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Steven Waldman


What Jesse Jackson is Angry About

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Another interesting thing to me about Jesse Jackson wanting to “cut out” Barack Obama’s “nuts” is that the Obama comments that stimulated the outburst are common fare in black churches. The majority of the people sitting in the pews in black churches (well in most churches) are women, so the message that fathers should do more invariably receives a welcome reception. The worshippers in those pews are quite aware that family breakdown has been a major factor in the economic problems of inner city African Americans. The difference in approach between Jackson and Obama may reflect that, at this point in their careers, Obama is closer to gestalt of the black church than Jackson. A request to those of you who spend more time in black churches than I do: are the comments Obama made typical or unusual of what you might hear your preacher say?



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Alicia

posted July 10, 2008 at 9:40 am


Castration is historically associated with lynching. Shame on Jackson. He deserves no sympathy whatsoever.



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Charles Cosimano

posted July 10, 2008 at 11:17 am


Jackson’s comments have nothing to do with the hyperbolic rhetoric of black churches. He is simply jealous that another black man has done something that he could not.
Either that or he figures that by giving Obama a chance to look good in comparison to him it will help Obama get the white votes he needs.



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Paul

posted July 10, 2008 at 5:51 pm


I’ve heard Obama statements in every church I’ve been in at some time, Black, white, Asian or mixed. Poor parenting by men is a world wide problem.



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Buford Gooch

posted July 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm


Doesn’t anybody else remember that two people are involved in making babies? Where’s the outrage at the women for condoning/allowing this behavior in men?



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Robert Morwell

posted July 10, 2008 at 9:50 pm


I had a unique perspective as a white man who pastored a black church for four years in the Midwest. I can say that many of my black colleagues DID denounce what they saw as the increasingly dangerous lack of parental responsibility and involement by African American men.
As for the women…I agree they should call the men to greater responsibility. But I heard a number of then speak with increasing despair and resignation when if came to any hope that the men in their lives would be anything by drive-by babymakers.
Tragically, African American women are increasingly writing off African American men as prospects for good fathers.



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Anonymous

posted July 10, 2008 at 9:54 pm


The first time I heard a sermon from the pulpit on this subject was Bishop Clarance Mc Clendon on the Ten Commandments…”Thou Shall Not Steal”. I will paraphrase here…but not much…he said that taking welfare maoney and not looking for a job is stealing. He then went on to say that making chidlren that you can not afford to feed and getting welfare is stealing! The churuch went upside down with screams praising God!
The simple fact is this: if you have no skills and don’t try you are stealing. When you do try and still get make it…the help is deserved. But when one party is not taking finanical responsibility for the child or children made the women is left with now means to support her children…which is not bibical, rightous or sane. Neither is making babies that you can not afford to feed. Within god there is free will…and it is not His fault that a woman doesn’t use common sense in making babies.
When you have 3 or 4 generations of absent fathers, which exists somewhere in a good number of black families you have to take a look at the willingness to take personal responsiblity is the answer. This is not at all a new issue for blacks, but what is new is that it the issue is FINALLY BEING CONFRONTED ON A NATIONAL SCALE…out in the open. It has been a closed door situation for too long! Absent fathers has been an accepted reality that has destroyed a race of people. Back in the day that was legitimate reason for black unemployment. But in the 21st century…the old school justification just doesn’t fly anymore. Now there are young people having babies unmarried, and fatherless children than ever before!
It should have always come from the pulpit…I only pray that there is a partnership between governement and churches on this issue as it largerly contributes to crime, education statistics and the overall ecomony and the betterment of this country!



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 8:17 am


==Doesn’t anybody else remember that two people are involved in making babies?==
Then, what’s all this talk about the women getting unilaterally to choose to abort the pregnancy where there is no medical reason to do so?
The current thinking is that the woman is responsible only to herself and not the unborn child; and the father is responsible to the unborn child and not to himself.
If he has nothing to say, then he has no responbilility. If he has responsibility, then he has some say-so. Which is it?



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 8:28 am


==Where’s the outrage at the women for condoning/allowing this behavior in men?==
Where’s the outrage at the women being immodest, seducing the men into relations whose consequences are unmanagable? Is it outta spite that they “surrender” to men?
In other words, why no outrage at the women for tempting the men with their butts hangin’ out and slinkin’ around in their “prostitute”-like dress, having come to the conclusion that this is what men want, or that this is the way to draw men in and make men suffer. Why no outrage at the women for appealing to men in the most base way possible, knowing that men are nearly powerless to resist the temptation?
While men must be responsible, it is the women of society, ultimately, who set the final rules on relations, and they do this by being modest.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 8:51 am


==Doesn’t anybody else remember that two people are involved in making babies? ==
WHEN are they involved, and WHEN did a given couple “make” a baby? Does responsibility begin, as Obamarama says, at conception for the father, but not for the mother? Or are both responsible?



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Alicia

posted July 11, 2008 at 10:19 am


Robert Morwell, you said:
“I heard a number of then speak with increasing despair and resignation when if came to any hope that the men in their lives would be anything by drive-by babymakers.
Tragically, African American women are increasingly writing off African American men as prospects for good fathers.”
This is a fair statement and may well be true. However, the solution might be not to have casual sex, but to decide to be more responsible about the possiblity of parenthood.



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Robert Morwell

posted July 11, 2008 at 12:31 pm


I am not condoning the thought process of women who simply settle for drive-by babymakers. I am simply reporting the fact.
I wish they wouldn;t settle, either. But the situation is so dire that amny women honestly don’t think they can have a child any other way, because the men have become so totally irresponsible in this regard.
That is precisely why the men need to be especially addressed and called to grow up and take responsibility. An awful lot of African American women are simply assuming any more that they will have to do the whole job of child rearing from the get-go, because them men will not help.
Sadly, they see the choice as this kind of arrangement, or childlessness.
Again, I am not saying I agree with this thinking, but I have seen it and understand the despair which promotes it. And Jesse Jackson would do well to address it rather than simply play the victim all the time.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm


==…men have become so totally irresponsible in this regard.==
It’s no wonder men don’t take it seriously, especially since women who claim to have the sole choice NOT to be responsible don’t take it seriously. It has come to the point that men are outta the loop after “the act” and the woman decides he’s in the loop with his having nothing to say about it. So, don’t blame only men for this condition.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 1:58 pm


==…the solution might be not to have casual sex, but to decide to be more responsible about the possiblity of parenthood.==
Gee, ya think?
That’s not exactly worthy of a news bulletin.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 11, 2008 at 2:01 pm


==…the solution might be not to have casual sex, but to decide to be more responsible about the possiblity of parenthood.==
When has this NOT been advised??? Haven’t parents, friends, school mates, teachers, billboards, teevee public service announements and other things been saying that for a very long time???



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Sam Jackson

posted July 12, 2008 at 12:10 am


You’re all right…
African American men are the problem because they go around fathering children without taking responsibility for them
African American Women are the problem because they go around with their butts hanging out and seducing their men.
Women in general are the problem because they want to control their bodies even when they are pregnant; I have seen pregnant women smoking and drinking…it is disgusting
Thank god for beliefnet where the virtuous few can hang out and chastise these wayward folk. It is a jungle out there.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 12, 2008 at 11:56 pm


==African American men are the problem because they go around fathering children without taking responsibility for them
African American Women are the problem because they go around with their butts hanging out and seducing their men.==
Women in general are the problem because they want to control their bodies even when they are pregnant…==
Today, so-called “liberated” women wanna take say-so from the men. However, men cannot have responsibility and not have responsibility at the same time.



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Anthony Glover

posted July 13, 2008 at 11:08 am


The break down of the family is neither male or female. As the saying goes, “It takes a village to raise a child.” By extension, the village sets the rules on how that child is to be raised.
A man can not father a child without the corporation of a woman. A woman can not become a mother without the corporation of a man. There are exceptions to this rule but generally speaking, the facts are as stated.
In most societies, even primitive ones, the village rule is commitment …marriage… first and then the baby. Not baby first and then commitment.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 13, 2008 at 1:21 pm


==A man can not father a child without the corporation of a woman. A woman can not become a mother without the corporation of a man. There are exceptions to this rule…==
What exceptions???
How does a woman go prego without the contribution of a man? Only men have the required seed.



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Anthony Glover

posted July 13, 2008 at 2:02 pm


(1) Assault is the most obvious exception to the rule of corporation.
(2) Only men have the required seed?? “Hummmmm,” as Arsenio use to say. I thought females supplied the eggs…males the fertilizer.
No matter how you bake this cake, these ingredients have to come together. Even in cloning, at some point in history, there was some form of corporation. Starting with the primary participants, a male and a female, the village has to take responsibility.



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Gerry Gaines

posted July 13, 2008 at 5:58 pm


We are all to blame, in part, for so many single-parent homes. We dare not blame just the women for “allowing” this to happen. I taught school for 34 yrs., white and black students, Indian and European students and many of the needs are the same! Everyone needs to be loved, it’s one of the basic needs in life. Often, it’s hard to love when you haven’t been shown love yourself. Sex is often mistaken for love. The facts of life seem simple enough, but, it always astounded me,when teaching Sex Education, the ignorance that abounded basic human body functions. If you have no knowledge of the facts, how then are you supposed to teach another? Parents would send their child to me with questions, that I thought a parent would know. The answer is in education, better prepared teachers and caring, concerned parents. We all need to pool our efforts!!



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pagansister

posted July 13, 2008 at 9:58 pm


Perhaps now that Obama is a presidential candidate, the Blacks will listen when he tries to get the black men to be responsible for the children they father. Jessie Jackson is having a hard time realizing that his time is over…there is a new generation of black leaders now. JJ’s generation did the groundwork, and did it well, so that new generations can continue. Jessie shouldn’t have made the crude comment, however. There was no excuse for it. (even if he thought the “mike” was off).
Someone above made the comment that the women were part of the baby-making process. True. However birth control methods need to be used by BOTH. Also there is such a fuss over abortion that some of the women might choose to just have the child, whether they can feed it or not and whether the male involved has anything to do with it or not.
Also not all children are “made” with cooperation…there are sometimes rape “babies”. There should always be the option of an abortion should a pregancy happen due to that situation.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 8:13 am


==(2) Only men have the required seed?? “Hummmmm,” as Arsenio use to say. I thought females supplied the eggs…males the fertilizer.==
As far as the female is concderned, only the male has the required seed since his seed fertilizes the egg, not the other way around.
==No matter how you bake this cake, these ingredients have to come together.==
You need a male and a female.
== Even in cloning, at some point in history, there was some form of corporation.==
Ok, we know you’re trying to impress with a fancy word there. Maybe somebody is out there who is impressed, cuz I’m not.
==Starting with the primary participants, a male and a female, the village has to take responsibility.==
The last clear chance, the final reqponsibility is the man and the woman’s.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 8:16 am


==…birth control methods need to be used by BOTH. ==
No they don’t.
Bottom line is that the woman is the one who gets pregnant. She is the one who has to be most careful. She has the last, clear chance to avoid pregnancy.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 8:27 am


==not all children are “made” with cooperation…there are sometimes rape “babies”. There should always be the option of an abortion should a pregancy happen due to that situation.==
In other words, the child should pay for the “crime” of his parents. We see.



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pagansister

posted July 14, 2008 at 12:25 pm


Mr. Incredible:
You’re basicly saying that the man should have no responsiblty for preventing a pregnancy? It takes 2 to tangle. Some men,black and white, won’t wear a condom, because some really want to show their “masculinity”, father a child, either on purpose or not. All men should consider a condom for that reason as well as prevention of STD’s.
As to rape babies? It is obvious that you are a man. “We see”. Obviously not. Some women would not want a reminder of being raped staring them in the face everyday….from a stranger, or incest or any other rape situation. BTW, in an abortion a “child” is not paying for anything, a group of cells are not a “child”. Life doesn’t start at conception. And you mentioned the crime of his parents….Hello! Rape isn’t for the purpose of becoming parents!!!! It is a sick male domination thing…as lots of other crude reasons why it occurs. Of course, there is no reason for rape.



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cnathan

posted July 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm


Rape is a terrible thing. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would suggest otherwise.
There’s a separate aspect of this conversation that needs to be addressed. That is, some feel that life does start at conception. This is one of those ideas that is fundamental. Someone who believes that, won’t be convinced by an argument to the contrary. Someone who doesn’t believe that, probably won’t end up changing their mind about it because someone tells them what the Bible says.
You see the disjoint, right? The question is, how do we address legitimate problems when there are fundamental beliefs on different sides of the issue that are at such odds. I don’t know the answer; but I can tell you one thing for sure. Yelling at someone that “a group of cells are not a ‘child’” won’t help matters.



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pagansister

posted July 14, 2008 at 4:08 pm


Who was yelling? Making a statement of what I believe. I do understand that some folks don’t believe in choice. That’s another whole ball game, or discussion.



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cnathan

posted July 14, 2008 at 4:29 pm


Sorry, it was a figure of speech directed at the tone of that part of your email. But your response is revealing as well. I was talking about a sincere belief that some folks have that life does start at conception. Your response intimates that those people don’t believe in choice which intimates a host of other assumptions about that person’s view of women, etc. etc. You see where the disconnect is? You seem to be forcing a whole set of vocabulary onto someone who might happen to think that life starts at conception. And I would say that it’s unproductive for the benefit of your cause because it only further polarizes by putting your conversation partner on the defensive. Is any of this making sense? Or are you caught up on the fact that I allowed for the POSSIBILITY that life starts at conception and have thus labeled me all sorts of other unrelated things?



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pagansister

posted July 14, 2008 at 6:19 pm


I’m well aware of folks who believe that the minute conception happens it’s a child. Obviously their right. I just happen to disagree. However, I don’t think that the folks with that belief should be against a woman’s right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.
As to the discussion of J.Jackson and his problem with Obama. Obama is on the right track in saying to Black males….if they get a woman pregnant…be a man and take care of that future child. But, the woman still has the right terminate. J. Jackson thinks that Obama was “talking down” to them? Was he sorry he didn’t come up with that idea??



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Lisa

posted July 14, 2008 at 6:58 pm


one, Rev. jackson did not promote christianity with his nasty remark
two, We are all human I am concerned there is a JEALOUSY issue here and this too has no place in our Lord’s kingdom, hopefully Mr. Jackson will realize this and the holy spirit will will re-enter him I didn’t hear the holy spirit when I heard his remark. I am glad the microphone was on, truth while not always pretty, is invaluable, I doubt it was a coincidence the microphone was on.
three, yes, African americans need to be an integral part of their families but so do caucasions etc. etc,,
four, as our economic situation becomes more and more dismal we will see more splits in all families regardless of race .
five, choosing to have children is like one of the biggest and most important decisions we can ever make as humans and this decision should never be taken lightly or masquearaded as fate, for lack of a better word.
Lisa



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 9:35 pm


==You’re basicly saying that the man should have no responsiblty for preventing a pregnancy?==
Sure he should; but the final responsibility is up to the woman cuz she is the one who has to bear the “burden.” If she doesn’t wanna get pregnant, she should make sure SHE takes control of what she can control – herself.
== It takes 2 to tangle.==
However, she’s gonna be the one burdened.
== Some men,black and white, won’t wear a condom, because some really want to show their “masculinity”…==
Then, what is a woman doing having sex with those men? Don’t they have the brains to say, “NO!” to them?
==… All men should consider a condom for that reason as well as prevention of STD’s.==
And, if they don’t, does the woman just throw her hands up’n'the air and say, “Gee, oh, well”?
==It is obvious that you are a man.==
You’re sure not shy about stereotyping, are you.
==Some women would not want a reminder of being raped staring them in the face everyday….from a stranger, or incest or any other rape situation.==
Sooooo their comfort is more important that a person’s life. We see.
==in an abortion a “child” is not paying for anything, a group of cells are not a “child”.==
And, yet, Jefferson said that the Right to life begins when we are created. So, you disagree with Jefferson. We understand.
== Life doesn’t start at conception.==
Then wht is Obamarama talking about when he says that the father’s responsibility doesn’t end at conception? What responsibility, if there is no one to be responsible for?
==And you mentioned the crime of his parents ….==
Yes. The child should have to pay for the “crime” of his parents.
==Hello! Rape isn’t for the purpose of becoming parents!!!!==
And, yet, they are his parents.
== It is a sick male domination thing…==
I know. You hate men. We get it.
==Of course, there is no reason for rape.==
What does THAT have to do with the innocent child?



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm


That should be, “The child shouldn’t have to pay for the ‘crime’ of his parents.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 9:41 pm


==I’m well aware of folks who believe that the minute conception happens it’s a child…I just happen to disagree. ==
You disagree also with Jefferson who said that the Right to life begins at creation.
You also disagree with those who claim to be homosexual who say that they were created homosexual, and that would be in line with Jefferson, even though it’s not true that they were created homosexual, except by their own choice.
So, to you, apparently, the Right to life begins at, what, birth, even though something, obviously, was created before then.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 9:43 pm


==I’m well aware of folks who believe that the minute conception happens it’s a child….I just happen to disagree. However, I don’t think that the folks with that belief should be against a woman’s right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.==
So, what responsibility of the father, at conception, is Obamarama talking about, since, to you, there’s nothing there to be responsible for?



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 9:46 pm


==I’m well aware of folks who believe that the minute conception happens it’s a child. ==
How do you know it isn’t?
What’s the scientific definition o a “child”? There is none. It’s up to society to define, through the Legislative.



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pagansister

posted July 14, 2008 at 10:20 pm


Mr. Incredible:
Long winded, huh?
I’m not going over every point with you. I’ve made my points. You’ve made yours.
Just because T. Jefferson said some 200 years ago that life begins at creation, I’m supposed to be impressed and change my mind? No.
And what does homosexuality have to do with this discussion on Obama?
Yes, the comfort and mental health of a woman is of concern if she has a child conceived through rape. If an abortion helps her get over a rape, it’s good.
Sorry to disappoint, but I don’t hate men.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm


==Mr. Incredible:
Long winded, huh?==
Too taxing for you?
==I’m not going over every point with you.==
Cuz you cannot.
== I’ve made my points. You’ve made yours.==
So, it’s all ping-pong to you, eh.
==Just because T. Jefferson said some 200 years ago that life begins at creation, I’m supposed to be impressed and change my mind? No.==
Of course you won’t.
However, Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence is enduring, no? Did he not say that these truths, including the Right to life beginning at creation, are self-evident? If the Right to life came from God then, does it still? Or did it run out already?
==And what does homosexuality have to do with this discussion on Obama? ==
Reread my post. It’s there. You just missed it.
==Yes, the comfort and mental health of a woman is of concern if she has a child conceived through rape. If an abortion helps her get over a rape, it’s good.==
Nothing about punishing the child for the “crimes” of the parent’s huh. It’s all about the confort of the woman, which is the same a bortion “reasoning” at other times.
==Sorry to disappoint, but I don’t hate men.==
That post of your betrays quite the opposite sentiment.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 10:44 pm


==And what does homosexuality have to do with this discussion on Obama? ==
Obamarama says that a father’s responsibility doesn’t end at conception. That means that there must be something there to be responsible for. A living creature. A person. Otherwise, what responsibility?
If responsibility begins at conception, the Right to life begins there, too, and Jefferson confirms this as a self-evident truth that is not evident to you, based on agenda.
Those who claim to be homosexual also claim — erroneously — that they were created homosexual. That must mean at conception. So, they, at least, agree on that point with Jefferson and Obamarama. You disagree with both.
With whom should the rest of us agree? Who is correct?
Further, if a father has responsibility at conception, does the mother, too? Or is equal Rights/protection/application out the window?
Don’t you want all those who SHOULD have the Right to life to get the Right to life?? Maybe not.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm


You disagree with both >>>>> You disagree with all three



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Anonymous

posted July 15, 2008 at 11:51 am


Obama is stating facts that have been stated over oand over again for the fast thirty years. He is using terms that has been used to describe our service men and women. He should try and get to the point of his message and quit saying the same things over and over again.



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pagansister

posted July 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm


FYI, “I”, I do believe a person is born either heterosexual or homosexual.
Too taxing? no, just don’t feel the need.
Responsibility doesn’t end at conception…(Obama) Actually, responsiblity starts at birth. IMO if a woman can’t make up her mind to abort on or before 4 months, she should continue the 9. But that is my opinion, and each woman has to make her own decision. There are medical circumstances (too many) that sometimes make a 9 month term impossible.
Who are those who have a “right to life”? Tiny cells that are microscopic (potential for life…not life yet) or a child at birth?
Why is important to agree with Obama or Jefferson? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions in this country.
Sticking by the comfort and mental health of the woman when it comes to rape. The rapest doesn’t have to raise what he violently fathered. She shouldn’t have to if she doesn’t feel she can. No child punishment there. (back to the life begins when thing).
Sorry, still don’t hate men. Been married 43 happy years, raised 2 kids, and love my life…with the man I married. But you are entitled to your opinion…
In your opinion, (and I guess Jefferson’s) the right to life came from a god. Many folks believe that, but I don’t happen to. Human’s give and take life… Actually, my parent’s “made” or created me.
Who should we agree with? The person who thinks like we do…when that happens,then I agree with them. No one is correct all the time on everything…not even the folks who started this country. An aside…Jefferson and others of that time agreed slavery was OK. Do you agree with that? That is a quality of life thing.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 15, 2008 at 4:10 pm


==I do believe a person is born either heterosexual or homosexual. ==
It’s clear that all of use are born heterosexual.
Whats the proof that those who claim to be homosexual are actually born homosexual?



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 15, 2008 at 4:21 pm


==Actually, responsiblity starts at birth.==
Posted by: pagansister | July 15, 2008 1:41 PM
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Actually, as a man, I’m glad to see that you believe that a man can treat women as objects and come and go as he pleases.
I’d buy a ticket to see the look on other women’s faces when they read that.



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Deiter G.

posted July 15, 2008 at 5:07 pm


Thirty-thousand ACTUAL children died today. Thirty thousand died yesterday. Thirty-thousand more will die tomorrow. All from starvation, and all could have been saved. Where were your Pro-Life lobbyists then?
The Right Wing lunatics in this country don’t care about the sanctity of life. Poll all the Right-Wingers in this country and the VAST majority of them favor the death penalty. . . not only for capital offenses, but for things like rape and drug dealing. For conservative Christians, the sanctity of life begins at conception and ends once the baby leaves the birth canal.
The conservative jihaadists of this country LOVE to paint liberals as an agenda-having fringe. But look at ANY of their leaders. . . Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, James Dobson, Sean Hannity. Have you ever actually HEARD any of them?? These people are a bigger terrorist threat then al-Qaeda!
Folks, conservatives don’t care about the sanctity of human life. They’re not doing God’s work. They just like to pretend they ARE God, and any challenge to their egos is met with fierce resistance.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 16, 2008 at 8:35 am


==Thirty-thousand ACTUAL children died today. Thirty thousand died yesterday. Thirty-thousand more will die tomorrow. All from starvation, and all could have been saved. Where were your Pro-Life lobbyists then? ==
How could ALL of them been saved? Only by ALL of their parents saving them. A Godless bunch of parents don’t have the spirit to save them. THAT’s the problem – Godlessness.
==The Right Wing lunatics in this country don’t care about the sanctity of life.==
The Left Wing lunatics in this country don’t care about the sanctity of life.
== Poll all the Right-Wingers in this country and the VAST majority of them favor the death penalty. . .==
Yes, for the guilty. Unborn children don’t meet that criterion.
==For conservative Christians, the sanctity of life begins at conception and ends once the baby leaves the birth canal.==
That’s the Libzi PR, anyway.
==The conservative jihaadists of this country LOVE to paint liberals as an agenda-having fringe.==
We love the truth and the Truth.
== But look at ANY of their leaders. . . Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, James Dobson, Sean Hannity.==
All of them consistently on the right and the correct side of things.
== Have you ever actually HEARD any of them??==
Yes. All the time.
== These people are a bigger terrorist threat then al-Qaeda!==
That’s the way YOU have to cast them in order to try to justify your position.
Folks, conservatives don’t care about the sanctity of human life.==
Folks, Libzis don’t care about the sanctity of human life.”
== They’re not doing God’s work.==
What would a scoffer know about it? How does a scoffer detgermine what God’s work is?
== They just like to pretend they ARE God…==
That’s too big a job for us. We’re happy following Him and doing His work.
==…and any challenge to their egos is met with fierce resistance.==
Gee, thanks!



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pagansister

posted July 16, 2008 at 2:49 pm


Deiter G:
Excellent points, well said. Thanks.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm


Except that I pretty much de-excellent-ized his points.



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posted July 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm


In your dreams.



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 17, 2008 at 9:47 am


“Except that I pretty much de-excellent-ized his points.”
==In your dreams.==
Not to YOU, of course, but in reality.
You don’t receive it, but so what?



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posted July 17, 2008 at 1:40 pm


“it”?



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Mr. Incredible

posted July 17, 2008 at 7:19 pm


==”it”? ==
You could try to pay attention.



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posted July 18, 2008 at 6:31 pm


Attention to what?



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