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Coalition Against Reality: Deconstructing an Attack on the Hindu American Foundation

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Principled opposition is expected when litigating issues in the public square, and the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) , for which I serve as the Senior Director, has at times faced stiff opposition from the right and left of the ideological spectrum in response to various positions, reports, and statements released by HAF. Recently, in our campaign to oppose what we believe to be a Hinduphobic, Anti-India Resolution, (H. Res. 417), an ostensible coalition calling itself the Coalition Against Genocide, and made up of far fewer member organizations than it claims, struck again. It has lodged some pretty inflammatory allegations against HAF — calling us “Hindu Supremacists” and trying to link HAF with the Hindutva movement in India. While those of us amongst the old guard at HAF are used to ad hominems from time to time, I was especially touched by the reaction shared by Nicholas O’Connell, a member of of our Executive Council, who will soon join the master’s program in South Asian Studies with a concentration in History at Columbia University, has been a long-time blogger , and is really the next generation of HAF’s leadership. So, I share his thoughts with you.

The Coalition Against Genocide (CAG) recently authored a report, in which they seek to associate the Hindu American Foundation with various Hindu Nationalist organizations, and furthermore brand us with the unflattering label of “Hindutva supremacist.” The accusations are serious, but thankfully easy to refute. We take our commitments to uphold pluralism, defend human rights, and maintain our political independence very seriously, and our track record speaks for itself. However, since this is not the first time the CAG has come forward with such allegations, their claims warrant a detailed examination.

According to the CAG, the fact that some of HAF’s leadership was involved with Vishwa Hindu Parishad America affiliated groups during high school and college is evidence that we are a Sangh Parivar front group with a narrow, Hindutva perspective. They allege that we make an effort to “eliminate the voices of the oppressed majority within Hinduism- Dalits and women” and conceive of Hinduism as “a political rather than a religious identity where India becomes the ‘natural’ and exclusive home of Hindus.” This Hindutva supremacism is what allegedly inspires much of our activism, particularly our challenge of the portrayal of the Aryan Invasion in California textbooks.

Hindutva Affiliation: Firstly, it is true that a few HAF leaders participated in VHPA affiliated student groups during high school and college. This is not surprising, considering that the vast majority of well-organized, national Hindu student organizations that existed in the 1970′s and 1980′s had VHPA affiliation. This speaks more to the dearth of active Hindu groups in the United States at that time, than to the present ideological orientation of our organization. I had the opportunity to attend more rigorous philosophically oriented Hindu camps in rural Pennsylvania, for example, but those opportunities simply did not exist 25 years ago. Some HAF leaders were indeed among the thousands of teens who attended VHPA affiliated summer camps, and volunteered in their affiliated student groups, but CAG’s conclusion that as a result HAF promotes “Hindu supremacism” is truly strange. HAF’s current team spans both the political and religious spectrum, most of whom have a distaste for Indian politics of any sort, and none of whom espouse Hindutva politics. Never have my colleagues pressured me ideologically, and such pressure would certainly be seen as bizarre and unacceptable by our staff.

I personally find left and right wing politics to be equally distasteful, but I do have strong sympathy for reform oriented Hindu movement such as Arya and Brahmo Samaj. Spiritually, I find the most meaning in schools such as Samkhya, Tantra, and the Naastikas, which are all minority viewpoints in current Hindu discourse. On my website I frequently offer critiques of traditional Hindu gender roles, and write on such subjects as Lokayata(materialism) and Muslim feminism. Given my spiritual and political stances, I, along with most of my colleagues, would probably be purged from an organization which actually promoted “Hindutva supremacy.”

Caste and Women: The CAG asserts that in the eyes of HAF, Dalits are “not seen as deserving of any defense.” A simple search of our website will turn up multiple statements advocating for Dalit access rights to Hindu temples, a statement commending the U.S. Congress for drawing attention to the plight of Dalits, and multiple statements by Hindu religious figures condemning of caste discrimination. Pravrajika Vrajaprana perhaps put it best in her observation that, “It is a tragic irony that Hinduism, whose scriptures contain soaring evocations of the unity of existence and the oneness of all life, should also have been the locus of caste-based discrimination…The Hindu traditions assert that the divine dwells within the heart of every being. Knowing this to be true, those in the Hindu traditions should join together to remove the stain of this long-standing injustice.”

Similarly, a simple search of our website will turn up articles advocating the empowerment of women, and condemnations of misogynistic violence. Claims that we are an anti-Dalit and anti-women organization are made all the more absurd by the medical aid which the HAF has provided to Pakistani Hindu refugees, whose female population is notoriously vulnerable to rape, and the vast majority of whom are Dalits.

Aryan Invasion Skepticism: The authors of the CAG report assert that HAF’s effort to contest the dominance of Aryan Invasion theory in public school textbooks must be fundamentally rooted in Hindu Nationalist ideology. The claim seems to be divorced from the intellectual history of the Aryan Invasion concept. To take a notable example of how the CAG narrative misses the mark, the highly respected Dalit activist, and Buddhist leader, B.R. Ambedkar, was an early opponent of the Aryan Invasion theory. In fact, Ambedkar’s primary opponents were Hindu Nationalists who sought to glorify their Aryan ancestors as a race of heroic conquerors. Ambedkar undercut Brahmin and Kshatriya supremacism by arguing for the common genetic lineage of all Indians.

While the final answer to the Aryan puzzle may be yet to come, in the scholarly community Aryan Invasion theory has already evolved from a narrative centering on warfare and subjugation, to several different competing theories of Aryan Migration. In light of modern genetic research, Aryan Migration theory also has to contend with the possibility of Indigenous Aryans. The notion that our efforts to compel public schools to present the full range of scholarly opinion on Bronze Age Indian history constitutes “Hindutva supremacism” seems ludicrous.

HAF has already put out a report exposing CAG’s affiliations with violent groups. It is true that many leaders of the Coalition Against Genocide have advocated violence, either in the name of proletarian revolution, or jihad. However, in my estimation it is likely that many members of CAG’s constituent groups are genuinely concerned with social justice, and the alleviation of oppression of minorities. I would encourage those individuals to actually read some of HAF’s material and determine for yourselves if we are truly your enemy.



  • http://HAFisnotaffiliatedwithHindutva!Seriously??? Amar Desai

    “Some HAF leaders were indeed among the thousands of teens who attended VHPA affiliated summer camps, and volunteered in their affiliated student groups, but CAG’s conclusion that as a result HAF promotes “Hindu supremacism” is truly strange.”

    Give me a break! Mihir Meghani, the founder of HAF was on the governing board of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America. He is on record admitting to having attended several Vishwa Sangh Shibirs (training camps) organized by the RSS in Baroda, Gujarat. He was on the VHP-A governing board till his late 20s/early 30s and formulated many of the Hindutva oriented projects as a VHP board member.

    Rishi Bhutada, another founding board member of HAF developed the VHPA program for Hindu Heritage camps. He belongs to a hard core Hindutva family and his father has been the Vice President of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, which makes no qualms about its Hindutva orientation.

    Padma Kuppa, another HAF board member is associated with another VHP America project called the Hindu Mandir Executive Conference, which is designed to bring temples in the United States under the control of the Sangh.

    “HAF’s current team spans both the political and religious spectrum, most of whom have a distaste for Indian politics of any sort, and none of whom espouse Hindutva politics.”

    Seriously! Is that why the Mr. Meghani, a founding board member and erstwhile President of HAF wrote the “Hindutva Manifesto” which the Hindu Nationalist BJP found it sufficiently impressive and in line with its ideology to be published on its own party website?

    There should be a limit to lying Sheetal!

  • Aseem Shukla

    Amar,

    The points you raise are nearly verbatim from the “report” that the folks calling themselves CAG posted online and comprehensively rebutted by HAF in their own report. As you’ll see, the authors behind the recent attacks on HAF openly subscribe to a radical, militant ideology that shocks Americans and finds no harbor here.

    You can repeat tired, false allegations about what HAF leaders believe–or what their fathers believe (!)–that mean nothing, or answer which Hindu organization in America has taken a more progressive position in the public square than HAF. We can talk incessantly about how stupid and McCarthyesque it is to allege that thousands of Hindu temple executives from across the country are lemmings coming “under control of the Sangh” because they attend a national conference, or you can say whether you agree or don’t agree with HAF’s progressive positions on human rights abuses, denouncing caste-based discrimination, tracking hate crimes, religious liberty, feminism, support of gay rights and on and on.

    Stop worrying about the specter of Hindutva–whatever that means to you–infusing the work of second generation Hindu Americans and thousands of Americans that support HAF, and listen to Nicholas: examine HAF’s position on issues affecting Hindus in America and then decide if you should support them.

  • M Patel

    Amar,

    It makes complete sense that a Hindu Advocacy group will attract pro-Hindus, and an anti-Hindu group will attract anti-Hindus.

    Rather then dwelling on opinions, guilt by association trick & hearsay (e.g. Amar or Mihir is associated with some anti or pro hindu group). Why not look at facts and actions?

  • Dr. O. P. Sudrania

    Western society suffers from two complex problems: 1. White skin linked to beauty in human psyche. 2. Christianity faction in Abrahamics. Both have led them to believe that they “must” be a ‘superior’ race. I shall not touch on Arya Invasion or Migration Theory, suffice to say that Arya word appears in ancient Hindu scriptures on several times. Geeta states it.

    Coming to caste in Hinduism, It’s the Abrahamics and politicians who are interested in caste in India. One for predatory proselytisation and the other for vote bank politics respectively. I recall the slogan of General Zia ul Haq, Pak, “Give the dog a bad name, then kill it”. His dictum was used in Kashmir to flush the valley of Hindus in 1989-90 and it’s still continuing.

    Lastly, if these fellows are so concerned for caste in Hindus, “Why the Abrahamics have castes in their religion”? Justice Balakrishnana had asked this very question to the Church leaders when they filed a case in Supreme Court (Ind), “First you accept that there are castes and untouchables in Christians”. They ran away, with their advocacy that the Abrahamics are egalitarian religions. Nmre discussion. Now they are indulging in Goebbelsian propagandas. One more important point that differentiate these Abrahamics from Hinduism is that telling lies is “SIN” in Hinduism Vis a Vis Abrahamics. They consider it justified to serve their immediate needs. This is preposterous and the very root cause of these needless blames. Very unfortunate…

  • Ramdas Lamb

    Mr. Desai,

    As M. Patel suggested, “guilt by association trick & hearsay” sidestep the issues. Why not look at what HAF actually does today. I have been working with and studying the lives of bottom caste villagers in India for nearly 4 decades, and no Hindu or other organization has been more active in supporting my efforts than has HAF. I have known Mihir Meghani and the people who started HAF for close to a decade, and their efforts to bring fairness to Hindu minorities is tireless. The people involved in CAG are good at throwing stones and casting blame, but what are they doing to actually bring people together to make positive changes for minority Hindus? HAF is making a difference, so I’ll take its actions over CAG’s hateful rhetoric any day.

  • http://ConcernedaboutthefutureofIndianAmericans Satya Jyoti

    I have watched with interest the very public spat between Coalition Against Genocide (CAG), and the Hindu American Foundation (HAF). Its ironic that both organizations claim to stand for human rights and pluralism, while attacking each other for secretly harboring militant agendas.

    Its really not important for me whether all the constituents of CAG are registered and have a website, or whether HAF board members have relatives that adhere to a supremacist ideology. We don’t get to choose our relatives.

    What is important for me, as an Indian American and as a parent are the following:

    1. Although HAF has rightly highlighted the persecution of Hindu minorities in several countries, it sounds like a bunch of apologists on the subject of persecution of minorities in India. Whether it’s the Gujarat pogrom of 2002 or the anti-Christian massacres of 2007, HAF’s position has been at variance with international human rights organizations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. HAF issues politically correct statements of abhorring the violence, while seeking to “contextualize” it, almost as an excuse for those who seek to pursue a majoritarian agenda

    2. Its not clear why HAF often finds common cause with organizations like Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America. I was puzzled when HAF decided to defend known hate-monger Sadhvi Rithambara. Even if HAF has in its rank some Hindutva sympathizers, avoiding Rithambara like the plague should have been a no-brainer. What value does HAF find in supporting Rithambara efforts to raise funds from unsuspecting Hindu Americans? Rithambara is running an elaborate supremacist apparatus in India, with organizations like Durga Vahini. In case you don’t know Rithambara has been arrested several times in India for her hateful rhetoric that is often a prelude to violence against minorities.

    3. HAF issued a paper opposing caste based discrimination. However in terms of practical work for the upliftment of Dalits who have been suffering from caste oppression for centuries, HAF has never joined hands with major Dalit organizations.

    4. HAF is glossing over Mihir Meghani’s article on Hindutva as something he wrote during his teens. Why won’t Dr. Meghani repudiate the article and let everyone know what he really thinks of Hindutva? Does he still speak fondly of the mob that “took the law into their hands” in order to demolish the Babri Masjid?

    Again, as an Indian American and as a parent, I am concerned that the caste-based and majoritarian rhetoric that is tearing the social fabric in India, is also dividing the Indian community right here in the US.

  • Jai Hind

    HAF supported Sadhvi Rithambhra in the past, everybody knows about it.Sadhvi ritambhra was there on that day at the time of Babri Masjid demoltion. Sadhvi’s hate speeches against all minorities are all over on You Tube.
    HAF Supported mass killer Modi who justified the riots on the national channel saying “for every action there is a reaction” HAF supports BJP Hindu communal party whose agenda is to bring Hindutva in India. It is written on BJP website. BJP is the polarising party in India. Swamy one of BJP leaders openly said in Indian News channel that they want to divide muslims so that their vote can’t be used as a block.
    I am not sure why HAF is lying all along. Just say what you are. What is the point of hiding yourself.

  • Tunde

    HAF is justifying being a member of VHP and RSS is a norm in the school and colleges.
    I want to know HAF view of RSS and VHP now. It is to be noted that assasin of Mahatma Gandhi was a member of RSS. RSS wanted to kill all the secular leader and to this date RSS don’t like any secular leader no matter what their religion is. RSS supports Hindutva and Hindu Supremacy. They want India as a Hindu nation where no other religion has a place. All the killings of Christian missionaries and other killings of christian has RSS hand. Also, Bajrang Dal and abhinav bharat another off shoot of RSS and BJP openly killed christians in Orissa, Bajrang Dal leaders burnt christian missionary and his sons alive in Ooty, India. This is RSS and VHP. HAF justifies being the member of RSS and VHP.
    RSS. VHP, Bajrang Dal, Abhinav Bharat are off shoots of BJP, most communal party in India. This is a shame. Organizations like HAF should not be operating in USA. Their work is to spread hatred by supporting hate-mongers in india and other part of the world

  • Saleem

    Hinduism is a great religion.
    I have lot of hindu friends. Organizations like HFA mix Hindutva with Hinduism. I think HAF’s only agenda is to spread hatred by supporting divisive politics.
    To all HAF council/Board
    Please don’t spread hate neither in USA nor in India. We have enough hate in this world. In Geeta Bhagwan Krishan said “love every human being because i am in every human being”.
    By supporting communal leaders HAF indirectly carries out riots and mass killings of other human beings. No matter what religion they belong to.
    Please and please if you can’t spread love don’t spread hate.
    I hope HAF board members and council will take a serious note of that.

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  • Aseem Shukla

    @Satya Jyoti, appreciate your comments and concerns.

    As a Hindu advocacy organization, highlighting the plight of Hindus globally is a unique responsibility by which HAF has filled an oft-ignored lacuna http://www.hafsite.org/resources/human_rights_report .

    As a result of a decade of meticulous and rigorous research, HAF’s report is cited by USCIRF, the State Department and several other human rights entities. HAF leaders respect and collaborate with Amnesty International, IRF Roundtable and several other much larger bodies. HAF does not have the reach or resources to cover every possible human rights tragedy in India that occur every year, but the HAF report complements the work of larger bodies. HAF rarely fails to condemn major acts of violence in the name of religion in India. I would be distressed if you were to imply that condemning the Godhra train burning or the murder of Swami Laxmanananda as the proximate causes of the horrible communal violence in Gujarat and Odisha (that HAF condemned), respectively, is tantamount to apologism!

    HAF issued a single press release in 2010 substantiating the right of a Hindu temple in New Jersey to host a religious lecture expounding on the Srimad Bhagvatam by Sadhvi Rithambara. You are entitled to your opinion about the Sadhvi, but her charitable work is well known and HAF has never endorsed her political activism.

    I am shocked that after reading HAF’s unprecedented 163 page report on caste based discrimination, you accuse HAF of not doing more!
    http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/not-cast-caste-big-picture-and-executive-summary

    Please see the comment above from Prof. Ramdas Lamb whose Sahayog Foundation working with the erstwhile Scheduled Caste Satnami community is, quite simply, breathtaking, and supported by HAF leaders http://wpsahayog.sahayogfoundation.org/wordpress/

    And read about the medical camps HAF sponsors and actually directly carries out on the ground in Jodhpur and Bhutan refugee camps and every year at the Ahmedabad Civil Hospital that are primarily availed by members of the SC communities. The HAF website is replete with detailed descriptions of this work. HAF is profoundly committed to highlighting and supporting the work of every contemporary Hindu spiritual leader who is tirelessly working towards the end of the scourge of caste based discrimination wherever it exists in India, and their words are carried in the HAF report that I hope you will read in detail before dismissing HAF’s engagement in this issue.

    Finally, I am a bit surprised that your concerns over one of HAF’s co-founders, Dr. Meghani, did not spur you to examine the HAF website prior to writing your query about his ideology. Dr. Meghani specifically addressed this same concern when HAF was attacked by our friends at CAG in 2005-2006 during the California textbook controversy. Dr. Meghani’s response was published in India Abroad http://www.hafsite.org/media/letters/20060217_indiaabroad_california

    The letter is reproduced here for your benefit. I do hope that this information allays your concerns about HAF, and you will join hands in working with this organization. As a parent, please do inform your children about the HAF essay contest, Diwali toolbox for school and HAF Congressional Internship program for college aged children.

    Dr. Meghani’s letter:

    March 9, 2006

    Dear Editor,

    Since launching in 2003, the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) has worked with groups representing most major religions and mainstream ideologies to promote understanding, tolerance and pluralism. HAF continues to serve the community as demonstrated by its strong track record in taking a Hindu American voice to the Supreme Court and the U.S. Congress in matters involving religious liberty and human rights, and to the media in presenting balanced coverage of Hinduism.

    HAF seeks to be objective to external problems facing Hindus such as terrorism and fraudulent conversion while at the same time being honest about problems within Hindu society such as caste discrimination and violence such as that witnessed in Gujarat in 2002. HAF’s track record includes expressing sadness over the death of Pope John Paul II, condemning Indian temples that ban entry of Dalit/Harijan (“untouchable”) Hindus and Hindus of non-Indian descent, and more recently, supporting an accurate and fair portrayal of Islam in European newspapers.

    It has been claimed that I wrote an essay for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) entitled, “BJP: The Great Hindu Nationalist Ideology.” As a history major at the University of Michigan in the early 1990s, I did write an essay that reflected my personal thoughts on the Hindu nationalist movement that was sweeping India. This essay was neither for public distribution nor written for the BJP. I have no knowledge of how a similar essay with my name was later published on the BJP website nor can I verify that similar versions appearing on the web have not been altered or modified. The BJP did remove my name from the essay on its website per my request as I do not stand by what is written.

    After graduating from medical school and beginning my career, I left Hindu groups I was earlier involved with and came together with other Hindu Americans who shared my belief in the need for an independent, moderate and credible Hindu American voice not associated with Indian politics that would work to correct problems within Hindu society itself as well as promote a balanced understanding of Hindu traditions in the west. From these interactions, HAF was formed.

    I am but one member of a large team of dedicated Hindu Americans at HAF. The essay I wrote nearly fifteen years ago representing some of the views I held as a teenager cannot be held up as representative of my views now or the views of the Hindu American Foundation. The recent personal attacks against me are false and are clearly meant to divert attention from real issues facing the community today such as terrorism, social problems, human rights, and the portrayal of our culture, religions, and history.

    Sincerely,

    Mihir Meghani, M.D.
    President
    Hindu American Foundation

  • http://AseemShukla,pleaseexplainyourweirddefenseof2002killings Ramesh Raghavendra

    I recall reading Aseem’s blogs on Sulekha after the 2002 massacre and to be honest I was unpleasantly shocked by his views and defensiveness of the horror. Instead of calling for justice for thousands of victims Aseem was blaming Human Rights Watch for its damning indictment of Modi government.

  • Aseem Shukla

    @Ramesh Raghavendra

    Are you referring to a 12 years old piece where I wrote that, “Murder and mayhem in Gujarat was moral bankruptcy incarnate,” and also wrote that, “Clearly police in Ahmedabad were often unable to control the mayhem in the early hours: over 30,000 rioters were reported to have attacked Gulmarg Society alone. And certainly despicable individuals in the police, inexcusably blinded by the rage of the moment, may have participated with the rioters in the first 24 hours.”

    I hardly showed “defensiveness of the horror” as you allege, and instead, comprehensively dissected a hurriedly written Human Rights Watch report by Smita Narula.

    I note that my criticism primarily of the methodology of a poor HRW report–a report written in the hazy aftermath of the riots when investigations had not even begun–was precocious: the Indian Supreme Court’s own Special Investigative Team echoed my findings.

    As I wrote then, a poorly researched HRW report based almost entirely on hearsay and no serious investigation of the events leading to the riots, inexcusably vitiated an already tense atmosphere in the riot aftermath. But organizations such as HRW carry a heavy responsibility to offer credible insight into such events–a responsibility that I believed was shirked in the HRW report.

    I wrote then, and believe today, that the riots in Gujarat were an abomination–and I agreed with then Prime Minister Vajpayee, that the riots were a shame for the nation. I am relieved that 249 people have been convicted for their roles in the riots, and pray that anyone who committed atrocities during those riots is similarly convicted.

    Note also that I wrote the piece you mention well before HAF was even established, and the views written then were entirely my own as an American observer.

    And in that, lies my entreaty to you: Do not judge HAF for what I wrote or any one person in HAF may have written before HAF was established 10 years ago. Judge HAF on its decade old record of accomplishments that is the result of the spirited, dedicated and untiring work of eight full-time staff members, the Executive Council, Board and thousands of supporters and members across the country.

  • M Patel

    @Ramesh @Saleem @Satya

    Have you read Coalition For Genocide’s articles on Godhra Massacre? Are you appalled by it or do you still believe that it was an accident and victims (i.e. mostly women, children, & senior citizens) were hindu-believers who deserved it?

  • M Patel

    Difference:
    There is a huge difference between HAF and CAG. HAF is a hindu advocacy group. Therefore, it is not duty-bound to highlight plight of Non-Hindus.
    On the other hand, CAG itself is very S. Asian. Therefore, it is duty-bound to highlight all genocide but refuses to do so. They don’t even have an article on bigger killings like Hindu genocide in Bangladesh, Indian Kashmir, Pak Punjab, & Sindh. Hindus being targeted by whole host of Supremacist terror groups like Christian terrrorism in NorthEast India, Maoist terrorism in central india, Islamist terrorism etc. Since 1980s, According to Govt. of India report, Terrorism is responsible for avg. 1600 deaths per year in India. This makes India 2nd largest victim of terrorism after Iraq but CAG is not bothered by it. Even it’s irrational focus on 2002 gujarat riot is extremely partisan. CAG is duty-bound to cover Hindu plight during 2002 riots but it actually did a coverup. It’s website gives the impression that 0 Hindus, many christians, & thousands of muslims died in 2002 riots, Godhra Massacre isn’t a massacre, it fails to shed even crocodile tears for 58 victims, mostly women, children & Sr. Citizens, killed at godhra. CAGs irrational propaganda is exposed by facts found in official govt. reports, Supreme Court monitored Investigations, & High court judgements. The truth is about 280+ hindus, 0 christians, & 780+ muslims died, Godhra massacre is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

  • http://AseemShukla's2002defenseofModigovernment. Ramesh Raghavendra

    Aseem,
    First, thank you for taking the trouble to write a detailed response. Unfortunately your attempt to wash over the issue is insincere.

    What prompted you to begin that article with a vigorous defense of Modi when even th emainstream Indian media was condemning him for playing more than a facilitating role in the genocide? (I underdstand you will never use this word to describe what the RSS and its bloodthirsty hoodlums visited upon hapless Muslim men, women and children in February-March 2002).

    What made you start the article thus!??
    ——-
    “‘Dial M. Modi for Murder’
    ‘Modi: the Butcher of Gujarat’

    - The Times of India

    The embers of the Godhra aftermath have not been extinguished, yet another round of killing has begun. Call it a character assassination — for nothing less than the humiliation, disintegration and disembowelment of a Chief Minister, the ruling political party, the vernacular press and an entire population is incessantly being pursued. Exhibit A — the headlines at the start of this article. Presented as a foregone conclusion, sections of the Indian media cavalierly usurp the role of judge, jury and executioner. Libelous accusations are being concocted; a wicked application of Newton’s Law is fraudulently attributed to Modi ad nauseam despite repeated denials. ”
    —SOURCE: http://creative.sulekha.com/the-hrw-report-on-gujarat-another-assassination_100472_blog

    Clearly Aseem you were first and foremost condemning those who lashed out against Modi. How did you know he was innocent? You claim the SIT found him “innocent” of culpability in the genocide. Are you not being a bit more than dishonest here with the truth? The SIT has been criticized by human rights groups as well as police officers including many high ranking individuals who have since turned whistle blowers, for acting as a “cleanup crew” for Modi rather than a genuine investigative body intent on seeking the truth behind the terrible massacres.

    And how is it that in all of your writings you fail to even mildly refer to the RSS and its various organizations – which had a well-documented role in the brutalities – while expressing such outrage at the media for blasting Modi?

    Yes it is known that in 2002 HAF was still not formed; but clearly you have shown that the HAF’s founders include individuals such as yourself, well heeled in the art of subterfuge on behalf of Hindutva.

    Please come clean on why you preferred to defend Modi, and blast HRW, why you preferred to ruminate on “Gujarati rage” rather than on the incredible trauma of women and men reduced to smouldering, raped and violated bodies. You as a doctor who posed smiling with Modi ought to have thought of that credo “do no harm” – when you decided to cast your lot with the worst violators of human rights.

  • http://sdafsd NOT abrahamic bigot

    Sheetal why are you going into the defensive to hypocrites unnecessarily ?

    Stay strong my hindu sister. Abrahamic bigots like islamic supremacists have conniving agenda to put hindus below their feet. The christian proseyltizing conversion racket and traitor jai chand type naxalwadi hindus will gleefully support anti-hindu policies for their own vested interests.

    Why doesn’t the CAG put strong against against massacres and mutliple genocides of hindus in pakistan, bangladesh and muslim majority areas in india. Why is Joe pitt who was implicated by the FBI of receiving huge funds from the pakistan’s ISI one of the main sponsor of this hindu hating resolution. And I don’t need to tell anything about rep. Keith Ellison whose links with islamic terrorists, oil rich middle eastern advocacy groups and their apologists is pretty much obvious.

    Religious violence in all forms is condemnable. But it appears the likes of CAG over-exagerate death of ~700 muslims and 300 hindus (which was iniated by muslims buring a train full of women and child hindu pilgrims) over multitudes of one sided genocides of hindus in 1971, 1965, 1953(bangladesh), 1989(kashmir), 1974 (north east india christian fanatics) and 2000′s – All of them in South Asia. Not surprising why the CAG NEVER passed ONE resolution against islamist governments which have denies rights to it’s hindu and other non-muslim citizens.

    The hindus whose tolerance made them accept India to became secular are now being abused by abrahamic fanatics in the name of the very same tolerance. CAG can first make numerous christian and muslim nations secular with equal rights and protection of life for hindus there and THEN comment from an high horse. Until then, HAF should make it clear that hindus aren’t it’s doormat.

    The vested interests are terribly apparent here.

  • http://sdafsd NOT abrahamic bigot

    Hindus have given refuge to presecuted syrian orthodox, jews, armenian orthodox, the parsis and many other who were persecuted by muslims or even other sects of christianity. But yet, for 1000 years we bore the brunt of abrahamic aggression from islamic invaders like Ghazni, Ghori, Aurangzeb who proudly claim creating mountains of skulls of infidel hindu children. (Note: Ghazni, Aurangzeb etc. are heroes in many islamic countries)And christian fanatics like portugese inquisition in goa. The pseudo-secularist communists have white washed the deeds of invaders and have instead potrayed Hindus as the BAD guys. It is time us hindus become more proactive to defend ourselves even against traitors of our own kind.

    How did the population of hindus in pakistan which was between 20 – 30% in pakistan suddenly become below 1%, why is the world ignoring these genocides. Human rights organizations mention of numerous kidnappings of hindu women in muslim majority regions of India let alone pakistan. And not to mention the fact majority of terror attacks in India are conducted by muslims with help from outside forces.

    Apparently no such resolutions were been lobbied to be passed by any organization INCLUDING OUR OWN SANGUINE HAF let alone CAG. It is high time HAF turns into the OFFENSIVE and turns more AGGRESSIVE in it’s lobbying programs. The muslims and their fellow abrahamic friends of OIC can get away with ANNHILATION of non-islamic populations from their nations while showing the finger and putting every fault on the hindus whom they find faults with a microscope. There’s a saying in Arabic that goes in the lines of – “Go hit the other guy, and then run faster to tell that the other guy hit you first”. Sooner we have to understand their mentality, i.e. play victim while being the bigger aggressor. This is hypocrisy at it’s finest.

    The islamic books clearly give the idea of perpetual war against non-muslims, until world domination and full conversion of muslims are acheived. To them all lies and tactics are justified as war strategy. Unfortunately for hindus, hindus don’t demarcate between non-hindus vs hindus because of it’s universality. It is high time hindus end this one sided tolerance and take a policy of reciprocated tolerance instead of unconditional and infinite kindness in order to get into the good books of others. By showing unconditional one sided tolerance, the arms of islamic fanatics in the US are taking hindus as a joke to be exploited.

    Research about the people behind CAG they overlap with the people who were against recognition of Armenian genocide by Turkish islamists !

    It is interesting to find that the lobby groups yelling “Americans are too *islamophobic*” are the same ones spreading anti-hindu, anti-buddhist, anti-armenian christian and hinduphobic agenda.

    HAF please learn more from our Armenian Orthodox lobby.

    Hari om sister sheetal.

  • http://sdafsd Anahita Pirbey

    The resolution smelled fishy ever since it was introduced. It’s agenda sounded like an islamic country like Pakistan interfering in another secular south asian country by using the american congress as a tool. Ofcourse they can find plenty of tools among Indian community here in the US, as Indians are a divisive lot by blood. But Americans ? Ah bit disappointed, as this is not what our bible and lord jesus teaches us.

    We shouldn’t be doing this favor to people who hide osama. India on the other hand pays the brunt of islamic terror several times worse than our 9/11.

    The people introducing those resolutions are well known corrupt assholes. Keith on the otherhand is a dogmatic fundamentalist who only cares for the dole he receives from his islamic paymasters. What saddens me is that this dubious duo had convinced to fool several other GOP and democrats.

    NATO has turned to the dark side recently. Supporting Jamaat in bangladesh who were known for genocides of hindus and other minorities like buddhists and christians in bangladesh. Even worse is their support for Islamic rebels who are massacring shia muslims and syrian christian minorities.

    Have Americans lost all morals in their quest for oil ?

    Sheetal, we would be glad if HAF becomes proactive and joins hands with other religions to support resolutions for protecting non-islamic minorities in muslim dominated nations.

    Keep fighting hard Sheetal, we are with you.

  • http://pojpj.com Anahita Pirbey

    The resolution smelled fishy ever since it was introduced. More like another south asian enemy Pakistan interfering in another sovereign country by using the american congress as a tool. Ofcourse they can find plenty of tools among Indian community here in the US, as Indians are a divisive lot.

    We shouldn’t be doing this favor to people who hide osama. India on the other hand pays the brunt of islamic terror several times worse than our 9/11.

    The people introducing those resolutions are well known corrupt assholes. Keith on the otherhand is a dogmatic fundamentalist who only cares for the dole he receives from his islamic paymasters. What saddens me is that this dubious duo had convinced to fool several other GOP and democrats.

    NATO has turned to the dark side recently. Supporting Jamaat in bangladesh who were known for genocides of hindus and other minorities like buddhists and christians in bangladesh. Even worse is their support for Islamic rebels who are massacring shia muslims and syrian christian minorities.

    Have Americans lost all morals in their quest for oil ?

    Keep fighting hard Sheetal, we are with you.

  • Proud Indian

    @Aseem,

    In your resposne to @Satya, you justified HAF’s support for Rithambara’s fundraiser in the following words:

    “You are entitled to your opinion about the Sadhvi, but her charitable work is well known and HAF has never endorsed her political activism.”

    Yes Aseem, and your are entitled to your opinion about the Sadhvi too. “Never endorsed her political activism” in this case also equates to “never opposed.”

    Some of the most violent and extremist groups in the world, are also engaged in charity, since that’s what often gives them the grassroots based for their larger, more nefarious objectives.

    Would you be OK with supporting a fundraiser for a Christian missionary group engaged in crucial charity work in Indi, if you don’t have to endorse their missionary activity?

    If you are going to have any credibility in your efforts to combat persecution of Hindu minorities in several countries, you need to categorically distance yourself, from rabid Hindutva elements (whatever your personal views on Hindutva may be). Condemn not only Rithambara, but also RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal for the poison they are infusing into the Indian polity.

    It may be hard for you to condemn a fellow Hindu. But this is akin to the dilemma that Arjun was faced with on the battlefield against his cousins.

    Speaking up for truth and justice regardless of the religious affiliation of the victim and perpetrator, would be the right tribute to the Hindu ethos.

  • Aseem Shukla

    @proud Indian:

    HAF has not worked to ban any charity involved in extensive predatory proselytization in India from fundraising in an American church. Many millions are raised for precisely that activity every day. I do hope you will spare a moment of outrage for that as well.

    You have quite a broad view on whom HAF should or should not condemn, associate with, repudiate, etc. Your focus seems to be entirely Indian; your perspective is colored by ideology. HAF’s canvas–its portfolio–is far more diverse, so I doubt you will find satisfaction in further engagement with me here. Read Nicholas O’Connell’s post that started this thread once again, see HAF’s positions and then decide if you can engage in HAF as a member or supporter.

    Curious, will you now channel your indignation elsewhere…

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/rss-has-done-good-work-towards-promoting-the-values-of-dedication-dalai-lama/

  • http://WhyRithambhara? Ramesh Raghavendra

    So Aseem, you defend HAF’ ssupport of Rithambhara because of her “charity work?” What sort of “charity” involves being singled out by the supreme court for hate speech and incitement?
    “If there is to be a bloodbath, let there be bloodbath.” – Rithambhara, December 6th, 1992 – addressing and inciting a mob of tens of thousands of RSS cadres just before they commenced destruction of the 16th century Babri Masjid monument.

    It is clear Aseem that your sympathies are deep for Hindutva, and like you Meghani, Bhutada, and Sheetal Shah have great difficulty taking a stand on Hindutva violence and violations of human rights.

    HAF is without doubt on the wrong side of the human rights question. Prove me wrong.

  • Raj Bahadur

    Ms. Shah and Mr. Shukla,
    Please do not think that people are dumb or ignorant. In these days of google any one can do some basic research.

    Any comparison of the reports by your HAF and CAG will prove who is using ‘guilt by association”:, hatemongering and fear peddling.

    The language, tone and even the links that you cite to demonize CAG are from neoconservative and Islamophobc ‘experts”.

    Just read the last paragraph of this write up by Ms. Shah. Look at the brazen hatemongering and fear peddling.
    It is not what Mihir Mighani said as a 12 year old but his statements appreciating and encouraging destruction of historic Babari mosque by violent mobs which are problematic. He cunningly has asked BJP to take his name out as the writer. Has he condemned the demolition of the mosque not through legal means but via mob frenzy?
    Ms.Shah have you ever attended any celebrations commemorating RSS women leaders and if you did why and what did you say in your speech?
    HAF has launched a campaign to take yoga back into the Hindu fold in the US. No one can object to that but then why does Sheetal Shah support the imposition of Hindu yoga on Muslim and Christian kids in Madhya Pradesh.
    Isn’t it hypocritical and also stupid to expect that your detractors will not notice?

    All the above points prove that HAF is anti-pluralist, anti-interfaith and anti human rights organization, irrespective of the well documented links to hindutva.

    How come Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch stands’ are in sync with CAG and not with HAF on issues on India. How come the State Department’s stand is similar to CAG and not HAF’s

    Again you are thinking that your readers are stupid. Ofcourse HAF stand against the persecution of Hindus in Pakistan will be in sync wiith AI and HRW

    But what about the stands on India?

    When you take an ultra-nationalistic stand that India should not be criticized for its abuse of human rights, how can your claim to be a pluralist and interfaith group taken seriously.

    You want to know more flaws in HAF report,it is so sloppily done that the quotes attributed there to the CAG representatives are not actually said by others and some of the organizations listed as CAG members are not members.

    People are not dumb, Ms. Shah Please realize that you are not only asking them to forsake their fairness but you are treating them as dumb.

    And oh, by the way, to the argument by the HAF supporter that there were more terrorist incidents in India than pogroms is also a stupid one though you may think it to be a clever one. Many of these terrorist incidents were committed by Hindu terrorist organization which you have never consistently condemned. The terrorist are pursued by the powerful state agencies. We all condemn the terrorists. No one is holding the state agencies accountable when it commits pogroms and encounter killings. That is a much severe violation of human rights.

    I can go on and on but what is the use. The love of Hindutva supremacy has clouded your minds so much that you will not realize that your emperors have no clothes and the world can see the ugly truth.

    Raj Bahadur

  • Proud Indian

    @Aseem

    I would be OK with avoiding further engagement with you but your post about my perspective and focus compels me to respond.

    My focus is partly India, just like HAF’s.
    If HAF’s positions on some key issues that affect minorities in India are antithetical to both the Hindu and the secular ethos, can I be faulted for speaking out against them?

    If HAF decides to focus entirely on issues affecting Hindus in the US, or Hindu minorities in countries across the world, I doubt if CAG or the Council for a Parliament of World Religions would feel the need to speak out publicly against HAF.

    http://www.parliamentofreligions.org/news/index.php/2013/09/the-council-for-a-parliament-of-the-worlds-religions-refutes-allegations-and-clarifies-its-position/

    Dr. Mihir Meghani’s article was co-opted by the BJP and he chose to distance himself from it in a letter to “India Abroad?” For an article that continues to motivate Hindutva firebrands, would it be too much to expect the good doctor to tell us what exactly he believes now?

  • Proud Indian

    Actually there is no need for Dr. Meghani to tell us what he believes.

    The violent Hindu Nationalist ideology espoused by Dr. Meghani is apparent form the following statements he made to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette in 2003 while defending an attack against a Christian missionary (Joseph William Cooper) in India:

    “Mr. Cooper not only preached about Jesus, something Hindus don’t have a problem with because Hindus consider Jesus a divine incarnation,” said Mihir Meghani, a doctor in Fremont , California. “He also preached that the only way to salvation is through Christ. Hindus do oppose this…If these Christian fanatics don’t accept other faiths and paths to the same God we all have, then I’m afraid such violent confrontations may increase. ”

    Is Dr. Meghani going to distance himself from this article anytime soon? So @Aseem, if you believe HAF’s perspective is not colored by ideology, I have a bridge I want to sell you!

  • http://fasdfdsa @Desi beats

    I understand the drama here. It appears Coalition against Genocide doesn’t mind taking support of organizations with proven links to violent islamist and naxal terrorists but seem to have trouble with a person like Modi who was target of a false smear campaign by pseudo-secular leftists. In the end truth triumphed when the supreme courts cleared him and exposed leftists agenda.

    As a last resort, they’ve desperately decided to take their matter to the American congress with support from fundamentalist christian organizations(aka abrahamic bigot as someone else mentioned) that have open vested interests in trampling upon hindus by imposing pseudo-secularist policies upon them. Don’t get me even started about IAMC or Islamic Council of North America, whose connections with pakistani generals who openly advocated genocide of hindus is very well recorded. IT’s a well known fact among the American public that Jow pitts will sell his mother in his ISI linked cash-for-resolution scams. The very choice of the sponsoring reps. by the CAG was a give away.

    The leftists are selling the integrity and sovereignty of nation in the name of pseudo-secularism. Hindu hating resolutions like this give an idea of how disunity among Indians which will encourage outside forces to exploit and take us for granted – as seen in the Khobragade case. They disrespect the indian democracy and the honor of the supreme courts with their veiled lies to make the country look like a half riot. They spread one sided lies to make hindus look like they’re always at fault and defame them to induce “guilt” among them. Their agenda is push the burden of pseudo-secularism only on Hindus while shielding Abrahamic bigots from any code of secular principles which are seen in the developed world.

    I hope they’d be wiped out in the coming 2014 elections.

    It appears just as in India, the Indian leftists of USA have made a strong connection with islamic fundamentalists in the region too. Apparently their sympathy for one mosque which paid tribute to a mass murderer like Babar is so overwhelming that they were no were to be found when hundreds of temples were and are being razed in Muslim majority areas, even in India. Infact they were often seen being apologetic to the acts.

    Their links to hypocrite Rakesh Sharma is pretty apparent. Another one Indian leftist apologetic indirectly justified the burning of hindu women and children in godhra train, by creating false tales about muslim women being harrased and later about muslim vendors being beaten. They were all fake lies when it was revealed that the train burning was planned days before by the radicalized local population. The same person parroted the same false info in a report to various intl. human rights orgs. The problem with such JNU type leftist liars is that they enjoy a sort of “diplomatic immunity” where they can lie without being punished for spreading false info (unlike the west) by misusing the term “press freedom”.

    They also conveniently trivialize islamic terror while portraying them as always victims but never the aggressors. One was their omission of ~300 hindu victims who died in the hands of rioters. Then is this fact of Godhra’s history where islamic fanaticism was not new (but ignored by the pseudo-secular media):

    “Following is the note of few incidents prior to Sabarmati train burning.

    1948: On March 24, a milkman was killed and shops of several Hindus were torched.
    1948: On August 15, the national flag was burnt by Muslim teachers in Godhra and by hotel owner M K Hussain Sayeed. The same day, Niranjan Natwar Shah, a teacher in Muslim School, was dismissed for singing Vande Mataram.
    1965: Hindu shops in Godhra were burnt down by hotel owners Bidani and Bhopa. Police sub-inspector Raval was attacked by Sikandar Mewan and Abdul Aziz Khada at Salma Dabha.
    1980: Five Hindus, including two children aged 5 and 7, were burnt alive by a mob led by a woman, Amina Bibi, at Signal Falia, the same place where the attack on Sabarmati Express occurred.
    1990: On November 28, four Hindu teachers, including two women, teaching at the Vorwad Saphia Madrasa in Godhra, were killed. They included Praveen Shah, Pravina Dave, Kamlesh Pandya and Saroj Barot.

    Now looking at the 2002 incidents, on 15 February 2002 (before train burning) Anti Terrorist Squad of Gujarat Police arrested Asad Ahmad Munshi, a teacher at a Tablighi Jamaat-run seminary at Dabhel, near Surat, along with Inam-ul-Haq Banarasi and Husain Ahmad Maniar with 4.2 kg of explosives, nine 30mm pistols, ammunition and detonators which investigators believe that they planned to use for attacking Hindus.//

    @Proud Indian, Mr. Mihir is not anyway wrong in his statements. Some christian fanatics in orissa and the north east have preached the exclusivity of christ and encourage the converts to massacre their fellow heathen hindu tribal bethren. Today christianized terrorists in the north east ask for seperate nations. His observation is factually correct. You painting a one sided picture of it shows an obvious bias.

    For all innocent bystanders: To know more about dubious nature of CAG and it’s connections to political and terror outfits in south asia, do look into the HAF’s expose of CAG.

    I’m now atheist and no more Hindu, because I believe science triumphs fairy tales and myths. But hinduism is more than a religion, a way of life and perhaps the most important part of Indian culture. I can’t stand how hypocrite pseudo-secularist with islamist and naxal agendas try to corner hindus and deny them of right to political organization in the name of the same pseudo-secularism.

    Atheists like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris also have to put up against bullshit from “Islamophobia” yelling leftists. The irony is that the people yelling “islamophobia” are the ones advocating “hinduphobia”, “atheistophobia”, “DAwkinsphobia” and “Sciencephobia”. But the American public are getting tired off their crappy oil financed agendas.

    On the meantime Hindus need not give frauds like CAG too much importance. Best cure for trolls is to ignore them. Go ahead Sheetal, expose the evil nexus of leftist-islamists more. HAF do continue in your quest for helping voiceless hindus persecuted by Abrahamic bigots, because these pseudo-leftists, islamists and christian fanatics have incentivized agendas to cover up instances when hindus are victims.

  • http://fasdfdsa @Desi beats

    CAG’s actions are the perfect case of the pots calling the kettle black. Sure you religitards can continuing fighting among yourselves in the name of “difference in fairy tales” or my “non-existant sky daddy is better than yours”. But don’t sell the integrity of our motherland India in the name of your espoused pseudo-secular anti-hindu agenda.

    For innocent onlookers to get a clue, following is a link to HAF’s well described expose of CAG’s violent and dubious connections:

    http://www.hafsite.org/sites/default/files/Coalition_Against_Genocide_A_Nexus_of_HinduphobiaUnveiled.pdf

  • http://Secularismversusthepoliticsofmassmurder. Ramesh Raghavendra

    Would the gentleman writing under the handle @DesiBeats define “pseudo secular” for our American readers?

    We are not exactly “innocent onlookers,” so maybe a little less patronizing and a little more sensible effort to address the problem of Hindu fascism is in order.

  • http://affsafsa @Desi beats

    Pseudo-secular is when the Indian government gives billions worth subsidies to the muslims for two and fro air tickets to Mecca while on the other hand it taxes Hindu pilgrimages. An irony that the pseudo-secular Indian govt. prioritizes satisfaction of fictional and mythical fantasies of muslim pilgrimages instead of spending the same amount on eradicating poverty in a country where so many hindus are starving, all of this conspired by the leftists to appease fundamentalist islamists in the name of votebank politics.

    Psuedo secular is when temple donations go to govt. while church and mosque money are tax havens. Pseudo-secular is when muslims are given reservations for simply being muslims. Same applies to many christian schemes. The reason why fanatic evangelists have found an ally among violent islamists is that the church’s vested financial interests and special privileges will be revoked if Modi arrives to enforce equal laws for all religions and special appeasement to none.

    Pseudo-secularism is leftists allowed muslims to get misogynistic sharia law with four wives instead of enforcing uniform civil code irrespective of religion, like seen in the truly secular west. The irony again is that it is the BJP, VHP and RSS that is advocating truly secular Uniform civil code not the leftists dhimmis. Pseudo-secular is when muslim imams, christian schools, madrassas, wakf board etc. get more salaries and funding per person and unit from the govt. than their hindu counterparts. Psuedo-secular is when schemes where muslims alone get sops and freebies like cycles, laptops, marriage fees in the name of their “special” relgiion. Pseudo-secular is act of falsely potraying hindus as the agressors with fancy terms to imply hindus are “Fascists”, even when they many of them were the victims. Pseudo-secularism is not mentioning that 300 hindus were victims during the riots that were started by muslims burning train full of hindu women and children. Pseudo-secularism is when people ignore one sided violence and pogroms against hindus committed by muslims prior to godhra. Pseudo-secularism is when no one talks about the far far more horrid plight of millions of hindus in islamic countries or even hindu majority countries in India while exagerating an event of a few hundred muslims although the muslims were the first to initate it by burning the train full of hindu pilgrims. Pseudo-secularism is when leftists in India accept violent rohingya muslim refugees who were killing buddhists and now later are rioting in India – while millions of hindus live in fear and terror of death, abductions and rape in neighboring non-secular islamofascist countries.

    The train burning reminded me of the partition of 1947, when my ancestors narrowly escaped muslims who started burning trains full of hindus and sikhs and later hindus and sikhs bravely retaliated in kind instead of being a doormat. It also reminds me of the pseudo-secular nehru dynasty and commies whose corrupt minions LOOTED away all welfare money and land that belonged to hindu and sikh refugees from Paksitan.

    Apparently leftists are too blind to even bother about injustices against hindus, so it wouldn’t be surprising that most hindu organizations ally themselves with BJP. Blind ass commie hypocrites shouldn’t complain.

    The worst pogrom against the sikhs in 1984 where around 3000 sikhs were massacred was committed by the very same pseudo-secular UPA. Who do you think tried to help them ? Yes it’s the very same VHP and RSS, which even famous sikh writer Khushwant Singh acknowledged. By the way 2 out of 4 founding members of VHP, were sikhs including the renowned Master Tara Singh. US courts have summoned Nehru dynasty member sonia as the group sikhs for justice are filed lawsuit on the dynasty for anti-sikh pogroms. CAG was formed by pseudo-secular leftists of UPA/third front to counter that. And ofcourse we know the massacres by the extortionist ring naxal terrorism and the mess they created in Bengal where they “finished off” anyone who dissented. And the pseudo-secularists are always apologetic towards Islamic terrorism and even cover it up.

    I’m pretty sure you understand that the term “innocent onlookers” wasn’t addressed to hypocrite leftists like the CAG gang who hatefully generalize to implicate Hindus as Fascists. It would be too much of flattery and an arrogant self centered attitude when you begin to take for granted that you represent and talk on behalf of they rest of the readers.

    When numerous ancient hindu and budhist temples were being destroyed in Jammu Kashmir and ladakh region Plus also in the north east by christian terrorists generated by American southern baptists missionaires of Hate, NOne of the pseudo-secularists voiced out in no significant manner. Yes even the so called HAF never lobbied to the extent of the Armenian christians or even the terror ridden likes of CAIR, IAMC and ICNA.

    Don’t give them too much of an attention Sheetal, these pseudo-secular leftists (including CAG which aligns with islamists that openly advocate sharia in America) will be wiped out in 2014 elections. Hindus are awakening to the discrimination committed against them by the psuedosecular-islamist nexus. HAF please focus on spreading the wise sayings of hindu philosophy and Bhagad Gita, where truth alone triumphs.

  • http://affsafsa @Desi beats

    - Pseudo-secular is when the Indian government gives billions worth subsidies to the muslims for two and fro air tickets to Mecca while on the other hand it taxes Hindu pilgrimages. An irony that the pseudo-secular Indian govt. prioritizes satisfaction of fictional and mythical fantasies of muslim pilgrimages instead of spending the same amount on eradicating poverty in a country where so many hindus are starving, all of this conspired by the leftists to appease fundamentalist islamists in the name of votebank politics.

    Psuedo secular is when temple donations go to govt. while church and mosque money are tax havens. Pseudo-secular is when muslims are given reservations for simply being muslims. Same applies to many christian schemes. The reason why fanatic evangelists have found an ally among violent islamists is that the church’s vested financial interests and special privileges will be revoked if Modi arrives to enforce equal laws for all religions and special appeasement to none.

    Pseudo-secularism is leftists allowed muslims to get misogynistic sharia law with four wives instead of enforcing uniform civil code irrespective of religion, like seen in the truly secular west. The irony again is that it is the BJP, VHP and RSS that is advocating truly secular Uniform civil code not the leftists dhimmis. Pseudo-secular is when muslim imams, christian schools, madrassas, wakf board etc. get more salaries and funding per person and unit from the govt. than their hindu counterparts. Psuedo-secular is when schemes where muslims alone get sops and freebies like cycles, laptops, marriage fees in the name of their “special” relgiion. Pseudo-secular is act of falsely potraying hindus as the agressors with fancy terms to imply hindus are “Fascists”, even when they many of them were the victims. Pseudo-secularism is not mentioning that 300 hindus were victims during the riots that were started by muslims burning train full of hindu women and children. Pseudo-secularism is when people ignore one sided violence and pogroms against hindus committed by muslims prior to godhra. Pseudo-secularism is when no one talks about the far far more horrid plight of millions of hindus in islamic countries or even hindu majority countries in India while exagerating an event of a few hundred muslims although the muslims were the first to initate it by burning the train full of hindu pilgrims.

    Both the muslims who burnt the train full of hindu pilgrims and the hindus who retaliated to avenge the death of hindu pilgrims should taken to court. But hypocrite CAG and friends give a lying impression as if only muslims were dead and they connivingly cover up and lie about the tragic train burning that initated it. They carry out their political agenda to wipe out their non-pseudosecular opponents who do not appease the violent islamists. Imagine if thousands of muslims gather around am track to burn christian pilgrim women and children during christmas. Gun totting americans would take laws and guns in it’s own hands against the muslims. It would be far more horrid. Also one would wonder why 1000s of hindus don’t go around burning trains full of muslim pilgrims in Pakistan or other islamic countries. And you would understand the scale of retaliation against the kaffirs, when even the top ruling class military generals of islamic countries regularly preached hatred against idol whorshipping kaffirs like hindus and ofcourse the jews.

    Pseudo-secularism is when leftists in India give permanent refugee status visas to violent rohingya muslim refugees who were killing buddhists and now later are rioting in India – while millions of hindus live in fear and terror of death, abductions and rape in neighboring non-secular islamofascist countries are still struggling to get an extended stay on visa.

    The train burning reminded me of the partition of 1947, when my ancestors narrowly escaped muslims who started burning trains full of hindus and sikhs and later hindus and sikhs bravely retaliated in kind instead of being a doormat. It also reminds me of the pseudo-secular nehru dynasty and commies whose corrupt minions LOOTED away all welfare money and land that belonged to hindu and sikh refugees from Paksitan.

    Apparently leftists are too blind to even bother about injustices against hindus, so it wouldn’t be surprising that most hindu organizations ally themselves with BJP. Blind ass commie hypocrites shouldn’t complain.

    The worst pogrom against the sikhs in 1984 where around 3000 sikhs were massacred was committed by the very same pseudo-secular UPA. ***Who do you think struggled to save the sikhs from pseudosecularists ?*** Yes it’s the very same VHP and RSS which struggled to save them, which even famous sikh writer Khushwant Singh acknowledged the RSS and VHP in their rescue and rehab efforts. By the way 2 out of 4 founding members of VHP, were sikhs including the renowned Master Tara Singh. US courts have summoned Nehru dynasty member sonia as the group sikhs for justice are filed lawsuit on the dynasty for anti-sikh pogroms. CAG was formed by pseudo-secular leftists of UPA/third front to counter that. And ofcourse we know the massacres by the extortionist ring naxal terrorism and the mess they created in Bengal where they “finished off” anyone who dissented. And the pseudo-secularists are always apologetic towards Islamic terrorism and even cover it up.

    I’m pretty sure you understand that the term “innocent onlookers” wasn’t addressed to hypocrite leftists like the CAG gang who hatefully generalize to implicate Hindus as Fascists. It would be too much of flattery and an arrogant self centered attitude when you begin to take for granted that you represent and talk on behalf of they rest of the readers.

    When numerous ancient hindu and budhist temples were being destroyed in Jammu Kashmir and ladakh region Plus also in the north east by christian terrorists generated by American southern baptists missionaires of Hate, NOne of the pseudo-secularists voiced out in no significant manner. Yes even the so called HAF never lobbied to the extent of the Armenian christians or even the terror ridden likes of CAIR, IAMC and ICNA.

    Don’t give them too much of an attention Sheetal, these pseudo-secular leftists (including CAG which aligns with islamists that openly advocate sharia in America) will be wiped out in 2014 elections. Hindus are awakening to the discrimination committed against them by the psuedosecular-islamist nexus. HAF please focus on spreading the wise sayings of hindu philosophy and Bhagad Gita, where truth alone triumphs.

    Hari Om.

  • http://sdfsdgsd.com Sanjeevan Kumar

    From the rants of many folks here, it is apparent that the coalition of anti-hindu trolls aka CAG, have a sinister agenda to bully Hindus into becoming submissive like “dhimmis” or slaves towards Abrahamic overlords.

    Their first modus operandi as usual is to “divide and rule” by choosing some little known tools among the hindu community to be their puppet against more well known hindu organizatoins. Then by forcing HAF to discriminate against hindu organizations that work for political unity and welfare among hindus through false generalized allegations, they’ve achieved their first milestone in bringing down hinduism.

    That will simply not happen. Hindus have faced the sword of abrahamic oppression for 1000′s of years, we won’t retreat easily like you want us to. We have learnt from our mistakes and won’t repeat it again. We do know we are a minuscule poorer minority in comparison to islamist and evangelists but we’ll fight till the last man if you’d wage war against us.

    About the pseudosecular leftist traitors at CAG who betray their fellow hindus, they’ll be extinct soon. After 2014, when Modi comes to power, their illegal funding sources will be cut off and their corrupt swiss black money accounts will be retrieved in ransom for their dishonest lives of adharma.

  • http://Proofisinthepudding! Amar Desai

    Hmm! Judging from the last several comments, it looks like HAF supporters are losing patience in operating under their politically calculated ‘progressive’ cover and are, true to their nature, impulsively going back to their right wing Hindu nationalist discourse. All it takes is for people to pose some hard questions to HAF and the army of right wing, anti-progressive Hindu nationalists will soon be arriving to the defense of this “progressive” organization. Is anyone missing out on the irony here? The proof is in the comments pudding.

  • http://Secularismversusthepoliticsofmassmurder. Ramesh Raghavendra

    If the Hindu American Foundation and its bigwigs like Aseem Shukla, Suhag Shukla, Mihir Meghani, Rishi Bhutada, and others can show ONE example of the organization taking a principled stand against Hindutva violence targeting religious minorities in India, I will personally send them a toaster with an attached smart phone.

  • http://sddafd.com Desi beats

    It appears from some of the comments above that the only ones on this planet who are progressive are judgmental anti-hindus going under the names of Amar Desai and Ramesh Raghavendra.

    Plus they act as is they are the supreme authority which determines who is progressive and who is not, as though the word “progressive” is their patented copyright. It’s apparent from their conniving intent that they consider being anti-hindu a necessity for being their “progressive”. How arrogant and bigoted of them.

    And like always, Leftists like Raghavendra use their trademark adharmic leftist strategy to acheive their political ends – “bribe HAF with a toaster, vilify with smear campagins and eliminate with all other means necessary when truth is in the side of hindus”. We clearly have seen the blood thirsty havoc and mess indian leftists have created in Bengal and the naxal corridor. SElective killings and rampant corruption traumatizing the poor population. And the Indian leftists call themselves “progressive” and continue to troll the illiterate masses. You may be able to fool the naive indians into suffering your crappy “progressiveness” but you can’t do the same to the largely centrist educated hindus in America.

    It’s becoming more and more clear that – Anti-hindu organizations like CAG, ICNA, Association of Indian Leftists etc. are being specifically used for an agenda of trivializing and covering up the genocide of hindus in South asia while selectively exaggerating the converse to meet their own pseudo-secular votebank appeasing political agenda. Now let those two two-faced hypocrites who started indulging in personal attacks and cooked up allegations continue talking to themselves.

  • @Desi Beats

    It appears from some of the comments above that the only ones on this planet who are progressive are judgmental anti-hindus going under the names of Amar Desai and Ramesh Raghavendra.

    Plus they act as is they are the supreme authority which determines who is progressive and who is not, as though the word “progressive” is their patented copyright. It’s apparent from their conniving intent that they consider being anti-hindu a necessity for being their “progressive”. How arrogant and bigoted of them.

    And like always, Leftists like Raghavendra use their trademark adharmic leftist strategy to acheive their political ends – “bribe HAF with a toaster, vilify with smear campagins and eliminate with all other means necessary when truth is in the side of hindus”. We clearly have seen the blood thirsty havoc and mess indian leftists have created in Bengal and the naxal corridor. SElective killings and rampant corruption traumatizing the poor population. And the Indian leftists call themselves “progressive” and continue to troll the illiterate masses. You may be able to fool the naive indians into suffering your crappy “progressiveness” but you can’t do the same to the largely centrist educated hindus in America.

    It’s becoming more and more clear that – Anti-hindu organizations like CAG, ICNA, Association of Indian Leftists etc. are being specifically used for an agenda of trivializing and covering up the genocide of hindus in South asia while selectively exaggerating the converse to meet their own pseudo-secular votebank appeasing political agenda. Now let those two two-faced hypocrites who started indulging in personal attacks and cooked up allegations continue talking to themselves.

  • Sudhanvan

    @Saleem

    1. Condemnations are valid when they are deservingly accompanied with evidence of merit.
    2. Therefore, I find many of your statements to be blanketed with emotional digressions.
    3. For example:
    - “Organizations like HFA mix Hindutva with Hinduism.”
    —> Do you have proof of this charge?
    - “I think HAF’s only agenda is to spread hatred by supporting divisive politics.”
    —> I respect your opinion, since it is your inalienable right to voice such a statement. But, I, too, would like to exercise one of my rights and ask for proof of this indirect charge – how is HAF “spreading hatred by supporting divisive politics”? Can you please offer me tangible, logical, and reasonable proof?
    - “Please don’t spread hate neither in USA nor in India. We have enough hate in this world. In Geeta Bhagwan Krishan said “love every human being because i am in every human being”.
    - “By supporting communal leaders HAF indirectly carries out riots and mass killings of other human beings. No matter what religion they belong to.
    Please and please if you can’t spread love don’t spread hate.
    I hope HAF board members and council will take a serious note of that.”
    —> What “hate”? And, since this is a very serious charge, which can easily be fought in court for being libelous, I would definitely like proof of how HAF is supporting directly or indirectly “mass killings” and spreading this “hate” you speak of.

    Blanket statements such as these destroy chances of two or more opposite groups, if there are any, coming together to progressively and maturely address socio-eco-political issues that affect or concern the two or more parties or organizations involved from finding common grounds from which to blossom collectively.

    ———————

    @Satya Jyoti

    Quoting: “HAF issues politically correct statements of abhorring the violence, while seeking to “contextualize” it, almost as an excuse for those who seek to pursue a majoritarian agenda”

    This is a more serious accusation than those articulated by Saleem. Again, how is HAF “contextualizing” such issues? If so, please provide a stance from which Hindus of many backgrounds, not just those that support HAF, can evaluate. Blanket opinions neglect opportunities wherein all concerned parties can progressively address issues.

    Quoting: “HAF issued a paper opposing caste based discrimination. However in terms of practical work for the upliftment of Dalits who have been suffering from caste oppression for centuries, HAF has never joined hands with major Dalit organizations.”

    Odd. In fact, not to divert the topic — but, statistically, Hindu organizations have been at the forefront of caste-based issues plaguing Indian societies, more frequently than those of non-Hindu orientation. In fact, castes, albeit a wordily phenomena, in the Subcontinent are not limited to the religion(s) of Hinduism(s). Not once do I here from non-Hindu Indians regarding the clannish, tribalistic, caste discrimination both lower-”class” Christians and Muslims face in the Subcontinent. However, coming back to the point: can you find proof that HAF has not “joined hands” with “major” Dalit organizations? And, how are you defining “major”?

    Quoting: “Again, as an Indian American and as a parent, I am concerned that the caste-based and majoritarian rhetoric that is tearing the social fabric in India, is also dividing the Indian community right here in the US.”

    If that is so, what can be done? If such social fabric is being torn apart here in the US, where are the studies that suggest this “tearing” of the Indian “social fabric” of the US?

    Again, blanket condemnations will get us nowhere. We can be progressive and place the cards on the table, instead of speculating.

    ———————

    @Ramesh

    Quoting: “I recall reading Aseem’s blogs on Sulekha after the 2002 massacre and to be honest I was unpleasantly shocked by his views and defensiveness of the horror. Instead of calling for justice for thousands of victims Aseem was blaming Human Rights Watch for its damning indictment of Modi government.”

    Again…where is the proof? And, after the courts repeatedly find Modi not-guilty, why this constant Modi-strawman?

    ———————

    @Anahita

    Quoting: “NATO has turned to the dark side recently. Supporting Jamaat in bangladesh who were known for genocides of hindus and other minorities like buddhists and christians in bangladesh. Even worse is their support for Islamic rebels who are massacring shia muslims and syrian christian minorities.”

    There is a book on the subject you might find interesting; the book addresses a similar sentiment expressed in your quoted portion above regarding the “origins” of such an atmosphere and why, even after the “liberation” of “East Pakistan”, anti-Hinduism still prevails in Bangladesh.

    It is titled “The Blood Telegram” by Gary J Bass.

    ———————

    @Proud Indian

    When an argument is a straw-man — in response to your accusation that HAF never “opposed” Sadhvi — it loses its merits simply based on the fact that it is non-progressive.

    For example:

    Quoting: “If you are going to have any credibility in your efforts to combat persecution of Hindu minorities in several countries, you need to categorically distance yourself, from rabid Hindutva elements (whatever your personal views on Hindutva may be).”

    For why in the world would HAF need to “distance” themselves from anything in the first place? Your assumption that HAF is even affiliated with “Hindutva”, indirectly or directly, clearly shows the logical fallacy of the argument you have posited.

    —————————

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