not a Universalist, and that we only need to read Genesis to figure out if all that stuff realy happened. Perhaps you are referring to the part that says the world (universe) is only 6,000 years, when science has confirmed that it is over 15 billion years old? After all, we know that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, so the world (universe) CAN’T BE just 6,000 years old – or can it? I mentioned in a previous post that God is not stupid (He can’t be, right, because he is God). Well, God, being the Creator of all things, also created science and instilled in men like Einstein the intellect to provide us with the answer to the question: How old, really, is the universe? In discovering the laws that govern gravity, Einstein confirmed [affirmed} the Bible’s accuracy. So what is the correct answer as to whether the world (universe) is 6,000 years old or is over 15 billion years old? The answer is BOTH. There is Earth time as measured by the the planet’s strong gravitational pull (which makes time pass rather slowly), and there’s Universal time, where gravity is practically non-existent and makes time pass MUCH, MUCH faster. Don’t take this from me. It comes for scientists (physicists) themselves. So you see, Chris, there are a great many things that we might not understand now, but belief in God makes possible our access to knowledge that a purely secular world would otherwise not. You also think it looney the Bible’s position (?) that sinners (non-Christians) will fry in hell for all eternity. What if, just what if this burning in Hell is a metaphor for Eternal Separation from God as punishment (this in itself would be punishment enough!) There are answers for those that seek them in unison with Christ our Lord.



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Chris

posted November 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm


George,
We both agree that people should be honest about what they believe. If one believes in universalism, why call oneself a Christian? I suspect most moderate Christians (or liberal or spiritual or whatever you may call them) simply do not know what the faith is all about. I would suggest they take the next logical step and get rid of the Christian label. Of course, this is going to go right over most people’s heads. To be Christian is the norm in this counrty. People don’t even think about it.
As for the rest of your comments, I appreciate the sincere and respectful tone. I do disagree with most of what you say though. I suggest that people read Genesis to see how myth-like it is, the age of the earth question did not actually occur to me. The age of Adam is what I would point people to. And the flood story is one of my favorites.
Recruiting Einstein as a Christian apologist is an unfair move, I think. I’m no scientist, but I have read some of his writings on religion. He did not believe in a personal God. There are some brillant scientists who are Christians (Francis Collins, for example), but Einstein was not one of them. And no, I’m pretty sure most physicists do not believe the earth is both 6,000 and 15 billion years old. But once again, I’m no scientist.
You incorrectly stated that the Bible’s position is “that sinners (non-Christians) will fry in hell for all eternity.” Sinner does not mean non-Christian. If it did, it would mean no one would be saved! No, the Bible says all humans are sinners. There are sinners who beleive in Christ, and thus are forgiven and saved, and there are sinners those who do not believe, and thus are condemned. But I’m sure you knew that already. I’m just pointing it out because many Christians seem to forget it.
The modern “separation from God” view of Hell- I didn’t realize you were Catholic, ha ha. No, I would guess you are Born Again. I will further predict that you read alot of C.S. Lewis! There are some truly brillant Christian apologists/philosophers (I personally love Kierkegaard, and William Lane Craig can be very eloquent sometimes), but C.S. Lewis is not one of them. Hell in the Bible is clearly the experience of God’s wrath and fury, the separation metaphor is quite a stretch.
Getting back to Obama- his Christianity may be lukewarm to some, laughable to others, but his message of tolerance is what is important. We should all stand together in support of religious freedom, and be thankful we live in a counrty where religion can flourish without government intervention, and citizens do not have to pay taxes for a State Church.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm


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Terry

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:50 pm


Wow, I have read all the proceeding comments and I am more than just a little overwhelmed. The deep convictions and enlightenment are all inspiring opinions based on limited knowledge. Please I don’t presume to know the complete or even partial mind of God, however, I can only imagine the thoughts of the Son of God as he prepares for this next hour and reading your comments… “What?” ____I love pietas and bias but there is no time for such things. __Some of you will hear and some will not.



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Darolyn

posted November 19, 2008 at 12:46 am


I am so enormously happy that this man is President Elect of the United States of America. What a wonderfully thoughtful, insightful and loving person he is. We should all be proud of where America is heading with him as our leader.



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Lesley

posted November 19, 2008 at 7:43 am


What a great interview. He was totally open and thoughtful, something we rarely allow politicians to be without paying a heavy price. He’s obviously a very intelligent and deep person. I’m so very glad he’s our president. I could care less if he passes the Christian test



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Dave

posted November 19, 2008 at 8:40 am


Wow, what an undecipherable hodge-podge of vagueness. It sounds like he’s trying to please himself by trying to please everyone, but what he ends up with has no boundaries, no shape, no form, no orthodoxy whatsoever. Disappointing, to say the least.



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Tom

posted November 19, 2008 at 8:57 am


The Bible is God’s word. It is what He says about Himself and about man. Obama’s read the Bible, but he doesn’t believe it. The definition of Christian faith is believing God. Obama doesn’t believe the Bible; he doesn’t believe God. The Bible says nothing about many paths to the same place; it says no one comes to the Father except by Jesus. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. The Bible doesn’t say that all go to heaven. It says that God is sin is punished. The only way to escape that punishment is by placing your faith in Christ’s redemption of those sins (not by placing faith in your own values, whatever that means). The Bible says that Christ bore the wrath and judgment due us; that by faith in Him we are saved.
Obama does not believe the Bible at what it plainly says. He doesn’t believe the gospel. By definition, he cannot be a Christian. That’s the plain truth.
It doesn’t change the fact that we ought to pray for him, nor does it change the fact that he’s really not all that different from presidents past. But this interview sheds light on where he is spiritually. He’s lost. His religion is nothing more than his own opinion and experiences; it has nothing to do with Christ.



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Polarbear

posted November 19, 2008 at 9:15 am


You hit the nail on the head there Tom. I am also disturbed by Obama’s intolerance of those who are committed to their faith. I am very concerned about the next few years, but I am committed to pray for him.



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willoh

posted November 19, 2008 at 9:26 am


If this was a statement of faith by a baptismal candidate, I would advise re-reading the book of John, offer personal tutoring and fellowship,and advise waiting until the faith was clearer before moving forward. This is the testimony of a nice fellow, but not a committed Christian. Too often he leans on his own values and his own deeds instead of on the Lord’s.



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Gary

posted November 19, 2008 at 11:03 am


What you have here is a man who has been shaped by his upbringing into believing a gospel that is really not a gospel at all. As a man who voted for Obama it is clear that while he thinks he has found his religious center, he is far from anything that resembles real truth. He said it best in the middle of the interview. He was asked what is sin, and he responded that it was being out of alignment with his values. He was also asked about what person would worst represent how not to align one’s self spiritually…ie: what person would most represent sin. He answered that it was Osama Bin Laden. Now those two statements contradict each other. Bin Laden is completely aligned with Bin Laden’s values. Bin Laden is being completely true to what he believes. According to Obama’s definition of sin, Bin Laden is not sinning. This is the great crux of failing to recognize that there is an eternal ruler that judges right and wrong. If we are all left to judge ourselves then there is no right and wrong, because there is no standard.
I believe that Obama will make a good president, and I also believe that he is searching for truth. Unfortunately he has been sold a lie that is dressing itself up as the truth. But I do admire that he is open and honest about what he believes – even as jumbled as it is, I truly believe that HE BELIEVES what he is saying. Most politicians will just tell you that they believe in God and that it is completely personal, and won’t go into any detail for fear of upsetting the voting public. Obama’s upbringing included Methodist, Baptist, Agnostic, Muslim, Catholic, and Religous Apathy all combined into one. I hope that he continues to search for the only truth which is that Jesus either has to be a lunatic or the savior of the universe. He cannot just be a great teacher. The Bible makes it pretty clear that Jesus either deserves to be mocked for all eternity or he deserves to be worshiped. He can’t just be admired.



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Cassie

posted November 19, 2008 at 11:55 am


“I’m always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch FoxNews or listen to talk radio. That’s dangerous sometimes. ”
i think that’s my favorite quote…everything else is just depressing



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posted November 19, 2008 at 12:04 pm


Gary, you sounded like a real Christian yourself but you voted for Obama anyway and believes he will make a good president. You are one confused Christian yourself. I think Obama will base all his decisions according to his own “conscience” and may lead this country into a total moral confusion. Yes, we need to pray hard for him, for God to really transform him. That is the only hope we have.



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Paulc

posted November 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm


“Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; seek what they sought” Basho
Belief is not experience, the path is not the goal. I am very comfortable with Obama’s use of Christianity.



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jim

posted November 19, 2008 at 12:44 pm


How long does it take, to remove doubt and suspicion and to become certain?
I voted for McCain, have been “born again” for 35 years, not missed more than a dozen Sundays in church (where it was possible, having been several time in war zones); had membership in Methodist, Assemblies of God, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Non-Denominationalism; and I find I’m now relieved to learn America did NOT get what they deserved. What we have is, someone who can discuss their faith openly without alienating most of Americans. I think I understand why this didn’t get out in it’s entirety before the election…it was too good for the Right and too bad for the Left.
Obama says, “I think there is this tendency that I don’t think is healthy for public figures to wear religion on their sleeve as a means to insulate themselves from criticism, or dialogue with people who disagree with them. …and, “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”
What’s a President to do? What would you do? I’m praying for him, and am encouraged knowing that the Holy Spirit will guard the good deposit entrusted to him.



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Gary

posted November 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm


Your Name: I don’t believe that being a Christian is required to run a government. Many would say that George Bush is a born again believer (to be honest, I have no idea). If he is, then he is proof that a born again believer can screw up the country just as well as an atheist. I know a lot of great Christians that I wouldn’t vote to become mayor, much less president. In the same way I know a lot of non-Christians that would do a great job at such executive roles. Christ didn’t preach political revolution, he preached a revolution of the soul. Therefore I think it is pretty naive to base a vote on who you think is the best Christian. I wouldn’t say that McCain’s testimony is all that strong either, he just happens to be a Republican, so I am not sure who you voted for :)



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Bumgarner

posted November 19, 2008 at 1:19 pm


Unfortunately, four-fifths of the nation probably nods their head as they read the entire interview…



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Gary C

posted November 19, 2008 at 3:46 pm


Lets face it he is a universalist and any attempt to do say otherwise is a lie. All politicians lie about their resume and character. Lets not kid ourselves. All of us do as well. It is just clear that after a personal conversation with Obama regarding faith you know that He is not a Christian. I mean he has no concept of true Christian faith. If you cast a broad enough net out there you will catch all the fish. that is simply what he has done.



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George

posted November 19, 2008 at 4:18 pm


Chris – Thanks for your comments, and yes, you are correct, I am a born again Chrsitian whho has read C.S. Lewis. You’re very astutue. For a full scientific explanation of earth vs. univeral time, read “The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Bibilical Wisdom” by physicist Gerald L. Schroeder. It’s a fascinating look at how Einstein’s findings concerning the laws relativity have proven there are two measures of time – earth time and universal time. The book is precise in calculating how 6,000 earth years = 15.2 billion universal years (BTW, I did not mean to imply that Eistein was a Christian, only that it was through him that we were able to discover the different strands of time that made it scientifically possible for us to mesh 6,000 years into 15+ billion years, and vice-versa)). It also discusses the question you brought up regarding the longevity of life in early bibilical times, explains why the theory of evolution has been debunked, and tells us where in the Bible the reference to dinosaurs is made. Another biblical “myth-like” concern of yours was the fact that Adam lived for such a long time – 930 years to be exact. It’s interesting that after Noah, God shortened human lifespans to 120 year (some compelling explanations of why He did this is found in Leon R. Kass’s book, “The Beginning of Wisdom: Reading Genesis”. Another question you had was in reference to the flood. The Bible is too decriptive for this event not have occurred given the specific wood to be used and precise measurements: “The dimensions of the ark given…indicate it was more like a barge than a ship. It was about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. It had about 95,700 square feet on three decks, 1,400,000 cubic feet, and a gross tonage of 13,960. It was fully large enough to carry its prescribed cargo. Is carring capacity eqqualed that of 522 standard railroad stockcars, which can carry 125,000 sheep. Thus, the ark was about the size of an oil tanker and was of proper seagoing dimensions for an ocean voyage…



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Babs

posted November 19, 2008 at 10:41 pm


Isn’t it nice to hear an intelligent person like Obama articulate the American concept that both believers and freethinkers are welcomed in our nation?



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Matt

posted November 20, 2008 at 12:40 am


OBAMA:
What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.
So much for grace. Ephesians 2:8-10
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posted November 20, 2008 at 8:53 am


Sounds like a secular humanist to me… using christian contextual vocabulary since 1. this is his cultural background 2. political expediency requires it. If Christianity could morph itself into what he describes I would not oppose it so stongly. So, for now, as a Secular Humanist / post-theist American, I can forgive him for his “Christianity”. __PS: Check out a new ad on busses in Washington, DC: http://www.whybelieveinagod.org



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posted November 20, 2008 at 9:20 am


Re: Pervious post – Good Point. Now that we have established that Obama is no Christian, based on Obama’s stated views and belief system, can we now discuss what an Obama administration will mean to the U.S. (and the world) in the years ahead in terms of possibly expanding secularization through his policies and beliefs? Will he put in place structures to further debilitate the Chrsitian viewpoint? And if so, what will these look like?



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posted November 20, 2008 at 2:07 pm


Secularization would simple be the absence of religion… or at leaset its slow retreat in the political sphere. Less of “God bless America” at the end of every political speech. Less influence by religious leaders on political policies, Less pandering to the religious right, less budget for the Office of Faith Based Initiatives. More money for Science education, the office of Science and Technology. More science used to make policy decisions. ____See Obama’s speech on religion at You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE



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jose

posted November 20, 2008 at 2:17 pm


Disappointing for an evangelical Christian like me, but he’s my president, not my pastor.
From this interview Obama comes out as a veery confused Christian, accepting the moral lessons but avoiding the surrendering of one’s will to God’s.
He’s got wrong a bunch of fundamental Christian tenets! He’s got the weirdest prayer life(“I’m constantly asking myself questions” ???), believes abortion is a right of the mother, that Christianity is mostly a set of moral values, that only ministers have the Holy Spirit, that one can substitute reading the Bible for an “internal monologue/dialogue”. To top it all, he’s not even sure heaven and hell exist.
If you don’t stand on sound ground, you’ll be prey to false teachers, like Jeremiah Wright. I leave God to judge if Obama is a Christian or not, for He will certainly do it in His time.
I think he’ll be a great president, though. Bush is no doubt a more solid Christian, but a disastrous statesman. This country is ruled by the constitution, not by the Bible.



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posted November 20, 2008 at 5:44 pm


That’s a possible problem here. His alledged inclusionary vision of society may very well come with strings (laws) attached. Given the secularization of society as a whole, Obama is in a position to quell religion as we know it!



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posted November 20, 2008 at 9:18 pm


Many of us say “God Bless America”, and it rings so true, because indeed he has, and to the point that this is absolutely the greatest country on earth. However, we are onboard the train to full-bore socialism, and our engineer will have lost the brake control. It’s all good though, because in taking this wider secular path, we are moving further away from God, with our increased baby murdering, and furthering of decadence in our society, God will reward us by allowing us to destroy our once most powerful nation. The likes of Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler must be smiling like the Cheshire Cat.



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posted November 20, 2008 at 9:46 pm


Obama’s views are very much in line with the church he belongs to, the United Church of Christ. His comments represent a wonderful trend in christianity. I am someone who was born in a very fundamentalist church in which judgements were constantly hurled in every direction. It was such a spiritually depressing and hurtful environment for me. I rebelled and rejected christianity for many years before re-reading the bible and realizing that there was nothing Jesus warned of more than judgement and intolerance. I find that most churches have long mangled god’s message to suit their purpose. Gods words are there for everyone to read and the scriptures are living, meaning that you must read and re-read them yourself and pray and come up with your own version of what is right. If you just follow a set of rules provided by your church that is totally missing the point. The bible says that Gods laws are written in the hearts of all men. I truly believe this and it’s why I don’t require that someone else become christian to believe they will be rewarded in heaven. I also don’t believe that church leaders are any more inspired in their reading of the bible than any ordinary man. Or that the boy in a village in africa cannot know of Jesus’ love if he has never read the bible. That’s the whole point – God’s law is the truth and there is no escaping it. Everytime you are aligned with God’s law you will feel him. That’s what Obama is saying. And no one else can tell you exactly how to get to that place, even the bible does not tell you exactly what to do. You must ask God for guidance and then LISTEN, that’s the most important part. Christians need to realize that dogma is the enemy. The bible says “there is no one Good but him… and that there is not one that is worthy”. So let’s get our off our high horses and remember how little we know and how small we are compared to God. We must consistantly pray and ask for God’s guidance in every aspect of our lives. We pray that every moment, our actions are aligned with God’s truths, but we can never claim to know how God might judge us or another. It’s dangerously arrogant and blasphemous to believe that.



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posted November 20, 2008 at 10:30 pm


There are clear-cut parameters, however. Obama’s views (i.e. pro-abortion) are out of Christ’s mainstream, and this poses a dangerous challenge should he use his political power to impose ant-Chrsitian values on society. We can ask for “God’s, and then LISTEN”, but the fact remains that if your do not believe that the words of Jesus in their entirety (that He indeed is God), we will never hear! Many have posted comments saying that Obama will make a good President. I personally believe he will do marvels. But at whose expense? We should indeed listen to our hearts (this, according to God, is where His truth lies)to hear the voice of God. But we will only be able to hear if we BELIEVE. Let’s not make fools of ourselves and of God by attempting to justify and defend the views of a secularist! p.s. this does not have anything to do with religion; it has everything to do with being Christian.



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posted November 21, 2008 at 4:56 am


Your Name (1)
Perhaps religion as we know it is something that needs to be quelled?



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posted November 21, 2008 at 9:41 am


Mr.Obama’s expressed spirituality looks like someone who is still searching. To say you are “born again” is just a means of acknowledging that you have been made aware of the truth of Christ, the truth of God. When it happens, whether slowly or all at once, you know absolutely that there is only one truth, one way to God, and only one love for your life, one way to life period, and that way is Jesus Christ. The only way to “know” God is to listen to His word, which is Holy Scripture, the Bible. To take a little of this and a little of that, mix it up till it feels good and then apply it to current cultural values is nothing more than inventing your own religion, and it rarely resembles Christianity, because it rarely honors God as much as it celebrates Man



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posted November 21, 2008 at 10:03 am


Re: Previous post: very well said. The only thing I would add is that in addition to “The only way to “know” God is to listen to His word, which is Holy Scripture, the Bible”, we also come to know Him in our hearts and in the subtleties of veryday life wherein He speaks to your heart, making us understand things that we might otherwise miss.



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Aleks

posted November 22, 2008 at 2:35 am


He apparently has trouble believing that any people will be punished for evil by going to hell… He is incorrect about Christians believing that people who have never heard about Jesus are going to hell. Those people will be judged on the basis of their conscience, as the new testament states. I this this statement perfectly describes who he is(!): “Part of the reason I think it’s always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest commong denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.” “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die.” That makes him a modern-day Saduccee, who does not believe in the resurrection. Sin is “being out of alignment with my values?” How about being out of alignment with God’s values, dude? His most spiritual sensation is “being true to myself”? That’s not faith. That’s just psychological health. Faith is being true to God. His prayer life is “constantly asking myself questions”? Pretty strange. He accepts that Jesus is a good teacher, but does he believe that Jesus is God? That’s what I want to know. That’s the one question that will tell you whether he is a Christian or not. So far, his beliefs look to me more like the faith in Obama, rather than faith in God, so much does it revolve around himself.



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Mark

posted November 22, 2008 at 9:45 am


Great discussion everyone, and for the most part very sincere and without condescension. Nicely done.
I just want to offer that as a Christian, I have never felt it was about getting “God’s man into the White House.” Jesus entirely ignored the political events of his time, because God’s goal is not to establish Christian government, it is to redeem the human race and bring us back into relationship with Himself.
To my knowledge, Church and State together has never been a good thing, so why strive for it in the half-measure of wanting the president to follow Jesus? In China the government is ruthlessly athiest, and weekly I hear stories of how the Chinese church is exploding in secret house churches all over the country. Faith thrives under hardship and falls asleep when generally culturally accepted.
You know the Chinese Church has been praying for years that Christians in the U.S. would come under hardship and struggle? Hardship wakes us up. The economy is tough right now, there are serious problems all around, the question is: are we looking to Jesus or Obama as our saviour?
Obama could be intelligently universal about his faith to gain the widest appeal. He could also very easily be the product of a cultural christianity that forgets Jesus said He was the one and only way. I’m not sure. But Obama will hopefully do a good job being a tolerant president that governs for the entire nation, no matter what their belief. Christians won’t be locked up for not being pluralists, I will be able to debate and discuss and show people the love of God without worry. America is still a great place to live.
To summarize, I like Obama, regardless of whether his faith conforms to mine. As individual yes, I want him to know Jesus truly and follow him. But I do not require it of my president.
Ultimately, I don’t believe that wanting the U.S. to be a Christian Nation with a Christian President is biblical or desirable. Faith can’t be legislated. Jesus doesn’t work from the top down, He works from the inside out. No government is even remotely near the center of Christ’s focus, loving each and every human heart is.



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Crystal

posted November 25, 2008 at 2:23 pm


I disagree with Mark’s statement. I believe we should desire a Christian Nation and a Christian leader and that it is Biblical. What would our main purpose as Christians be if it wasn’t to have the desire to lead others to Jesus Christ, even a whole nation? When do we as Christians get to take that hope away? No, it is our desire and responsibility as Christians to have that hope of a whole nation believing Jesus Christ as God. (For Jesus told his deciples that when they looked at him they had seen the Father.) We should want our leaders to follow the Holy Spirit and not their own understanding. Because then, we could further God’s Kingdom work even more. It is when we as individuals, leaders, and as a nation turn to our own understanding, we grieve the LORD. The Bible says we should not grieve the LORD. And Like Mark said in previous comment, “Jesus works from inside out”, let Jesus work inside our nation and out to the others. “GOD is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.” Psalm 46:1
Shouldn’t we desire Jesus as hope in our nation and a leader who will proclaim that very hope to our nation? I mean, if he doesn’t proclaim Jesus as God than he is a false teacher of the truth therefore a false hope to our nation. Let us pray for Barack Obama and all our leadership.



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Steve

posted November 25, 2008 at 4:25 pm


In Obama’s defense, which I never thought I’d be doing, Phil 4:8 says that we can and should find inspiration in other things in addition to the bible. Also, while I believe that no “truth” can contradict the Bible, I do believe that a person can learn about God simply by having his Spirit’s guidance. If thats their only influence then their beliefs are going to be culturally influenced, but if they have Jesus as Savior and Lord than on some level they have truth. Paul, only having the OT, learned from Jesus without having any instruction from others. I believe that because the bible says Jesus is the only way that we should put our faith in this and act as if this is true, but I’m sure we will all be surprized on who we’ll see in Heaven someday. And as to those who think we should oppose Obama, hes elected God to be his judge… we should follow Jesus’ advice in Mark 9:38-41. And Jesus even advocated following the Pharisee’s teaching as long as you didn’t imitate their actions… give thanks for what good Obama brings and be aware that he is just a man and you’ll go fine.



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John McGeorge

posted November 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm


I have read Obama’s entire interview and what is clear is that his “salvation” is by works, not by faith aloone in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and resurrection for our salvation. I have lived in communist nations, worked in Muslims and Hindu nations, and seen the terrible devastation around the world in those nations that do not proclaim the One True God as their God. There is an interesting book entitled, “Democratic Capitalism” written by a Catholic showing factually and historically how the Christian faith has developed our nation in a way that non-Christian nations have never developed, and a few other nations in the West as well. Because Obama doesn’t believe in Christ as the “only way” to God, he is open to whatever spirit speaks to him through people, media, advisors, music, and so on. 1 Cor. 2:15 says the MATURE discern ALL things against God’s one true standard. A true believer must discern according to the objective standard of the Revelation, better known as the Word of God, and not by some subjective standard or other beliefs. Also, referring to the last post, Phil. 4:8 infers that those other things must be godly, in order words, only in accordance with God’s revealed Word alone. For example, the early Christians did not go to the theatre because the Greek word for “hypocrite” is the same word for actor. So even when we see actors and actresses acting, they are really hypocrities, according to God’s Word, because they are doing or saying something they don’t believe. Sadly, Obama appears to be a typical church goer who believes that doing good things will get them to heaven; but Jesus said in Mt. 7:21, “Not every one who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of heaven; but he who does the WILL of My Father who is in heaven.” To be a Christian requires us to know, understand and do the WILL of God, and nothing less. Furthermore, we are saved by faith and then we do good deeds as a manifestation of our faith in Christ as Lord and Savior, and never to get into heaven. Compare James 2:17-18 with Romans 3:28; then read James 2:19-26: you will be shocked at how strict and objective are God’s standard. James states that “You believe that God is one, You do well; the demons also believe…” Beliefs in and of themselves do not save us, and belief in the wrong word will lead to hell, no matter what! To be a Christian requires the right Biblical beliefs which is a function of the mind and spirit, and clearly Obama beieves that there are many ways to God, which is absolutely wrong according to God. If Buddhists believe that God may or may not exist, and Christians believe He does exist, someone is wrong. If Muslims believe that God is caprious and can do evil while Christians believe that God is loving and merciful and can never do anything evil, someone is wrong. If atheists believe that God doesn’t exist and Christians believe He does, then someone is wrong. I could go on and on, but the truth is: it doesn’t matter what we believe, what matters is what God believes and have reveal to us through the Biblical writers and what He calls us to believe everyday and every hour if we want to be saved and do His will.



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posted November 26, 2008 at 3:52 pm


Great interview, disheartening comments as usual. I’d like to ofer that as God Incarnate myself, my brother Jesus would like you all to take him off the pedestal as some sacrifice for our sins. And no, I’m not being biblical, because the Bible is just a book of wisdom, not the Word of God. And yet, just like Jesus, the Father and I are One and our love for you is eternal and unconditional. I love you because Love is Who I AM. When you wake up to this truth, you can come to know Jesus as a reflection of our own Christness, not some otherworldly incarnation of God in a profane world. Your faith, sadly, blinds you to your Truth. Burn the bible, take Jesus down from the cross, and open your heart to the one and only thing that matters: Love and Compassion. Obama’s intuition is taking him down this path and that is a wonderful thing.
Now, to prove my point, if what I just said upsets and offends you, why is that? Why should anything matter about what I say or do other than whether I love you and treat you with compassion. It doesn’t, but your certainty in your faith has shacked you to one way of knowing good–whichever way you interpret your scripture of choice. God is great. God is infinite. And God is beyond the limits of your petty faith. If you could only truly see… but that would take an open mind and heart, and the willingness to educate oneself about such things as the historical Jesus, biblical exegesis, and world relgions. Are you willing to do this at risk of learning you are wrong about the big answers to life?
Your posts are all too sad…



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Bridgett

posted November 27, 2008 at 12:21 am


Burn the Bible?
Well, that’s an interesting solution.
I do find it telling that people want Jesus for their own purposes, but seem to not want that Jesus to be the Jesus of the Bible.
If you have an issue with what the Bible says, take it up with Jesus.
He wrote it.



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posted December 2, 2008 at 8:33 pm


I find this fascinating. Absolutely astounding that our clergy was either hushed or ignorant to this. If that had been a GOP he would have been dragged thru hell in public. Pitiful that the church cares more about tax free status than they do truth. Sickening that USA has lost it’s moral compass. Because Obama’s moral compass is obviously as fake as he is.



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posted December 3, 2008 at 4:12 pm


Obama states ‘there are many paths to the same place” and he “cannot imagine that his God would consign 4/5ths of the human race to hell”. These statements demonstrate either a woeful lack of what the word of God says on these topics, or a knowing rejection of what it states. Yes, it is not PC nor seen as ‘intelligent’ by intellectuals who reject faith in God to say one only comes to the family of God through accepting Jesus Christ as Savior, or to aknowledge that as the Bible states, ‘only a few enter in” in terms of entering the heavenly kingdom, but that is the reality of it according to the Bible–which is authoritative on these matters. He even finds it difficult to say he believes in heaven–to say the word ‘heaven’, as though it would be embarrasing to embrace a place described as existing in the spirutal realm as a place of reward for Christians–embarrasing as in ‘not indicative of a highly intelligent person to do so’. He states over and over again that sin is to not “be true to himself, his values”. I think he sees himself as a very moral person and just accepts that his morality is in line with the word of God. He may have an internal diaglogue going on where he checks himself often– his motives, etc., but he has to check it against something–and it does not seem he has the word of God internalized and is checking it therefore against that. He shows by his statements that he has NOT accepted some major doctrinal teachings. That is really a big problem–he appears to be trusting in himself, not God based on hsi statements in this interview.



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posted December 3, 2008 at 4:15 pm


….so it would appear that he is in fact not born again at all.



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damianmann

posted December 5, 2008 at 4:42 am


You would think that ONLY the Republicans have faith. If you believe them, all Liberals are unrepentant heathens. The republican leaders USE the less educated Christians in a way that only could be described as Satanic. They mix truth with lies. They mislead rather than lead.
America is in the midst of a total collapse because they have led with falsity. They are the problem…NOT their followers…
because we ALL want to do God’s work. but we expect honesty and act upon lies that we don’t know are lies. God wants us TO SEEK the truth…not have it handed to us. It takes a bit of effort. lazy Christians will be our downfall.



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damianmann

posted December 5, 2008 at 4:45 am


If you need to know if Obama is REALLY an American citizen…go read The William Holmes Blog. There is proof, including his birth records there.



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Ron Decker

posted December 5, 2008 at 5:52 am


I find Obama to be lacking…in does he really know who he is and might be talking to internally, that is, plain to see or hear from him that he doesn’t know.
To me he justifies my belief he is The Antichrist, as one that is a great orator and world liked everywhere because he says all the right
things. I’ll be watching this one and I am Ron The Baptist, who knows many things that matter…to and for us all, as one with great power myself, but my power comes from knowing God on high through Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I also know and can prove that we all are, in fact, a Living Ghost or Spirit…if you will and that’s one that will never die, but live for all eternity in either heaven or hell and that’s for sure!
Ron…A Quantum Fundamental Spirit Force in and of Nature…and I can prove that too, as we all are, as good and right, in the game of life, will win out ever time over bad and wrong…every time, as life is a game of winners and losers and when ever you have winners and losers, you have a game…The biggest game you or anyone will ever play in at that also. Amen!



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Ron Decker

posted December 5, 2008 at 6:54 am


Oh and another thing…Obama is wrong anyway, as God did give room for
all others to be saved, as it is written in Acts 11:16…”John Baptized with
water, but you will be Baptized with The Holy Spirit.” In that regards all that believe
in their God, in and of which is all our God and their God is a Ghost or Spirit, of course…Can be Baptized with The Holy Ghost and who is it that thinks they can oppose God, as it says in the Bible?
My mission from God is to one day soon prove to the whole world that we all
are a Living Ghost, as only I can and will because I believe also that these are our last days as we know them to be…the signs are all around us that it is.
Ron D. A Quantum Fundamental Spirit Force of The Great Fundamental Spirit Force = God on high, as the God of all.
PS…Must not have read his Bible as good as he thought he might have.



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posted December 5, 2008 at 7:58 am


I really don’t think Obama knows what he believes… You can tell he spent alot of time rehersing that one, his answers were so repetitive. I’m glad i read this interview cause i didnt’t know that his belief system was so jumbled. Although now I’m worried about were he might be leading us to?



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posted December 5, 2008 at 10:27 am


Since when is it a bad thing to express your own religious beliefs and values while still respecting the beliefs and values of others? I don’t think Obama’s religious views are jumbled at all; I think he’s right on target. He clearly understands his own beliefs as something not to be ashamed of but to act on in a manner that both reflects what he holds close to himself as morally important to him, but also tolerates, understands, and respects others to have different religious beliefs that they hold just as dear to themselves. Obama is both unafraid to voice his views and also willing to listen and understand the views of others. He also isn’t going to let his own, PERSONAL views affect his politics in any way other than to stand up for what he thinks is right; for example, unlike Bush, he won’t try to make laws out of his beliefs or try to apply his religion to everyone who lives in the United States by trying to ban gay marriage or illegalize abortion. Bush takes his religious views and assumes that everyone else should think and believe exactly what Bush thinks and believes. Obama, on the other hand, believes something, but lets others believe what they believe in return. It’s very refreshing that we have elected someone who can understand how to RELATE his own values and beliefs to his job, to this country, to his decision-making process without just APPLYING his values and beliefs to his job, to this country, to his decision-making process.



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Sunshine

posted December 5, 2008 at 2:46 pm


Sounds like a Bright to me, not like anybody isn’t(just some don’t know it, and that removes my suspicion of him having any dogma and that he remains healthily skeptical of ism schisms. Anybody who can say anything less or more when nobody knows is at a loss.



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Ron

posted December 6, 2008 at 12:22 am


Anybody who can say anything less or more when nobody knows is at a loss?
SAY WHAT? That’s exactly what evil wants you to think or ANYONE else.
You know and EVERYONE KNOWS what is right and what is wrong and if you
believe that you don’t…you believe only what evil wants you to believe,
as it misleads you, creates doubt within you and misleads you to think
somehow you don’t know…YEAH RIGHT! Look all around you and you can see
and hear evil everywhere, as people claim they don’t know what’s right
and what’s wrong. When are we going to take a stand for what’s right and
what’s good and not act like we don’t know? Give me a break!
I tell you the truth…Obama is and will be The Antichrist as he will turn
this world into a one banking system and New World Order. First thing
to look for is when he attacks Pakistan, as it seems he can’t wait till he starts
his own war and then WW3 Armageddon…Mark my Words!



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Sunshine

posted December 6, 2008 at 3:07 pm


Evil is a very old lie, It started I believe around the time of the myth of redemptive violence 2500BC. It is well studied by Theologists such as Walter Wink. Might makes right, war can lead to peace, the good guy always wins and the bad always comes back. Patriarchy over Matriarchy. These are all things that come from this, as well as what you see indoctrinated into your children today on television shows carrying the same myth that all major monotheism derives from. http://www.biblesociety.org.uk/exploratory/articles/wink99.pdf



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Ron

posted December 6, 2008 at 8:31 pm


Florida WINS SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME in College Football and Tim Tebow,
Florida Gators QB…Says, “ALL THANKS TO MY LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS
CHRIST…and again on Nation TV “May God Bless!” as he is up for The
Heisman Trophy and looks like a shoe in. His mother and father are
Missionaries in Bangladesh, as the announcers reported that too on
National TV. This means more for our young adults, as to have faith
and believe in ones self…more than any other thing in modern times
could ever do….that is, as to all the vile things that are on TV
nowadays. All Glory be to God on high!
Just thought I would mention that and it is truly a great thing for
a Super Star in College Football to announce before all…his Lord and
Savior, Jesus Christ.
Ron The Baptist, and A Quantum Fundamental Spirit Force in and of all
Nature, as He that is in me…it is I that is in Him! Believe!



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posted December 8, 2008 at 9:38 pm


I wonder to the people who have commented negatively about Barack Obama if they feel in alignment with God, Christ, the universe, etc.. When we are trying to control others and tell them how to live their lives we can not possibly feel in alignment. It has been proven that when one is trying to control another person the person does feel anxiety and fear. Throwing how you believe onto another person and trying to convert them to that; is trying to control another person. And, for the one who said Obama is the antichrist…why don’t you look up what religion our founding fathers were. They founded this country to be free from religious persecution, unfortunately in many parts of this country if you are not Christian you are not treated as an American. Our world is falling apart because people don’t question what is told to them and then think they have a right to tell someone else what they should do in their life. If we were to keep in mind people all have their own paths and what is right for one may not be for another. Fear of being a sinner is a great way to keep people in line when you do not want them to think for themselves! How much better our world would be if we were to stop pushing our believes on others? And, again for all those people that believe everyone should be forced to believe the way you do; it is the exact same thing Al Qaeda is doing except in a less physically violent way, but emotional violence is still wrong!



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Ron

posted December 9, 2008 at 10:00 am


Hey! I know…why not tell them what we did to the Indians when we came
here too and what was Columbus really looking for…maybe opium. Or how about
what the Brits did to China and their people when THEY DECIDED TO END THE SHIPMENTS
OF OPIUM and because the Brits didn’t like that they started a war with them.
How about we just all lay down and take everything for granted as good for us all.
How about you maybe post your name or maybe you can tell us about what really happened
on 9-11? Sheesh guy I don’t know where I would be without your so good advice.
Oh and how about you tell us all about Nixon and how of such a good guy he was too.
Or you could tell us all about the United States that wants to combine all 3 of North America as one and our next dollar will be called Amera-euro. You know…just like what Europe did and are now have the Euro’s instead of The Pound and are called The European Union.
Yeah big man or whatever…tell us what is what and why and how we need to shut up.and just lay down and take it, as we have over and over again and again and again…since they started wars and the children couldn’t wait to join the Army that killed their grandparents and bring home good money and wear them mighty fine medals. lol
NAH…I think I will keep my free speech.



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JGalt

posted December 17, 2008 at 7:17 am


FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
FALSANI:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.
I think the above was a very telling statement. When he is out of line with his values that is sin. That leaves him a lot of room to redefine what is “is”. Everything is judged by his values. Forget the Ten Commandments. Forget the judgment of God. This is no Christian no spiritual man. This is a supreme egotist with a good line of patter.



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theBuckWheat

posted December 17, 2008 at 8:26 am


The Bible defines sin succinctly in 1 John 3:4 “Sin is the transgression of the law.”.



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G.D. Nobody

posted December 29, 2008 at 1:43 am


To Ron and all the others: Jesus, in Matthew 10:34, says “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.”
As you are a truth-teller and one of the true Christians, why don’t you bring a sword to all of us non-believers and Obama supporters, if you know what I mean? Then there will be no Ameros and Tim Tebow can pass for all the touchdowns he wants.
We are marking your words, indeed.



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Peter G

posted January 23, 2009 at 11:33 am


Dear Interviewer Did you have any such interview with so called reformed Christian Bush whose Charisma in action shows purely a devil. If you had any such interview with Bush, kindly let me know so that I would like to see how devils ont only claim themselves christians but prove themselves Chritians also.



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Frank

posted January 24, 2009 at 12:47 am


Wow. He sure sounds like a New Age follower to me. It is a free country but his answers do not follow the traditional Christian beliefs, Catholic or Protestant. He says he only went to church on Easter as a child and you can’t expect a very developed Christian faith from someone raised this way. I pray to God for our country. As these comments demonstrate, we have a vast array of beliefs in this country and somehow we need to find a way to all get along. Personally, I am looking to God, through prayer, to guide us. Those of us who are Christians need to lead by example. We can never force others to believe in the Gospel. It was by example that the early Christians won over the Romans and converted so many. From a handful of followers, we now have over 2 billion members! However, Christians have become lazy in their faith, particularly in the Western World. We need to return to our roots. We can not be people of hate and anger but must be people of hope. As a devout Catholic, I could not vote for Obama. I have been very discouraged and I am very concerned about the years ahead. However, we must trust in God and be people of hope. This is what Jesus taught and He certainly lived in an age of political opposition and knows what we are up against.
God Bless all of you.



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posted January 24, 2009 at 3:57 pm


Torin, on the 28th of November 2008: You mde an outstandingly marvellous comment! I agree with you 100%.



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salman

posted March 8, 2009 at 8:15 am


Great interview.



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The Real Truth!!!

posted March 25, 2009 at 1:24 pm


This is for all the true bilievers that knows what God has set forth, no man can change but only enhance it. With that spoken… their are many people who will seek there own agendas outside of the ability of a man who was blessed by God to assist this nation. It is history, you nor I can change….. I do believe that with this Great change America has “asked for forgiveness” in the many evils it has conducted over the past few centuries. No president has ever done that, Why? We must understand when there is are peole who dislikes of another person because of his/her or your beliefs are not christians. It’s sad that we call ourselves christian when there’s a hidden agenda…again, why?? Our Religion is our personal beliefs and not one that we shoud tag to a person as we were before asking forgivness ourselves and we still are sinners and none are perfect here on earth…As once stated” He who without sin, cast the first stone, president Obama has worked harder in 60 days than most had done their first year. I pray to God everyday that he gives him the strength to lead us out of this failure we are in and cast out the many ill wills who come aginst him and will use not their support but their desires and personal feelings to attempt to stop what God has put in place….We all have to be accountable at one or another… and what if you are wrong. May God have mercy on your soul…



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posted March 31, 2009 at 4:40 am


This really is worrying. He seems to be taking a bit of every religion. He claims those with one minded thoughts on God and heaven are ignorant and don’t have true understand. To call him self a christian is not correct, as his values do not line up with biblical values. This is new age thinking, believing in a higher source and all. And christian do believe Jesus is the only way to heaven. People who haven’t heard of God will be judged according to their works, God is not meant, he’s a loving God.
Am just extremely disappointed he is labelling himself Christian, when he clearly does not have those values. Thats like calling yourself a professional ballerina and not attending any classes, but you know how ballerina’s move but don’t apply it in your life.
He’s decieving so many people, it would be much better for him to say he’s a new age believer. People need to pick up their bibles and go back to their roots (something Obama doesn’t want), because the bible has a lot of truth.
Say a biologist reads biology texts books and accumalates knowledge. If someone comes up to them and says something inconsistant with their knowledge, the biologist knows or feels its not correct and can check their texts books and realise the information giving was wrong. Same way’s christians can read their word and any inconsistancies can be made known. God says my sheep hear my voice.
Soon i guess we’ll be hearing about one world religion, as Obama is “tolerant” to religious views. In others words, he’ll bend his back over anything suggested religion wise.



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posted April 2, 2009 at 7:36 pm


Judging from the interview, Obama seems to be a person of faith but keeps his faith subordinate to reason. The more people of faith who followed his example, the more tolerant our world would be.



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posted April 15, 2009 at 7:27 pm


Christianity is Faith With Reason. Christians do not make up their own decisions about right and wrong. They follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, Who is God, not “another historical figure.” Jesus loves the sinner, but not the sin.



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S.J. Brown

posted April 16, 2009 at 10:20 am


Obama’s heart is seeking ultimate tolerance, love & peace, but not ultimate Truth. The previous comments made about thinking you know something about biology, or the like, but you don’t go back and research the “studied standard” to get factual knowledge; or thinking you’re a professional ballerina if you watch a performance and appreciate it’s beauty, but you don’t immerse yourself in the dance or study it in classes are good examples of how many people, including Obama seem to think they’re Christian. It all depends on WHO your “Source of Truth” is. Sin is NOT about veering away from our values; Sin is about going against God and HIS values. The only nation who had a personal relationship totally with God and the only people who were totally governed by a theocracy (in difference to a monarchy or dictatorship, etc.) were the Israel nation of the Jewish people. And all their teachings of sacrifice & blessings and their history of prophesies & lineage as written for us in the Old Testament, all point to the Christ Jesus as the only True Son of God and Savior of the world. He became the ultimate and final “Sacrificial Lamb” substituting for us and taking all the punishment that we should be bearing for our sins and suffered & died in our place. THAT is the ultimate Truth and act of Love. All we need to do is acknowledge the Truth that we are sinners and have sinned,then come to the Cross of Jesus, accepting His free gift of Grace & Mercy that our sins are forgiven by the shedding of His blood.
Thankfully, Obama is open to all people to search for the Truth, let’s pray he finds and acknowledges it.



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Bill

posted April 28, 2009 at 5:45 am


I hope that Mr. Obama enjoyed his ‘experiment’, I for one also had fun listening to the questions of small business people…funny how I didn’t see many of their questions with a lot of votes. Maybe next time Mr. Obama wants to reach out to the web users (young people), he can just make his own questions up from the get go so that we don’t relive today’s massive disappointment.
It a civic duty for all of us, no matter our political stripes, to welcome and support our new president and to give him a chance…



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Beth Heiney

posted April 30, 2009 at 5:46 am


Obama makes the following comment: I am a big believer in the separation of church and state. I am a big believer in our constitutional structure…I am a great admirer of our founding charter, and its resolve to prevent theocracies from forming, and its resolve to prevent disruptive strains of fundamentalism from taking root in this country.” I don’t recall any of the founding fathers talking like that, and there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution as our current society defines it. This is the government’s way of trying to hush Christianity and force it to be something it is not. Mr. Obama would do well to read up on what the founding fathers really thought of religious freedom and remind himself of the price that people paid for that freedom.



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Beth Heiney

posted April 30, 2009 at 6:04 am


“There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.” The “quarters” he is referring to are Bible-based believers. That is the main tenet of Christianity. Without it we are like any other religion that relies on works to get to heaven. If people would start with the premise that we are ALL destined to hell because of sin, then the hope of a Savior and His free gift is wonderful. However, if we believe, as Mr. Obama does, that we can just be a good father and do our best then we’re OK, we no longer need a Savior. Very sad that this man is making decisions that will affect a country whose primary base is Christian.



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Beth Heiney

posted April 30, 2009 at 6:08 am


Mr. Obama states: “I’m a big believer in tolerance. I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt. I’m suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.” What religion on this earth leaves room for doubt or encourages it?? Yes we are limited in our understanding, but we don’t, because of that, doubt. We pray for faith and trust God for the rest. I imagine that if you could poll those suffering in hell right now on how glad they are that there were those that were “tolerant” of them and their beliefs while on earth there would be a resounding groan. Actually I feel sorry for someone who can not confidently proclaim his faith in Christ and his assurance of salvation!!



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G.D. Nobody

posted May 25, 2009 at 2:18 am


Gee, Beth, my Bible says right there in James 2:14-17 this…
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good [1] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
You’re the very sad one. For it says right in the Bible we both read that those truly saved need faith AND works. Not one. Not another. Not neither. Both.
What do I know? I’m just the G.D. Nobody…



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Frances Carpenter

posted July 14, 2009 at 9:55 pm


Reading this makes me very sad. Not that we have to have a Christian president, but if one claims to be a Christian, a Born Again Christian he should be able to know what the Bible says on the most basic of questions. i.e, “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens to us after we die” and “I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place If one is truly rooted in Christianity, one would know there is only ONE way to God, or heaven, Jesus said “I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life, and NO ONE, comes to the Father, except through me” Evidently that’s one verse, one important verse, Barak Obama missed, while he was being rooted in Christianity. and his answer to “do you pray often?” Oh yeah, I guess I do” Hey, you either do or you don’t, it’s not something you guess at. God have mercy.



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Mona

posted July 25, 2009 at 8:39 am


Jesus is the only way. Judge not for you will be judged in the same way. Free will makes us who we are. God Bless Obama for stating his religion. No one knows any one person in their heart truly. May God Bless everyone always.



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posted August 1, 2009 at 8:10 pm


It’s just as I believed when I read this interview: Obama does not understand the real tenets of the Christian faith. I didn’t vote for him not because of race ( I’m of mixed race myself) however, I cannot agree with the issues of his party. Abortion is murder. Gay rights infringe upon my rights. (Would Obama consent to his children being taught “non- gender specificity” in school.) How “tolerant” can you be when children’s lives and education are at stake. Those doctors who don’t want to perform abortions or euthanisia – where are their rights? I could go on and on about the “Freedom Act” which allows gays rights and Christians none. You know, Obama’s theology sounds like something he got from those talking heads on trash TV. “All paths lead to HELL” There is only one way to heaven: Jesus Christ. No, God would not send a Hindu child to hell. Children below the age of reason do not go to hell. Pagans who do not accept the gospel DO GO TO HELL. The Lord promises that he will give them a chance to hear and repent. People send themselves to hell NOT GOD.
Gandhi was a slick politician, and he slept with teenage virgins. As to the separation of church and state, Hitler said if you tell a lie long enough – no matter how big it is – the public will believe it! CHURCH FOLK FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY AND WROTE ITS CONSTITUTION.
Just what do they teach at Harvard anyway?! CHRISTIANS FOUNDED HARVARD – NOT THAT YOU’D KNOW THAT TODAY.Obama needs to study his Bible, and pray that the Lord will enlighten him. JOANNE



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posted August 18, 2009 at 11:33 am


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Meridian

posted August 22, 2009 at 2:35 am


This is why evangelical Christians must intercede for President Obama — not condemn him. Because he knows elements of the Christian faith, could he not be more receptive to the Truth if presented clearly? I think what Pastor Rick Warren could do is ask the President if he would have a 7-week study on John 1-3 with. The tradition of Trinity United Church of Christ may not believe the Bible is the authoritative Word of God. Once the President understands this is the pivot point of authentic Christian discipleship, he will have been presented with the ulitmate choice in his decision to follow Christ. Now, it may be that he has a personal saving faith in Christ, but gave a political answer in this interview to appeal to the most people in his quest for the presidenct. Lots to pray about — right?



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Your Name

posted August 25, 2009 at 11:06 am


Since this interview was done in 2004 and as Christians we are all a work in progress. Who knows except perhaps God and the President where he is, today, in his faith, beliefs and relationship with Christ. If we each took a look back five years, could we honestly say we are the same? That our faith has not grown? That our relationship with Christ has not changed? And if there is no growth or now change, what have we done or not done that would have us in that condition? To have a measure of faith is one thing but to move from faith to faith, strength to strength, and glory to glory is maturing in Christ. We mature as we learn more about Him and ourselves. We mature when we take what we learn and apply it to our daily lives.
In 2004, it is possible that the President with his measure of faith was on his way to glory to glory. With us all been given that same measure, we could ask ourselves have we moved forward and matured more in Christ? And if we have, are we being judged by what somebody heard us say or saw us do five years ago? Only God knows the true heart of man – even those who profess that they know that Christ is the only way. So as to whether or not the President is following Him, I will leave that judgment up to God because He is just in His Judgments.



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G.D. Nobody

posted February 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm


Well, there it is, Richard. Now I’m convinced. Obama really is the anti-Christ! See you in the Lake of Fire! Oh wait, you won’t, Richard. Because you’re going up with the Rapture. It’s only us liberals who will be down there. After all, as you say, “The face of the Statue of Liberty could easily be changed to look like Nero Caesar within a week!”



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G.D. Nobody

posted February 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm


“This is why evangelical Christians must intercede for President Obama — not condemn him.”
This is all wrong. He deserves every condemnation, especially from evangelical Christians. You must condemn him again and again every single day from here on out, until he is drummed right out of office. As I stated in this comment section over a year ago “Jesus, in Matthew 10:34, says “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” So I still don’t understand why the true Christians haven’t brought a sword to all of us non-believers and Obama supporters, if you know what I mean?
Intercession is surrender. Condemnation leads to the fulfillment of the Revelation.



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I think G.D. Nobody misses the point of the scripture he quotes. Jesus said that he would do those things–not his followers. His followers are not called to kill people or take the sword to them, that is something that is up to God.



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posted August 20, 2010 at 3:52 pm


I’m not sure why the President calls himself a Christian. The term “Christian” has taken on different meanings but I would understand that if we want to know what it is, that we look to the Bible, that which is Christian’s understanding of the Word of God. In the Bible, Jesus says he is the Way, the Truth and the Life, that there is no other way to heaven other than through Him.
Mr. Obama is in a place where I think a lot of Americans are….sin is not going against someone’s own values, it’s going against what the known will of God is. It’s tough for the President but if he is not going to follow the Bible 100%, then I would almost rather him not even associate with Christians. I would assume that Muslims or Jews would feel the same way if he called himself a part of one of those religions.



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posted August 20, 2010 at 3:56 pm


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Marlene Langert

posted August 20, 2010 at 3:57 pm


I had the feeling all along that he was lying, but no way it could be proven. One thing I do know is that he went to a muslim school in INdonesia, NOT a catholic school. Also, his grandparents and his mother were communists, so they had no religion at all. So knowing those parts were lies, it’s pretty safe to say the rewst likely was too.



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Renee Bounds

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:04 pm


This is guys is a master at doublespeak. He has no clue about Jesus Christ. His actions speak much louder than the empty rhetoric of this “confessional” of his faith. He has faith only in himself and his monstrous ego. He is a classic narcissist and thus, completly opposite of the “selfless” commands of Jesus Christ. Jesus was a servant. He is our example. Hussein is a wanta-be leader and wanta-be icon who wants worship and praise. Don’t fall for this Manchurian Candidate.



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Kerrin

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm


Mr. Obama is _not a Christian. He may think he is a Christian but he is most certainly _not a Christian.
Christians believe that there is One road, one path.. not many.
“So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.”
Also, he believes that “sin” is “Being out of alignment with his own values.” Not the values of God – but his own values..
He is not a Christian. The trouble is, so many people believe they are Christians and they are not at all… so he’s just like everyone else who has _no clue as to what the teachings of Jesus Christ were or how they are to be applied …la, la, la… I’ll just say I am a Christian and leave it at that – what he is seems to be much more of a “reformed Muslim” ..the guy is a fake and a liar and is leading our country into peril whether he knows it or not – what does it matter… he is ruining our country all the same.



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posted August 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm


The white house ayatollah is an accomplished liar. His words are meaningless–his deeds tell it all. He constantly panders to muslims world-wide and accuses America of not being a cHristian nation which we are. This phony is a closet muslim. He claims he worships privately with Christian pastors. The White House is extremely secretive but how often does he worhip privately with America -hating imans and what terrorist groups were represented at his Ramadan dinner? Whot attended that dinner> CAn this be determined and published?



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dt

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm


It sounds to me that Obama is his own god.



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Nina

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:22 pm


So then, why did he change his name to a Muslim name? Why not a Christian name? If he were a true Christian as he says, we would all still be calling him Barry! And his “past” he presents is also a lie. You cannot be a Christian and a communist at the same time. You cannot consider J. Wright’s church a true Christian church due to it’s hate preaching… sorry, I don’t buy his load of crap and never did. I believe he is a charlatan, a false prophet… the devil incarnate.



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Danya Hadzick

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:23 pm


I thin that this Cathleen Falsani is very gullible. Poor thing. Obama, I think, really believes he can fool everyone. And that’s extremely dangerous.



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cynthia

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:34 pm


Wow, Jesus is a historical figure, and there are many roads to God. This is new age, and pathetic, and if he had ever read the Bible, looked at the Words, of Jesus Christ, which is where the word Christian comes from, he would know there is only one road to God, through HIS SON, Jesus Christ.
Anything apart from that is blasphemy. Period. You cannot call yourself a Christian and say there are many roads to God, and that Jesus Christ was merely a person who had some cool teachings.
He was the Son of God, period, and one has to be born-again, surrender His life to Christ, in order to see the kingdom of heaven.
That is it, from the mouth of Jesus Christ, Obama’s historical figure. I wonder what he has done with the rest of the Bible, besides trash it, I guess.
And yes, caught in a lie. He did attend Muslim school in Indonesia. There are pictures of it all over the places, documents with it on them, and even his teachers from there discussed him.
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MIck

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm


How Falsani can listen to obama say that he’s all religions (and wants to get elected) and then ask ‘have you always been a christian’ is beyond me. Clearly he shouldn’t be a ‘reporter’ (welcome to the club) and certainly one on a ‘religious’ site.
obama isn’t a christian. From his own statements your safest assumption would be that he’s a unitarian or just a politician. Reality is likely muslim.



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Doug Story

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:40 pm


Dictator Oblama professing to be a Christian is one thing, what I’m basing my opinion that he’s NOT a Chistian is the slip up he made during an interview (with whom I forget), where he talks about “my muslim faith, I mean my Christian faith”.
Doesn’t get much plainer than that, totally unprepared to speak on his “faith”, he makes an honest slip.
No, B. Hussein Obama isn’t a Christian, he is however, America’s first (and last), Terrorist-in-Chief



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claudann

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:41 pm


I couldn’t agree more with all the posts so far. How far from being a Christian is it to say there is more than one way to God? If there is more than one way, then Jesus was a liar. He said he was the ONE way — NO ONE comes to the Father except through Him. So why would you want to be the “follower” of a liar?
I don’t believe Obama is a Muslim either. I believe he is an egotistical, self-centered atheist. If he beleives in any god, it is that he is a god.
Please dear Jesus, let this man be voted out in 2012! Perhaps the U.S. won’t be entirely destroyed by then.



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posted August 20, 2010 at 4:41 pm


During the campaign Obama said he was not in attendance during Reverend Wrights radical rants. I missed the commandment that says: It is OK to lie to the American people.
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FALSANI
Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.
Ever been there? Good service.
I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it’s kind of a meditation on race. There’s a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xBFK0yP4



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isnrblog

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:44 pm


Religion is for the weak minded. Obama would say he was Hari Krishna if it would get him elected. He says what the majority of voter want to hear. Jefferson spoke of the tyranny of religion, specifically Christianity and you can see that in posts here. Like “Kerrin’s” comment. “He ain’t no Christian because he doesn’t practice Christianity the way I do.” Pathetic.



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Bridget

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:44 pm


Obama is NOT a Christian…How can you call yourself a Christian and not recognize Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, the Son of God? His words are meaningless and most certainly indicate that as another individual said, he appears to have set the rules for himself, making him his own God. I hope he enjoys that piece of heaven on earth he spoke of: If he doesn’t wake up, it will be the all of heaven he will ever know.



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Cboyhacker

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm


It is difficult to really know what he believes, as he is a master manipulator, to his own ends. While I could go on and on regarding this lengthy interview, it seems to have said enough that Wright and “Father” Phlieger (SP) are role models, says quite enough to place Obama in his category. He said in his book that his mother was the greatest influence in his life, and she was at best a far left extremist who disliked the US and what it stands for. HIs comments about his white grandmother and her views on blacks said much on his views on race– none too good. He is in way over his head, and would say anything to survive. HIs comments long ago about Fox News or talk radio show he is skewed and would never accept any other side of the ideological argument.



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Jeffrey Johnson

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm


Obama claims to be a Christian, but in his explanations is not. He claims that there are more than one way to God (heaven after earth) than just the christian faith. This in its most simple form means that he is not a Christian.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.



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Rick

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm


Matt, you are right on. It appeared to me that the President would give one answer (He’s a Christian), and then give an explanation that watered down or contradicted his initial response.
The “right to choose” is something a Christian would oppose, morally and politically. We are called to be Christians first, not just when it’s convenient to do so.
I was interested to learn the President’s view on sin, is based on his own moral compass. I guess that makes it easier to be sin free on judgement day!



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Valerie

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:48 pm


Only an unbeliever would hear his words and conclude he is a Christian. Those who know the Word see huge red flags of heresy and false teaching.



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posted August 20, 2010 at 4:48 pm


As foOBAMA:
As I said before, in my own sort of mental library, the Civil Rights movement has a powerful hold on me. It’s a point in time where I think heaven and earth meet. Because it’s a moment in which a collective faith transforms everything. So when I read Gandhi or I read King or I read certain passages of Abraham Lincoln and I think about those times where people’s values are tested, I think those inspire me.
FALSANI:
What are you doing when you feel the most centered, the most aligned spiritually?
OBAMA:
I think I already described it. It’s when I’m being true to myself. And that can happen in me making a speech or it can happen in me playing with my kids, or it can happen in a small interaction with a security guard in a building when I’m recognizing them and exchanging a good word.
FALSANI:
Is there someone you would look to as an example of how not to do it?
OBAMA:
Bin Laden.
(grins broadly)
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xELZ7XGn
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Doug Story

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:50 pm


Then of course, there is the little front page story printed by the Chicago Sentinel in 2004 – “Kenyan born Barrack Obama makes a run for the US Senate”. They knew back in 2004 that B. Hussein Obama wasn’t an American, wasn’t even born anywhere near the US, and yet, the DNC went ahead and had him as their front runner in the Presidential Election.



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Phyllis

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:51 pm


I really do not believe that anyone can specifically say “He or she is a Christian” by any other means than someone’s actions and how they act.
Obama is NOT a Christian, by any means, due to his actions as a president. If he were, it would not be so secretive and he would not do the things that he does. He IS very self-absorbed and has been put in place by other people to take over this country. I pray that he will not succeed, and that these other people will be exposed. He is a liar and hates America. He didn’t even bring up the name of Jesus until the interviewer brought it up. This alone tells me that he is evil and a liar, and needs to be dealt with, that is removed from office, before it is too late.



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Kathy Fraser

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:53 pm


President Obama says he is a Christian, yet doesn’t believe what Christ Himself said, “No man can come to the Father but by me.” There is only one way to God. These days, Mr. Obama talks about collective salvation, essentially equating salvation with good works. The Bible has a different message: “For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, lest any man should boast.” Eph. 2:8,9.
Sadly, lots of people say they’re Christians, and probably truly believe they are, but they have no idea about what the Bible says about being born again. That’s why we must tell them.



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Kathy Fraser

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:54 pm


President Obama says he is a Christian, yet doesn’t believe what Christ Himself said, “No man can come to the Father but by me.” There is only one way to God. These days, Mr. Obama talks about collective salvation, essentially equating salvation with good works. The Bible has a different message: “For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, lest any man should boast.” Eph. 2:8,9.
Sadly, lots of people say they’re Christians, and probably truly believe they are, but they have no idea about what the Bible says about being born again. That’s why we must tell them.



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Grace

posted August 20, 2010 at 4:57 pm


As Christians, we’re to take people at their word as far as their faith – afterall, only God knows what’s really going on in their hearts. That being said however, Obama hasn’t done much to show the “fruits” of his Christian faith. How is he living as salt in the world or as Christ’s light in a world of darkness while creating so much division?? Either he doesn’t grasp Christ’s actual meaning of what it is to follow Him (not to mention the issue of varying paths? to salvation…) or Obama is a man of many faces – an appeaser, a very dangerous one in this case when it comes to our nation’s freedom and founding principles. Either way, he IS in need of prayer as are the Muslims being brainwashed by Islamic ideolgy.



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Doug

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:00 pm


Our current president is a plant. He was nutured from a very young age, by the progressive left to be where he is today. His sole mission
is to systematically destroy America.
I fear that unless he is impreached for not living up to the sworn oath he took, then we are doomed to a socialist lifesyle for generations to come.
One day not to far in the distant I fear we will all of a sudden wake up and say ” OH MY GOD GLENN BECK WAS RIGHT”
Wake up now America before its too late !!!!



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Plumb

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:03 pm


“FALSANI:
What are you doing when you feel the most centered, the most aligned spiritually?
OBAMA:
I think I already described it. It’s when I’m being true to myself.”
Very revealing! Is he his own God?



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Tea Party Tim

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:03 pm


Anyone who is first looking at this needs to go back and look at the comments from 2008 and forward to understand where we are in America. If Obama is a Christian and that is a huge if, then there has been absolutely no process of sanctification taking place in his life from the time that he “decided” to “claim” faith. Was there a confession of Jesus as the “Christ” or “Messiah”? A man can be “spiritual”, but is every “spirit” of God.
I John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.



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Vickie Cannon

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm


Do I think he’s actively lying? Not really. But I do think he is deceived. He is stating his own version of the truth. He has concluded that if you listen to your own conscience, do whatever is right in your own eyes and find a religion that makes you feel good, then God is satisfied and you are enlightened. Why do I think he’s not lying? Well, because this sounds alot like Oprah’s twisted version of Christianity. Many paths to God, God wouldn’t judge anyone, I don’t have to believe the Bible to be a Christian, etc. He only believes the Bible when it rings true to his internal belief system. He is surrounded with people who think the same way. Do you really think this perversion of Christianity is unique to Obama? He never has taken the time to understand why a reasonable person might choose to accept the Bible as a standard higher than their own thoughts. But if we are honest, not many of us bother to assume that the people who are opposed to us are reasonable people actively seeking the truth, either. And the arrogance we see in him is, sadly, mirrored in most of us. We just think it’s more acceptable because we are right. It’s not. Let’s see him as a seeker who has been (like all of us at various times) deceived by none other than the Great Liar. Yes, I think he is being sincere. When it comes to really understanding Biblical Christianity, he is fundamentally, sincerely wrong. But lets remember where God found us and not be so quick to feel superior. If we understand the truth, it’s only by God’s grace and not our own merit. Let’s glorify God for his mercy and pray for those who haven’t yet embraced true Christianity – including this very powerful but very lost soul.



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Glenda Cox

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm


Jesus said that nobody comes to the father except through Him So if Obama is a Christian why does he say that. Jesus is the son of God. Obama wants to have it all ways and that is not being a Christian. He also is trying to define God through his mind and God shows himself through the Bible not what Barack Obama decides He is. I say if he is not a Christian, admit it but to say you are and then try to water it down so you don’t offend anyone is just a man with no priniciples.



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Stan Morgan

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:10 pm


Thankfully, only God will judge any of us when it comes to our relationship with His Son, Jesus Christ. So then, the question of whether Barak Obama is a Christian is not mine to decide. However, the Bible (God’s Word – and the authority on the subject of who IS and who IS NOT a Christian ( a saved sinner, saved through the blood of Jesus Christ), is very specific about the subject. ” By their fruits, you will know them…” The most important “clue” to who is a Christian is their belief as to who Jesus Christ is. If someone believes that Jesus was simply ” a good man, a great teacher, a moral expample,” they have completely missed the boat. Jesus said ” I am the Son of God, who takes away the sins of the world.” He was either Lord, a liar, or a lunatic. There is no other choice.
It would seem that Barak has chosen to be luke-warm in his expression of belief in Jesus as God’s son, and the ONLY path to a right relationship with God. He can change. Unless he grows to a point where he fully accepts Jesus’ unique position as the only Savior, God promises to “spew him out of his mouth” because of his luke-warm attitude.
It is dangerous to try to appeal to every religion in order to appease. This is called “trying to please men, rather than God.”



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Elaine

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm


As a graduate in theology, and having been in ministry for 15 years, and studying religion all my life as a Christian, I can say unequivocally that what Obama describes here as his theology is NOT CHRISTIAN at all, but the church belief system of his grandparents, a Unitarian-Universalism. And in Rev. Wright’s church that was Black Liberation Theology, that teaches ONLY black men can be/are Christians and that Jesus was black (read “Manchurian President” for Wright’s quotes.) See the other two Obama mentions, priest and minister, who are also NOT Chrsitians by the Biblical traditional definition. Like all his muddled and scrubbed biography, so is his religion elusive.



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Doug Burgoyne

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:20 pm


Obama seems to think he is God. He says he talks to God everyday while asking “himself” why he is doing a particular thing. Or using HIS values as a way of measuring sin. Add that to his “collective salvation” he is ALWAYS yammering about and you have a guy that does not understand Christianity at all. Being saved is a very personal and individual thing. It is not a collective thing. I can still measure up to God through my faith and actions…even if my family or community falls short. It IS individual salvation that comes through faith and acceptance of Jesus Christ as our PERSONAL (not collective) Savior. I don’t know his heart, but Christianity seems to be more of a political pin for his lapel than personal belief. Would Jesus blame Bush for everything? Would Jesus play the race card every other day? Would Jesus think partial birth abortion is acceptable? Would Jesus vote in the IL state senate to not save live birthed abortion survivors? Would Jesus lie to millions of people everytime his lips moved? Would Jesus praise the muslim faith every chance he got? Good questions to ask a Christian man like Obama.



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jncarlos007

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:23 pm


Saying you are a Christian+ not believing what Jesus and the Bible say= NOT BEING A CHRISTIAN!!!
Whether you believe in Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam, or Buddhism, or ANY religion you CANNOT say that a person who says but does not believe in that religion is a member of that religion.



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Hank Haines

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:26 pm


It’s not that God would ‘consign four-fifths of the world to hell’, He has saved one fifth of the world from hell and has provided his only begotten Son as a sacrifice and savior for the entire world. That is His uncommon grace and mercy on all of us.



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Robert Cheeseman

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:27 pm


If someone accused Barry Obama of being a christian, would there be enough evidence to convict him? He is a good liar. Having personally seen all his preelection videos and having to listen to him now daily-He is the poster child for American Muslim of the year award. Lying is promoted to give one an advantage against an infidel. Christianity teaches the opposite. I feel for anyone who falls for his version of what being Born Again means- If Christ is not Lord of ALL, He is not Lord at all! Barack has told on videos that he cherishes his growing up years being taught the beliefs taken from the writings of a pedophile. Who is this Prince of Kenya really? I know he is a Marxist-look at the people he surrounds himself with- progressives/liberals that don’t believe in the sanctity of life of marriage- What he supports proves he is not a child of God.



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Bonnie

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:28 pm


I’m sorry but Obama can’t be a true Christian if he sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for twenty years and listened to the racial slurs and hate being hurled at whites and America in general. Christianity teaches tolerance and love for your fellow man and all Jeremiah Write preaches is division and hate.



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PETE

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm


OBAMA is a liar, a deceiver, probably a muslim and most of all he is a destroyer of our AMERICAN way of life. I firmly beleive that his ultimate goal is to destroy America!



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Gary Cummings

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:32 pm


What a Dufus.
I don’t see that he has any religion or trust and love of God or Jesus.As for “book learning”, he does not have much “Bible Learning”.
This man may be a muslim, but he is certainly not a Christian. He said nothing about a love for Jesus.
His moral compass is guided only by what he feels at the moment.
We are a Christian Nation, and need someone who knows the Lord Jesus as our leader.
I pray America will have another election, and send this nut back to Kenya.



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Joe

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:33 pm


Jesus said it all: “You judge a tree by its fruits”. OBAMA IS AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! HE IS A TROJAN HORSE! There are NO good fruits coming from obama. He is deliberately doing everything possible to harm and destroy every thing he possibly can of the USA. Cut NASA (where much of our militarily developments come from), cut the military, sues states that try to defend themselves, blocks ships that try to clean the oil spill, destroy our economy by the largest spending in human history causing devalue or our dollar and soon hyper-inflation and dollar collapse, raises taxes to destroy out business and commerce, makes “rules of engagement” so our soldiers can’t shoot back and defend themselves, supports muslims against the will of the American people, forces health care that the large majority of the people don’t want, sues the Sheriff who tries to protect Arizona and our country from illegal aliens (who bring in drugs and disease), tramples the constitution, supports a muslim church at ground Zero against the will of the American people, hides all sorts of things in the health care bill never told to the people including “You’ll have to pass it if you want to know what’s in it” (polosi), turned his back on the 100th birthday of the boy scouts while attending all muslim events, turns his back and refuses to attend Arlington cemetery on memorial day, makes the statement “whether we like it or not, the United States is still the major world power”, and releases our biggest military secret to the enemies by telling the whole world exactly how many nuclear weapons the United states has, cuts our nuclear arsenal by 1/3 and promises more, stops all research on all fissionable material (needed for our defense), states “I intend to disarm the United States so when the rest of the world sees that we no longer threaten them, they will disarm too.” (So he believes we threten the world and believes Russia, china, North Korea and Iran etc will all disarm when we do).
Etc etc etc. OBAMA IS THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! The “tree is judged by its fruits!”



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Chaco Burger

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm


A little unfair to pick over an interview (if I put myself in his shoes…) but I really love this exchange:
FALSANI: What is sin?
OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.
FALSANI: What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA: I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.
So sin is not being out of alignment with Go’d values – i.e. an absolute standard that is unchanging as God is – but by not being ‘true to yourself’. By that standard there is nothing that is universally sinful – and what was once sinful in your life can become ok if you re-define your values.
And the wages of sin? Just the harsh inner turmoil by being out of alignment with your own definition of truth. Is that turmoil more likely to change the value system (i.e. rationalization) or the behavior (i.e. sanctification)?



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Bob McHenry

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm


This was very insightful. I have to believe that President Obama is sincere in what he has said even though he is, like others have noted, deceived. More than anything I pity the man but it also makes me fearful for a generation of Americans who have been influenced by this age old deception. It is nothing new – been around since the days of Adam and Eve.



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REM

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:41 pm


First I’d like to say that he sounds very confused. If you are a Christian you should be “Christ-like”. Christian has become just a word that everyone uses when they don’t have a real religion to follow.
Christ like is something you have to work towards being. Believing is more than just saying I believe. You have to live it. At least work at living it. Christ was perfect. John 3:16 is a good verse to go back to…basic but powerful. For God so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life . That’s heaven. If you don’t believe we will perish and go to hell. Plain and clear. Mr. Obama wasn’t clear which tells me he isn’t a Christian. We will know them by their fruit! Sorry Mr. Obama, we don’t see fruit.



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Wayne

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:41 pm


Obama is a Muslim. I heard him tell George Stephanopoulos that he was a Muslim the summer before he was elected president. It was a slip of the tongue that he most likely wished he had not made. I am sure that there were others watching that interview that day besides me. Why does he treat the Muslims better than Christians? Why did he cancel the United States Air Force flyover out in Nampa, Idaho that recognized “God and Country” and which was a tribute to our military. Why did he have all the Muslim folks celebrating at the White House? Watch how he treats Christian and then watch how he treats Muslims. Folks, please do this if you have never done it before, Watch what Obama does, do not watch was he says. For more info. on that military flyover see this website:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/4880710855.html



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Terrence Tuthill

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:51 pm


There is no way….absolutely NO WAY Obama can deny or evade, as he does here, that in Wright’s Trinity Church and in Pfleger as his close friend that he has not been directly influenced by Black Liberation Theology. That is on the “Manifesto” or Creed you read when entering the Trinity Church. Obama is using terms and HIS wording to convolute his discussion and so called faith. Some of what he says, relative to how religion can get in the way of arriving at a peaceful solution I do buy. But, this guy is no Christian in the way a majority, a strong majority of Christians believe.
His recent moves relative to the Muslim “Faith” tell you all. He would tell you he is just suggesting tolerance, but I don’t buy that for a moment. Muslims want, WILL HAVE Sharia law in their communities and in this nation, or there will be some Hell to Pay, and you can put that in the bank for the long term. Obama is a charlaton, plain and simple.



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Teri

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm


There are no words to describe Obama but that he is truly from Satan himself. I believe they will make him head of the new world order. This is Brezinsky’s and Kissenger’s goal. They are priming to become head of the new world order. He is no Christian but a liar come from the Devil himself…..



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TRACY

posted August 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm


This interview made me physically sick to my stomach. Anyone who is a true Christian, who has a difinitive relationship with Christ, who has experienced being born again, who knows what it is to be a believer and obedient to the word of God, not obedient to my own knowledge and understanding, assuming the word of God is merely a route to some higher source, knows with every fiber of your being that this man is neither or ever has been a Christian, or experienced the power of the holy spirit. A Muslim? Probably…but a political plant, a schister anyone you cut him up, I just can’t wait for his power to be sliced in half in November!!



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SCGal

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:07 pm


OM,How can ya’ll be fooled? did you read the part who he looked up to?
BIN L.
Christian Churches do not preach hate. Duh!
Lord(as in “Jesus Christ, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) help us!



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Vernon

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm


That was the most wishy-washy declaration of “I’m a Christian” that I’ve ever heard. He has no feeling or intellectual reasoning which true Christians all know is garbage. He has no Holy Spirit in his soul.



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SCGal

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm


If he is a true Christian, B.O. would have said he looks up to God, not some cruel man,who planned to take away the lives of our friends in 9/11 –Ok I through venting now



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Gary

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:10 pm


Give the man a break. He gave an excellent example of what it means to be a secular Christian! He obviously has no clue of what it means to be a true Christian.



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Stan

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:11 pm


Why does Barak Obama hide his Birth Certificate, and the fact that while living in Indonesia, his government records show that he’s a Muslim? For someone who has nothing to hide about his past, then why has he gone to such lengths and expense to hide his Religion?? Why did he bow so completely to the King of Saudi Arabia? He is President of the United States of America, just what does he owe this king?? He sure didn’t bow before The Queen of England!!!
For something he says is not true, he sure raves a lot about it! To have sat in a Church with Pastor Jeremiah Wright for 20 years; and not be affected by this man’s Racial Slurs against the White Man, is just imposible, in my opinion!!!
This Mr. Obama, is not what he has m,ade himself out to be. He’s a Socialist, Marxist Communist, or whatever, but he sure as He__ is not a Christian! AQccording to Jesus, “Love thy neughbor as thself” just doesn’t fit him.



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Karen

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:15 pm


After reading this I am more sure than ever that he is not a Christian. I do however believe he is a Muslim.



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Sharon

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:18 pm


The interview reminds me why I voted for Obama– he is so thoughtful, humble about his own beliefs, and compassionate. I do not understand the really angry comments. He has very consistently said that he is a Christian. I think it is good that he respects people from other religions. Isnt tolerance of different religious beliefs what we want in a President? I am an elder in the Presbyterian Church and have done short-term overseas Missions work for evangelical non-denominational groups several times during my life. I think Obama is the best president we’ve had in my lifetime and I am saddened by the backlash against him.



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WARREN

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:27 pm


THE PRESIDENT MR. OBAMA SOUNDS LIKE A UNITARIAN-UNIVERSALIST, WITH A CHRISTIAN BENT.



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John Chandler

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:29 pm


Tell me one time NObama has told the truth about anything. This FRAUD is incapable of telling the truth ~~ EVER, and he surrounds himself with criminals and liars. Enough said?



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Nita

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm


He talks a good game but I haven’t seen him live the life of a Christian. By the end of George Bush’s 8 years I was ready for him to go! His spending and continuance of the wars was wearing thin on me and a lot of other Americans. BUT! I can say something for G. Bush. He was a solid religious man and a true Christian. He lived it everyday and he was an example to the country and made me know and understand where he was coming from. I never doubted his faith, I never had to think if he was religious ( and I don’t mean that he just had to be a Christian) he could have been Jewish, Muslin, or Buddist, and I would have known by his actions and words and deeds that he was a truly religious man. I don’t know that about Pres. Obama. His words, actions and deeds have not convinced me that he has religion or practices any type of religious structured life. He may, but he has certainly keep it well hiden from the American people. Hipocrits, my grandmother had no use for them because they were phoney, practiced sunday morning religion and then during the week lead lifes that certainly did not reflect their sunday morning pretenses. President Obama, don’t be a hipocrit. Practice a religion and live that life every day we will all gain a different respect for you…religiously. Your policies of governing are a total different matter, which I and millions of Amercians find totally opposite from what we want to be the direction of this country.



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HBMG

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:37 pm


Actually, (now) President Obama states that he DOES NOT admire Bin Laden. If you read carefully, you see that he states Bin Laden is his example of “how not to do it”. That stated, Mr. Obama is, as one commenter stated, “a secular Christian”. That means he does not support the use of violence (thus, not a Bin Laden admirer), but also he does not unequivocally state that Jesus is Lord. It appears he is trying to “do right” by all people. Thus, he is probably quite average among U.S. Presidents. If you, reader, are a truly saved Christian believer, you are ordered to pray for this man “and all in authority that we may live peaceful and godly lives”. I would encourage all who pray to ask that President Obama not fail into deception. He’s hasn’t much protection for his “values” if they are based on some “inner voice”. His confidence in that voice doesn’t give me much confidence in his ability to make good decisions as President.



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Joy Waggoner

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:40 pm


Blah, blah, blah. Are his lips moving…then he’s lying.



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Karen

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:41 pm


I love this question and answer:
FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
What? No mention of God whatsoever? Apparently Obama can only sin against himself. That’s a new one.



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Jerry

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:42 pm


I was not going to commet on this until I read SCGal commet. This is how things get started, now those who did not read all the interview will go off saying Obama looks up to Bin L. Now before I explain myself I want to point out I do not like Obama, never will, I think he is the worse President we have had since Jimmy Carter, But please read what was said, and I hope SCGal will realize the mistake.
(copied from above interview)
FALSANI:
Is there someone you would look to as- an example of how NOT to do it?
OBAMA:
Bin Laden.
(grins broadly)
FALSANI:
… An example of a role model, who combined everything you said you want to do in your life, and your faith?
OBAMA:
I think Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him.
I think Dr. King, and Lincoln. Those three are good examples for me of people who applied their faith to a larger canvas without allowing that faith to metasticize into something that is hurtful.
Again I want to point how the question was an example of “How NOT to do it” , this is no way says he looks up to Bin L



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SSCA

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:54 pm


For me the most telling question and answer is this:
FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
All Christians know that sin is not following God’s laws.



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Mimi

posted August 20, 2010 at 6:57 pm


President Obama may be thoughtful (humble –I think not), but one thing I believe — He is no Christian!



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Ron

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:00 pm


I was once told that a guy who prefaces statements with “I think …” is either very unsure of what he’s about to say and/or is lost in narcism. This liar is both. Then again, muslims RARELY allow you to see them, the real motivation behind their public facade of humility. NOW we know that this turd is SO narcistic that he & his cronies TRULY DON”T CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE BELIEVES, FEELS OR THINKS. Their conscious & deliberate desire to reduce MY nation to a mediocrity called islamic socialism is deadly evident in all of their actions. Especially his. This galls me.



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Vonna

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:00 pm


He lies, he lies, he lies….all the time. And I doubt if that started when he started running for President, I think he was doing it long before that, so he was likely to have been lying during that interview (if you can call it an interviews). Besides, I seem to remember seeing a video some time ago in which he referred to “my Muslim faith”. Whatever happened to that? He might be a “practicing” Christian, but he was never baptized as a Christian, and he was born a Muslim, and it certainly would appear, from his actions, that he has a Muslim agenda.



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Jane Hoover

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:01 pm


What kind of Christian does not put Jesus Christ as the most important or influential person in his life?…a man who thinks he does not need to be saved!



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Sonja

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:02 pm


OBUMMER IS NOTHING BUT A CON-ARTIST, I SUSPECT HE HAS SERIOUS DEEP PHYSOCOLOGICAL PROBLEMS, MOST LIKELY “ATTACHMENT DISORDERS” HE IS EVIL TO THE CORE. HE WILL SAY & DO ANYTHING TO GET WHAT HE WANTS, JUST LIKE BEING PRESIDENT, THEN HE WILL THROW YOU TO THE DOGS.



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Sling Blade

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:06 pm


I find it illuminating that as a professed born-again Christian, Dear Leader did not mention Jesus as one he would most wish to emulate.He also states sin is when he is “out of alignment with HIS values”,a doctrine straight out of Hell. While I cannot judge him, we are told to test the spirits.”By their fruits ye shall know them”. Obama is an almost pathological liar, denied medical help to babies who miraculously survived abortion while a State Senator, and hired people to investigate and throw out signatures on the candidacy petitions of his opponents. If he is a Christian, he is one I would go out of my way to avoid.
LIBERTY OR DEATH



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Brian

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:08 pm


He does not believe in Christianity’s Heaven.
He does not believe in Christianity’s Hell.
He does not subscribe Christianity’s concept of sin.
These are fundamental to Christian doctrine. To deny them, one’s Christian faith is meaningless.
If one chooses not to believe in these things, then fine, but then one is not a Christian.
Obama may not be a Muslim, but he is not a Christian either.



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Susan

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:16 pm


When I was a little girl I had a baby doll and I was her “Mommy”, believing I knew all about mothering. It was when I grew up and had a real baby of my own that I understood the reality of raising a child. This, of course, is my explanation of President Obama’s grasp of the reality of true Christianity. He just doesn’t get it–period.



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Vonna

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:16 pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
I knew I had seen this so an internet search just found it. See how it just rolls off his lips and then the interviewer “corrects” him, so he “corrects” himself.



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Don Bryant

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:22 pm


When Falsani ask Obama if he believed in Jesus, he said “yes.” He said he believed that Jesus was (1) a historical figure, (2) a bridge between God and man, (3) a means of us reaching something higher, and (4) a wonderful teacher. I find it interesting that, as a professed Christian, Obama does not include as any part of his believe about Jesus that He is the “Son of God.”



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Tuna Tugger

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:27 pm


Just two easy questions, do Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is a historical person but not God? Isn’t that what Barrack said in his interview?



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Preston

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:29 pm


Did you notice Obama’s answer when he was asked “what is sin”? Obama said; “Sin is when he is out of step with his (own) values”…
Even “baby Christians” know that sin is being out of step with “GOD’s values!
Obama is a phony!



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Russ Piet

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:31 pm


The man has lied everyday since he was president.Why should I believe anything about his faith.He must be a muslim because of the way he bows to world leaders and his wife is not allowed into arab countries.I still cant believe 40% of the country still believe in him…how.
Russ



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Linda

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:37 pm


In general, I find myself (as I think many Americans do) extremely suspicious of any politician. To me anymore it has become a matter of who lies best or perhaps least. In this interview, Mr Obama, in true politician form says what he thinks the interviewer wants to hear. Obviously, since he is such a thinking man, he had his people do his research on her and his answers were well thought out… to reveal nothing. Certainly if you are a true Christian, if you have read and understand the Bible, you cannot hold the views that our illustrious leader has. Christians are supposed to be a “peculiar people”. We are to be in this world but not of it. Christianity teaches us that we are to share the gospel, we are to evangelize if by nothing else than living out our faith through our lives. And as difficult as it is to our finite human minds to understand, that yes, those who do not bend their knees to Jesus Christ are going to hell. Simple. In contrast, the Koran teaches that those who do not follow the Muslim religion are infidels who must be destroyed, demolished, wiped from the face of the earth, here and now. It is from the Koran that the idea of Jihad originates. Mr. Obama demonstrates his ability to appear to be revealing an intimate side of himself while he is really not saying anything. His disdain and disrespect for this country and his constituents has shone through in every foreign visit, in every speech and in every act. The very fact that he has not seen fit to allow the public to see true documentation concerning his birth, his school records etc. shows the importance he places on honesty and truth. It’s not there. He may hold the office of the Presidency which I shall always respect, but as a man, in my eyes at least, I am not impressed.



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Your Name Mary

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:46 pm


“Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.” Obama, 2004.
Obama did not say that Jesus is God. As a Catholic, I know that Jesus is God, and when asked by someone, a Jesus question, that is what a Christian would say.
One day, sitting on my balcony, sipping homemade wine in Saudi Arabia, with my Saudi friend I asked him what he thought of Jesus.
As an expat I was interested to learn as much as I could when I was there.
He said,” Jesus to us is like a Prophet, but is not God”.



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Ben

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:51 pm


One factor that speaks volumes about his faith is his percent of giving,which up until he was elected averages about 5% per year, and very little of it to the church. Your treasure is where your heart is.



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Jeanne

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:54 pm


No “Christian” would bow down to Allah, who is NOT God! I know I wouldn’t. That is worshipping false gods. “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any other gods before me.” Recognize that from the Ten Commandments, Obama?



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Helen

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:56 pm


After reading this interview, I am now TOTALLY convinced that he has the same beliefs as his mother….he’s agnostic.
He’s NOT a christian nor is he a muslim.
Examples:
1.) Falsani: “Who is Jesus to you?”
Obama:”He’s an historical figure. A teacher.”
2.) Falsani: “Do you believe in heaven?”
Obama: “I believe that if I live my life right, then I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to know what happens when I die.”
3.)Falsani: “Do you believe in sin?”
Obama: Yes
Falsani “What do you consider sin?”
Obama: “Being out of alignment with my values.”
4.) Falsani: “Who do you consider to be your spritual/life role model?
Obama: Ghandi
*when he cites Father Pflager and Jermiah Wright as his friends, that scares the heebie jeebies out of me. Social Justice should never be confused with christianity.
No christian would answer that way to those questions. Sinning isn’t being out of alignment with your values! It’s going against the rules that God has made! Jesus tells us how to get into heaven, not whether we’ve lived our lives good or not! The blood of Jesus is what gets us to heaven and washes our sins. Jesus was a rabbi during his 3 years of ministry, but he is the son of God, God in the flesh as was fortold in the Old Testament.
Obama’s answers reflect someone who is ignorant of christianity.
Pretty sad really.
Nope, nada, no.



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Patricia

posted August 20, 2010 at 7:56 pm


Very interesting discussion between Obama and the interviewer. However, now I understand why Obama is able to fool so many people. He is ver “gifted” with his language.
But what stood out to me the most was the fact that he defined his Christianity in terms of HIMSELF. Everything he said he does he checks with how it make HIM feel, not really whether or not his values and actions line up with the Bible. He compares what he says and does with HIMSELF.
The TEST if one is a true Christian or not is if they can say that “Jesus is the Son of God” and Obama could not, would not, say that. He said everything BUT THAT. He just feels that Jesus is a historial figure, a great teacher, someone who is a “bridge to something higher” not even calling that something “GOD” and so he fails the test.
This discussion about his “Christianity” was more a dialogue of HIM talking about HIM. Which is the sin of the Devil. And YES, God does send people to Hell, and he also takes people to Heaven. Obama does not even believe in a real Heaven or a real Hell.
Satan’s followers, are “smooth talkers” coming off as very intelligent, but full of pathological lying, knowing just what to say to become whatever they need to become in front of the person or crowd they are talking to. But their “smooth words” and their actual “actions” do not match up.
And we have seen that Obama’s words and actions definitely do not match up. He is definitely the Devil’s child.
The greatest enemy of that which is excellent is not that which is blatantly bad but that which “appears” to be good.”
This describes Obamas so called profession of Christianity as a lie.
No true Christian believes in abortion, or gays, and the bible is FULL of scriptures calling both of those issues as “an abomination to God” so I don’t know what Bible Obama read but he obviously picks and chooses the scriptures he likes and ignores the rest. He could not even define SIN correctly. He never once mentioned what the Cross is really all about or that Jesus is our SAVIOR, etc.
Now since he is being accused of being a Muslim, which he REALLY IS, he is going to be talking alot about Christianity in the next few weeks before the November elections. He is probably going to hire someone to write a speech for you making sure it has all the “christian doctrines and beliefs in it” mentioning Jesus over and over but as I said, that is what these psychopaths do.
They figure out who and what they need to be, and then they metamorphize into that for the crowd they need to convince.
Bottom line. He is NOT a Christian.



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Lance Heywood

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:00 pm


I find it astonishing that in this day and age, we as a people will put into a political office either a male or female, without knowing anything about the persons moral character, weather he or she has the experience to do the job correctly, and what he or she stands for.
We cannot be that naive to the fact that when we put somebody in office we base it on their good looks or the political jargon that comes from their lips. When we are looking for employment a companie wants experienced people in the field that we are applying to, so how come we do not use this same principle in voting for our elected officials. These political officials that we vote for are supposed to have this countries best interest at heart. Not carry out their own agenda like we do not exist. That is why we call it an election.



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tmcs

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:03 pm


He’s very good about not comfirming or denying but straddling the thin line he’s drawing while trying to please everyone and offend no one… except of course, we Americans who are confused by Fox News and talk radio… which he talks of as one would describe something leading the innocent or ignorant into sin…



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Carol

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:05 pm


Don Bryant, Tuna Tugger, and Preston summed it up very well. Any true Christian knows that Obama’s answers are NOT that of a Christian! Period.
What I would add is that I don’t think he is a Muslim either. He is a Progressive Marxist. For those who hold that worldview as firmly as he does, it is both a religious AND political worldview. Its believers are as passionate ~ unfortunately ~ about it as I am about my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And now he is president. Scary ….
Sadly, he may not realize the Truth until his earthly life is over, when it will be too late for him and for our country.



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Kit

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:09 pm


What a buffoon!!! I wouldn’t believe him on a stack of Bibles. I KNOW who Jesus is and there’s no doubt.
This jerk isn’t even an American citizen. He lies to suit the purpose and believe me he is a communist marxist. I wasn’t born yesterday.
The reporter sure was ‘bamboozled. Shame on her



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TERRI

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm


Man, I was hoping to get something real from him, I just kept hearing words!I didn’t vote for him and keep hoping my gut is wrong, willing ot give him the chance to prove me wrong. Hasn’t happened yet, he seems to keep solidifying my first impression!



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Stacy R

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:21 pm


He doesn’t even know the definition of a Christian. Hmmm. And where are the fruits?



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Bill Hartley

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:24 pm


What saddens me is that Obama is modeling for the nation a false view of Christianity that appears thoughtful and intelligent. The “many roads” theology is very popular, but is distinctively non-Christian. Even the president can’t ask Jesus to fit his religious terms.



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GQ

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:29 pm


Obama said:
I think that religion at it’s best comes with a big dose of doubt. I’m suspicious of too much certainty in the pursuit of understanding just because I think people are limited in their understanding.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
I’m very suspicious of religious certainty expressing itself in politics. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell. I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. Obama said.
Matthew 25:31-44 disputes Obama’s belief that everyone will be saved.
He talks about doughting his religion with good reason, he does not know what or who he is talking about. Romans 10:9-11 says, if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. This is not collective, it’s individual, “YOU” will be saved. It is not doughtful or uncertain in any way, do this knowingly and “You Will Be Saved.”
Mr. Obama is operating off his own moral compass. This will end in damnation for him should he continue down this road. I pray he finds the certainty of knowing the Lord Jesus, if he knew Jesus he would have no dought about who Jesus is and he could truly become an excellant leader with God’s son guiding him.
To Sharon,
the elder in the Presbyterian Church, I hope you cease mission work and church leadership until you understand what Christianity is… it is not community service or tolerance of any belief that comes along. It is doing the will of Him who sent me.
The church’s tolerance allows for killing babies and says homosexuality is not sinful and salvation is collective… not personal. The Scriptures are clear, you should not murder, a man lying with a man is an abomination to God and Jesus dwells in ones heart, not the collective. If you voted for Obama because you like his character and he’s a Christian, then you need to get on your knees, ask God to forgive your misunderstanding about who He is and about who Barack Obama is. I hope you get right with Him, not angry with me… your soul, and those you are misguiding, is at stake.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xBvEI5et



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gem

posted August 20, 2010 at 8:31 pm


Self deceived. Eyes that don’t see and ears that don’t hear.



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Your NameKaren

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:05 pm


The only way to the Father i through Jesus Christ. Obama is lost when it come to his religious beliefs – which amount totally to he doesn’t really know what he believes or WHO he believes in. Just because he says there are many ways to spirituality, there is only ONE!



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Jean Christine

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm


Obama speaks like a lawyer, not a Christian: VIZ: ‘I’m rooted in the Christian tradition’. This is not a faith declaration but a description of his youthful surroundings. ‘I believe that there are many paths to the same place’ Exactly the opposite of what Jesus Christ said to his disciples, ‘I am the Way and the Truth and the Life’ and NO one comes to the Father, BUT by ME’, ‘That is a belief that there is a higher power’, Here he adroitly avoiding the name of Jehovah. ‘Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith,’ IN the CHRISTIAN FAITH, that is, exactly what is sounds like, Jesus is a bridge between God and man IN the Christian Faith.’ Obama calls Jesus Christ an Historic Figure, not THE Son of God that the scriptures call him. Muslim’s do consider Christ to be a prophet, which description fits exactly the words of this deceiver.
Obviously someone somewhere told him that in order to advance his political career, he would have to present himself as a Christian. What the cunning careerist does not apparently know, is how to precisely pepper his speech to convince actual Christians.



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Sarah Sawyer

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm


God knows the hearts of each of His Chosen who believe in Jesus
Christ as their Savior, their Lord, and their God. They mention
His Name unashamedly. They do not try to please everybody.
Obama’s religion or “faith” as he refers to is at best a
combined philosophy of all civil rights leaders. No MLK
lives in him; no MG lives in him; no Buddha no Mohammed lives
in him. Christ, if he is a Chrisitan, lives in him and that
is because he has chosen Christ and no other leader of
any other religion to serve. He as a Christian recognizes
Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth, the Life, that no one
can bypass and get to the Father and thus to Heaven where
our Father dwells. Like Obama, many walk
the aisles of many Christian churches, yet do not know the
Christ they claim to serve. As Jesus made clear: no man
can serve two masters; your spiritual selfhood (soul) will belong to one; otherwise, you are a house divided, that is you are worshipping with a “divided mind.” Seems Obama serves not only one but two, three, or maybe even four masters since Muhammed was omitted for some
reason. That says to me that Obama has yet to become a True
Christian with Christ on the throne of his heart. He just as
easily serves King, Gandhi, Mohammed or any other religious leader.
If he had to take a stand and give his life for one of the other
of these great world leaders, he would be hard pressed to choose
which one, so it seems. The greatest leaders of the USA knew
in whom they believed and whom they worshipped. They did not
hesitate to say that The Bible was the infallible Word of our
Lord and that the Holy Scriptures were written
by men who were Divinely Inspired by the Holy Spirit. Until Obama
can say that Jesus Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life
and that no one comes to the Father except through Him, Obama
is not and cannot be, in his divided state, a true Christian.



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Sarah Sawyer

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:16 pm


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Jan

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:17 pm


I’m sorry to say, this interview is just more of the same….Obama never recognized the link between God and Jesus. If he is a Christian, he would say Jesus is the Son of God…did he say that?? Of course not. I didn’t vote for him and nothing he has done or said could ever get me to vote for him in 2012.



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ANITA R

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:23 pm


There is NO doubt that Obama is NOT a Christian.
It is spooky how slick he is in saying what he believes
someone wants to hear – and he usually speaks as though he
has no comprehension of the Bible and absolutely does not have
any personal relationship with the KING OF KINGS — JESUS who
is part of the TRINITY.
I do not believe he is the Antichrist, but he is helping to
pave the way for his appearance.
PRAY AMERICA — NOW AS NEVER BEFORE!!!



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Greg Hanks

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:28 pm


I read a few good answers, but it was mostly political speech. In the last days it is said that every knee will bend and head will bow. (that is close, I think.) It will be hard for Obama when the day comes when he MUST do so. Christians who understand God kneel when they pray. We are to have prayer in our hearts constantly, but kneeling each day shows reverence and humility, not just walking around thinking about God once in a while. It scares me when I do not see that in the leader of our great nation. He should follow George Washington’s example.
He goes to far on church and state, and like most politicians have no clue what it means.



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Capt Glenn

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:31 pm


Correctly said….you can tell a tree by it’s fruit. If someone professes to be Christian we as Christians have the obligation to judge that person by his actions and/or in actions. In obama’s case he is definitely not Christian. He is hiding (lying via his koran) to deceive us “infidels” ! I only wish people would wake up and see how they are being brain washed by this (if not the…one of the Anti-Christ)! One is totally blinded believing that Muzlims are a “peaceful” people. They are out to get you ! ! ! They want to kill you because you are an infidel ! I will guarantee you this….if you personally will seek God with all your heart and ask “HIM” God the Father…. He God the Father will show you what is right and what is wrong. If you don’t believe God will talk with you….then “YOU Don’t Know Jesus” ! ! !



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Mike Armstrong

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:44 pm


Having a Psychology background, I picked up on something that is VERY revealing to me. I have always thought that our President is a Meglomaniac with the usual Narcissism. I quotefrom the article-
“FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
FALSANI:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.”
Being out of allignment with your own values sets yourself up as a god. I’m sure Timothy Mcvae and Osama Bin Laden have there own values! Not acceptable by my standards. Mike A
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xCUWvthV



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Donna Lee

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:59 pm


Sounds like The Gospel According to Oprah. You cannot believe that there is more than one ‘road’ to heaven, and be a Christian. Either you believe that Jesus is God’s son, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died on the cross and bore your sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, and will return again to reign over the new earth and the new heaven, or you don’t. That’s the definition of a Christian. It is not inherited, passed on by your parent’s attendance in a church, not something you get by attending a church or reading a Bible, studying in school, doing good deeds, or any other act that is an act of man. It is by God’s grace that you are a Christian. Accepting that grace upon the premise that you cannot redeem yourself, and that no one else can, except Jesus, God’s son. If you think there is more than one road to heaven, you are calling Jesus a fool for dying on the cross. The two beliefs do not mesh.
Man is sinful by nature. God gave us the way to redemption, and that is why all Christians are called upon to evangelize the world. It is our responsibility to see that those who do not know about salvation, hear that message. What Obama, Oprah, Jeremiah Wright, or anyone else believes about God is obsolete and in direct conflict with Biblical teachings. They are not God. Man’s ways are not God’s ways. What Mr. Obama lacks in theological knowledge could fill volumes. In fact, it has. As an addendum to this interview, Mr. Obama has since stated that his salvation depends on our (apparently white America) giving up our earnings and positions, in order that blacks be compensated for having been born in a country where their ancestors were enslaved.
Mr. Obama is not only living in a world created by those who choose to remain in the past, but condemning those who are innocent of his charges to a life of socialism and poverty based on his arrogance and beliefs that his particular brand of fundamentalist cultism is ‘the way’. Attending a church does not make you a Christian. Being President of the United States does not make you God.



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R.H.

posted August 20, 2010 at 9:59 pm


He is so comfused… He doesn’t even know who Jesus is. He has no faith, no belonging, nothing to hold on to.
I think he is seeing himself as a god, the center of it all.
FALSANI:
What are you doing when you feel the most centered, the most aligned spiritually?
OBAMA:
“I think I already described it. It’s when I’m being true to myself. And that can happen in me making a speech or it can happen in me playing with my kids, or it can happen in a small interaction with a security guard in a building when I’m recognizing them and exchanging a good word.”
This is disturbing…
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xCY8EjgN



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Sandy A

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:00 pm


How can you say that Christians who understand God kneel when they pray? How about the Christian that has no legs and is in the wheel chair? Or the person with arthirtis so bad that they can’t no matter how much they want to can not kneel or the bedridden? Are you saying that these people because they don’t kneel don’t know God? WOW Other than the scripture that says on that day every knee will bow and every tonouge confess that Christ is Lord where does it mandate us to kneel? I mean that is like saying to me.. “you will burn in hell because u did not close your eyes during the prayer”… Every day I live I pray to God.. But because of my age and my disabilities I do not kneel because I am unable to… I show reverance, I show humility and when I was able I kneeled. I use to place my shoes under the bed far out of my reach so that I had to get on my knees to get them and while I was on my knees I asked God to help me.. I sure don’t do that today but that does not mean I don’t show the Lord my respect and my humility and reverance..



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Mary C

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:02 pm


Socialists say whatever they have to say and do whatever they have to do to get their agenda passed. The above interview is a good example of obama’s double-talk. If he’s nothing else, he is a pathological liar and narcissist, that’s for sure.



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Thomas Wood

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:21 pm


Mike Armstrong: Way to go. I caught the same thing. Every day that passes you can see that Obama is worried about HIS values. He certainly holds to none of the values of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us that “pride goes before a fall”, his is coming and it will be a hard fall for sure. He is not a Christian, nor a Muslem, nor any other faith. He is one of the most mixed up individuals ever to hold such a high office. He is his own god, and that with a little g.



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Sandy A

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:24 pm


I would love to know how many of the people who back in 08 who had said what a wonderful man he is how they feel today about him? It would be intresting to see how many of these people still think he will solve all the problems and make them better people… So if any of you who have already stated your love for him then would answer how u feel today that would be so great… I would be willing to bet that many have changed their thoughts on him..



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Faye

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm


OMG! the man doesn’t know who he is! or…could it be that he’s just dancing around the questions of his interviewer? doesn’t want to admit that he IS A MUSLIM? really hasn’t got a clue as to what it is to be a Christian…CHRISTian! knowing Jesus Christ as personal savior and the only way to the Father .in a very real place ..known as heaven…that there is life after death…eternity…a place for those who know Him and those who don’t …or refuse Him. He can sure say alot of NOTHING! just like a politician…pandering to the public…saying nothing of value or truth! a fake, a phony, a danger to America!



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Gail

posted August 20, 2010 at 10:50 pm


obama is NOT Christian. He is not capable nor can he say that “Jesus Is Lord”.
We are not all Gods people, we are of 2 camps and alla is a false, evil god and enemy. Not one mosque should of ever been allowed on USA soil, this religion is of hate and evil.
But Christian know that our Lord God Almighty will not be mocked and have the last and final WORD.



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Vonna

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm


Sandy A: You are so right about the kneeling part, anyone with bad knees can’t do it. But I think it is the intent, not the actual act of getting on one’s knees. As for your other post….everyone I know who voted for Obama won’t talk about it anymore. One person just passed it off as “I refuse to hate any President”. I think most people are just too embarassed to admit they were wrong…you know, we all hate to admit we were wrong. It’s generally the people under forty, who don’t know history (probably were taught by leftist professors) who still are sticking their heads in the sand. They saw a black President as being “hip”, “with it”, and “glamorous”, and just cannot face the reality of what we got instead.



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Norma

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:03 pm


I think the most difficult thing for a socialist to say is that they need God and Jesus in their lives. When asked about a personal relationship with God, they almost always talk about “good works,” instead of a personal walk with God. It is pretty much a tale/tale sign of someone who wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
It is like a selective Christianity. You take a little from here, and a little from there; two things from column A and three things from column B, and you can call yourself whatever you want.
Even though I am not a supporter of Obama, I do pray for my President every day. I pray that he will truly allow God to direct his path, and I also ask the same thing of myself.
We do live in a nation, founded on Christian values, and we need a leader who seeks after the face of God.
If Barack Obama is not that man, I also pray that God puts before us, a man who does.



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wilma faulkner

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:04 pm


now that i have read this interview & my eyes have been opened . he is not a Christain but, a very confused man who has been blinded by satan . it can happen to any of us. i did not vote for this man . and i believe he is a poor president . i have read the comments here and i know you are brothers and sisters in our Lord Christ Jesus . i know you must agree that what we need to be doing is praying for Mr. obama . we need to pray that our Lord will bring conviction onto him and open the eyes to his heart and let him see the truth before it is too late. it actually breaks my heart to see a person this confused about our Lord . only our prayers can help him . i know that i will pray for him .



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JB

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:04 pm


If sin is only equal to being out of step with one’s values, I would be curious to know if Obama believes Osama bin Laden, Hitler, Stalin, or Tim McVeigh ever “sinned.” Anyone with access to the president have the guts to pose this question to him?
After all, if Osama bin Laden really believes that he is doing right by killing non-Muslims and Americans in particular, and those actions are consistent with his values, then he has not ever sinned. Right?



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Frida

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:10 pm


Obama is a politician to the quick! And, he actually does think that we are all stupid enough to believe everything he says simply because he says it! He is doing a great job of ruining our country and we are letting him get away with it – that’s the sad part!
We, the taxpayers, paid for his education and have been paying his salary since he became an adult, from day one, while he has been teaching others how to get their own piece of ‘the pie’. Why would anyone be surprised that he is still doing the same thing, only on a larger scale? It was probably him (the big organizer) who arranged for union members from California to be bused to Arizona to join the protest against the new immigration laws. Now, he wants us to help pay the pensions of those union members! It never ends with him!!



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HatesPinkos

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:50 pm


He’s not Christian, he’s an asshole.



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wwinterraynes

posted August 20, 2010 at 11:53 pm


Not only is he confused I truly believe he is telling a huge string of lies. I’ve heard him say not only is he a Muslim but that he was born in Africa with is own mouth I don’t know what greater proof their is than his own words and he can’t have it both ways. Soooo, I don’t think he will know God or Jesus when they walk up and slap him in the face and say Hey fellow. Now that it’s to late for you I’ll bet you wish you’d paid more attention in your lifetime.



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WilliamPenn

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:02 am


Funny, he didn’t mention that his father, his mother, and his maternal grandparents were communists. Guess that wouldn’t have jibed with his claim to be Christian.



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Peggy

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:16 am


I sincerely thank the reporter who did this interview and then shared it with us. Apparently Obama doesn’t realize Faith isn’t just intellectual with a good dose of “community organizing” thrown in for good measure, but a firm BELIEF that Jesus did indeed live, was crucified for us individually,(it was not a ‘community’thing) and rose
to give us life eternal. Strange he didn’t mention he was strengthend
with God’s gift of GRACE. Anyway, we were told about the Black Theology he listened to for 20 years, But we just wanted HOPE and CHANGE!. We are getting the change, I just pray and hope God’s blessings will rain down upon us inspite of all the deception we have been dealt with. Praise God’s Name!



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P.Gonzales

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:28 am


Sin is a religious concept. To know what sin is, it is necessary to question your faith’s authority. The Bible says, “Sin is the transgression of the Law.” I don’t know what the Koran says sin is. Or what the Communist Manifesto says it is. Or what the Apache medicine man thinks it is. I suspect Obama’s concept of sin is that it flexible or whatever is expedient at the time. A politician knows not sin for his god grants him pardon for everything he does.



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Joe Bowyer

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:40 am


How can anyone claim to be a Christian, while saying their god would not act like the God of the Bible? Either you believe what Jesus taught or you do not. What good is it to say Jesus was a great teacher but I don’t believe what He taught?
It does make sense however that he thinks he is a Christian. After all, according to his own words, he was taught Christianity as a child by his very deeply Christian mother who only went to church on Easter.



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Nora Nell Thompson

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:07 am


I found this interview very interesting, and revealing. Obama is a fence rider. He says what is politically expedient. He claims to be a Christian in this interview, but remember, that interview was done several years ago. He well may have changed his beliefs since then or swung more over to the Muslim side. Remember, he rides the fence. Perhaps he is still seeking the Truth!!
Like Obama, I was uncomfortable with the idea of people who live in Asia and countries where Christianity is unknown. Were they to be damned to eternal hellfire and brimstone for simply not knowing?? It troubled me greatly. I went to a neighborhood Southern Baptist Church all my life. I had many questions that my Ministers could not answer. But I kept going.
At age 22 some Mormon Missionaries, young men in black suits, came knocking at my door. They had logical answers for all my questions about what certain Scriptures in the Bible meant.
We all have a loving and caring Heavenly Father, who sent his Son, Jesus Christ to pay the price for our sins. He wants all of us back with Him. He has provided a way that can be done, EVEN for those who have died without a knowledge of our Savior and his sacrifice for each of us.
It is my prayer that Obama will be taught by some of his LDS Secret Service Agents the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I’m sure there are some. I truly understand Obama’s reluctance about religions that put themselves above others. GOD is a God of LOVE. HE doesn’t play “gotcha” with us. Just like a loving parent, HE wants us to have a happy, productive and joyfilled life. Nevertheless, HE will not force us. We have to open the door and invite HIM into our lives. HE won’t break it down or force us.



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Rich

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:22 am


Sadly most of these questions were not answered, but merely flown over at 35,000 feet. In the questions he did answer with some clarity proved with shear veracity that this man is not a Christian.
Aside from all the radical hot button issues he promotes (which are against God’s laws, regardless of how you twist scripture) his knowledge of God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, Heaven and Sin are that of a confused self serving 10 year old, entrenched in a Hollywood worldview based on atheistic evolutionary thought. News flash Obama, it’s not about you and your values and how good you do and how good you feel and how nice people view you or how much “for the greater good” you’re doing. Luke 18:19 states…”And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.”
This is sad that Bible believing Christians got sucked into the BO media blitz that threw this radical headlong into the white house. People need to wake up and elect officials that actually know what they are talking about and what they stand for.



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Mark

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:27 am


I’m not an Obama fan. However, I think it is a good thing that he at least believes in God and honors Jesus. What he has said probably doesn’t make his far left base very happy. And what if he is being honest? We need to be cautious in judging the faith of others. Mr. Beck is a Mormon. Many Christians would cringe if they knew some of the doctrines of that church. However, we accept Mr. Beck because he is sincere when he says that our problems are beyond us and will only be solved when America gets down on its/our knees. I believe him because he seems honest and, despite some Mormon beliefs that I cannot accept, Mr. Beck honors God as well as Jesus. We all differ in some of our beliefs. I think that we should believe the best of others, including our President, and let God work things out in their lives, including deciding whether they are truly Christian. Also, we must pray for President Obama even if….



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Cheri

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:29 am


Yes, we know your lies Obama! Technically his Dad was a Muslim, so according to Islam he is a Muslim. His Mom married a Muslim, who adopted him and they moved to a Muslim country. His school there was a Muslim school where he learned the Koran. Check out “Dreams of My Father.” It wasn’t until his Mom brought him back to Hawaii, at about 11 years old, to live with his Grandparents that they got him into a prestigious private school.
He describes Jesus as a historical figure and a teacher. He is careful not to say the word Prophet like most Muslims refer to Jesus. Notice he doesn’t acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God. He doesn’t understand the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn’t acknowledge or understand that God gave his Son, to die for our sins. Jesus gave his life to wash away the sins of the world. Muslims don’t acknowledge or understand this either.
Did you know that Obama has actually said the Shadah (the muslim profession of faith in Allah and Mohammad) on a taped interview?
There was no hesitation and he said it in perfect Arabic. So when did he learn that if he didn’t learn it when he was living in Indonesia?
So technically he is a Muslim. I sincerely beleive he is acting like a Christian because he knew he couldn’t become president if he was Muslim. The Muslims beleive he is Muslim. If they didn’t he would have been labeled an apostate by the radicals. Notice He also chose a Black Theology church which isn’t Christian either. Look up Black Theology and see how unChristian it actually is.
Obama, he’s no Messiah, he a liar, a bold-face liar!



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Cheri

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:55 am


Mark says:
I’m not an Obama fan. However, I think it is a good thing that he at least believes in God and honors Jesus.
Cheri:
His God, (Black Theology) or (Muslim God) is completely opposite of the Biblical God. I don’t think it is honoring Jesus if you don’t beleive he is the Son of God and died to abolish the original sins. He is down-grading Jesus to a historical figure and teacher. Thus insulting Jesus and God.
Mark Says:
We need to be cautious in judging the faith of others. Mr. Beck is a Mormon. Many Christians would cringe if they knew some of the doctrines of that church. However, we accept Mr. Beck because he is sincere when he says that our problems are beyond us and will only be solved when America gets down on its/our knees. I believe him because he seems honest and, despite some Mormon beliefs that I cannot accept, Mr. Beck honors God as well as Jesus.
Cheri says:
Mr. Beck is a man who is living by his principals. Principals based on a Christian faith. He is an entertainer albeit a provocative and informative one. Mr. Beck as far as I can tell hasn’t lied to me or the American people. Mr. Obama, the leader of the free world is not a man of honor, he is an idealogue who bases his actions on political efficiancy. He doesn’t live by the principals of the Christian faith. He doesn’t even live by the principals of the Biblical God. He has lied to me and the American people so many times that I can’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth! He also says one thing but does another. Anything for his idealistic agenda. You Mark are a naive apologist! Please open your eyes. Have a little scrutiny here.



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Reva Wheeler

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:07 am


“What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded.”
The Bible says all your good works are like filthy rags to Him. It also says anyone who would come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. It sounds like Obama believes in his own work, not the free gift of eternal life based on the complete and finished work of Jesus who died for all of our sins. My Bible says faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, yet Obama describes it as “without allowing that faith to metasticize into something that is hurtful.” I can’t imagine those two descriptions to be about the same word….very strange.
He says “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.” he is denying the work of Jesus, that it was complete, and there is nothing you can do to earn it. The reason for going to church is to edify one another, learn and worship, but is not necessary to be saved. Trusting in Jesus and confessing it IS the only requirement. And our Lord said ” I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, (Or Life? I forget–) no man comes before the Father except through Me. Yet Obama proclaims “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.” Obviously he isn’t on the same path as a fellow Christian is on!
I could go on with examples of proof for virtually every answer he gave, as to why he is not a TRADITIONAL (read genuine) Christian and why it sounds like he is a Muslim in his heart of hearts, but this would be much, much longer than I have time for at the moment.



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posted August 21, 2010 at 2:10 am


I was unaware that there was a contest, who can be more “Christian” than who????
If anything, (most of) you are all being judgmental, hypocritical “Christians”. Take a break from criticizing/judging others and look into YOURSELF AND YOUR SINS.
Amazing how someone with an open heart and a open mind AND LOVES GOD is considered “NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOUR FAITH”. Looking for ANYTHING to say “GOTCHYA!”. You people are sick.



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Mar O'Brien Drumm

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:34 am


“Jesus was an hisorical figure – a good teacher?” Jesus said He was the son of God and that means either He was telling truth and He really is or He was a lier and truly insane, in which case, why would you let Him teach you anything?
A Christian is someone who believes that God sent His only Son to earth to die on a cross for us that we might be saved. It is pretty obvious that Obama does not believe that Jesus is his divine savior. Nor does he seem to believe in heaven and hell which are realities to a Christian.
All I can say is that Obama is in for a big surprise when he dies and I am not sure it will be a pleasant one!



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posted August 21, 2010 at 3:30 am


Was he not a historical and good teacher???? Am I missing something?????!?!?
Jesus is in fact a bridge between man and God. How was he not????.. Just because he didn’t SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe that he isn’t the son of God.
You people are FOOLISH and parse words with a butcher knife. Get a grip on reality AND Christian faith!
QUIT THE CHRIST CONTEST!!!
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:2-5)
In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).



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Dave

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:07 am


This guy is as much a Christian as the demons who are going to burn in hell…..the key difference is not only do the demons believe, but they actually know that Christ is Lord. I’ve NEVER liked Barack Obama, but dear Lord this guy might as well be a Muslim, because he surely is NOT a born-again Christian. Being a Christian is about having a RELATIONSHIP with Christ. How can he have a relationship with Christ if he doesn’t regularly talk (PRAY) and/or read the words of God (see THE BIBLE).
At least NOW we know, being a Christian was politically expedient for Obama, not a matter of being a sinner and seeking salvation from the Savior.



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Dee

posted August 21, 2010 at 5:14 am


B Hussien Obammy calls for a mosque at ground zero he announces at a muslim dinner @white house ramadamdam,then he sits in a pew of a commie racist church for 20 yr. married by the preacher and baptising his children. He then tells the gullible American public which refuses to look into his background or his radical connections,that this supposed brilliant harvard scholar was unaware of his church’s radical views!! Ok then who’s stupid=the public. They were too busy try’in to make history and elect a black man,so we could prove we were a fair and non-racist country. Then he skips the yearly white house day of prayer,Oh yeah he’s a Christian,wake up fools!!



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Chad

posted August 21, 2010 at 5:42 am


i consider myself a devout christian. theres only two things here i think obama could have answered better. the first, his definition of sin. i dont believe sin is simply going against your own values, but rather disobedience of god’s will. second, he referred to ghandi, dr king, lincoln as spiritual role models. i think jesus should probably be at the top of the list always. however, he may have interpreted the question to mean “other than jesus” which i think alot of people do.
i dont see anything in here that says hes not a christian or that hes muslim. i didnt vote for obama, i dont support obama, but i dont think ive ever thought he was a practicing muslim.
i think at the end of the day, god knows this mans heart, he is accountable to god, not me.
i think alot of the “obama is not a christian” stuff has a political agenda behind it. please be very careful. this isnt the same as calling out a false prophet. a mans faith is between him and god.
i fear for alot of the people in these comments.



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Christy

posted August 21, 2010 at 6:45 am


I think the key to determining if Obama is a True Christian or not lies in whether he believes that Jesus is the only way to God, as Jesus clearly said. (I am THE way, The truth, and The Life. No one comes to the Father except by me. John 14:6.)Obama stated that there are many roads to God. This is contrary to the Christian belief. Many of the comments in this interview show that he does not believe that Christ is the only way to God. He is more concerned with unity. To be united by diversity is insane. There is absolute truth. There is but one way. Jesus only. Obama clearly is not a Christian. A Christian knows that there is a heaven and hell. If he has the Spirit of Christ in him, he is not listening to himself, his own inner being, he is listening and responding to the truth of Christ.



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Jill

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:33 am


I am one who is ready to say that Obama may be a Muslim, but this interview certainly does not prove that. I agree with many of the comments already made by Christians–it is not for us to judge, certainly not in any absolute sense. I have heard in Obama’s own words that salvation is collective, not individual, which is definitely not a tenet of the Christian faith. I think (again not demonstrated in this interview) that Obama has been significantly influenced by Black Nationalism and the confluence of an extremely liberal interpretation of Christianity that focuses on social justice, rather than equal justice. Obama, again in his own words, has said we are not a Christian nation (which does not square with our heritage or with current numbers of Americans who identify themselves as Christians) and he does not seem to understand the motivation of Jihadist Islam to conquer the Christian/Western world. I would recommend that all who are interested in this topic read Mark Steyn’s “America Alone,” for a brilliant analysis of falling birthrate and decreasingly powerful Christian values in the Western world leaving us easy fodder for Islamist “conquest.” We are extremely vulnerable to becoming a Muslim country in a few generations while still being “democratic,” simply because of numbers and shifting religious values. Creeping Sharia law, already beginning in Western Europe, is a serious threat to our way of life. I question whether Obama understands this.



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Rick

posted August 21, 2010 at 8:18 am


Being in a lost condition without Jesus Christ is tough because you don’t know your lost. Jesus said, “You shall know the the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” Therefore if the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed!” Unfortunately, President Obama’s deep faith is a porridge stew of all world religions from his muslim and grandmother’s universalist faith, but definetely not centered and fixed on Jesus the Messiah!



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Allison Hardy

posted August 21, 2010 at 8:43 am


There is little here to convince me Obama is a Christian, much less a Muslim. I think, as a previous poster says, he was exposed to and now reflects a relativistic mish-mash of “spiritual” beliefs, owing little or nothing to firm belief in the saving grace of God.
When asked directly about Jesus, (certainly the pre-eminent tenet in Christianity), he replies that Jesus is a “bridge” and a “teacher”. This is the sort of mealy-mouth reply a non-believer gives to a believer. “I respect your religion blah-blah (but by golly I don’t believe in all that superstitious cwap you call a faith!).
Sorry, but going to church occasionally or even frequently (what politician doesn’t??)and mumbling New Age-y mantras about we-are-all-connected-in-universal-oneness-Jesus-was-a-great-teacher-like-Gahndi merely make him clever about reflecting the values of his audience, which in Chicago was church-going activist blacks. Ultimately, Obama’s own words make clear that Christianity is his cloak, not his Rock.
I get a kick about his belief in the common-sense of Americans- except when they’re confused by Fox News or talk radio! That’s ok, he’s here to guide us back to the Path of Right Thought; or else send us to a Re-Education Camp!



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Dave

posted August 21, 2010 at 8:59 am


It is not words and the given answers to questions that count. The actions and policies that I observe coming from President Obama do not reflect an understanding or commitment to the Christian principles we are given in the Bible. On the other hand his focus on the Muslim community continues to be presented on a regular basis.



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Bing Price

posted August 21, 2010 at 9:23 am


Clearly, Obama doesn’t know what he stands for because he concludes all important answers with, “I think”. I finally “get” Obama’s brain…he is wishy washy and clearly doesn’t understand Gods plan and painful to say, he doesn’t know or believe in God and doesn’t know why Jesus Christ was made manifest among us! He doesn’t even know that sin is the transgression of Gods laws and that there is a heaven if you truly believe in God. Faith is something Obama does not understand, and thankfully our founding father knew!
Just reading his responses lets the reader see into his mixed up mind. For example, his comments on supporting the constitution then are shown to be a lie, based on his current statements concerning the constitution.
I could go through every sentence and show the reader his responses and what the interviewer could have asked after some of his incoherent answers.
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Marilyn

posted August 21, 2010 at 9:37 am


The interview was insightful and I can see mixed values and no commitment. Christians don’t fear reprisal for their faith. They KNOW the path is through Jesus and no other way. Obama is very smart and smooth. This was an interview not a true picture of who he is or what he believes. It is a partial picture and no one interview has the whole picture. We all go through phases of life and he has not found The Way yet. He is a politician trying to accomplish certain things he believes in. He definitely leans toward social responsibility of all, which is not wrong. The fallacy is not teaching people to fish rather than just handing it to them.



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CarolfromIL

posted August 21, 2010 at 9:40 am


Christy, I agree with your comments. You said it well. Faith alone in Jesus Christ! No other way…



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Gabby Gibby

posted August 21, 2010 at 9:51 am


I don’ know who or what he blieves in but Obama clearly does not know who ‘Jesus” is. When asked by Ms. Falsani. . .’Who’s Jesus to you? (He laughs nervously)
OBAMA:
Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.
Clearly he does not understand Jesus is the Son of God most and foremost.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xFRpRHt6



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Vonna

posted August 21, 2010 at 9:53 am


I just, out of curiosity, hit the “see all posts” button and was surprised to see they started right at election. It is most interesting to scan through and note that, at the beginning, most posts were very favorable to Obama and the interview. As time went on though, the tone of the posts changed, and it appears to me that, by today’s date, more of the posts believe he is not really a Christian. But we are told we are all too stupid to see the real Obama. You know, there’s nothing more disconcerting than finding out a person is not what he purported to be. Take Bernie Madoff for example. His clients all loved him and believed in him implicitly. The point is, under our Constitution, he can be a Muslim if he wants to be, or a Mormon, or a Hindu….just don’t keep trying to pretend to be something you are not.



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Free Spirit for truth and common sense

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:08 am


I disagree with many of the comments. I am a common sense conservative. I believe this was an exceptional interview and reflects a mature spirituality that most Americans probably hold but are afraid to acknowledge either to themselves, or publicly.
I think it can be said based on this interview that Obama is a liberal Christian with Deistic inclinations. He is certainly not a Christian Fundamentalist, which was the distinction he was trying to draw in the interview. His answer about the divinity of Jesus Christ was characteristically Deist, in that he appears to see Jesus as a messenger and a philosopher, perhaps the most enlightened man ever to live but not as God incarnate. This is the position held my many of the founders including Jefferson and Thomas Paine. A lot of the founders were liberal Christians while Paine was a radical Deist.
I believe Obama’s exposure to many faiths is a positive, with the exception of the obvious indulgence in the Marxist Collective Salvation of Black Liberation Philosophy, which is a fundamentalism itself, and leads man to advocate controlling actions that are dangerous for our community.
Note also Obama’s reference to our civic religion, which is the way our founders intended to infuse important values, namely Nature’s God and inalienable rights with the diversity of religious expressions of the day. In doing so they exercised amazing foresight.
Finally, I think Obama did a great job in the interview in outing religious certainty and narcissism (ego) as threats to humanity. Whether that certainty comes from fundamentalism on the left or right it is indeed the hubris that divides men and leads to totalitarianism.
We conservatives need to embrace men like Obama, who although we disagree with their political conclusions, we admire their flexible thinking and openness to reason as the route to wisdom. I would love to see our next Presidential candidate being such a man or woman.



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JC

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:09 am


One thing the bible is certainly clear about is how we are to approach a person who professes faith in Christ. We are to take him at his word and challenge him on his obvious departures from biblical tenets. We don’t have a right to judge his “profession of faith” as such, but we are called to question him on his actions, his fruit. We are told we will know them by their fruits.
Since he will not allow that questioning, indeed since there are too many ppl with too many questions for him to possibly answer, and since there is no pastor we can take him too to discuss our “ought” against him, we are left with no way out of our questionings except measuring him against the Word and by his fruits.
He cancels prayer breakfasts, he celebrates with Muslims at every holy day, if not in person, then wishing them well by video. He and his administration belittle and mock biblical christianity at every turn possible. I might be mistaken, but I don’t recall he has done anything special for the Jewish other than to say Happy Passover. His Christmas tree is devoid of religious symbols of any sort and Easter is about the bunny. He does not have a church home.
In fact, reading through his responses, all his exclamations of faith are in fact political and civil rights oriented. Mentioning John Ashcroft, mentioning the civil rights movement, what he did to bring that body of churches together to fight the evils of steel companies gone under, and in his discussion of his conversion even mentioned “civil religion”. Hence, his fruits show that he is about righting what he believes to be “social injustices”. It was bad of those companies to go out of business, we needed to be those folk’s Saviour. Not, it was hard times and taxes were too high for those companies to compete, we needed to bring hope to the ppl and help them find ways to create their own destiny’s, their own businesses.
By fruits, it would appear that he believes HE is the Saviour, the crusader, righting all the wrongs to the civil rights movement. This includes the “downtrodden” muslims whom Ashcroft “hunted” down. This thinking automatically makes the successful whites guilty for they don’t want to “share” their wealth. He deeply believes every white person who experiences a modicum of success should give all their wealth away to those we have so “brutally” beaten down and “walked over” to find that wealth in the first place. He thinks “No rich man can enter the eye of the needle” rather than the fact that riches make it harder for man, to not allow those riches to control him, to remain loving, and that the way narrows. He has a greater responsibility.
Somehow, by the flaunting of their success, their fruits prove that they have convinced themselves that their riches don’t count in that equation. They can vacation to exotic places while we foot the bill, no matter those same ppl who lost their jobs are now dependent on government aid and couldn’t ever hope to fly away to exotic ports. He is the epitome of the double standard and he is so self-righteous he doesn’t even know it. By his fruits, he is the man forgiven his debt who then that very day jailed his indebted friend over 20 talents.
Nothing we say will change them for they are all about changing us. That means turning christianity in “civil religion”. He is America’s Saviour in his view. Our only choice is repenting for our lack of faith and praying that heaping coals of conviction come upon his head, for his way is a perversion of the way, the truth and the light. IMHO we got what we asked for and this is a huge lesson for mankind. Test them and see if they are true before putting that check in the box. The test showed clearly that he was deceived and deceiving at the outset, but we didn’t heed. We were silent or we were taken in, neither of which exempts us from our own fruit.



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ALICE ELWELL

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:46 am


I want to believe what he said, it seems harmless to the nation. However I keep thinking about that
old saying, “You can lie to the infidel.”



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Robert Neese

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:46 am


I read parts of Falsini’s interview in 2008, before the election. I read a subsequent interview from Christianity Today, where Obama sounded like an evangelical Christian, providing all the “right” answers. I thought, “Yeah, this was his prep by his handlers for the big show, to woo the evangelical community. Slick. And a Elmer Gantry fraud.”
He fooled a lot of them, and as a result, is President.
Any true follower of Jesus Christ that was willing to take a look at the man’s background, his ideology, his Black Liberation theology church, his most extreme leftist voting records, (when he wasn’t on the fence voting ‘present’), his personal and poliltical associations, his disrespect for innocent life, his misquotes of the Bible to suit his agenda, his disdain for the Constitution as a ‘flawed’ document…. surely could not have supported his candidacy.
Too many Christians at that time putting their fingers in their ears, refusing to look, and singing, “la-la-la”. Some, incredibly, still are. For some, it may take one day waking penniless and devoid of Constitutional and God-given freedoms that we have enjoyed, before they realize what has been wrought by their support of this administration.



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Anita

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:55 am


The main thing I saw in this interview is that Obama believes in himself. It is interesting that he doesn’t talk about God or the Bible or Jesus or even Ghandi as much as he talks about himself. In my opinions, his god is himself! With this tolerant mindset whatever a man thinks is right, is right. As long as we don’t infringe on anyone else’s right to believe whatever they want our “christian” faith is OK. Hogwash! That is NOT what the Bible teaches nor was Jesus tolerant of any and all religions!



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Tim Hays

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:03 am


“There are many pathes to the same place.” BHO is correct in that statement. However, the place is NOT where most people have assumed. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Profession of Christianity (note root word Christ) is to profess following Jesus Christ, ie., “the way”. Or as us old Jesus Freaks pointed up and said there is one way brother. Just One Way! Maybe BHO’s god is not a jealous god. The God of Abraham, Isac & Jesus is a very jealous God. One Way. One path. One truth.



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Roy B

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:05 am


There is so much wrong with his so-called Christian and Constitutional beliefs.
Obama speaks of many paths leading to God. Jesus speaks of one way leading to God, all others leading to destruction. Obama speaks of prayer as little more than ruminating on his own thoughts, not of petitioning God and quieting himself to hear from God. He speaks more of reaching for a higher power rather than submitting to God, as if Oprah’s buzzwords carry more weight than the words of the Bible.
Any true student of history knows the Constitution’s intent was to provide a place where religion could flourish without the heavy hand of kings and governments telling them what was acceptable to believe, no matter whether they were “fundamentalist” or not. The early colonies/states were often founded specifically as refuges for specific religions, each state providing a place where like-minded believers could be free. Obama believes he has a Constitutional mandate to prevent what he considers to be “disruptive strains of fundamentalism” from “taking root in this country”.
The man is no Christian, not by biblical standards, and according to the oath of office he took, he is failing to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Major fail on all counts.



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Vick

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:10 am


We don’t know anyone elses heart, but if Obama is a christian then why is he trying to get Israel to hand over Jeruselam to Palastine? That land belongs to and will always belong to the Jews! Promised to by God. The Bible doesn’t lie, hasn’t lied and will never lie. It is true. It isn’t enough to just to good things in our lives. It is sad to see that the people were so desperate for change that they didn’t even try to find out what that change meant.



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Janet

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:11 am


i do not believe Obama is a Bible believing Christian but I think he is a christian in that he not Jewish, Moslem,Hindu,etc. After reading the article carefully two times, I would conclude that his religion is Me Myself and I (very very dangerous).



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Roy

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:17 am


Its interesting to see that it seems that it is all about him. His definition of sin is interesting “Being out of alignment with my values” In that context it would seem a little arrogant almost as he is equivilent with God.



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A Freeman

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:20 am


Taqiya
Within the Islamic theological framework, the concept of Taqiyya is derived from the Arabic triliteral root waw-qaf-ya, denoting “piety, devotion, uprightness, and godliness”, and refers to the practice of precautionary dissimulation whereby believers may conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion.



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N Goodwin

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:35 am


“Its’ not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God. I think throughout the day, I’m constantly asking myself questions about what I’m doing, why am I doing it.”
Psychologically this is concerning to me. I believe people really do tell us who they are in conversation. Oprah once said she learned that when people tell you who they are, believe them the firs time! Obama says he has an ongoing conversation with God and then immediately explains that he talks to HIMSELF throughout the day. I also think he laid out a specific struggle he has in the following paragraph…”It’s interesting particularly now after this election, comes with it a lot of celebrity. And I always think of politics as having two sides. There’s a vanity aspect to politics, and then there’s a substantive part of politics. Now you need some sizzle with the steak to be effective, but I think it’s easy to get swept up in the vanity side of it, the desire to be liked and recognized and important. It’s important for me throughout the day to measure and to take stock and to say, now, am I doing this because I think it’s advantageous to me politically, or because I think it’s the right thing to do? Am I doing this to get my name in the papers or am I doing this because it’s necessary to accomplish my motives.”
I don’t need more than just his words as evidence of his incredible egocentrism (although, pop culture’s embrace, his fear of leaving the telepromter, and statements like not talking to the head of British Pertrolim after the oil spill because basically he knew what the rich white guy would say in advance – are also pretty good supporting evidence as well. I’ve met some rich white guys who are @$$ holes and some who are nice – maybe he missed the judge individul character part of the civil rights. I also don’t think all banks are Evil – I like mine and it serves a useful purpose.)



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Millie

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:38 am


I don’t feel any more enlightened about his beliefs than I did before I read this. If anything, it sounds like he thinks if one pursues good values, one will receive a reward in the afterlife, if there is an afterlife, and he didn’t sound too sure that there is.



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Driver Dave

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:09 pm


For me the quintessential moment of the interview was the very few words exchanged between interviewer/interviewee on the subject of sin.
F: Do you believe in sin?
O: Yes.
F: What is sin?
O: Being out of alignment with my values.
Without a clear understanding of exactly what sin is (and is not), nothing else works. He’s really nothing more than a Humanist masquerading as a Christian … and doing a poor job of it, to boot.



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Patsy Swinson

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:19 pm


A true Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the Savior of us all, not just a “wonderful teacher” who connects man with God; but, through His atonement, is the only way to exaltation. This does not mean that some “Hindu kid” who has no exposure to Christianity is doomed to hell.



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d dean

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm


you know, a person should know at least a little bit about what they are bs-ing about. OBH FAILED



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C Bert

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm


People of strong religious conviction rarely have any trouble explaining what they believe and why they believe it – whether or not it accurately aligns with the theological teachings to which they claim to ascribe. The only clear message that can be discerned from this interview is that Barack Hussein Obama kinda sorta believes what he sometimes thinks when he actually thinks about it. And that he is THE center of his own theology. Perhaps it might be labeled ObaNewMusliAnity. Oh! Wasn’t he that funny looking guy in the Star Wars movies?



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Barb G

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:40 pm


He’s a universalist masquarading as a Christian. It’s becoming more and more common, even in Christian churches. It’s that concept that “We are all little gods.”



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Free Spirit for truth and common sense

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm


Just a follow up to my previous comments.
I agree with those that are concerned about Obama’s self-centered humanism, which is also a critique of Buddhism. Our founders were very clear about the essential necessity of Nature’s God in the maintenance of a civilization and in the embodiment of the civil society. Belief in something larger than man is a requisite element in our American identity. That belief, which can come from either faith or reason, protects us from man’s narcissism and controlling instincts. Nature’s God is essential to our identity.



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Lisa

posted August 21, 2010 at 12:48 pm


Mr. Obama is clearly not a Christian. He would certainly know who Jesus Christ is if he was. He definitely needs to do some soul searching to figure out just what he is. A born again Christian would know that you don’t get to heaven by good works alone. We need to pray for this President and for our country.



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MikeMay777

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm


There have been many excellent comments made here by far more eloquent speakers and writers than myself so I will be brief.
This is the first time reading this article.
It appears, Mr. Obama was and apparently as of the current time (08/21/2010), still justifying his existence. Far from Christ in his walk, if his statements are true, traveling down a road built by him rather than Him. He is missing the truth but reaching for only his own view of truth. Over power the people’s wants, desires and needs. Far over reaching the job of a leader and some one to set an example.
As a pastor, my heart is saddened. Obama is just a little boy, who appears to never have learned basic truths, integrity and honor. Ego, self-thought and force appear to be his mark. How unfortunate that he is in the body of a man and has been granted so much power to do his own will over so many people. I pray that others will open their now shuteyes.
Basic Biblical truths,
ABOUT SALVATION
Romans 10:9 (New International Version)
9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
ABOUT Doing GOOD for acceptance and salvation
Ephesians 2:8-9 (New International Version)
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
ABOUT REFLECT AS CHILDREN
Matthew 18:1-7
1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5″And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7″Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!
THAT IS ONE REASON WHY I PRAY FOR OBAMA.
But to believers who act as we are told through scripture. (That is no picking and choosing what you like and dislike in the bible).
REMEMBER
All people are CREATIONS of God. Believers are CHILDREN of God.
READ ROMANS 8:1-17
(New International Version)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[d] 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind of sinful man[e] is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7the sinful mind[f] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship.[g] And by him we cry, “Abba,[h] Father.” 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
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tr

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:13 pm


FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
My Question to Obama:
So are your policies also your values or are you in sin?



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Me.

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:15 pm


I really appreciated his comments and found them to more represent how I feel Christ may have visioned it. Thank you for providing a good apology for loving humanity, Barak!



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Tom Kiker

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm


If Obama was truly a Christian, he would know that Christ said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me,”(John 14:6) instead of saying that there are many ways to God. He would also know that he can know for certain that he will inherit eternal life for it is written.”These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life…” (1 John 5:13).



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Susanne Ridnour

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:37 pm


If Obama has read the bible as he states, he should know where he goes after he dies. And he should know what heaven is.



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Barbara

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:47 pm


How can you born again Christians believe this man is a Christian?
He does not believe in hell nor that the Bible is totally truthful. Thus, he does not believe that the Bible is the true Word of God – God breathed. You cannot be a Christian if you deny the Word of God.
He believes Jesus is a “great teacher”. He does not say that He is God in the flesh.
He does not believe in professing his faith. Scripture says, “If you deny me before man, I will deny you before my Father in Heaven.”
He does not read the Bible on a regular basis, or currently, not at all. He is in the most important position in his life and he doesn’t read the Word of God to instruct him!!! How sad!
He believes if he’s a good man he will go to heaven. Not going to happen. A “born again Christian” reads His Bible daily and “professes” the name of God to all. Jesus said, “you (we) go and preach the Word of God to all people and all nations.” Preaching isn’t just teaching, it’s being an example of Christ.
You people who believe he is a Christian are not reading this interview with an open mind. Read it again, slowly, carefully.



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Becky Gillette

posted August 21, 2010 at 1:52 pm


If we really have freedom of religion in this country, why does the president have to be someone who says the ONLY way to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior? That is the ONLY path to heaven? When I was 16 years old, I rejected Mormonism because it taught that the only way to get into heaven was to accept Mormonism. So everyone who has ever lived on Earth or ever will has to accept Mormonism, and be baptized in proxy (Baptism for the dead, where living people–usually kids–get dunked under the water to be baptized in proxy for a dead person). When I was a kid I was baptized for the dead and about the tenth time in a row that I got dunked under, baptized in the name of a dead person, it just came to me that it was was very odd to me that God would require this kind of ritual dunking in order to let anyone into heaven.
But it seems to me the Mormons at least allow all the billions of others on the planet a chance to get into heaven if they accept Mormonism in the afterlife and get some kid to be dunked in their name. Christians say no amount of good deeds will get you into heaven, only accepting Jesus. And you have to do it while you are living, not after death.
So I guess the earlier folks blogging in response to this article think it is okay to condemn 4\5th of the world to hell because they were born in an area of the world where they can’t learn about Christianity?
Obama: There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.
FALSANI:
You don’t believe that?
OBAMA:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.



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CIMH

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:04 pm


OF course we are not to judge another man, however we are also told to be careful of false teachers. Only if you KNOW that Jesus is God’s son, and also the ONLY way to heaven are you a Christian. I am sorry, but this pie in the sky, if someone is a good person God will not let them burn for eternity is not Christianity. Both God and Jesus make it clear that the only way to spend eternity with God is to know Jesus as your lord and savior. He is not a “good teacher” or a prophet. I feel sorry for the people that feel that good works is a way to heaven, yes, I have my sins to answer for, but one of them is not going to be “judging” Obama’s faith. He makes it quite clear that he needs some real Christian teaching and beliefs before he is a true Christian. As for Hindu children, well, if someone has not had the chance to learn about Jesus, of course he will not be judged, it is those that know the message and refuse to believe it that are judged. It is all covered in the Bible, if only someone takes the time to study it.



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Jan

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:14 pm


@ Becky Gillette:
1) We really do have freedom of religion in this country. Obama DOESN’T have to be someone who believes in any way but what he chooses to believe. HE is the one who calls HIMSELF Christian. But he clearly is not. THAT is the problem I and many like me have with this man…he is NOT honest.
2) “But it seems to me the Mormons at least allow all the billions of others on the planet a chance to get into heaven if they accept Mormonism in the afterlife and get some kid to be dunked in their name. Christians say no amount of good deeds will get you into heaven, only accepting Jesus. And you have to do it while you are living, not after death.” My dear, neither Mormons nor Christians, nor any other human beings have the power to “allow” anybody into Heaven. That is God’s job. Read your Bible, He tells you exactly how that happens. My prayers go with you.



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Ron H

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:18 pm


He seems to be pathologically self-centered, with no true sense of who God is. RH made the reference as well to the passing of the security guard and his exchanging pleasantries with him. He seems to see this as a great deed of spirituality. For goodness sake man, you’re just talking to another human being. Does he see himself as that special, that it needed mentioning that he speaks to the lowly security guard? I think the man has a psychological disorder; one that will reveal itself even further as his one and only term in office continues (me praying).



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Craig

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:31 pm


While all of your critiques of Obama may be true, if you believe the Bible and every word in it, then you know that God elevated him to his position as president. The Bible says that Kings and Rulers are put in place by God.
I wouldn’t call him a Christian. He seems as though he is more of a Buddhist. Except he smokes, drinks, and lies.



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Paula

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:35 pm


President Obama was taught in a Catholic school during impressionable years. An emphasis of works was placed on him. If one would look up all the scriptures on salvation, there are a lot more of them on how to be saved. There are good scriptures in James, which were written after Ephesians,faith without works is dead. So President Obama maybe has not learned humility, but he does care about humanity. The Lord has allowed him to be our President, perhaps to bring about some things that needed to be changed in the hearts of people. Yes Christ is the way, and we have plenty of other religions that don’t agree. It is still up to the Christian to set the example of the pure love of Christ.



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Alan

posted August 21, 2010 at 2:58 pm


By their works ye shall know them.



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Brenda F.

posted August 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm


The issue is not IF he is Christian or not, but that he INSISTS that he, while it is obvious that he is just making things up from within his “mental library.”
He weedles his way thru this interview while throwing the The Civil Rights movement, Gandi, and Abraham Lincoln under the bus by implying that individual faith can be hurtful while he slyly inserts his real belief in a better, collective faith!
Liar, Liar, Pants on FIRE!



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Howard rogers

posted August 21, 2010 at 3:31 pm


I don’t think there is any question on the intellect of Me. Obama. He is very intellegent very quick and smooth in his speaking. he is somewhat discerned as all politicians are. religion is like eating chicken. you eat the meat and spit out the bones. One fact is clear and He admits it. A true Christian is one who regognizes that God had a son sent him to earth to die for the sins of theearth. The issue of sin is finished as far as judgement is concerned. Jesus has already paid for sin. The thing that will send you to hell is the refusal of the sin offering. That is the covering. Religion and politics doesnot save anyone.Jesus saves. When a person accepts Christ as there Savior they are borned again. God gives them the Holy Spirit and they become a child of God. Mr. Obama is playing safew as far as making proclamations. He is a budhist, a catholic, a muslum, a christian, anything to help gain political supoport. He is very charasmatic in nature but is He a Christian? In some ways He tries to be. He admits his failures but his own lack of belief in the supreme sacrifice and the narrow path is through the shed blood of hisa son. He made no mention of the blood of Jesus for his sins.



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diaz

posted August 21, 2010 at 3:56 pm


Its clear that even then he was polishing his B/S as he thouht he was not going to be ask further about christianity. book should have been titled buyer beware.



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Jo

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:09 pm


I don’t really care whether or not Obama is Christian. I think many who claim christianity as their faith aren’t really sure about many things that are taught. I’m a Unitarian Universalist and I love the acceptance of it. “If you don’t believe as we believe you’re going to hell” is bunk in my church.
You can find others of faith through their good deeds, their moral life and their noble profession. “Faith can only exist where there is doubt”. You don’t have to have faith in a table because you can see it and feel it and put stuff on it.
Obama is a good man with a good heart who loves his wife and daughters. He loves his country and wants to do good in the short span of time he has been allotted in history to make a difference and leave the world a little bit better. We should all stop hating those who don’t believe as we believe and just go out and do good.



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Roy Andrews

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:09 pm


What’s with Christians? Why do they not have tolerance for other beliefs. Must you believe in the deity of Jesus to know and believe in the spiritual goodness and meaning of God, which is love, principle,life, etc. The beliefs of radical Islam, Rev. Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, etc. do not reflect these attributes, but neither does an intolerance of the so-called “saved”.
Now reread one of Obama’s comments extracted from above. I don’t like any of his socialist views, but there is no clue in his comments that he is a Muslim.
FALSANI:
(Do you have)”an example of a role model, who combined everything you said you want to do in your life, and your faith?”
OBAMA:
“I think Gandhi is a great example of a profoundly spiritual man who acted and risked everything on behalf of those values but never slipped into intolerance or dogma. He seemed to always maintain an air of doubt about him. (…)Dr. King, and Lincoln, those three are good examples for me of people who applied their faith to a larger canvas without allowing that faith to metasticize into something that is hurtful.”



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quantum scott

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:29 pm


I think it’s patently obvious from his comments he’s as much a Christian as my dog ‘Sport’ is. In the very outset he declared he believed there’s many ways. Sorry bo, that won’t fly on judgment day. There’s ONE AND ONLY ONE WAY.



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Jim Lowder

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:49 pm


Fascinating read. However, you miss so much by not seeing the interview. A person’s body language tells a completely different tale sometimes. I still think he’s a Muslim……….



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MOMwithAbrain

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:50 pm


This is very interesting. First thing to note is that by not attending one church and church shopping, it doesn’t seem as if he has any real solid understanding or faith in Christ. It’s kind of like a hodge podge of beliefs. Ultimately when do you recognize truth? How do you recognize truth?
He says: And so, the biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass. Those are the conversations I’m having internally. I’m measuring my actions against that inner voice that for me at least is audible, is active, it tells me where I think I’m on track and where I think I’m off track.
That’s the problem. Where’s the moral compass? He thinks he has one, but who/what is guiding it? Is it Christ? IF so, how does he reconcile his abortion stance? Sounds more like cafeteria Christianity and he gets to choose what’s truth/right and moral. If it doesn’t fit his personal ideas, then you pick from another branch.
He also says: Looking for, … It’s interesting, the most powerful political moments for me come when I feel like my actions are aligned with a certain truth. I can feel it. When I’m talking to a group and I’m saying something truthful, I can feel a power that comes out of those statements that is different than when I’m just being glib or clever
How does he know that’s not the devil guiding him? Sometimes we believe we are doing something right, but that’s the deception of the devil.
HE then says:
Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.
Some of the most radical preachers you will find. Radical marxists are evil.
He then says:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That’s just not part of my religious makeup.
Obviously he missed the part of the Catechism that addresses this situation. A loving and compassionate GOD does not condemn people to hell if they’ve no interaction with Christianity. Paul assures us that God wills all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). He must then have provided the means for that will to be accomplished, which means salvation must be at least possible for everyone.
HERE YOU GO:
FALSANI:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
My values?? Oh boy is this scary! Not God’s values? Moral relativism isn’t truth or righteous.
They ask him about a role model…not ONE Saint is mentioned. Very sad considering he attended a Catholic School!!!



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Leah

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:52 pm


Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Christians teach the Trinity–God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit–three in one.
Christians teach and believe that our sins were paid for by the death and resurrection of Jesus.
What is sin–not going against our values, as Obama said. What about disobeying the Ten Commandmants, as an answer.
Also, Obama does not say that he is certain of heaven.
He is all over the place. What does one song lyrics say, if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.



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Richard, D

posted August 21, 2010 at 4:58 pm


I may be wrong but to be a christian you have to believe Jesus died for your sins and through him you are saved! It sounds to me he don’t believe that part! Christians are not to have hatred against anyone yet he went to a racist Reverend Wright for 20 years! He says he looked up to Gandhi an Gandhi was Hinduism, A diverse body of religion, philosophy, and cultural practice native to and predominant in India, characterized by a belief in reincarnation and a supreme being of many forms and natures, by the view that opposing theories are aspects of one eternal truth, and by a desire for liberation from earthly evils. He said his mother had him read other religious material. I’m curious to why the interviewer never asked Obama if he ever red the Koran or his beliefs to there religion? I know his dad was Muslim. If Obama is christian why did he keep the Muslim name I would have change mine, I wouldn’t want to be associated to the Muslim faith? I like how he refers to the black church like its a church of many denominations! Is he saying he couldn’t go to any white churches because we don’t have many denominations. We do white evangelists churchs! God warns of false prophets in the bible. I think we have one with Obama. He said he believes in all kinds of religion well if your a christian you believe in one god and only one god AND THAT GOD CREATED EVERYTHING EVEN JESUS. To believe in any thing other then god your not a christian! It’s not complected your either one or not! I think he is leaning more to the Muslim religion or racist teachings thats why he don’t tell! His dad was Muslim so you know he knows allot about the Muslim faith! The interviewer should have asked him how many times a day he prays? He went to a racist black church for 20 and Rev Wright was racist enough said he is a fake!



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Don Christenson

posted August 21, 2010 at 5:05 pm


Mr. Obama’s statement about his feelings about Jesus interests me. He uses the words, “historical figure,” “bridge between God and man,” and “wonderful teacher,” but he doesn’t use the words, “Savior” or “Redeemer.” That seems to connect significantly with his statement that sin means “being out of alignment with my values.” If there is no sin in the sense of violating or being out of alignment with God’s commandments, then there is no need for a Redeemer to redeem us from such sin.
It seems to me that Mr. Obama has worked out what he believes about spiritual things in his mind in a sort of flexible way and then labeled that set of beliefs as “Christian.” It’s not so much a matter of understanding and deciding to accept a set of doctrines or of committing his life to Christ. It is a matter of accepting the term Christian for his set of beliefs.



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Ed Bez

posted August 21, 2010 at 5:09 pm


In the scriptures there is one verse that is famous at all football games. John3:16 whereby it staets that God so loved the World that He gave His Only Begotten Son–that whosever believeth on Him shall not perish. The 2nd verse after that syas–”he that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned aready. Many believe Jesus as a great teacher, a prophet–but the question is–Jesus claimed to be God and”no man cometh unto the Father but by Him! Many believe in God–the dividing line is–who is Jesus to you. Ye must be born again to enter into the kingdom. Thats the scripture. Accept it or denie it. Your life is in the balance. We are living in the time whereby all of prohesy is coming to fruition–and the time is short.



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Belinda Saxon

posted August 21, 2010 at 6:19 pm


One of the main things about being a Christian is that you are known by your works. Does what you do provide evidence that you are a Christian? You can never say one person is a Christian or note- that is between you and God, but your beliefs are reflected by your actions. Every chance that Obama has had to show that he does believe as a Christian has been opportunities lost. Our National Day of Prayer, he failed. He did not show it the respect that there should be.
He did have the Muslims come to the White House of their Holy days of prayer. He has done this more than once. The only time he has anything to say about a Christian value is when he is trying to use it against Christians.
His beliefs on abortion clinch it for me. I don’t think any real Christian could believe in Late term abortion like he does. I quoted his beliefs to fine Black Christian women before the election along with his other ideas that are contrary to our beliefs. They voted for him and their answer to this was Congress and Senate won’t let him do that. They were proved wrong.



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Your NameLu Ingram

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm


Obama said when asked if he prayed? He said uh..I think I do, You either pray or you don’t . His answer should have been yes or no. He walked all around it but never said “I accept by FAITh that Jesus died on the cross for all my sins past,present,future (Peter chp.3) And that He rose on the third day giving me the same hope that I to would rise and be with Jesus after death. I pray every day with my church that this man could be converted by some christian if there are any up there in Washington who cares more about this man’s soul that their job and money.



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Howard

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:48 pm


This is crap. If anybody believes this interview happened in 2004 and obama was citing Fox news and talk radio back then, please!! The man has absolutly no respect for the U.S. Constitution, during a radio interview he proclaimed that he felt it is a document of negitive liberties because it says what the elected officals at the federal level can’t do to you!!! Keeps him or anyone else from becoming a dictator, what a bummer huh!!! Another thing during one of his bazillion interviews he had a slip and proclaimed his muslim faith, truth or accident, I think truth. This man is a pathological lier and a fruad. Scripture proclaims that all lies will be exposed it’s just a matter of time. One last thing who runs this web site? can it be trusted? I mean look at the top and who is mentioned CBS and ABC, not real trust worthy sources of information anymore are they. Praise be to God and my his kindom come.



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Howard

posted August 21, 2010 at 7:58 pm


Another point of interest I just did a quick search of Steve Waldman and guess what he now works as point man for fixing media at nowhere else but the FCC! Hum interesting.



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Toy

posted August 21, 2010 at 8:44 pm


Did anyone catch the last quote? ” Exactly. I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me”….FAITH IN ME???? Unbelievable. God(Not Obama)help us all….



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BB

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:04 pm


Well, I read the entire interview. I also have spent the last hour or so reading everyone’s comments. Really, this is not a matter of what Obama says faith is, what a fundamentalist Christian might say faith is or anyone else for that matter.
God is Father, Son(Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. There are many false religious paths that mimic the truth. But God, through his Son, Jesus Christ said….”I Am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one will get to the Father but through me.” That is my paraphrase, but get out your BIBLE in any translation….Jesus said that. Not me.
Also, Mr. Obama has a hard time believing that HIS GOD would send so many to Hell. Well, God is perfect. God is HOLY. God is JUST. He can not and will not accept us as sinful creatures. It goes against His Nature and Character. He can not go against that because then He would not be God. He would be one of us. Not much of a God to believe in there.
But, because God loves us and wanted to make a way for us to be “in rightness” with him again…he sent his only Son, Jesus Christ to earth. Now I understand some do not believe in the literallity of the Bible. However, if the Bible is not meant to be literal, then why would GOD himself not communicate that to us. Instead, he says just to opposite….that not one letter, period, comma etc will be left out of HIS WORD, until the end of the world has come to pass. That’s God speaking about His Word, not me.
God does not and will not send anyone who is incapable of understanding to hell. But to those of us who hear and choose to turn away…there will be judgement. Jesus stated this in the New Testament. God, through the prophets stated this in the Old Testament. God shows His truth to us in many ways….His Creation, His Word etc.
“Sin is not living up to ones moral values” according to Mr. Obama. Sin is breaking God’s law. Guess What? WE ARE ALL GUILTY!!!!!!! There is not a one…Not even Ghandi or Mother Theresa who was not a sinner. They did marvoulus things. Had much compassion etc. Their motivations were wonderful and well-intentioned. But, it doesn’t change the fact that when you read the Bible and ask sincerely for God to show you HIS truth… we all sin and fall short of God’s Commands. Who of us in this world would be able to keep the 10 Commandments for even one day or one hour. None. We can not be perfect. We all break God’s law.
Jesus is God’s way of changing the untimate destination of all of us. We choose our ultimate destination. Heaven. Yes, it is real. Hell, it is real too.
Many today would prefer to find truth “relative”. But, with relative truth there is no truth at all. Because there is no set standard. Make no mistake. God has HIGH STANDARDS. We can not work our way out of our sin.
I do not say this the comdenm anyone. No. Just as God states, we are to love others as we love ourself. I am tolerant of others views. I have many friends who would not consider themselves to be Christian. I still love them. As a matter of fact, I long for them to know the Truth of God’s love. I pray that God will use me to show them love in so many ways that they may eventually see HIM in me. A poor reflection to be sure, but none the less a glimmer of His love.
We can not alter the TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD to convienently suit our desires and wants. God is God. HIS WORD IS TRUTH. Don’t believe it. Then, read it, study it, and ask God to “enlighten you.” You may be suprised at what you discover!



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Bill

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:16 pm


He does not believe the Bible because Jesus says the only way to the Father is through me. He believes that the Muslims have a path to God through Mohammed. If he is a Christian he is a very immature Christian which makes his faith a questioning faith because he does not study the Word to have a better understanding of his faith or lack of faith.



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Jim

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:40 pm


He has said many things that indicate to all that he is a muslim.
Even during his campaign he stated that in a crisis he would stand with Islam. He has done many things that is in line with the destruction of America. No National Prayer day but he invites 50,000 muslims to Washington for Ramadan. In the interview he lied and muslims can lie to justify their cause …that of controlling or destroying the infidels……He has been to all 57 states…and that doesn’t include Alaska and Hawaii. This he said in his campaign. He’s either an idiot or muslim…perhaps both. He bows to his senior muslim, the King of a muslim nation, Saudi Arabia.
Many people could care less about where he’s from, what he is, or the like, as long as they can get their government handout, their entitlements. Obama and his czars have taken away the initiative of the American worker. He has run us into debt so deeply that our children, grand children and great grand children will never get out of debt.
We are becoming a weak nation while China, Russia, Iran and Venzuela become stronger and stronger. Right now the illegal aliens from all over the world are streaming across the southern borders. He has done nothing until lately whereas he has dispatched only a token number of Guardsmen but has tied their hands to only administrative duties.
He has surrounded himself with tax dodgers, Chicago criminals, Homosexuals, communists and socialists……all hell bent on the destruction of America………..By the way have you noticed that the Justice Department has removed the Seal and flag from their website? This just one of many tell tale signs that “Our America” is disappearing. And since American is not being taught in our schools and colleges, it won’t be long before it will be that no one can recall what the America of the Greatest Generation was like….God help us and America. And for those who do not believe what I have typed, do your own research.
Jim



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maryanndarr

posted August 21, 2010 at 10:53 pm


An interview with Obama about his religion



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Tsqwared

posted August 21, 2010 at 11:30 pm


Thank God some others are finally in agreement with my own words regarding the obvious truth: BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A MUSLIM! I actively speak with conservative talk show hosts, on TV and radio, and even some of them have balked at that idea–until NOW! Go to prisonplanet.com and infowars.com to see it in Obama’s own words! So now we find ourselves NOT represented in government, while the president is numbered amongst our enemy! We are currently fighting radical Islamists, whom Obama would rather entertain, and make the Prime Minister of Israel enter through the White House kitchen! If it walks-like-a-duck…its a freakin’ DUCK!Better hide some unregistered arms and ammo! There may come a day! GET OUT AND VOTE THEM ALL OUT! God help America…



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Carl Karasti

posted August 22, 2010 at 12:38 am


The vast majority of the comments here beautifully illustrate the truth that people are unable to see and understand beyond the narrow limitations of their own fixed beliefs.
Here is a suggestion – a challenge, if you will:
+ Consider how many scholars, theologians, ministers, priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, conferences, councils, etc. have studied, prayed, meditated, discussed, debated, and issued various interpretations and proclamations regarding the essentials of Christianity.
+ Consider the numerous variations on Christianity extant in the world today – including the variety of personal beliefs and practices within each denomination, within each church.
+ Consider your place in this two thousand year history of continually evolving Christianity.
+ Consider how your own personal beliefs and faith have evolved throughout your lifetime.
+ Now ask yourself these questions – quietly and sincerely in the very depth of your heart:
= Who am I to say that I am right? That I have now figured this all out on my own? Or that I have chosen the one and only correct path out of the tangled web people have woven over two millennia?
= Who am I to declare myself an authority and thus be able to pass judgment on the beliefs and faith of another?
The reason Barack Obama seems wishy-washy, uncertain, unclear or even downright wrong to so many of you is that you DO believe you are right in the one and only way possible. Yet it is your certainty, your fixation on your beliefs, that is your very downfall on your spiritual path. Consider that yours is a prideful certainty, and that pride goeth before the fall.
A true spiritual path is a process of constant growth; a continual expansion of knowledge, insight, understanding and realization. It is a process of transcending yourself, of moving beyond your own limitations. It is like climbing a ladder towards heaven. Becoming fixated in your beliefs, on the other hand, is like becoming stuck on some rung of the ladder and no longer progressing. Becoming fixated on the beliefs of some particular church is often like leaving your ladder and stepping off onto that platform and remaining there.
Barack Obama is not stuck on the rung of any ladder. He is open to questioning his beliefs, open to questioning and clarifying his values, open to constantly re-evaluating his progress on his spiritual path and his actions as a spiritual person and as a politician. He consistently values the spiritual paths of others and strives to be inclusive rather than dismissively judgmental of others. He consistently values love, kindness, caring, respect and personal responsibility; doing unto others as he would have them do unto him. He consistently values an awareness that there is a Higher Power; that there is a Oneness behind all diversity that unites us all. He consistently strives towards these values that characterize the essence not only of Christianity but of all true spiritual paths. And that striving means not being stuck on some rung, but continually climbing the spiritual ladder towards the highest ideals of human kind, which are the Ideals of God.
Barack Obama’s invitation to all of us is to do the same – to progress along our spiritual paths while not hindering one another but instead helping, encouraging and inspiring each other. And the same is true for our political paths as together we strive towards attaining greater stability, strength and security for our country and for the world. How many of us are really up to this challenging invitation?



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Tyler

posted August 22, 2010 at 2:28 am


Sad that no one in America realized that this guy is a fake. how did we become so blind? a liberal media willing to do anything to cover up for this lunatic driving us to communism. I’m only 18, and i can only hope my children will be able to grow up in the same amazing America I have. Only one way to make sure that happens. go out and vote these lunatics out of office.
Carl Karasti- Why don’t you grow a pair and believe in something, stand for something.



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Robert M

posted August 22, 2010 at 3:22 am


I am always amazed by those who have sancified themselves as being so full of themselves that they are truly witout substance. One of the major tragities we are faced with are those intellectual who are caught up in their new age religion of Relativism,based upon Darwinian Social Evolution. There are no principles as that of unalienable truth as that of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness – the freedom to worship. With Sherea Law there can be no Liberty, nor life of pursuit outside of the a system that is demanding martyrdom to attain 71 virgins,in their here after; is an abomination. The day will come when the masses awaken to realize that there is pure evil in a cultures that are inbreed; are not conducive to coexistant. The moderate Muslim is a pure fantacy. In the not to distant future Iraq and Afganistan will revert back to their first love domination over their property – their women. In maintaining their cast system of their small ruling classes with their underclass.



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G.D. Nobody

posted August 22, 2010 at 4:17 am


So much hatred. Now I know where all the people are from the recent poll where 1 in 5 Americans think Obama is a Muslim.
“He has surrounded himself with tax dodgers, Chicago criminals, Homosexuals, communists and socialists……all hell bent on the destruction of America.”
We need more of this. That is to say we need more action in response to this. See my previous comments well above here (years ago) on the kind of action we need.



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ray whitman

posted August 22, 2010 at 7:10 am


well, kinda wierd belief. so he doesnt really believe anything just a bunch of everything so he dont get it wrong in the publis eye. still nothing from him always wishy washy.



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Sue

posted August 22, 2010 at 8:01 am


Obama has decided that he is his own god and has taken beliefs
from all different faiths and come up with his own.I can accept
other faiths but Obama should learn a little bit more about
the Christian faith before he claims to be a Christian. He
doesn’t even fake it well.



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kidlightnin

posted August 22, 2010 at 9:37 am


While I DISAGREE with Obama politically, I feel any persons “faith” is a personal relationship with his creator. I am a Baptist and have been in church for over 30 years. His relationship with God or Jesus Christ is his own cross to bare. Being a Democrat or Republican will not get you access to Heaven. Most Baptists are very dogmatic and incorrect to believe that “all other faiths are bound for Hell”. If that is the case then the Three Wise Men or Magi” that traveled from the East at his birth are in Hell now. They save his life and gave Mary and Joseph the gold to go to Egypt. Not only that…..Jesus was schooled and became a Rabbi in Egypt….not Jerusalem. Jesus stated,” I have many sheep in my flock”. Who says they are just Baptist or Catholic. Jesus was not big on spiritual organization. It was a one on one contract. Testament means a covanent or contract. The Old Testament requires us to keep over 600 Laws to be redeemed of God. The New Testament requires only two (2)commandments. I think Obama has met the two requirements that Jesus required. I judge not, lest I be judged to the same standard.



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Valerie Little

posted August 22, 2010 at 11:45 am


The truth has been hidden from Obama. I believe he is lost.



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John

posted August 22, 2010 at 11:53 am


“I believe that there are many paths to the same place…”
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xLmVM6Iz
Well, at least we know that he does not follow the Bible… he is a Christian in name, not in practice. This also is consistent with the Rev Wright where Barry “showed up” for 20 years. The mantra of “God damn America” has been consistently followed in this administration. Obviously, neither like “America” very much…



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Dave NRCA

posted August 22, 2010 at 11:57 am


C. S. Lewis contradicts the President’s view of Jesus by saying that Jesus was either deluded like the man who says he is a poached egg, or, a demon, deceiving mankind as to his ability to bring salvation, or God, the Lord of heaven and earth…the one thing that we must NOT do is to say that he was a GOOD MAN! I agree with Lewis, and the Bible!



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Marsha Black

posted August 22, 2010 at 12:48 pm


In my younger years, while I embraced witchcraft, I called myself a Christian Witch. I was raised in the church but knew nothing about God’s Word. When I was 39 years old, I met Jesus Christ face to face and was born again. Only then did I know that you cannot be a Christian AND a witch. Mr. Obama may have joined a church but he was not born again or he would know the difference. Being “born again” is not a catch phrase….it gives you a tremendous hunger to read and understand the WORD OF GOD….the Bible.



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singalong

posted August 22, 2010 at 12:51 pm


Let’s see, he believes Christ was a historical figure who was a good teacher (but we NEED good teachers in history)
He ‘found Christ’ in a “Christian” church which requires neither baptism nor that one renounce one’s Muslim faith or belief to join.
“when we walk into our church or mosque or synagogue” Funny, I don’t know anyone else who would put MOSQUE before synagogue, in this country. But then, I don’t know any Muslims… any OTHER Muslims.
“If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they?”(That’s sort of what’s it’s about, but okay). . .
Where does he find spiritual inspiration? ” . . .by watching a good performance of Hamlet, or reading Toni Morrison’s Song of Solomon, or listening to Miles Davis.”
A basketball game or a good game of golf would do it too, I’ll bet!
And add to that the fact that he considers watching Fox News or listening to talk radio “dangerous” (and this was 14 YEARS before he began his assault on our culture from the inside of the White House!) and feels the most centered when he’s being to true ‘myself’ or it’s ‘me making a speech’,’me playing with my kids’, or when ‘they’re recognizing me’. me me me !!!
And I ask you two questions: Do you STILL think this guy is a Christian? (He doesn’t even UNDERSTAND Christianity’s basic beliefs!)and 2) How narcissistic can you get? Good Grief!



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a bigot

posted August 22, 2010 at 1:36 pm


why wasnt this made public during his presidential campaign? a house divided wont stand. America is done! when it completely implodes the only hope for the world apart from Christ Jesus is a world govt. i’ll put my hope and faith in Jesus. man cannot get better or evolve out of sin. Gods plan for redemption is supreme. may God bless all who read this with faith in Jesus name. Amen!



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CounterCulturalBabe

posted August 22, 2010 at 2:17 pm


Maybe it is because I’m Roman Catholic and actually recite a creed of my beliefs at each Mass (not to mention recommitting to my baptismal vows that state the most basic beliefs whenever I attend a baptism), but I can’t fathom that he is correct in thinking most people are deciding each Sunday what things are said in their “chuch, mosque, or synagogue” that they do and don’t believe in. There are many traditions even within Christianity. If someone were hearing things each Sunday that contradicted their personal faith, I would think that they may be inclined to explore those differences so that they don’t find themselves a spectator in a faith that they find mostly unoffensive rather than true. Maybe other Christians feel differently, but I can’t imagine that they do.
I also agree with singalong.
“If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they?”
Really? It sounds as if no one has ever talked to him about the reason we go to church. Going to church isn’t simply an instructional course in how to be a Christian. It sounds like the concepts of praising, giving thanks, and seeking the help of God are foreign to him. Also, a communion with those in his particular faith community should be a no brainer considering what he keeps saying about “the black church” and that he obviously believes in collective salvation, but even there, he can’t see church as more than something to benefit him personally.
If asked, I probably would have said I thought he was a Christian before this article. Now I see that he is confused as to what the term means.



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Kelly M

posted August 22, 2010 at 3:12 pm


Well, this explains a lot. He seems VERY CONFUSED and easily persuaded.



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SaintlyMic

posted August 22, 2010 at 3:49 pm


It is obvious that obama does NOT hold Jesus in high regard.
When obama was asked who he looks up to the most he didn’t even mention Jesus.
It is obvious that obama feels Jesus Christ is somehow only a “man” who is NOT a good example because Jesus “applied His faith” to a larger canvas and then allowed His (Jesus’) faith to “metasticize” into something that is hurtful.
Obama actually believes Jesus was hurtful to a larger canvas of people or ideas!
Obama is NOT a True Christian in any sense of the WORD!
A True Christian holds Jesus as THE most important person, period, because a True Christian KNOWS that Jesus Christ is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!
Obama proves he is NOT a Christian because he holds his own actions and decisions above Jesus Christ.
Obama proves he is NOT a Christian because he believes Jesus Christ is “hurtful” to Jews and muslims, and hurtful to anyone else who rejects Jesus Christ as “THE ONE” who is right and true.
And, obama proves he is NOT a Christian because he holds a higher regard for a “black” Church than he does for “THE CHURCH”.
Finally, this shows us that obama is a racist, and this is something TRUE CHRISTIANS resist becoming.



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Chris S

posted August 22, 2010 at 4:05 pm


I was impressed with his tolerant views on spirituality, no one faith has a monopoly on access to “heaven”.
We are all “God’s Children” and have the capacity to make the world a better place by doing good, and following the “right” path ,regardless of our personal choice of religion.
It is a blessing to have a leader with this wisdom.



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Kindness

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:17 pm


The entire decision of whether Obama is a ‘Christian’ is by the fruit he bears towards others in reflection of his faith to obey GOD and His Son Christ Jesus. Christ says, ‘you shall know them by their fruits’ yet some show forth artificial fruit that they have observed of Christianity but cannot consistantly bear the fruit of the Spirit of GOD. Why because they have yet to receive the Holy Spirit and learn to obey the Holy Spirit. GOD detests sin yet He provides grace/forgiveness by Christ…but GOD is not obligated to forgive us…it is by Christ that HE offers us forgiveness…so we must have the connection to GOD by receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5) in order to be adopted into the Kingdom of Heaven.
When I read to the part where Obama is questioned ‘What is Sin?” Obama states, ……”Being out of alignment with my values.”
There is the problem and the fruit he bears….It is GOD’s values that determines what is sin, not Obama’s. I believe Obama would like to receive GOD’s Holy Spirit but first has to realize that GOD is greater than his own ego. But GOD has to want to choose Obama to save Obama..Christ says, ‘many are called, but few are chosen’. We cannot blame Obama for not really being a Christian. It is up to GOD if he ever becomes one…then we can see his fruit if he really learns of Christ.



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Brenda MacKrell

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:22 pm


If, according to Obama, American is not a Christian nation, why was it important for him to try and pass himself off as a Christian? By his interpretation, he could have gotten the vote anyway because we Christians do not make up the majority. Of course, Christians see right through his thinly disguised, political farce, and he looks even less credible for having done this interview. So why? I know some people think it’s so great having a “black” president — I say he is half white (give at least a nod to his white mother and the white grandparents who helped raise him). However, I do not care if he is a little green man from Mars (that would have been an improvement) what we need at this point is some balance in Washington!!! Regardless of the party, a one-party rule is close to a dictatorship.



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David

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:41 pm


He can’t be a Christian! He does not believe in the WORD’S of CHRIST…
to be a Christian You must believe and TRUST GOD — CHRIST
The truth is far from Obama..



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Kindness

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm


I just posted under ‘kindness’ just a few minutes ago and I then spent some time reading these posts.
I want to greet my brothers and sisters in the faith of Christ…I was really glad to see the work of the Holy Spirit in the words you selected to speak of what you thought of Obama and his conduct.
Many want Obama saved so that he really could be a ‘Christian leader’ for us in the USA and those Christians abroad that know the difference.
I give much respect for Joe in a post above for he states what he has learned of Obama’s actions and is not shy in speaking the truth as he has observed. It may sound harsh for some but I think that Christ would have said that about Obama instead of calling him ‘a viper’ as Christ called some in his day that were imposters.
Yet we all would like Obama saved so he would know that his fruit and actions and ‘type of faith’ is not the right path to GOD. GOD made all the colors and most likely left out the info as to the color of Christ’s skin so that he could see if we indeed could learn Christ without prejudice of what color Christ’s skin was or is I should say (they say he rose up from the dead in his body…Acts chapter one..and they were all amazed!) did you know that over 700 people saw the risen living Lord when he appeared to the disciples after the resurrection from the dead? Paul states that in the letter to the Corinthians…but doesn’t mention the color of the skin. Yet Thomas actually touched the living Christ after the resurrection from the dead and watched Christ eat fish. I wonder if Obama has read that yet?



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Kindness

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:59 pm


in reference to Kindness’s comments above…
BTW…Joe’s comments are from
Joe
August 20, 2010 5:33 PM
if you want to read them.
and Elaine’s posting was really informative and right on target to why Obama may have developed a certain manmade belief system about Christ.
Elaine
August 20, 2010 5:16 PM
As a graduate in theology, and having been in ministry for 15 years, and studying religion all my life as a Christian, I can say unequivocally that what Obama describes here as his theology is NOT CHRISTIAN at all, but the church belief system of his grandparents, a Unitarian-Universalism. And in Rev. Wright’s church that was Black Liberation Theology, that teaches ONLY black men can be/are Christians and that Jesus was black (read “Manchurian President” for Wright’s quotes.) See the other two Obama mentions, priest and minister, who are also NOT Chrsitians by the Biblical traditional definition. Like all his muddled and scrubbed biography, so is his religion elusive.
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen_comments.html#ixzz0xNHYDnLn



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Aaron

posted August 22, 2010 at 6:19 pm


I was wondering to myself, before Cathleen brought it up… Why has Obama not made a single reference to Jesus Christ? And why is he referring to Jesus as a “historical figure” when anyone who is a Christian knows that Jesus is alive?
Let everyone who reads this say a quick prayer for our President and our country and that God make Himself known to both!



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Mary

posted August 22, 2010 at 6:31 pm


This was 2 years ago….It’s one thing to say it, but it’s another thing to live it. I don’t see any evidence that he lives it, and that is what America also sees. I think he’s wishy washy, moving in whatever direction the wind moves. He is whatever he has to be to get what he wants. There is no loyalty. Look how fast he threw Wright under the bus.



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Dave

posted August 22, 2010 at 7:02 pm


I believe that our president is a Christian in name only and then only when it is politically expedient for him. His admiration and following of the teachings of Sol Alinsky, author of “Rules for Radicals”, a book which is dedicated to Satan, should be a clue for any doubter. Obama is definitely not a Muslim or he would be seen praying five times a day. As Glenn Beck has stated, he embraces black liberation theology and collective salvation. His association
with Jeremiah Wright for twenty years and his current spiritual advisors are all you need look at to know that Obama is not the kind of Christian that George Washington was. His associations with and appointments of Marxists, Communists, and other radicals to high positions in our government reinforce my beliefs. Looking back at the interview, Obama was asked to define sin. He totally misunderstands what sin is and how it is defined and by whom. It is God who has determined that, not left it up to us individually. I believe that America has Obama (a wicked leader) because we have been a wicked people and that is what we deserve. As we go bankrupt and become the Obama Nation of Desolation we are only getting our just reward!



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Lloyd

posted August 22, 2010 at 7:38 pm


When Obama is asked what is sin? he replies: Being out of alignment with my values.
His values are perfect and free of sin. And when he is out of alignment with his (Obama’s) values he is sinning. Presumably anyone else who is ‘who is out of alignment’ with Obama’s values is also sinning.
In other words it is Obama’s way or else you are the equivalent of a sinner.
Not only is Obama wrong about what is sin but he is conceited to the point of he knows better than anyone else-including god.



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Lloyd

posted August 22, 2010 at 7:52 pm


To add to my previous post-Could this be why Obama believes that what he is doing is right even though the great majority of Americans in poll after poll think otherwise? Healthcare? The Arizona law? That the stimulus plan is working/worked?
Agreeing with Pelosi-you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it!
Obama’s Liberal progressive socialist team all believe that they know what is best for people and they will go to no end to pass their agenda no matter who or what the opposition says. And they do not even debate the issues-they demonize any opponents.
If you disagree with Obama you are a sinner…



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Your Name Vicki Peck

posted August 22, 2010 at 10:53 pm


I find it very sad that our President is not born again. So many questions asked and answers given show he clearly does not know Jesus as his personal savior. When he was asked, What do you believe? He never answered the ? What he said was that he was a christian. The ? was not what religion do you believe in, but what does Obama believe? If I were asked what do I believe in, it would give me great pleasure to share the gospel, and why i believe it. My faith is not based on any church or organized religion but that Jesus is God in human flesh. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of the whole world. He rose again on the third day and sits at the right hand of God the Father, and one day he will return to earth for the believers.



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Nifer

posted August 23, 2010 at 12:08 am


Notice every time he is asked about his faith he comes back to a narcissistic veiwpoint. When asked about prayer he calls it an
internal monologue, an ongoing conversation with himself, not God. He aligns himself to his faith and his morals, and feels most spiritually centered when he is being true to himself, heaven is being true to himself, sinning is being out of alignment with his values, not the values of a higher power.



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Joe

posted August 23, 2010 at 12:53 am


If you are a true Cristian, you would ”never” say there are many paths to heaven. There is only one path to heaven; and that is through belief, that Jesus is the Christ; and Lord and Saviour of your life, and believe in your heart, that God the Father raised him from the dead. Especially, if you say you are a Christian. End of story!



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Yo

posted August 23, 2010 at 12:54 am


Whoa.
I think I just had religious certainty moment…
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Joe

posted August 23, 2010 at 12:57 am


Sounds like the spirit of Anti Christ to me. Get ready!!!



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Jeanine

posted August 23, 2010 at 9:10 am


Obama is certainly NOT a Christian. I believe in God, but I’m not so sure that Jesus was the Son of God. I believe he existed and was a great teacher, but I’m not sure about the rest. So I would NEVER call myself a Christian because I know that to be a Christian I must believe that Jesus is Son of God and that he is my personal Savior and the only way to to the Father is through the Son. Apparently Obama never got that message.
Per usual, Obama wants to have things his own way and make up the rules as he goes along. To him, the New Testament is the same as the Constitution–it restricts him and he doesn’t like to be restricted. He’s a “buffet believer”. He believes whatever is easiest for him to live with. He is trying to convince the conservative Christians that he is a Christian, while telling the liberals, he’s a “special, cool kind of Christian.” What a smuck.



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Ralph E

posted August 23, 2010 at 10:28 am


I cannot be certain exactly what Obama’s religion is, but it is clear he is not a Christian. He sounds more like a confused agnostic. He believes in a “collective salvation.” It’s closer to Marxist utopian philosophy than Christian salvation. His admiration of Jeremiah Wright’s Black Liberation Theology is revealing of where is heart lies.



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Karen

posted August 23, 2010 at 11:02 am


It doesn’t sound like he has read the bible at all. Most of the comments he makes are stereotypical of what people think Christians believe and not biblical. Isn’t the beauty of being a born again Christian, the assurance of heaven? If you accept Jesus and believe he died for your sins (determined by what God calls sin, not feeling true to yourself)you will be saved. I’m pretty sure all ethnic groups have to be saved just the same way (the only way) any of us do. There is not a separate gospel. I don’t think Obama is a Muslim any more that I buy that he is a Christian. Mish mash, wishy washy doesn’t get it and unless he really does have an epiphany and a revelation of the Lord Jesus…..



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BaBooma Wacktani

posted August 23, 2010 at 11:32 am


I do not know what to think. The following youtube video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYWAoSgS0w portrays Obama as a marxist. I wonder what beliefs Cathleen Falsani holds and why did she wait years to air her ostensible interview.



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Jeff

posted August 23, 2010 at 11:43 am


Ok, let me try to understand this. He uses his own values as the p-iller for which he judges his sin nature. Well, by definition then, I guess his values can then solve all our problems. Christ believing christains think that would be a job only Jesus can do. He must have missed this in his countless hours of reading the Buble.



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colleen

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:00 pm


I agree that he is speaking in the spirit of the anti-christ. His statements are self worshiping, he is looking to himself as the end-all and be-all, that is not a true christian. We are as christians believers, in Jesus as the be-all and end-all, without him we have nothing, HE IS THE SON OF GOD, and all will know that one day.



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Nancy

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:30 pm


Well,a very interesting interview. Obama definitely has Muslim influence in his life. I’m surprised to hear he thought his mother was a Christian. She was influenced by Marxism right out of high school and was attracted to marrying two Muslim men,plus her parents were socialists/communists. His mentor, Frank Marshall Dacis, was a Communist. He went into college saying he intentionally chose radical people and Marxist professors to associate with. His Black Liberation Theology Church (correc me if I’m wrong) believes in a Black Jesus! What “Bible” are they reading from?? He doesn’t understand that the Bible does not teach “burning in hell for eternity”!The correct name is the “Lake of Fire”and those who do not appreciate God for who He really is – The Creator- would not want to spend eternity with Him ! So they are put out of their misery. Death is instant, not ongoing! Dante’s inferno is fiction – not reality!
His current actions indicate he is Pro Islam in many ways. Did he not say at one time, if things got bad, he would side with the Muslims??
As a real Christian, no denomination – I belong to the Church that Christ said he would build. It’s a spiritual church not a physical building with a cross on top. It could be that only 1/5 of the world’s population really know the TRUTH! Remember narrow is the path to Life but wide is the road to destruction!
We need to pray that Obama will someday learn the TRUTH = which is CHRIST!



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Joel

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:40 pm


You should all re-read your Bibles. These statements challenging the president’s religion are equally unfounded, Biblically speaking. You’rehashing your favorite preacher’s spin; that’s all. I don’t think the president is entirely correct, but if that’s the standard of Christianity, then there are no Christians.



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Nancy

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:41 pm


Correction! Frank Marshall’s last name is Davis! Sorry for spelling error!



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Blue Collar Todd

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:50 pm


Obama has an incoherent view of what it means to be a Christian. To say that sin is a violation of one’s own personal values is statement by someone who does not understand what it means to be a Christian.
http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2010/08/obamas-view-of-christianity-is.html
Remember that Obama came to “faith” in the church of Jeremiah Wright.



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John C. Sebolt

posted August 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm


“If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it,people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they” Mr. Obama, you obviously have not read God’s word. That IS all there is to it. God says “that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shalt be saved” Romans 10:9. Obama is an intelligent man so why can he not understand this scripture? ” What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can,that I will be rewarded” God says”for by grace are ye saved through faith;and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God: Not of works,lest any man should boast.”Eph 2:8-9 Mr. Obama there are alot of “good” people in hell because they rejected Jesus Christ as their savior. This interview was a joke. I am not in ant position to judge another man but it seems as though Mr. Obama does not know how to be saved when it is so very clear on how to be. I dont know what he has learned in church but it seems like he didnt listen to the part about Jesus shedding his blood for us. I dont believe that Mr. Obama is a Christian in the least. Im not sure what this guy believes spiritually. I do know that he is destroying America a little bit at a time and NO Christian would ever attempt this.



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Rob

posted August 23, 2010 at 4:23 pm


He believes that heaven is in this world. That is the belief of Satanists.



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Don

posted August 23, 2010 at 4:50 pm


I do read my Bible and don’t have a clue what you mean. I am not putting Obama down but God does give me the right to judge him (we are called to judge a persons fruit). I believe his sincerity as far as wanting to help people and doing good things. I also don’t believe he understands the true meaning of being a Christian. I don’t claim to know it all or even get it right most of the time but I do have a grasp on what Christianity is. Mr Obama has combined several religions to come up with his own. The fact that he is a position of such power concerns me. I disagree with his policies on a spiritual level as well as a earthly level. Our countries sucess is directly related to our Christianity and we need to get back to that. God bless!



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Carlton

posted August 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm


Sad, sad, sad. No further from Truth could anyone be than one that is so self-deceived. I’m not not sure he is self-deceived or trying to deceive. One thing is sure, Christ is not his lord, savior nor master. If it is not Christ, then it is the devil. This man needs our prayers that, Lord willing, he comes to Grace, by Faith in Christ alone. If that is not the Lord’s Will, then prayers are in order that he not wreck our nation further. This is true of any leader in our nation. Since he is not of Christ, he should stop using the name of Christ (Christianity, Christian, Christ) and stop blaspheming Christ. God will save him if he is of the Elect; God will break him into a billion pieces and rebuild him with a heart of flesh… if he is of the Elect. If not – that is sad for everyone’s sake.



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john fish

posted August 23, 2010 at 9:58 pm


he went to a black liberation theolgy church that is antisemitic and hates whites and calls for white genocide i mean how blind does a person hav to be to see he trys to be everything to every one and in the process has no foundation in his faith rev wright and luis farakhan have trained there pet obama well and yes i believe obama is a closet muslim he is mixing the holy with the unholy so he snubs christianity every he goes but bows to a saudi king like a 3 year old i am a amrican i bow to no man how many americans died to give me that right and obama butt kissing and sorry tour has only emboldens our enemy he will cause more wars than we can imagine he will throw israel under the bus just like his white granny to bad people are blind to this man he says one thing and does another the next day sometimes he went to hate whitey church and that church is no better than a white kkk church racism is racism and obama got a brainfull of white hate in him he is destroying our country and every one but the tea party are clapping they need to get off the obama koolaid dripline its making people braindead



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Joe Peldoni

posted August 23, 2010 at 10:40 pm


For all the reasons mentioned above by the commenters, Obama is clearly not Christian! What he is I don’t know. I think that whatever he believes is what is convenient for him at the time. The entire interview was him hedging. He doesn’t make any clear statements about his Christian belief and his salvation.
Now I’m no expert, but I am saved. If someone were to ask me who Jesus is to me I would reply, without hesitation, that Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I would say that He is God incarnate. I would say that Jesus died for me, covered my sin with His precious blood.
Obama relegates Jesus to the status of an “historical figure”, a “bridge between God and man in the Christian faith”, the “means of us reaching something higher.” Then he caps it off by saying that Jesus is “also a wonderful teacher” and that it’s important for everyone “to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.”



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lila

posted August 23, 2010 at 11:08 pm


Obama believes there are many paths to the same place. Jesus said,”I am the way, the truth and the life, and the only way to the Father is through me.” I guess that says it all. All his answers are convoluted. In this interview he sounds like a little confused child, like he doesn’t know exactly what he believes and throws everything he has ever heard out there. In this “religious” interview, when asked who is his role model spiritually, he says Ghandi, “who risked everything?” What about his own savior? Did he not give his life? We should all pray for our president that he has a come to Jesus moment, and gets on his knees, or our Lord puts someone in his place that can stand up for America. We all need to get on our knees and then go out and vote responsibly. Our country depends on it.



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Waler (the former liberal)

posted August 24, 2010 at 1:52 am


Wait…his “alter call” moment was so powerful but he can’t even remember the year? “16 or 17 years ago”? “1987 or 88″?
Really?



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Tommy Spaghetti

posted August 24, 2010 at 9:25 am


A career politician who was trying to get elected to the Congress would say things exactly as they were said – as bland as manilla envelopes. No aspiring congressman could say they’re Muslim, nor can they attach themselves to “isms” like socialism and communism. The fact that these things are not said does not mean they aren’t true. Strange to me that he lived in these places where strict Islam is practiced, but somehow not in his household. We know the tree by the fruit that it bears. He is at the very least an Islamic sympathizer and apologist. If he is not a communist he obviously has socialist inclinations. How a person of his associations could be vetted for the presidency is beyond belief and serves as an indictment of the entire federal government. His presidency, and the actions of the current congress have done what may be irreparable damage to this country. God save the U.S.A.



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Fred P. Debrecen

posted August 24, 2010 at 10:34 am


We here at The Institute For Free Speech cannot understand why Americans have outlawed, negated, rescinded the TRINITY DECISION handed down by the AMERICAN SUPREME COURT in 1892 after studying for TEN YEARS every document, related and recorded, regarding the founding of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which stated in just a few words what a 10,000-word document detailed. Namely, “These are a religious people. This is a Christian nation.”
Why, oh why, are you afraid to beat the drum? And loudly?
Further, there is not one word in the Establishment Clause that dictates the Separation of Church and State. You have allowed subverters to undermine (destroy?) your very heritage. May GOD forgive you your inequities and your iniquities.
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Doris Carman

posted August 24, 2010 at 10:59 am


I do not believe Obama is a christian for most of the reasons given before me. However I think he professes to be one because he is aware that we are a religious country.Any professional psychologist will tell you that a persons formed by the time he is 5 years old.If he was in Indonesia after that he was already what he was going to be and that was not christian.I believe there are wonderful muslims in the world but that does not mean I want to live their way. Anyone who does should move to their neighborhood.Obama does not say a single thing about being blessed in his life due to christianity.Not one single thing. As usual hes all talk.His policies are killing us.



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MoJo1760

posted August 24, 2010 at 1:16 pm


He claimed in his very first answer that he was Christian – and in his supporting argument alluded to being a bhuddist, amuslim and a Jew as well! It’s simple – this is a career polititian who is trying to give the appearance of being all t