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Baptist pastor prays for Obama’s death

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I found this on an atheist blog and I’m appalled a Christian would pray for the death and damnation of anyone. Isn’t it our job to pray for salvation? Aren’t we called to love our enemies? What’s up with this guy, doesn’t he know about grace and the love of God?But here’s the big theological question: how in the world does Obama’s death and damnation save our nation? Save us from what? The wrath of God?



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Lauren

posted August 26, 2009 at 2:46 pm


Exactly Michelle…this is rather disturbing. I find it distressing that a pastor, with a platform, voice, and call to lead offers his congregation not messages of hope and prayerful intervention in public life to better our society but cowardly scorn without redemption.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 26, 2009 at 3:09 pm


I, too, am “appalled a Christian would pray for the death and damnation of anyone”, but I am in no way surprised.
After all, some “christians’” believe gays cause hurricanes and tornadoes and wish/pray they were eradicated from the face of this earth.
“Aren’t we called to love our enemies?”
Called to? Yes. Actually do so? Still waiting…
“What’s up with this guy, doesn’t he know about grace and the love of God?”
Not many “christians” do. Or, at least, they think it should be selectively applied.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 26, 2009 at 3:12 pm


Michele,
The caption on your screen capture explains it all:
“extremist activities” If religious extremeists could all just learn to let the rest of the world live in peace, we’d all be better off.
This ‘Let’s take a gun to church’ nonsense needs the highest level of exposure (and ridicule). Trouble is, you and your blog are often seen to be ‘in the extreme’. You, IOW, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.



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kelly

posted August 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm


I’m not surprised. This is the same tone and tenor that has been coming from GOP base of conservative christians since before the election. Don’t you remember how Sarah Palin riled up the “base” by accusing Obama of “paling around with terrorists”? Just yesterday McCain was booed at a town hall of faithful GOP christian conservatives when he said that PRESIDENT Obama believed in the US Constitution.
These are the people who bring guns to the president’s town halls. These are the people who blow up federal buildings in Oklahoma. These are the people who are yelling “socialism” and “Nazi” when discussing healthcare.
They guy is trying to help the average American citizen. Not the spoiled rich kids but the average citizen who makes about $56,000 a year and has 3 kids.
I’m shocked that Michelle even brought this to her blog, considering she has often fanned the flames of fear with her misinformation about the president and his policies.



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Michael

posted August 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm


Yes, this is unfortunate. It just fuels cynicism, skepticism and negativity towards Christianity.
The pastor thinks he’s taking one step forward for Christ but really taking ten steps back for the cause.
Do the Christians who do pray for Obama (thousands of them) make the news or an athiests’ blog? Nope.
MJ



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Kauko

posted August 26, 2009 at 5:02 pm


“They guy is trying to help the average American citizen. Not the spoiled rich kids but the average citizen who makes about $56,000 a year and has 3 kids”
i think your estimation of what an ‘average’ person makes a year is like $20,000 on the high side.



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Unapologetic Catholic

posted August 26, 2009 at 5:19 pm


No, about right.
“In 2007, the median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.”
Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States



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JanS

posted August 26, 2009 at 7:04 pm


First, Obama is not the enemy! I think this Baptist pastor is completely out of step with the Lord. And he certainly doesn’t know scripture to say such things, especially publically. He seems to know nothing about salvation by stating that our “country can be saved” if Obama dies. As a Christian, this pastor does not speak for me. Christians need to stand up against this type of nonsense. I am a Baptist and I am from Arizona. I am ashamed that this man is either.
When does criticism of the President become a threat, and didn’t this “pastor” cross that line his public statements?



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Robert R.

posted August 26, 2009 at 7:09 pm


I don’t want to discourage your choice of topic or your tone, but perhaps you will understand that I am pleasantly surprised by them.



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RJohnson

posted August 26, 2009 at 7:47 pm


Let’s see…a black pastor preaches “God Damn America” and we hear about it for weeks from the media. A white minister prays for a President’s death and what do we hear? Precious little if anything. Thank you, Michele, for at least giving this some publicity. Let’s see if the “liberal” media will run with it.
And to the fellow Christians here, I ask this. What are YOU going to do to combat this? If the person praying were a Muslim cleric and the President were George Bush, we would have conservative Christians lining up demanding that Muslims “do something” about this provocateur in their midst. Well…we Christians have a provocateur in our midst. What are WE going to do about it?



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Robert Morwell

posted August 26, 2009 at 8:48 pm


This lunatic has also called for gays to be executed in another “sermon.”



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anonymous reincarnate

posted August 26, 2009 at 10:15 pm


i believe that this subject matter has been addressed on this blog before. there are many angry and violent conservatives, racists and other radicals with different labels out there who have their sights set on obama and other democrats.
the rhetoric used on talk radio, web sites, blogs, and from certain cable news pundits and even political leaders has fueled a growing radicalized population.
i have to say that i haven’t seen or heard it this bad in a very long time. i’m afraid of what’s to come. tensions are high.



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Moonshadow

posted August 26, 2009 at 11:04 pm


how in the world does … save our nation? Save us from what? The wrath of God?
Another thing you haven’t listened to …
He says, “”that our country can be saved. … that innocent lives can be saved. It’s not just the abortion, you know. It’s all the warfare, too, that our country has no business being involved in. That kills innocent people.”
You should hear his remarks about the war.



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Richard

posted August 26, 2009 at 11:39 pm


This so-called pastor is a disgrace and as about as Christian as a oak tree. He deserves all the shaming and ridicule he can get.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted August 26, 2009 at 11:58 pm


well at least he’s consistent in being against all that death… by praying for death… what a dumbass (oops, time to get bleeped).



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Moonshadow

posted August 27, 2009 at 12:01 am


I listened to the sermon the excerpt came from:
http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/081609p.mp3
I am so not a Baptist.
This stuff appeals to people because it goes against everything they’ve ever heard. The gospel Truth is largely mainstream in our society … a reality that makes born-agains suspicious. They expect the Truth to be “found by a few” (Matt. 7:14), “hard teaching” (John 6:60), not accepted by the world (John 14:17). That God the Father, creator of heaven and earth, doesn’t love everyone possesses that shock value born-agains are after. But, of course, it is more shocking to believe God loves everyone.
You just must listen to what he does with 1 Timothy 2:1-4! He throws out that Baptist rejoinder that “No Scripture is a matter of private interpretation,” a gross bastardization of 2 Peter 1:20. He puts his misquoted 2 Peter 1:20 into slick service, as underpinning his hermeneutic to “let Scripture interpret Scripture,” not a biblical injunction whatsoever. And he subjugates 1 Tim. 2:1-4 to Jeremiah 7:16 and 14:11 and, in answer to the question of how can we live peaceably when the socialist Obama takes bread from our pantry, he reads from 2 Kings 9:16ff.
He spends time in Psalm 109 where David supposedly models the form of prayer Brother Anderson imitates, “‘Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.’ … If somebody is going to twist my arm behind my back and tell me to pray for Barack Obama, this is what I’m going to pray. Because this is the only prayer that applies to him [Obama]: ‘Break his teeth, O God, in his mouth. As a snail which melteth, let him pass away.’ It’s ok to pray a Psalm 58 type of prayer for these people but don’t pray for their good.” And, you know what: if you disagree with this preacher, then you haven’t read your Bible.
Because “The sermon’s alot of Bible tonight. I don’t even have to do much preaching tonight. ‘Cuz this sermon kinda preaches itself. You say, ‘You’re not loving!’ Are you talking to me or are you talking to God? I’m just reading God’s word.”
Still, I say the guy has got to follow his conscience. He’s obligated to pray the way he thinks the Bible tells him. I just hope he doesn’t influence too many people. For their own sake.



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shimauma

posted August 27, 2009 at 9:36 am


I’ve been an advocate of praying for barry hussein, I pray for his conviction all the time. Death would be too easy on this guy, he needs to be alive to be brought to full punishment. I pray that his heart is so wrung out by the wrong he’s inflicted on our nation so that he’ll never enjoy any of his remaining days unless he comes broken before God and begs forgiveness. We’ll know by his fruits…



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Alicia

posted August 27, 2009 at 10:18 am


I agree with anonymous reincarnate. When people bring loaded guns to Presidential town halls (and don’t end up in the slammer, but are actually permitted to do so) or show up with pictures of the President with a Hitler moustache, and when Baptist preachers call for his death, I am worried about the climate of hatred that is being encouraged in this country.
Republicans in Congress are so worried about losing their few supporters that they don’t speak out against this hatred (with few exceptions, McCain being one of them) and so they are feeding the fire, in my opinion.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the President on policy or on politics. But, it seems to me that the fundamental reason for all of this noise is the panic that some people feel at having a black man with a funny name as President. They look around and think that America is changing in a way that will leave them behind, and it simply isn’t so. I also recognize the state of the economy has something to do with this, but whether you agree with the Obama Administration’s actions or not, at least he’s not a do-nothing President.



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MzEllen

posted August 27, 2009 at 11:28 am


But, it seems to me that the fundamental reason for all of this noise is the panic that some people feel at having a black man with a funny name as President.
or…it could be his liberal policies. Just a thought.
I am so not a Baptist.
yeah. me too.



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Your Name

posted August 27, 2009 at 11:33 am


I am praying for the indictment, trial, conviction, and incarceration of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Condi Rice, Alberto Gonsales, and Donald Rumsfeld for breaking the laws of the United States and the nations against torture, for crimes against humanity and war crimes.



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Alicia

posted August 27, 2009 at 12:07 pm


Hi, MzEllen. I agree that some of the groups and radio talk show hosts may be cynically manipulating the folks who come out to disrupt town halls are chiefly motivated by opposition to his liberal policies; however this is not the way to oppose someone’s policies or politics.
I am very impressed by Obama, but I haven’t agreed with everything he’s done since becoming President. However, I am turning my back on the Republicans in Congress at this time because I think they are chiefly motivated by the desire to win, not the desire to do what is best for the country. Maybe someday the Republican Party will become the party of adults again, but I’m not holding my breath.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted August 27, 2009 at 12:08 pm


“I just hope he doesn’t influence too many people. For their own sake.”
… and the president’s and ours. thanks for your comment, moonshadow. i thoroughly enjoyed it.
“the wrong he’s inflicted on our nation”
such as? shimauma, your heart is filled with hatred and your mind with violent images and your ignorance knows no bounds. my hope is that you find peace through peaceful means and knowledge through college education.
“the fundamental reason for all of this noise is the panic that some people feel at having a black man with a funny name as President”
alicia, i agree… mostly. i don’t think that it’s the fundamental reason, but i think that it is one element that some focus on. president obama has a lot against him that different groups use to fuel the flames of hatred. his name elicits a sick response from those christians and americans who have a deep seated hatred for muslims and middle-easterners. his color fires up the racists. his party affiliation and it’s platform rile the republicans.
now consider what happens to those people who overlap these groups, for example, racist christian conservatives who despise social programs – and believe me, there are a LOT of them around (some even participate here). they have a lot to be angry about, even if they are so wrong. neo-nazi fascism has been on the rise in parts of this country and it reared its ugly head not too long ago. it still has strong affiliations to the republican party.
and don’t forget the liberals of his own party. he certainly isn’t living up to the image that conservatives painted of him as the most liberal politician ever. his center-of-the-road policies and failure to act on more liberal policies has angered them, too.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted August 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm


Robert Morwell,
“This lunatic has also called for gays to be executed in another “sermon.”"
Why is that “lunatic”? Biblical literalists (well, the selective ones, anyway) know The Bible (TM) tells us teh ghays “shall surely be put to death”, after all.



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salvage

posted August 27, 2009 at 1:01 pm


Um… your god? Doesn’t he have a history of killing everything from Egyptian babies to whole nations? Isn’t he a rather violent being who has demanded that his followers from Abraham to Constantine be just as violent in promoting his cause?
So what are you talking about? From what I can tell this guy is being a far more honest Christian than you. Your god loves blood right? That’s what Jesus’ “sacrifice” was all about wasn’t it?
Isn’t it interesting how diverse Christians are? How they can pick and choose what bits of the Bible to follow? Why would your god make his religion like that? Why would he want such diversions and schisms?



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Alicia

posted August 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm


Hi, anonymous reincarnate,
I am not so worried about organized neonazi groups (even under another name) gaining power as I am about violence (perhaps even terrorism) that targets those that some of these groups fear, including our President. And I am worried that the Republican Party will marginalize itself by becoming so identified with the extremes.
A personal note – I was fed up with the Democrats (though I keep voting for them in national elections) so I changed my registration to Republican. Now I have decided to reregister as Independent in spite of the disadvantages of doing so. I’m just one person, but I’m sure I’m not unique. I’m so turned off by the direction the Republican Party has gone in that I’ve written them off.
I’m not for big government or small government, I’m for effective government. I’m sure I’m not the only one. I want to listen to rational arguments for and against Health Care Reform, not people screaming and toting guns and threatening the President.



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Moonshadow

posted August 27, 2009 at 2:49 pm


about violence (perhaps even terrorism) that targets those that some of these groups fear
This Anderson is definitely holding the line set down in Ephesians 4:26 – “Be ye angry, and sin not.” I almost envy his self-control.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted August 27, 2009 at 4:06 pm


alicia, it appears we are quite a bit alike. i’m an independent because i see the benefits of not being tied to any party (although, come election time i get the robo-calls and mailers from both sides… that sucks).
i once had respect for some republican politicians. i considered voting for mccain back when he was more centrist, if he’d have beat george in the primary. that has long since evaporated and i don’t see my beliefs aligning with the republican platform, and especially not with the way they conduct themselves.
what turned you off, if you don’t mind my asking?
“I’m not for big government or small government, I’m for effective government.”
exactly.



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Alicia

posted August 27, 2009 at 4:31 pm


Thanks, anonymous reincarnate. One of the things that turned me off when the Republicans were in charge of the House and Senate and White House was what I saw as an attitude of “arrogant triumphalism” which many of the Republican leaders appeared to think they needed in order to win – to me, George Allen’s infamous “Macaca” speech exemplified that attitude.
But, imagine my surprise when, even after losing big, most of these Republican leaders appeared to have exactly the same attitude and weren’t in the least chastened by their losses. And, with all their much vaunted “principles” these are the folks that allowed the deficit to grow beyond what it had ever been while they were in power.
I’m all for making government smaller, if possible, but most Republicans seem more interested in doing anything in their power to protect the interests of the rich, and the Democrats are only marginally better. And, I’m for regulation of banks, Wall Street, etc. because I think it is a conservative value to believe that freedom cannot exist without limits. So their I differ with the Free Market uber alles folks. I believe more in the Goldilocks philosophy of government – not to big or small but just right.



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Your Name

posted August 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm


I think this “pastor” is out of the will of God in praying for the death of Obama. The trouble is that American Christianity can be very shallow, all lovey-dovey stuff, and when shallow Christians try to speak to the problem of evil, they make fools of themselves.
Yet the Bible tells us to “hate evil (Psalm 97),” and there are imprecatory phrases throughout the Scripture, not only in the Psalms and in God’s execution of His enemies in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament too “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let Him be ‘anathema.’” writes the apostle, and the Book of Revelation is filled with scenes of God’s judgment on His enemies. It is better to pray for Christ to come and judge His enemies than to rail against a flesh and blood person. After all “We wrestle not against flesh and blood,” Paul states.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted August 27, 2009 at 10:50 pm


regarding the “macaca” speech, it seems that many republicans are oblivious to how offensive such remarks are.
i know some for whom it just flows off the tongue because of their hatred of “political correctness” that they seem almost proud to utter them (and fly their confederate flags) and tell racist jokes.
“I believe more in the Goldilocks philosophy of government – not to big or small but just right.”
that’s a great analogy. i think we could start by ending the dhs (it’s inefficient and ineffective and too costly), modernizing our military, doing as ted kennedy suggested (fund research in curing or preventing diseases like alzheimer’s and save tons of money keeping the elderly out of nursing homes), and modernize our energy system. we’ve become lazy and we’re not taking on the challenges of today.



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mark

posted August 27, 2009 at 11:54 pm


Thank You,
You are the ONLY heterosexual site of Faith who have criticized this Pastor or Pastor Steven L Anderson of Tempe AZ, making death threats against President Obama, Rep. Barney Frank, or every LGBT American.
Eccumenical Councils all over the Nation should be publicly denouncing this….but they aren’t.
Your SILENCE is deafening



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Rich

posted August 28, 2009 at 4:35 am


Why did God command Moses to tell Pharaoh to let Gods people go, while at the same time God told Moses that Pharaoh will not listen to him because GOD will harden his heart? “But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.”? Exodus 4:21. Then when Pharaoh refused God sent plagues upon Egypt, including the death of all Egypt’s first born sons and then the total destruction of Pharaohs army
King Saul was told to kill ALL the Amalekites, including pregnant women, cattle, everything. Saul didn’t do this and he became cursed. How can this be if we are to be like Jesus and PRAY for our enemies?
How is it that Jesus commanded in Luke 22:37 for the disciples to buy a sword if they didn’t have one, then when Peter used it to cut the ear off the High Priest’s servant Christ chastised him, why?
Why is it that when the founding fathers separated from England they were called patriots, who fought and killed the British army when they arrived? But anyone who stands up against Caesar is condemned by Christendom. Jefferson wrote:
“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.”
It seems there is a double standard in many ways, I know the answers and the truth, those who are of the Feminized 21st Century ignorant American Church will have great difficulty with these passages and facts, especially when you examine in detail Romans 9.



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Alicia

posted August 28, 2009 at 10:00 am


Regarding the Lynn Jenkins “Great White Hope” remarks, anonymous reincarnate, I agree completely. The racism is so ingrained that the Republican politicians who utter these remarks can’t even admit it to themselves, even when they are caught in the act. (George Allen has never admitted that “Macaca” was a term of racial abuse in his grandmother’s native country in North Africa.)
I say that as someone who despises racial politics and people like Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton.



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RJohnson

posted August 28, 2009 at 12:22 pm


It would appear that the vast majority of outspoken, white, Evangelical Christians in this nation are quite content with one of their pastors praying for the death of our President. I cannot imagine the amount of uproar that would be caused if an American Muslim cleric had made such a public pronouncement against our President, either the current one or his predecessor. We would find FOX News playing snippets of the prayer daily for weeks (remember the Rev. Wright scandal earlier in Obama’s candidacy). We would have Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Chuck Colson, and many others on the right denouncing the cleric, his mosque, and all Muslims in the nation.
More importantly, we would have the members of our press who hold a conservative position denouncing it. Take, for example, Beliefnet’s own Rod Dreher. Here is what he had to say about the “Muslim conspirancy of violence” that he saw in the Muslim Brotherhood trials.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2007/08/the-conspiracy-in-writing.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-dreher_28edi.ART.State.Edition1.4224821.html
Yet in response to this Baptist pastor’s call for the death of President Obama…nothing. Not a word.
To those on the right who demanded that Muslims in this nation step up and speak out against those provocateurs in their midst, those voices calling for the downfall of our Nation, I put this challenge. Show us by your example what you would have the Muslims do about their loose cannons by controlling your own.
Or are you folks too much of a coward to stand up and hold your own faith to the standard you would hold others?
Thank you, Michele, for having the integrity to highlight this “minister” and to speak out so clearly against him.
Richard Johnson
Burlington, IA
RJohnson64@yahoo.com



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RJohnson

posted August 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm


It would appear that the vast majority of outspoken, white, Evangelical Christians in this nation are quite content with one of their pastors praying for the death of our President. I cannot imagine the amount of uproar that would be caused if an American Muslim cleric had made such a public pronouncement against our President, either the current one or his predecessor. We would find FOX News playing snippets of the prayer daily for weeks (remember the Rev. Wright scandal earlier in Obama’s candidacy). We would have Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Chuck Colson, and many others on the right denouncing the cleric, his mosque, and all Muslims in the nation.
More importantly, we would have the members of our press who hold a conservative position denouncing it. Take, for example, Beliefnet’s own Rod Dreher. Here is what he had to say about the “Muslim conspirancy of violence” that he saw in the Muslim Brotherhood trials.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html
blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2007/08/the-conspiracy-in-writing.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-dreher_28edi.ART.State.Edition1.4224821.html
Yet in response to this Baptist pastor’s call for the death of President Obama…nothing. Not a word.
To those on the right who demanded that Muslims in this nation step up and speak out against those provocateurs in their midst, those voices calling for the downfall of our Nation, I put this challenge. Show us by your example what you would have the Muslims do about their loose cannons by controlling your own.
Or are you folks too much of a coward to stand up and hold your own faith to the standard you would hold others?
Thank you, Michele, for having the integrity to highlight this “minister” and to speak out so clearly against him.
Richard Johnson
Burlington, IA
RJohnson64 AT yahoo.com



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Mike

posted August 28, 2009 at 5:09 pm


This is why I stopped going to my catholic church. Our Priest told us God let 911 happen to punish the world for homosexuals. Then told us if we voted for the wrong president, god would punish us as well.
I got up out of my chair and have not been back since. I now find myself agnostic rather then belonging to an organized religion with political views.
I can’t believe they get away with such hate filled words. I dislike people, but don’t wish death upon anyone.



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Moonshadow

posted August 28, 2009 at 7:57 pm


This is why I stopped going to my catholic church. Our Priest told us God let 911 happen to punish the world …
Huh, sounds similar to what my priest said … except he blamed 9/11 on abortion.



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Ed

posted August 28, 2009 at 8:39 pm


The theory of Christianity is great. As is Islam. And all those other things… if only people would practice them as they should rather than imposing their own agenda, therefore tainting the package.
Fancy a Pastor of all people praying for death to someone he couldn’t possibly have any genuine hatred for. Obama is not perfect but he has the best of intentions. How dare this man say such things against him and spread such nonsense.
It goes to show that whilst religion does have its benefits, it attracts people who need the guidance but does not neccessarily solve their inner problems. This may seem a trivial statement as it’s a matter of course however when people like this Pastor can climb ranks and preach on the Bible’s behalf, there’s rats in the ranks.



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RJohnson

posted August 29, 2009 at 11:29 am


Mike: “I can’t believe they get away with such hate filled words. I dislike people, but don’t wish death upon anyone. ”
Mike, what troubles me is not that the pastor is speaking these words. This is America, and we have the right to free speech in the Constitution, even if that speech is hateful. What troubles me is that there are so few Christians in the public square standing up and speaking against this individual. Where are James Dobson, Chuck Colson, Franklin Graham, Richard Land, Jay Sekulow, and the other Christian public voices who speak out so loudly when a Muslim, Wiccan, or Atheist says something hateful? Where are the protests from FOX News reporters, WorldNet Daily, and other news outlets aligned with conservative Christians?
The absence of their voices leaves one to think that they agree with the pastor’s sentiments. It leaves one to think that they too are praying for the death of our President, or perhaps for the death of his whole family.
Where are the opposing voices? What are they afraid of?



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Moonshadow

posted August 30, 2009 at 11:08 am


The absence of their voices leaves … one to think that they too are praying for the death of our President,
Goodness, RJ, their silence doesn’t make me think that. Most of us, michele included, don’t care what Dobson et. al., say. Anderson’s sentiments are really beyond the pale.



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Jeff

posted August 31, 2009 at 1:01 am


Mike,
I think if you try a different Catholic Church (another church that is also Catholic), you might get better guidance. Obviously not all Catholic priests are so radical.
God bless,
Jeff



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Shirley

posted August 31, 2009 at 11:53 am


This “pastor” in decidedly NOT Christian! He doesn’t even have a grasp of true Christianity. No true Christian would preach/pray for the death of another.
Are people actually returning to his church? I would be out of there quick–wouldn’t even wait for the end of one of his services. One would think that any true Christians there would also see how wrong he is.



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Chris

posted September 1, 2009 at 1:47 pm


He should be arrested by the Secret Service for Attempted Assasination of the President! He is asking God to kill the President and he thinks this will have an effect. Weather it does or not is not important- he is trying to do something to have him killed. He really believes that his prayers could possibly be the cause for an assassination, therefore he should be arrested on felony charges! If he was asking this to a crowd of people (or even one human being), he would be arrested.



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Olu

posted September 1, 2009 at 3:34 pm


I am 100% sure you’re this Pastor is either insane, losing his mind or he’s a fake. My dad was a Pastor till he died I never read any part of the scripture supporting this insanity; his kids and his wife needs to be taken away from him, I guess he’s reading “Satan’s Bible”.



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Kateecat

posted September 1, 2009 at 3:54 pm


Oh my! I never thought that I would see the day that a man who claims to be a man of God, would commit murder in his mind! Do you not know that sin begins in the mind and then comes to fruition and this sin leads to death! Be careful young man as you tread into the murky waters of hate! Go back to your Bible and read where this insight is written and then repent!!!! You are in danger of blasphemy!!!!
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
5And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.King James Version (KJV) Jeremiah 9:5 (King James Version)
Any ONE who leads the Lord’s children to commit sin, will be held responsible for the actions of the children that were led!!!!
Wishing death to the President or anyone for that matter, is a sin in itself! The danger of thinking and even praying for a death on anyone is a very serious matter and all any Christian can do is rebuke and pray for that Pastor, What a sad thing to see in the news….
REPENT!



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posted September 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm


What’s so terrible about the pastor in Arizona praying for Obama’s death? Yes, Christians are to love other people, but that doesn’t mean they must be walking mats for their enemies. Clearly, Obama’s an enemy of traditional American society. For one thing, he’s an aggressive promoter of abortion. For another, he intends to get rid of the elderly and disabled via his Death Panels. Evidence that he indeed is proposing death panels is offered by the booklet presently being handed to elderly and severely diabled veterans by the V.A. in which it’s suggested that such veteans consider suicide because they’re burdens on society. Moreover, Obama’s an anti-Christian and anti-Jewish Moslem. Doubt that? See http://www.rense.com/general83/lah.htm.
No, I don’t want the sonofabitch assassinated, because if he were he’d become a martyr for the crackpot Left.
How do I know about the V.A. booklet pushing suicide? Because I’m one of those, a 100% disabled Viet-Nam veteran, whom Obama wants to get rid of so he can give the money to illegal aliens to purchase their votes.



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Jack E. Jett

posted September 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm


I interviewed this guy. The only men that have ever come on to him have been “christians”. He thinks the Bible was written in English.
He thinks that most American men are too effeminate because they all urinate sitting down. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com



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posted September 5, 2009 at 1:46 pm


This is to the disabled vietnam veteran – First of all, I am sorry to hear that you are disabled. But must you be so bitter? If you believe that this man is right for praying for someones death (no matter who it is), then you are just as guilty as him.
So do you really think that it is okay for your enemies to pray for your death? I hope not. The Bible cleary states “Vengence is mine – Thus sayeth the Lord”. Meaning it is not our place to take vengence on anyone. The bible teaches us to pray for those who spitefully misuse you, not pray for their death.
Life is too short to be filled with all that hate.



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posted September 6, 2009 at 11:18 pm


This is to the disabled vet. I am too a vet, although not disabled. I have served in Iraq 3 times. The message you left here shows your ignorance of the facts. You are probably uneducated and have trouble understanding. I say this because you mention things without research them from valid websites, i.e. the government websites. The information to clear up your ignorant speech and speak with more authority than what someone who is also ignorant is putting out on this internet. I hope you understand that someone like me or even you can start a movement based off of nothing here on the internet. Finally, I appreciate your service to this fine country but you must remember that we, as member of the military-past and present, must remain loyal to the freedom of this country and abide as such.
Remember, educate yourself the right way, without hatred.



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RIchard Bethell

posted September 8, 2009 at 7:02 am


I say this to any Christian listening, and your heart should convict you when you hear it. If you agree with praying for the death of the President of the United States, you are not now – and have never so much as once been – a Christian. Read your bible, let the REAL Jesus into your heart. For there is NO SALVATION in the hard hearted counterfeit of Christ you believe in, if you truly believe praying for Obama’s death is legitimate.
“In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ (Jesus) have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit. Let us not be conceited, provoking one another, envious of one another.”
Galatians 5:22-26
“All bitterness, fury, anger, shouting, and reviling must be removed from you, along with all malice.” Ephesians 4:31



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