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Bishop Gene Robinson’s prayer

posted by David Gibson

Sarah Pulliam at Christianity Today has video of the prayer of the gay Episcopal bishop, whose inclusion in inaugural events was expected to be as controversial as Rick Warren’s. But Warren could do worse than Robinson. Though we almost weren’t able to compare, as the Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) did not include the Robinson invocation in the HBO special. (They say it will be broadcast later, it seems.) So CT has the scoop. Judge for yourself…



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robroy

posted January 20, 2009 at 11:32 am


The insipid prayer to a generic deity: “O god of our many understandings.” Another good example how the once Christian Episcopalian denomination is now the Unitarian church in vestments. Implicit in the invocation is the line that “all paths lead to the same mountain top.” Which superficially might sound profound but is, secundus facia, just specious words.



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baronsabato

posted January 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm


Oh give me a break robroy. When praying for an interfaith audience, then yes, Bishop Robinson does indeed use more inclusive language for this prayer. And since the United States of America is a country with many different understandings and faiths, then this is appropriate for Robinson to do, particularly since we do not want to make the USA into an idol (which so many Christians tend to do). You can be sure, however, that outside of pluralistic gatherings such as this one that the Episcopal church continues to pray and worship with exclusively Christian liturgy and language. So unless one thinks that Christianity should become the “civil religion”, the idolatrous and blasphemous mix of secularism and Christian “faith”, I believe the compromise Bishop Robinson and other Christian leaders involved in the inauguration made in praying for and with all American citizens is best.



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Your Name

posted January 20, 2009 at 1:42 pm


Ah, there’s that good ole “Christian” charity (TM) we’ve come to know so well.



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ducdebrabant

posted January 20, 2009 at 2:08 pm


In order, supposedly, to heal the feelings of gay people about the Warren invocation, the transition team invited Bishop Robinson to deliver the invocation at the Lincoln Memorial concert. They did not do so, however, without first waiting two entire weeks for the pain of gay people to be felt by themselves and approvingly noted by their enemies. There was surely no reason to dither, but dither they did before inviting a notable gay supporter of Obama to officiate. Nothing marred the Sister Souljah moment of the Warren invitation or the message to homophobes that Obama doesn’t really like gay people all that much. And the Robinson invocation wasn’t permitted to mar it either. This is an extremely competent transition team, and I very much doubt that it was an oversight on their part when the Right Reverend Bishop Robinson was hidden from the television audience for the Lincoln Memorial concert.



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robroy

posted January 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm


Mr. Robinson states,
“All I could think of was If I were a Jew, a Christian, a Hindu I would feel so excluded. I would be screaming at the tv set – hey what about me!”
Nonsense. This is precisely the wrong way to be inclusive. Why is it the liberals are ashamed to utter the name Jesus. So what they do is water down the religion to an insipid broth and give vacuous prayers to generic deities. The right way is to invite Christians who give Christian prayers, Hindus who give Hindu prayers, etc. If someone is offended by a Hindu giving a prayer for Mr. Obama, then that’s their problem. I, as an evangelical Christian, would thank them for their heartfelt prayers for our new president.
Mr. Obama’s attempt to bring both sides to the table will fail because of the fact that the homosexualists like Mr. ducdebrabant don’t want Christians at the table. They want to excluded us. Hence, the tiring and boring shrill cries of “Hateful”, “Bigots”, “We are victims.”



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David Q. Cooke

posted January 20, 2009 at 4:31 pm


Robroy’s comments are just more of the same self-righteous divisive claptrap that the president has declared pase. If your idea of spirituality requires deeming differing spiritual prespectives as inferior (or just bad and wrong), your welcome to that perspective. I’d call that arrogant. I’m proud to stand up for a perspective that allows for human understanding of ultimate reality to progress through the combined contributions of a world of people each claiming their own connection to the divine and each pursuing a unique, free and responsible search for truth and meaning.
Pretending to have clear-cut, ultimate answers that apply to everybody without clear evidence is lazy.



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robroy

posted January 20, 2009 at 8:09 pm


“Robroy’s comments are just more of the same self-righteous divisive claptrap that the president has declared pase [sic].”
First of all, Mr. Obama would say that declaring whether this or that religion is passé is above his pay grade.
Second, all the world’s great religion declare themselves to be correct and the others incorrect. Now, I don’t have a problem with this, but Mr. Cooke does, so he proposes a new religion. His new religion declares categorically that there is no categorical truths. He then disappears in a cloud of illogic.
Jesus declares, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through me.” The Quran states that if you die in jihad (according to some by blowing yourself up with a bunch of Israeli civilians in a coffeeshop), you go to heaven with 72 virgins. Some swami states that you reach nirvana by sitting on a mountain doing yoga. These are incompatible truth claims (and arrogant according to Mr. Cooke). So what does Mr. Cooke and his Unitarians friends do? They create a new, incompatible truth claim by ignoring the incompatibilities and creating de novo religion that claims to be a mixture of the immiscible previous religions. And are we surprised when this “religion” which is founded in relativism fails to be more than a small social club?



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rich

posted January 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm


maybe i went to sleep… but i didnt see any catholic offical invited to say a prayer at any event…. 60 million strong isnt important enough…



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Your Name

posted January 22, 2009 at 4:43 am


According to the website of the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations:
“The Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) is a religious organization that combines two traditions: the Universalists, who organized in 1793, and the Unitarians, who organized in 1825. They consolidated into the UUA in 1961.”
During my 17 years in Roman Catholic educational institutions, I was told that I should be wary of the impulse to make important choices based on what’s popular. So tell me robroy, is Unitarian Universalism bad because it has fewer adherents than some other denomination or because one might find friends among its adherents?
Should Christianity be deprecated in favor of Judaism because Paul and Emperor Constantine organized it de novo a mere 1680-1979 years ago?
I’ve never read or heard of Unitarian Universalist leaders describing their faith as a mixture of other religions. The UUA website says: “Unitarian Universalism is a caring, open-minded religion that encourages you to seek your own spiritual path. Our Faith draws on many religious traditions, welcoming people with different beliefs. We are united by shared values, not by creed or dogma.”
From what I’ve experienced of Unitarian Universalism, consitent with the preceding quote, its congregations welcome people who believe that Jesus is the only Son of God and that this belief is necessary for anyone to avoid hell. Apparently, however, you won’t hear these beliefs affirmed any more than some conflicting beliefs in Unitarian Universalist services.



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