Steven Waldman

Steven Waldman


Santorum: Obama’s Faith Is “Phony”

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I heard a rather striking talk from Rick Santorum, the former Republican senator from Pennsylvania, who was addressing a gathering of foreign journalists under the auspices of the Oxford Center for Religion and Public Life.
Santorum, known for overtly connecting his fath to his politics, said the Democrats’ current efforts to be more faith-friendly are “a charade… I dont think it’s sincere at all.” Obama’s efforts to talk about the importance of faith in his life is “phoney–absolutely disingenuous. I think he’s a complete phoney.”
Obama, Santorum argued, chose Trinity Church in Chcago because it was politically advantageous — “faith was an avenue for power.”
(At the end of the attack, he added that of course it would be inappropriate for him to judge the authenticity of Obama’s faith, as only God could do that.)
It’s interesting: when Republicans talk about their faith, they’re accused of being theocrats who want to shove religion down other people’s throats. When Democrats do it, they’re accused of being phoney.
After he’d accused Obama and other Democrats of religoius fraudulance for a few minutes, journalist Terry Mattingly of GetReligion.org asked whether it’s possible that rather than being fake, perhaps,Obama was sincerely reflecting a form of liberal Christianity in the tradition of Reinhold Neibuhr. Santorum surprised me by answering that yes, “I could buy that.”
However, he questioned whether liberal christianity was really, well, Christian. “You’re a liberal something, but your not a Christian.” He continued, “When you take a salvation story and turn it into a liberation story you’ve abandoned Christiandom and I don’t think you have a right to claim it.”
In other words, Obama’s faith is fraudulant in part because liberal Christinaity is.
I’ve come across this sentiment before. To a degree rarely discussed, many conservative Christians truly doubt both the theological truth and the spiritual authenticity of liberal Christians.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted August 1, 2008 at 5:12 pm


Steven Waldman,
This is a very interesting entry. I understand what Santorum is driving at. However, in your last two paragraphs, you leapt to several sweeping conclusions that I’m not even sure Santorum would agree with, namely:
“In other words, Obama’s faith is fraudulant in part because liberal Christinaity is. … I’ve come across this sentiment before. To a degree rarely discussed, many conservative Christians truly doubt both the theological truth and the spiritual authenticity of liberal Christians.”
Truth be told, I’m not sure what is meant by “liberal Christianity” (and, to get to specific cases, I’m not all that familiar with the views of Reinhold Niebuhr).
However, I think a lot of little-o orthodox believers will agree that:
(1) Obama may very well have been using TUCC to obtain “stret cred” and useful community connections.
(2) The “liberation theology” which undergirds the “Afro-centric approach” of TUCC fitted neatly with the secular goals of the young and “politically progressive” community organizer who arrived in Chicago in 1984 or 1985 from Columbia University.
(3) The theology embraced by Wright, Obama, perhaps Fr. Pfleger, is a perversion of authentic Christianity and is, therefore, as Santorum described it, “a charade.”
However, I don’t accept your generalization that “when Democrats do it [talk about faith], they’re accused of being phoney.”
That would not be true for Joseph Lieberman (Jewish), or for the late Paul Tsongas (Greek Orthodox), or for the late Eugene McCarthy (Roman Catholic), or for Jimmy Carter (Southern Baptist), or for Ray Flynn (Roman Catholic), or for Barbara Jordan (Baptist). Martin Sheen is not a politician, but he’s a liberal activist (besides being an actor) and another example of someone who’s faith (Roman Catholic) is beyond doubt. The same for the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (Baptist).
Spotting a phoney involves intuition and “gut feeling.” For the politicians and activists mentioned above, most voters sense that their faith is authentic and integral to whom they are as people.
The same, however, can not be said for other Democrats including, perhaps, Obama.



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jestrfyl

posted August 1, 2008 at 7:57 pm


Therein lies one of the differences. The Liberal Church ill open the door to everyone, including conservatives. The Conservative Church will open the door only tho those who will accept their uniform theology, and allow for little variation. I guess the liberals are working from Jesus’ a[[roach to let everyone in, including Pharisees. The Conservatives have the historical precedent, as was found in the Temple, the Vatican, and other restrictive institutions.
On any given day, I think it is wiser to side with Jesus.



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jaybird

posted August 1, 2008 at 9:44 pm


Senator Frothy Mixture strikes again.
Unsurprising.



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Rob

posted August 1, 2008 at 11:46 pm


The sad thing about Senator Santorum’s faith is, he’s actually sincere about it.



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canucklehead

posted August 2, 2008 at 12:29 am


if Santorum had an ounce of integrity or credibility, that is – if his own faith wasn’t a charade on parade, he would also have added “and since what I’ve just done is inappropriate, for the duration of the campaign I will take a vow of silence”



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 12:58 am


Reaganite, do you suppose Sanitorium put Jesus in a nice suit before he took him out to whore for the GOP?



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 1:19 am


I wonder…has Sanitorium ever reimbursed the taxpayers of the Penn Hills School district for the money they had to pay out in tuition for his kids while he was living in Virginia?

In November 2004, a controversy developed over education costs for Santorum’s children. Santorum’s legal address is a three-bedroom house in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Pittsburgh, which he purchased for $87,800 in 1997 and is located next to Mrs Santorum’s parents But since 2001, he has lived in Leesburg, Virginia, a town about one hour’s drive west of Washington, D.C., and about 90 minutes’ drive south of the Pennsylvania border, in a house he purchased for $643,000. The Penn Hills Progress, a local paper, reported that Santorum and his wife paid about $2,000 per year in property taxes on their Pennsylvania home ($487.20 per year to Allegheny County, 2006 through 2008, based on a 2007 value of $106,000 [81], plus Penn Hills School District tax). The paper also found that another couple — possibly renters — were registered voters at the same address.[82]
At the time the issue arose, Santorum’s five older children attended the Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School, with 80 percent of tuition costs paid by the Penn Hills School District.[83] At a meeting in November 2004, the Penn Hills School District announced that it did not believe Santorum met the qualifications for residency status, because he and his family spent most of the year in Virginia. They demanded repayment of tuition costs totaling $67,000.
When news reports showed Sen. Santorum was renting his Penn Hills home relatives a three-bedroom Penn Hills house, Santorum withdrew his five children from the cyber education program that Penn Hills School District paid for. That saved Penn Hills taxpayers about $38,000 a year [84]. Although Santorum said he would make other arrangements for his children’s education, he insisted that he did not owe the school board any back tuition. Once the controversy surfaced, the children were withdrawn from the cyber school and were then home schooled .
On July 8, 2005, a Pennsylvania state hearing officer had ruled that the Penn Hills School District had not filed objections to Santorum’s residency in a timely manner and dismissed the complaint. Santorum hailed the ruling as a victory against what he termed “baseless and politically motivated charges”. Santorum told reporters that “[n]o one’s children — and especially not small, school-age children — should be used as pawns in the ‘politics of personal destruction.’” In the 2006 senate campaign, the polictics at that time allowed for Santorum’s campaign to portray the Santorum family having two homes a family values-based issue, and ran television commercials with Santorum’s son saying “My dad’s opponents have criticized him for moving us to Washington so we could be with him more.”
In September 2006, the Pennsylvania Department of Education agreed to pay the district $55,000 to settle the dispute over money withheld from the district to pay for the children of U.S. Senator Rick Santorum to attend a cyber charter school.”
Nice racket…he rents out his home in Pennsylvania, moves to Virginia, and then has his kids’ tuition for distance learning while living in Virginia paid for my the folks in the Penn Hills district.
And this man is fit to judge someone else’s religious faith?



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 1:22 am


Is this the same Senator Sanitorium who was found to be among the top three most corrupt members of the US Senate in 2006?
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/19007



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 1:40 am


Maybe Senator Sanitorium needs to take care of his own house first before throwing stones at others’?
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11174
“The Prospect decided to heed Santorum’s advice by taking “an honest look at the family budget” — his family budget. What we found is that Santorum’s exurban lifestyle is financed in ways that aren’t available to the average voter back home in Pennsylvania — namely a political action committee that lists payments for such unorthodox items as dozens of trips to the Starbucks in Leesburg, a number of stops at fast-food joints, and purchases at Target, Wal-Mart, and a Giant supermarket in northern Virginia. Although a Santorum aide defends those charges as legitimate political costs, good-government experts say the expenditures are at best unconventional, and at worst a possible violation of Senate rules, and the purchases appear to be unorthodox when compared with other senators’ filings. Santorum’s PAC — a “leadership PAC,” whose purpose is to dispense money to other Republican candidates — used just 18.1 percent of its money to that end over a recent five-year period, a lower number than other leadership PACs of top senators from both parties.”
Rather strange for a man who sets himself up as the judge of another’s faith to have such lapses in his own judgment, don’t you think? But then Senator Sanitorium knows what the Bible says regarding judging.
Matthew 7:1-5
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
The good Senator obviously is inviting us to use the same kind of scrutiny in examining his walk with Jesus that he uses in judging Obama’s walk.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted August 2, 2008 at 6:22 am


May I address this to “ds040″ ?
Why do you hate Rick Santorum to the degree that you would post one diatribe after another against this man?
I wonder, too, about the motives of “jaybird,” “canucklehead” and “rob” in venting your spleens against Santorum.
I feel sorry for you folks.



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 8:06 am


“Why do you hate Rick Santorum to the degree that you would post one diatribe after another against this man?”
Isn’t that what Christian politics has become these days, Reaganite? I mean, look at Dreher’s blog. Unsubstantiated rumors about John Edwards “alleged affair” and oblique references to Obama’s religious faith have become standard fare over there. And then there is McGinty, who has decided to parrot that ignorant GOP fluffer Michele Malkin.
Thus is the direction Beliefnet has taken since being bought out by Rupert “Temptation Island” Murdoch. Beliefnet has become a 24/7 outlet for Obama bashing.
Rick Sanitorium, like so many conservative Christians, has chosen to judge the religious faith (or lack thereof) of other people. He has placed himself in a position of moral authority over those he judges.
If you are going to do that, you had best not have any faults of your own that can come to the surface. Sanitorium clearly has questionable ethics of his own to worry about.
But of course he also has drooling apologists who turn a blind eye to his inequity but are quite willing to harp on the perceived wrongs others commit.
This is the Christianity you represent, Reaganite. Judgmental, hypocritical, and completely sold out to the GOP. What is it about the GOP that made you decide to sell out Jesus for some tax breaks?



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 8:09 am


“I feel sorry for you folks.”
Actually, Reaganite, folks like you are the ones who deserve the pity. If half of that Bible is true, Jesus is sending your a$$ to hell for making him streetwalk for the GOP.



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ds0490

posted August 2, 2008 at 8:30 am


By the way, Reaganite…which Sanitorium should we believe? The one who criticizes the religious faith of Obama, or the one who said this earlier this year?
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Santorum:_McCain_Presiden/2008/01/14/64277.html

Santorum: McCain Presidency Very Dangerous
Monday, January 14, 2008 4:48 PM
By: Newmax Staff
Former Senator and leading conservative Rick Santorum says a John McCain presidency would be “very, very dangerous for Republicans.”
Santorum — who was defeated in 2006 after two terms as a U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania — was sharply critical of fellow Republican McCain in an interview that aired last week on syndicated talk radio host Mark Levin’s show.
Responding to Levin’s observation that McCain is trying to recast himself as more conservative now that he is seeking the GOP presidential nomination, Santorum said:
“It’s amazing to hear what John McCain is trying to convince the voters he is all about. The bottom line is, I served 12 years with him, six years in the Senate as one of the leaders of the Senate, trying to put together the conservative agenda, and almost at every turn, on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.”
Santorum cited the campaign finance reform bill sponsored by McCain, the McCain-Feingold Act, which limits campaign contributions and has been called by some an “incumbent protection act.”
Santorum called the act “an affront to personal freedom and liberty in this country, and what we’ve seen as a result of this misguided attempt to placate the New York Times and to help his stature within that community … is that special interests have absolutely taken over the political process, and individual candidates, unless you’re a billionaire, and parties have very little voice in the process.
“It’s a shame, but he was obviously out front on that.”
The former Senator also criticized McCain for voting against the Bush Tax cuts — he was one of only two Republicans to do so.
“The reduction in [tax] rates and lowering the rates on capital gains and dividends … did so much to get this economy up and going. [But] we would have had a much bigger tax cut if it were not for John McCain.”

Now, set aside for a moment that only someone who is completely brain dead would think that our economy is “up and going” thanks to the economic policies of the last eight years. Should we trust Sanitorium when he says that a McCain presidency would be detrimental to our nation?



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Reaganite in NYC

posted August 2, 2008 at 8:58 am


ds0490: Let me ask you the same simple question I asked earlier. It shouldn’t be that hard to answer:
“Why do you hate Rick Santorum to the degree that you would post one diatribe after another against this man?”
Why? What has he done to you personally?



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Noodle Beach

posted August 2, 2008 at 11:43 am


Reaganite is right. The posts on this blog are way more vicious than anything Mr. Santorum said. They remind me of writings I see on bathroom walls.
As for Beliefnet becoming a place for Obama-bashing I disagree. There are certainly critical words for Mr. Obama, but if any group is bashed on Beliefnet it is “the Christian Right.” Just look at some of the posts above. The “Christian Right” has become a pejorative, its poster children are Jerry, James and Pat. These 3 have garnered a lot of attention for their judgemental words and their interpretation of Scripture as it relates to politics.
But JJ&P do not speak for me (a conservative Christian) and they don’t speak for many others as well. Its very easy to take the extreme things said by these 3 and paste them like a label on all conservative religious people



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ds0490

posted August 3, 2008 at 12:00 am


“As for Beliefnet becoming a place for Obama-bashing I disagree. There are certainly critical words for Mr. Obama, but if any group is bashed on Beliefnet it is “the Christian Right.” Just look at some of the posts above. The “Christian Right” has become a pejorative, its poster children are Jerry, James and Pat. These 3 have garnered a lot of attention for their judgemental words and their interpretation of Scripture as it relates to politics.”
Bull! Take a look at the headline bloggers under the “Politics and News” section of Beliefnet’s front page. We have:
Rod Dreher – Crunchy Con – Conservative
Steve Waldman – Editor in Chief – Conservative
Michele McGinty – Reformed Chick Blabbing – Conservative
David Kuo, a moderate, was recently moved from this section.
Jim Wallis will be leaving this section soon.
That leaves Progressive Revival, and soon it will be the only non-conservative blog in this particular section.
Now…go back for the past three months and look at Dreher and McGinty. Dreher has been harping almost non-stop on Obama ever since he started taking a lead over Clinton. And McGinty…well, she simply has sold a half interest in her blog space to Michelle Malkin’s Hotair blog. Both of these bloggers run non-stop Obama bashing.
So please can the lies about Beliefnet not being hot to trot on bashing Obama. The place is doing Murdoch’s bidding, doing character assassination for their boy McCain.
I just have to wonder if Obama’s character is the only thing that will be assassinated this campaign season.



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ds0490

posted August 3, 2008 at 12:04 am


Reaganite asks: “Why do you hate Rick Santorum to the degree that you would post one diatribe after another against this man? Why? What has he done to you personally?”
Hate? No, I don’t hate Sanitorium. Not at all. I love the man, and wish nothing but a long and happy life for him, and continued success in the private sector. However, I hate the actions of the man as a member of Congress.
You know, love the sinner, hate the sin.



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pagansister

posted August 4, 2008 at 4:12 pm


And Santorum is an expert on the degrees of Christianity why? Why would anyone worry about what he has to say?



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blah

posted August 4, 2008 at 7:30 pm


ds0490 is too generous.
I’ll come right out and say it: I, personally, hate Rick Santorum with the flaming force of a thousand suns. If he was drowning, I wouldn’t throw him a line. If he was being eaten alive by cannibals, I’d toss them some ketchup.
He is a blight on the political landscape, and a horrible human being – everything he says is tainted by a pathetic understanding of the bible as read through the lens of the Project for the New American Century and therefore should be ignored.
Hell is too good for people like Santorum.



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canucklehead

posted August 4, 2008 at 11:20 pm


since when has listing facts – ugly and uncomfortable as they may be – become tantamount to hatred? HELLO??



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Anonymous

posted August 6, 2008 at 4:49 pm


“Santorum, known for overtly connecting his fath [sic] to his politics …”
Actually, Mr. Santorum is much more widely known for his “loving” comparison of committed gay relationships to “man-on-dog sex”.
And you think he has a modicum of believability?
Ah well, better to have a man like Santorum think Obama’s faith “phony” than to have a nonsensical/assholish ‘faith’ like Santorum’s.



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted August 6, 2008 at 4:58 pm


Use your noodle, Beach.
“The posts on this blog are way more vicious than anything Mr. Santorum said.”
Wrong. ds0490 has simply posted (copied & pasted) actual articles describing Mr. Santorum’s behaviour. It is his behaviour that is “vicious”, not the revealing of said behaviour.



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recovering ex-Pentecostal

posted August 6, 2008 at 5:17 pm


“”Why do you hate Rick Santorum to the degree that you would post one diatribe after another against this man?”
Why? What has he done to you personally?
He has personally borne false witness against me. Hateful man.
“As for Beliefnet becoming a place for Obama-bashing I disagree.”
You are entitled to disagree, but you are – DEMONSTRABLY wrong.
“The “Christian Right” has become a pejorative, its poster children are Jerry, James and Pat.”
Then you just might want to place the blame squarely where it belongs – on those “poster children”. They are the cause of much of what has gone wrong with the so-called, self-described “Christian” right. It is clearly their fault that the term itself has become a pejorative.
“These 3 have garnered a lot of attention for their judgemental words and their interpretation of Scripture as it relates to politics.”
Bingo! So you do understand why the negative reactions then?
“But JJ&P do not speak for me (a conservative Christian) and they don’t speak for many others as well.”
But they say they do speak for you. It’s up to you to either prove them wrong or shut them up. They aren’t doing you any favours.
“Its very easy to take the extreme things said by these 3 and paste them like a label on all conservative religious people.”
Thanks for at least admitting what they say is extreme. Not sure why you are suprised when people react to their extremes. (Equally not sure why Mr. Waldman lends him/them any credence.) Be that as it may, they presume to speak for the “Christian” and the conservative “right”. And the likes of Waldman use them (you should pardon the expression) ‘religiously’ as their source. Often, and without question. So, we, otoh, question, and you just hate the fact that we do question their ‘authority’.



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Brian Griffith

posted August 7, 2008 at 9:38 am


Santorum feels it’s unfaithful to see a liberation story in the Bible? What’s the book of Exodus? Jesus never said he came to set captives free?
I’d like to see Santorum try preaching in any Black church, and try to convince the congregation that the Bible is not a story of liberation.



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JD6

posted August 9, 2008 at 12:42 pm


I hope Obama is not a hypocrite (Christian). We don’t need another bible thumper in the White House.



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The Judge

posted August 9, 2008 at 1:02 pm


The ignorance of Rick Santorum is breathtaking.



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Bob Scott

posted August 9, 2008 at 5:56 pm


As a registered Republican for 54 years (first vote was for Dwight D. Eisenhower ’52 – straight ticket of course) and having spent the past 50 years not only as an active member of the Republican Party in Arkansas but serving as Chairman of both the Benton County Republican Party and the Pulaski County Republican Party (Arkansas’ largest County) as well as many other positions of responsibility, I cannot find the words to adequately describe my embarrassment these past 8 years and my contempt for members of My Party like Rick Santorum and I have voiced my utter contempt by voting my very first straight Democratic ticket year before last and plan to repeat that aberration again in November. After the tsunami hits November 4th, hopefully we will be able to do a complete house cleaning from top to bottom within the Republican Party.



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Reborn_Bertie_Russell

posted August 10, 2008 at 9:40 am


Santorum’s words strike me as spitting right into Jesus’ face. Aren’t Santorum’s words and beliefs precisely what Jesus cautioned his followers against–judging others, reading others’ hearts?
Is it any wonder that people read about religious right-wingers and have contempt for every last one of them?



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Harry Coverston

posted August 10, 2008 at 3:22 pm


Mr. Santorum does not speak for Christianity nor does the Republican Party. He does have the right to speak for himself and his own beliefs. However, he does not have the right to have those ideas taken seriously simply because he utters them.
Mr. Santorum also tends to confuse Christianity with authoritarianism. That conflation is not terribly compelling to most human beings with a healthy sense of self and others.
Were I Mr. Santorum I would stick to speaking for what he actually knows about – his own beliefs and his political agenda. But, then Mr. Santorum has not demonstrated a lot of good sense politically or religiously for quite some time. There’s a reason the people of Pennsylvania dumped him.



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Dale B Sorry

posted August 12, 2008 at 2:43 pm


@ Bob Scott
You don’t have to vote for Barack Obama to protest Mccain. Just don’t vote at all. Not voting for lack of a satisfactory candidate is perfectly valid. It is simply a vote of “no confidence”. Don’t waste your time in November. Let the Dems have it.



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Barbara

posted September 8, 2008 at 2:32 pm


I find it amusing that many of the conservative “Christians” will have you believing (erroneously I might add), that Islam and Muslims’ ultimate goal is to take over the world by force and shove the religion down everyone’s throat. Yet many of the conservative Christians are doing JUST THAT, and say they are justified in doing so by protecting their religion. Jesus would probably not be too happy with the way they are behaving, because tolerance and “loving thy brother” were some of the things he espoused. Santorum and his ilk should be thrown back into the Crusades where they belong.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Heard of that Rick ole boy?



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T

posted October 9, 2008 at 10:15 pm


In response to Barbara,
Let me begin by saying, all of what you said is misinformed. I’ll start with Islam. Ascertainably, you have never read the Koran. Have you had done so, you would know that muslims are called to put all infidels under the sword of Islam. Infidels are defined, in the Koran’s terms, as anyone who does not willingly subscribe to their faith. Also, that it’s destiny is to put all the world under Islam. A moderate muslim would tell you that and also state they don’t prescribe to it. Radical Islam is the threat and also looks down upon their Moderate bretheren and sistren. (Observe radical Islam’s mistreatment of women and children) Next unenlightened statement you made, is that Christians are forcing their faith on people. Again, had you paid attention to anything but a liberal viewpoint, you would know that is quite impossible for any Christian to do. How so? Unfortunately for the Christian, they are the only religion in this country that has limitations on their Free Speech and Free Expression amendmants granted by the Constitution. A Christian cannot, as you know, go into any public place and express their faith w/o receiving some kind of hostility from people with an opposing viewpoint. Even to the point that action is taken against them. The same is also true in public schools. A bible, a mere book, is a threat to some and incites unstable emotions at the sight of it. Also to mention that speaking the name of Christ is subject to silencing the speaker. Now onto your misuse of a piece of scripture, “Judge not, lest ye be judge.” You also have shown your lack of knowledge in regards to Christianty also. Christ did a lot of judging and was perfectly accurate in doing so. That statement is subject to misintereptation when used, like that, because there is plenty more that is attached to it. That scripture also states, “Don’t judge the speck in your brother’s eye w/o first removing the plank in your own eye.” Now, we can ascertain that the true meaning is not so much focusing on “judgement” but hypocrisy. I can judge you, Barbara, as ill-informed and foolish because I take time to think before I talk and review my facts prior to speaking to make sure I am absorbing true fact and not someone’s ideology. If I did not, I would be guilty of hypocrisy and my judging your statements here would be wrong. Also, if how you spoke in terms of that scripture were true…We’d be in some trouble wouldn’t we? Christ would be guilty…not to mention I’d have to ask you, why would we need Judges and a legal system? If the context you use WAS accurate ; Wouldn’t we be in violation of that which Christ said? That concludes what I wanted to say and I will leave you, Barbara, with a passage from the book of Wisdom from the Old Testament. A man asked, “How can you look for wisdom in a person?” The reply he was given, “Merely listen to the words that come forth from their mouth and you will know if that person is either wise or a fool.”
To the other readers, I apologize for the lengthy post…I had much to cover.



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mbr47

posted October 17, 2008 at 11:51 am


Like “T”, Rick Santorum is a hypocrite with control issues.



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david thurman

posted October 26, 2008 at 6:30 pm


I always find it interesting when someone Jumps up, claims “Everyone else’s view is Wrong and my view is correct”. He goes on the claim that Mr. Obama’s Faith is fradulant without supporting how that might be. I suppose from his view it’s fradulant because it’s not like his. He has determined that His view is the measuring stick by which all other faith views are measured by and if it doesn’t measure up, it must be fradulant. Is this not a perfect example of being Self Deluded? Isn’t this ultimately the Cornerstone of the Religious Right? Isn’t the whold movement an agrandized, self deluded view of the world that allows no other view and or is not even capable of seeing another view without claiming any view but their own is false? Isn’t their push for Doctrinal purity from their followers as well as the republican party nothing more than a desire to control the view that they have? My question to them would be, “If they truly have Christ’s view, then why all of the anger, hatred, and bigotry? why the scare tactics to keep people in line, why the derogatory language when talking about other people? I simply want to know, how is this anything like Christ? It’s not for me to say that the Religous right is a collection of wacked out nut jobs who have created a cross denominational cult. Oh no, I would never say that nor even imply that. In fact, please ignore that last comment as if I didn’t say it. I will say, as a liberal Christian (who’s heading straight to hell from some people’s perspective), I know that God will sort it all out…..:D
I heard the Heaven’s give out a huge laugh the other day as I was giving thanks Thanks to God for sending Sarah Palin. I’m now praying that she will be the Future of the Republican party. I can’t imagine God being that Generous but one can only hope and pray.



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Sandra

posted November 9, 2008 at 4:06 pm


I hope Rick Santorum runs for president in 2012!!



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enki

posted December 4, 2008 at 7:10 am


lol. ‘santorum’



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Ricky Bobby

posted January 15, 2009 at 6:29 pm

Hooseierbrad

posted January 16, 2009 at 8:41 pm


How can any man judge the faith of another? You should have called Santorum on that! As a Roman Catholic, I am very disturbed by a lot of what Mr. Santorum ‘preaches’ about. He seems to be very selective in his theology, just like a lot of evangelicals of the far-right. Jesus is the potential Savior for all, not just a bunch of fundamentalists, who pick and choose their method of salvation, while ignoring social injustices around the world. Just remember, Jesus will judge us all, not intolerant jerks like Santorum.



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Brent Baum

posted February 13, 2009 at 11:47 am


This isn’t strange, anyone who is already elitist will of course think anything else they follow must be right.
I’ve known several pastors and supposed Christians who think the faith the follow is the only way to get to heaven.



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Dan Colgan

posted February 13, 2009 at 1:47 pm


I am beginning the fight to draft Rick Santorum to replace Arlen Specter in the U.S. Senate. Help – We need as much publicity to make this happen as we can get.



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mark

posted February 19, 2009 at 11:26 pm


Santorum (see moron) just today said that the Quran was written in Islamic.
So does that mean the bible was written in Christian?
How did anyone vote for this retard?
Now if you think hes surprised at his own mistake, wait till he sees zeitgeist and finds out that his christian religion was plagiarized from the Egyptians.



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posted February 20, 2009 at 10:01 pm


Mark, and all other liberals who are doing this same thing as you try to pass your comments off as somehow intelligent (in a condescending way because you’re so much smarter than any non-liberal). Why is it that misquotes and misstatements are a sure sign of stupidity when it’s from conservatives but you look the other way when Obama, (Mr. I can’t speak three words without a teleprompter because I’ll just keep stumbling about like a fool saying uh, uh, uh, uh,etc, or that he’s likely to say things backwards), or Joe (goofy) Biden (who’s shoe is ONLY OUT OF HIS MOUTH WHEN HIS MOUTH IS SHUT) who has to have the media edit his speeches and comments to even attempt to make him look like he’s professional, forget about making him appear intelligent.
Concerning the lies of your college professor and other liberals about “Christianity being plagiarized from the Egyptians”, I have a few questions for you. Why do you take your college (anti-Christian, and anti-American) professor at his word and accept liberal teachers and author’s comments and writings as if they are the “Gospel truth”, but won’t verify them, yet you preach them as “proving” Christianity false? Why is it that you’re so quick to dig into the , so-called, ancient “real history” of Christianity, but won’t even look into the recent history of Obama and see the overwhelming amount of lies, tricks, misleading and false content that is a concern to America’s survival? Why don’t you actually study and see for yourself what God has in his Word instead of repeating the attacks of liberals. Have you read the Bible or the New Testament for yourself? If not, then you can’t comment on who is or isn’t really a Christian (liberal, conservative or otherwise).



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posted March 1, 2009 at 3:45 pm


Richard: Your whole first paragraph is ad hom. You are attacking the man rather than the man’s argument. Try to keep on point.
Concerning your second paragraph, yes, I have read the Bible. Numerous times. Nothing can so efficiently destroy the belief in Christianity quite as well as reading the Bible in proper context. By proper context, I mean with a firm grasp on the knowledge and history of the periods encompassed within the Bible, knowledge of Hebrew (both the language, traditions and culture), Greek and Latin. After you take the time to learn that, spend another year or so researching the history of the Catholic Church. “But I am not Catholic!” Doesn’t matter, whatever Christian sect you identify with, it evolved out of Catholicism. After you have done all that, Research some more. Research Krishna and find out just how similar his story is to that of Jesus and yet he was hundreds of years before him. Research Horus, the Egyptian equivalent of Jesus that pre-dates him by over 2,000 years. Research Buddha, 500 years before Jesus, whose mythology is the same.
That is the problem with all you theists. I don’t care WHAT religion you are; Christian, Muslim, Jewish… You are all so divisive. Your religion serves only to separate man from one another rather than unify. Most of you NEVER research your so called beliefs. You simply carry on with what you have been indoctrinated with without EVER asking the question, “Why do I believe what I believe?”



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posted March 14, 2009 at 1:54 pm


David:
You say that Jesus was imitating other so called religious figures who preceded him. Which of those others walked on water, raised people (including himself) from the dead, or stopped the wind & waves with his command? I suggest you read Lee Stroebel’s books on Jesus, and Josh McDowell’s More Than a Carpenter, before you start bashing Jesus as a charlatan.



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