Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Sad to See Justice Stevens Retire

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay,

You are right — Justice John Paul Stevens did make it clear where he stands on church-state separation and I would like to see his successor do the same.

While you may not appreciate Justice Stevens for his contributions to the court, you have to admit he is an icon — not to mention a thoughtful, perceptive justice who understands the role of church-state separation in American life.Needless to say, whomever President Barack Obama chooses as a nomineewill have some big shoes to fill.

On April 19, when we attend oral arguments in the CLS case, it will be the last time we see Stevens in action on the court. And I’m sad to say, it will also be the last church-state case Stevens will decide. Stevens voted consistently against interjecting religion in publicschools and did not approve of the government funneling tax aid to sectarianschools. He also opposed the government display of sectarian symbols on public property.
 
“Whenever we remove a brick from the wall that was designed to separatereligion and government,” Stevens wrote in a dissent to the 2002 Zelmanv. Simmons-Harris decision, “we increase the risk of religious strifeand weaken the foundations of our democracy.”

The majority in the Zelman case upheld voucher subsidies for privateschools in Cleveland, but Justice Stevens dissented because herecognized that majority of the public funds were going towardreligious institutions.

As you discussed, the Supreme Court is deeply divided on church-stateissues. I sincerely hope that Stevens’ replacement is someone whounderstands and upholds the mandate of church-state separation just ashe did.

In the coming weeks, Americans United plans to closely monitor the nomination process to ensure that Stevens’ replacement has the same understanding of our Constitution.

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Rich

posted April 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm


Justice Stevens has been one of the more rational voices on the court. I am glad that Obama will be appointing a justice and not someone like Bush, the implications of that nightmare scenario would be the end of separation as we know it.
Still, an Obama appointment will not push the court to the left, it will likely stay where it is.
I can only hope that Obama continues to have opportunities to appoint new justices and bring an end to the hostility that the Catholic bloc brings to any issue related to separation. This animus will never end until, at a minimum, Scalia retires. Scalia is so myopic about his faith that he thinks the Christian cross is some sort of acceptable symbol to all citizens, clearly he has an insufficient breadth of imagination to understand that not everyone believes as he does.
We need two or three more justices in the same vein as Stevens.



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HG

posted April 9, 2010 at 6:23 pm


Rich: “Justice Stevens has been one of the more rational voices on the court. I am glad that Obama will be appointing a justice and not someone like Bush, the implications of that nightmare scenario would be the end of separation as we know it. …We need two or three more justices in the same vein as Stevens.”
Agree, agree, and agree. His reasoning was, unfortunately, relegated to the dissenting opinion at times when it should have been in the majority.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 1:49 am


Rich says:
Justice Stevens has been one of the more rational voices on the court.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation:

“He agrees with me.”

Rich says:
…an Obama appointment will not push the court to the left…
Mr. Incredible says:
He wouldn’t dare put members of his Party in such-a position, given that November is coming.
Rich says:
…it will likely stay where it is.
Mr. Incredible says:
He will suggest a more moderate person than Stevens, and that means a Conservative victory. Anybody the least bit, eensie, teensie, weensie bit less Lib than Stevens is a Conservative victory, given that Libs have politicized the Court. All that with November just around the corner and even more Conservative victory.
Rich says:
I can only hope that Obama continues to have opportunities to appoint new justices…
Mr. Incredible says:
He cannot afford to put his Party in more jeopardy by appointing Libs. The Court roster will move to a more Conservative makeup.
Rich says:
…and bring an end to the hostility that the Catholic bloc brings to any issue related to separation.
Mr. Incredible says:
You mean, the hostility YOU fan.
Rich says:
This animus will never end until, at a minimum, Scalia retires.
Mr. Incredible says:
We understand that you wanna pack the Court.
Rich says:
Scalia is so myopic about his faith that he thinks the Christian cross is some sort of acceptable symbol to all citizens, clearly he has an insufficient breadth of imagination to understand that not everyone believes as he does.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation:

“We need somebody on the Court who agrees with me so I can impose my Will on everybody.”

Rich says:
We need two or three more justices in the same vein as Stevens.
Mr. Incredible says:
Ain’t gonna happen.



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Boris

posted April 10, 2010 at 6:33 am


One thing is for sure. No more Bible thumping retards will ever be appointed to the Supreme Court. We’ve learned our lesson. Only atheists are qualified to serve the public anyway. The proof of that is in Congress, the courts and he White House.



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Rich

posted April 10, 2010 at 9:45 am


Boris,
I agree, last thing we need on the Court is some superstitious dolt who doesn’t have the common sense to realize that the Jewish Zombie Fable is not actually a real deal.



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Trylon

posted April 10, 2010 at 12:01 pm


This is what I want. I want a US Supreme Court composed of 21 justices. I want an odd number of justices chosen at random (by computer) to hear each case – with minor cases accorded five justices and increasing with importance to all 21. Each argument has a base of “five points”. I want the justices to distribute 95 points between the arguments three times: immediately after argument, after reflection, for final judgment. I want the Chi Square statistic applied to the final.
Trylon



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Trylon

posted April 10, 2010 at 12:03 pm


This is what I want. I want a US Supreme Court composed of 21 justices. I want an odd number of justices chosen at random (by computer) to hear each case – with minor cases accorded five justices and increasing with importance to all 21. Each argument has a base of “five points”. I want the justices to distribute 95 points between the arguments three times: immediately after argument, after reflection, for final judgment. I want the Chi Square statistic applied to the final.



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm


so, i saw the paper this morning with The Supreme Court, now that one is leaving , who is he recommending?
someone with what kind of history towards abortion?
obviously the children are being murdered?
so, how are we going to stop this ?
Posterity rights of the human being in womb, for Posterity is future people of our nation…
there is no argument from the abortionist and abortion supporters as them not bein our future children of America.?
i have heard them say well they are not people yet because they are not living and breathing outside of the womb..this does not take away from them being our future generations of people, which are our Posterity….so at this point it needs to be illegal…..
hopefully they will see the light soon, and the president will protect all of our Posterity….
Cara Lea Floyd
mother of three



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm


being
to be or not to be, that is the question?
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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 4:40 pm


hey Paul, nice tie……c



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 4:50 pm


alittle sugar never hurts……
Go Lakers….c



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:18 pm


Trylon says:
This is what I want.
Mr. Incredible says:
What YOU want???
Trylon says:
I want a US Supreme Court composed of 21 justices.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Is 21 a “magic” number?
Trylon says:
I want an odd number of justices…
Mr. Incredible says:
9 is already an odd number.
What’s so great about 21?
Trylon says:
… chosen at random (by computer)…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who gets to program the computer?
Trylon says:
… with minor cases accorded five justices and increasing with importance to all 21.
Mr. Incredible asks:
What, it doesn’t take long enough now? You want cases to be drawn out longer??
Trylon says:
Each argument has a base of “five points”.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who gets to decide what five points? Another machine? HAL-5000?
Trylon says:
I want the justices to distribute 95 points between the arguments three times: immediately after argument, after reflection, for final judgment.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Why not throw tarot cards in there, too?
Trylon says:
I want the Chi Square statistic applied to the final.
Mr. Incredible asks:
So, essentially, you want to leave Justice to machines [programmed by somebody, ostensibly, preferred by you] and some kinda numbers game. The justices of the Court — five, or twenty-one, depending on what somebody preferred by you “decide” is important — would just be seat warmers, supervising a system of whirring machines and numbers-crunching.
Thanks, but no thanks.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:23 pm


Boris says:
One thing is for sure. No more Bible thumping retards will ever be appointed to the Supreme Court. We’ve learned our lesson. Only atheists are qualified to serve the public anyway. The proof of that is in Congress, the courts and he White House.
Mr. Incredible asks:
I have one word for you: REHAB.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:25 pm


CORRECTION
Mr. Incredible asks:
I have one word for you: REHAB. — – >
Mr. Incredible says:
I have one word for you: REHAB.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:36 pm


Given the mood of the country against Obammy, there will be no Stevens Lib clone installed on the Court; there will be no Lib more Lib than Stevens installed on the Court.
Obammy will compromise with someone even the eensiest, teensiest, weensiest bit more to the Right than Stevens. That amounts to a victory for Conservatives. Actually, even on the off chance that he will suggest someone as Lib as Stevens, Conservatives win, in this year of Conservative victory, cuz, with somebody as Lib as Stevens, the Court stayed the same, and THAT amounts to a loss for Libs.
CONSERVATIVE VICTORY 2010! RELOAD, NOT RETREAT!



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:36 pm


thump thump, here i come……



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:38 pm


i wouldn’t call Bible thumpers, retards, they are quite frankly some of the brightest people i have ever met…now for cramming it down peoples thoats, who obviously don’t want it……well they can go read there meaningless novels or irrationality….



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm


their
they are responsable for their own actions, which i am not a part of…….



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:43 pm


Your Name says:
thump thump, here i come……
Mr. Incredible says:
Our “Bible thumping” burns their ears.



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HG

posted April 10, 2010 at 6:07 pm


cara Lea Floyd, mother of three? four?:
“so, i saw the paper this morning with The Supreme Court, now that one is leaving , who is he recommending?”
I hope for Diane Wood.
“someone with what kind of history towards abortion?”
Well, she clerked for Blackmun…
“obviously the children are being murdered?”
Who starts a sentence with “obviously”, and ends it with a question mark? Obviously, someone with poor command of the English language.
“so, how are we going to stop this ?”
We aren’t.
“there is no argument from the abortionist and abortion supporters as them not bein our future children of America.?”
Are you learning impaired?
“i have heard them say well they are not people yet because they are not living and breathing outside of the womb”
I read it in a Supreme Court decision.
“…this does not take away from them being our future generations of people, which are our Posterity”
Being aborted as a fetus does.
“so at this point it needs to be illegal…..”
It needs to be what it was, is, and shall be…perfectly legal.
“to be or not to be, that is the question?”
To be a parent, or not to be a parent, that is the question women are allowed to answer individually; even after having sex and getting pregnant.
“thump thump, here i come……”
TMI
“i wouldn’t call Bible thumpers, retards, they are quite frankly some of the brightest people i have ever met…”
No doubt.



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 6:11 pm


at least something does…….here here for bible thumpers!!!ya team!!!



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 6:12 pm


ow, look i’m a cheerleader …it’s about time i made it to the big league….



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Your Name

posted April 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm


here is another one for you hg,
obviously, ……?
how was that?
poor grammer, ya team, at least they try and write.
baby killer monopolies, are cruel people……
maybe you can change suits and be on the baby protecting team…that would be good…eh? it’s called protecting our children of Posterity, foreseen in The United States Constitution.
Cara
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Your Name

posted April 11, 2010 at 7:03 pm


p.s. if your wondering why i type in lower case letters, it is because i was taught that is polite……poor grammer, i think not?
c



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Your Name

posted April 11, 2010 at 7:31 pm


grammar…..ha ha….c



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HG

posted April 11, 2010 at 10:02 pm


Carabellum: “baby killer monopolies, are cruel people……”
I’m surprised your brain generates enough power for to breath. The tragicomedy of anti-individual-liberty, neo-theo-fascist boneheads seeking mass acceptance is self-evident. Your ‘posterity argument’ is as laughable, and illusory as the god hoax you try to perpetuate.



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Rich

posted April 12, 2010 at 1:50 am


Your Name aka Cara,
HG is right. Your incessant yammering about posterity is really pretty goofy. Given that I know you are mentally affected, if it was just you, I wouldn’t give your words a second thought. However, some other religious types just might think what you say makes sense, a common fault of the religious being disposed to believe anything paraded in front of them no matter how absolutely moronic.
Just for a hoot, I opened up the US Constitution. I only find the word posterity once:
“and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”
I don’t see anything there about abortion being forbidden. I see that it says the founders were in favor of future generations having liberty, the freedom to do as they will. They founders did not mean a limited freedom to have the state run every aspect of their life, something you and your kind think you have the right to do. I just don’t see anything there about abortion.
I do find an amendment that guarantees the people the right “to be secure in their persons”. Hmmm, that sounds like the founder believed that people should have the right to have control over their actual persons. The truth is Cara, what you want to do, insist that everyone follow your misguided religious beliefs is against the very principles of personal freedome this country was founded upon. Quite frankly, your religious fervor makes you a pretty bad example of an American. You should really be ashamed of yourself.



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Trylon

posted April 12, 2010 at 5:42 am


Incredible WHAT? Please clarify. It’s certainly not THINKER.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 12, 2010 at 7:42 am


Trylon says:
Incredible WHAT?
Mr. Incredible asks:
“Incredible WHAT” WHAT?
Trylon says:
Please clarify.
Mr. Incredible asks:
“Clarify” what?
Trylon says:
It’s certainly not THINKER.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I got no substance, and I gotta say sumpin’, even if it’s nuttin’.”



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 12, 2010 at 8:27 am


Rich says:
Your Name aka Cara,
Your incessant yammering about posterity is really pretty goofy.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I got no way t’counter what you say, Cara, and, so, all I’m left with is to call what you say ‘goofy.’”

Rich says:
Given that I know you are mentally affected…
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I still got no way t’counter what you say, Cara, and, so, all I’m left with is to tap into the psychology knowledge I picked up in a comic book and question your mental competence.”
Rich says:
… if it was just you, I wouldn’t give your words a second thought.
Mr. Incredible translates:
“I can’t believe that I can get you people to think like me.”Rich says:
However, some other religious types just might think what you say makes sense…
Mr. Incredible says:
You can count on it.
Rich says:
… a common fault of the religious…
Mr. Incredible translates:
“Since you people don’t think like me and don’t surrender to my coercion, YOU people must be at fault.”

Rich says:
… being disposed to believe anything paraded in front of them…
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I believe anything that is paraded in front of me by other people, and, so, you people cannot not be like me, and, so, you people also believe anything paraded in front of you.”

Rich says:
…no matter how absolutely moronic.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“Since you don’t think like me, what YOU people think is absolutely moronic.”

Rich says:
Just for a hoot, I opened up the US Constitution.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yeah, that’s a real hoot.
Rich says:
I only find the word posterity once:

“and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”

Mr. Incredible says:
That’s one more time than the so-called “separation of Church and State,” “privacy” and “abortion.”
Rich says:
I don’t see anything there about abortion being forbidden.
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t see anything in there that says “separation of Church and State,” “privacy,” nor “abortion.”
Rich says:
I see that it says the founders were in favor of future generations having liberty, the freedom to do as they will.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Is THAT “Liberty” means to you?
How does “the freedom to do as they will” translate to our Liberty? Or does it apply only to people who think the way YOU people do?
Rich says:
They founders did not mean a limited freedom to have the state run every aspect of their life, something you and your kind think you have the right to do.
Mr. Incredible says:
We are not the ones who are proposing laws that would run virtually all aspects of the lives of citizens. Obammycare is one example.
Rich says:
I just don’t see anything there about abortion.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then you disagree with SCOTUS which says that DOES see “abortion” in there. So which is it?
Rich says:
I do find an amendment that guarantees the people the right “to be secure in their persons”. Hmmm, that sounds like the founder…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which one?
Rich says:
…believed that people should have the right to have control over their actual persons.
Mr. Incredible says:
Does that mean that a citizen can control his body to go into a bank and rob it?
Does it mean that a citizen has the Right to control his body such that he kills another person?
Rich says:
The truth…
Mr. Incredible translates:

“My ‘truth’…”

Rich says:
…is Cara, what you want to do, insist that everyone follow your misguided religious beliefs is against the very principles of personal freedome [sic] this country was founded upon.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“YOU people want everybody to ignore me and my thinking and turn them against my propaganda.”

Rich says:
Quite frankly, your religious fervor makes you a pretty bad example of an American.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“Again, I got nuttin’ of substance t’say, and, so, I may as well attack your citizenship.”

Rich says:
You should really be ashamed of yourself.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I’m ashamed of myself, but I must distract from that and focus all attention on you and tell YOU that YOU must be ashamed of yourself.”

Romans 8:1 [KJV]



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 12, 2010 at 8:30 am


CORRECTION
Rich says:
… if it was just you, I wouldn’t give your words a second thought.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“I can’t believe that I can’t get you people to think like me.”

Rich says:
However, some other religious types just might think what you say makes sense…
Mr. Incredible says:
You can count on it.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 12, 2010 at 8:55 am


HG says:
I hope for Diane Wood.
Mr. Incredible says:
Won’t happen. Obammy does not want a big fight this, an election year. Obammy’s got enough trouble as it is.
The history is that, after a Liberal has left the Court, the replacement has virtually always been to the Right.
So, even if the replacement is an eensie, teensie, weensie, beensie, zeensie bit to the Right of Stevens, Conservatives win, and YOU people lose.
The most you can hope for, and get, is another Stevens Liberal. That would be a victory for Conservatives in an election year when Conservatives will win big. It would not move the Court in the direction YOU people want it to go.
Fox News Sunday Anchor, Chris Wallace, reported that the latest Fox News poll says that 52% want a Conservative to take Stevens’ place.



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Rich

posted April 12, 2010 at 11:38 am


Mr. Incredible,
re: “latest Fox News poll says that 52% want a Conservative…”
Well then, there you have it, fair and balanced.



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 1:28 pm


ok, we will just take what you wrote and not all the other stuff regarding what our Posterity should be granted, like ourselves.
liberty
which would mean freedom
so , they(the children of Posterity)
insist on liberty for themselves….
i am a voice for their protection….
liberty…
that does not mean, killing them, so they don’t have liberty….
that would be unjust…
———————–
cara



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm


so what are you going to do about it?
C



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 1:48 pm


babies are individuals who have different blood running through them….
different identity…
different people, then the mother or father….
that is why when they come out they can get emancipated and protected by the state….the only problem with the inside murdering policy of choice is, that it is against the United States Constitution……THEY NEED FREEDOM FROM MURDERERS EVEN WHEN THEY ARE IN A SCIENCE LAB DETERMINING IF THEY HAVE A CARRIER….FOR IF THEY DON’T HAVE A CARRIER FOR THEM…THEN DON’T MAKE ABORTED CHILDREN OUT OF THE………
LIBERTY
BELLS ARE RINGING ALL OVER THE WORLD, BELLS ARE RINGING….
CARA



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 1:50 pm


p.s there is a whole lot more things wrong with murdering children by choice, then it being against the Constitution….
c



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm


reversing Roe vs. Wade……….
that is what the children are requesting….for they need freedom from the choice of murdering them by parent option…
liberty for the children….
Sincerely,
Cara Lea Floyd
voice of the children of the unborn…..



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 2:23 pm


as far as the rape option of abortion…
that is not the rapist they would be murdering….
children of rape are requesting protection from the victim of the rape, concluding that they are not the perpetrator….
Sincerely,
Cara Lea Floyd
Voice of the unborn children worldwide…freedom in America!



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm


RE: Children of Embryonic Stem-Cell and Morning After Pill Victims
Children are requesting that their lives be saved from the perpetrators of aborting them through various avenues of murder by choice or science lab issues of choice..
children are siting inconstant views in place regarding laws which protect people and laws which murder them…this they find to be completely against free will of them…they wish to conclude reverence for their safety through private affairs of government to be noted for ruling as soon as possible , for they fear their safety is being ignored and violated. in conclusion they would like to reside in a protected envionment to establish their freedom of liberty to live and survive in an environment outside of the their carrier….we the children of the unborn are advising the state to conclude on this manner, to further establich their safety of environment so they can live and breath, despite the pro-choice murdering options out their , which are a direct representation of abusive authority and biased towards another individuals rights…
we are advising this to be established in a timely manner, for the childrens lives are at stake and need the constitutional rights to be activated immediately…
Sincerely,
Cara Lea Floyd
Voice of the people



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 2:33 pm


establish-to bring about, generate…..



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Vas

posted April 12, 2010 at 3:52 pm


Cara Lea Floyd: What does abortion have to do with Justice Steven’s retirement? Roe v Wade was decided in 73, and although very old, Justice Stevens only joined the supreme court in 75. As untopical as you are insensible.
Speaking of insensible …
Mr. Insensible: You just keep on arguing with yourself and whatever voice you want to put into other people’s mouths. I’ll just keep on ignoring the illegible schlock you post.



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Your Name

posted April 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm


ow look, another baby killer supporter popped up….
well just maybe it is because these justices decide legal matters, you think?
as for mr. incredible, well he is doing his job well.
what does Vas stand for anyway?
legalizing child murders wouldwide advocate, otherwise known as vas…..
no thanks…
against constitutional ethics…
children of America speak……
editor of choice
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HG

posted April 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm


“against constitutional ethics…
Strange that the Supreme Court, the body empowered by the Constitution to settle questions of constitutionality, found abortion to be in accord both legally and ethically. Sorry Carabellum, I believe the Supreme Court Justices researched the issue better than you have. Those who want abortion outlawed have been whining for almost forty years–and they’ll probably still be at it after another forty (probably using the same, lame, losing, arguments).



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Rich

posted April 12, 2010 at 7:28 pm


Cara,
Let’s say you get your wish and the SCOTUS reverses Roe v. Wade. Calm down there now, this is just hypothetical thinking, it hasn’t actually happened. But, let’s say it does. You do know that abortion will still be legal don’t you?
Here in Washington State where I live, they would assuredly stay legal for quite a long time. Look at the red vs. blue state maps that the news outlets use for tracking the electoral college at election time. Most of the blue states would keep abortion legal, a few would peel off and outlaw abortion. The red states would likely all outlaw abortion.
That would be great for Washington State!. We could be a abortion vacation destination spot. Lots of people would come here for their abortions, see the sights, spend some money on lodging and dine out at our restaurants.
Of course, you are likely not even reading this what with you being busy picketing abortion clinics and attending Tea Party rallies.



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Your Name

posted April 13, 2010 at 3:24 pm


reversing Roe vs. Wade
we the people of the womb wish to conclude in this matter of there or their…
there is a place where they can murder us outside of the womb…
while their is a place in their womb that they find to be a relavent issue of termination for us…
we wish to conclude in the notion that we are seperate from are mother and father in the fact that we are a different identity…thus determining factors of various DNA is established through implantation of genetic material through our mother and father..this does not factor in however that we are the same individual…obviously we are different then our mother and father..
we wish to conclude that people have concluded that we are not of value other than a choice, which can be factored in if the parent has a private matter to factor with their physician…we find this irrelavent in the fact that it is not their body they are conducting this matter with…
as for lodging in another state which offers the choice to kill us…they will factor that in as previously noted that this is murder and that would be a relavent factor therein…where they stayed, who they collaborated with and where they did it….for this is life to be determined by the protection of The United States Constitution
we the children of the unborn determine that the protection clause stated as liberty for Posterity is in fact our freedom of choice to be relevantly determined to reverse the decision in Roe vs. Wade…the previous noted established actions to be granted towards Posterity are previously noted in the opening paragraph in The United States Constitution…which would indicate at the very least welfare for us.. which is established through a protection in The United States Constitution towards our Posterity, which would indicate private protection of them through various means of vitamins and minerals to be established therein through the delivery period of us…if the mother would be determined to be unfit to carry do to cause and effect, health factors would be necessary to be determined at that time…
we firmly believe in our right to live outside of the womb and wish to note that we need to be granted a protection, so we will not be terminated from the mother in question.
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Your Name

posted April 13, 2010 at 3:42 pm


separate- set or kept apart
relevant- affording evidence tending to prove or disprove the matter at issue or under dicussion.
in the final argument of the stages of this case are as follows:
we the children are entitled to life with liberty in the persuit of happiness to be given a choice thereof.
in persuit of this very life which is indicated as freedom of choice, we wish to determine are choice to live in this matter to be effective immediately as follows.
all planned parenthood referal agencies to be shut down and terminated which conduct abortion institutional proceedures
females to be given the necessary actions to proceed with delivery of all children until the birth of the child is factored in, which would be noted to be conducted for distribution of us towards adoption agencies and orphanages worldwide when the birthing parent would conclude that we are not of value in their lives.
we are insisting on protection in the mean time, counselling for the carriers in question and support agencies throughout the pregnancies therein. people who wish to adopt us can sign up immediately at the local adoption agencies and our little bodies will not be dismembered in a private factor thereof.
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Rich

posted April 13, 2010 at 3:42 pm


Cara,
So, in your totalitarian world, hotel desk clerks would somehow need to verify that a woman checking in for overnight lodging was not there for the purposes of obtaining an abortion.
Wow. Cara, the truth is that you are mentally ill.



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posted April 13, 2010 at 3:45 pm


ow look another baby killer supporter popped up, the truth is people who murder are mentally ill….hence rich



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posted April 13, 2010 at 3:47 pm


did you get enough money from your abortion supporters rich?
your black heart is showing…



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posted April 13, 2010 at 3:49 pm


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Your Name

posted April 13, 2010 at 3:51 pm


so, you showed up to protect your own interest,eh?
what was that money?
that is really sick!



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posted April 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm


i know this rich, your not a christian..so why would i expect you to have a good heart.
kill
steal
destroy
that is what your good at
i don’t destroy families, rich!and you?
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HG

posted April 13, 2010 at 4:19 pm


Carabellum: “i know this rich, your not a christian..so why would i expect you to have a good heart.”
Only christian’s can have good hearts? This is why christianity and it’s followers elicit rolling eyes, dislike, and mistrust. “You CAN’T be a good person unless you believe what I believe” is the christian mantra. Instead of bringing people into the fold, as in days of old, it drives them away in droves. Being ignorant AND pushy is lousy combination for which christians are renowned.



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Boris

posted April 14, 2010 at 11:52 am


Well it looks like Mr. Incredible got his wish. Public school textbooks ARE teaching students the truth about Christianity. One biology textbook used in the state of Tennessee no less has this sentence in it: “Creationism: the biblical myth that the universe was created by the Judeo-Christian God in 7 days.” Check out the U-Tube video of the parent of a kid who brought this sentence in the textbook to his attention. Another slack-jawed, inbred, jarhead, redneck. This points up the problem with believing the Bible. Believing the Bible harmful to your mental health as Cara and Incredible prove. It’s also harmful to your physical health as well. I mean why are almost all the Bible believers missing teeth and front teeth too? Whenever I meet a Bible thumper I’m always tempted to hand them a can of deodorant and some shampoo too. The smell and the greasy hair are so repulsive. Obviously believing the Bible makes you teeth fall out. Kind of like meth.



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posted April 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm


Boris,
Thanks for mentioning that YouTube video, I hadn’t seen it.
Factually speaking, Creationism is a myth. Sorry to all the thumpers out there but the concept only be classified as that until somebody provides some empirical evidence which will never happen.
Of course, it took FOX News to try and lend some credibility to this country bumpkin. The complainant never offered any proof of anything, he didn’t contest the accuracy of using the word myth to describe the whole thing. He just doesn’t like it. It would appear he would prefer Creationism to be taught as a fact. Well, if that ever happens they better start teaching Paul Bunyan as a fact. Babe the Blue Ox as well. Hell, I am sure that there is a creation myth associated with the Flying Spaghetti Monster that we can toss in the mix as well.



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posted April 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm


to hg,
well, no comment..from my conclusions of people who are not saved, they are born into sin and wish to keep repeating it or they don’t want to be accountable for what they have done. Kindness is good, but the opinions of supporting abortion enthusiast is darkness.
to boris,
i love to take shower and love all kinds of lotions and love good hygiene. floss, floss, floss, so you can keep your teeth. good brushing technique is always good. circular motions gently towards the gumline with a soft brush, with a toothpaste accredited by the American Dental Association.
to rich,
well if you want to think all of those facts in the Bible are false, well, it is your choice.
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posted April 14, 2010 at 3:37 pm


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Rich

posted April 14, 2010 at 4:02 pm


Cara,
The Bible is “eye candy”?
You really need to get out more often.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 14, 2010 at 5:40 pm


Well, he-she’s done it! Boris has become a caricature of him-herself.



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Mary-Lee

posted April 15, 2010 at 7:49 am


The majority in the Zelman case upheld voucher subsidies for private schools in Cleveland, but Justice Stevens dissented because he recognized that majority of the public funds were going toward religious institutions.
This is exactly what happens each time vouchers are proposed.
In Delaware, we had a state representative who proposed a modest $4,000. voucher be given just to those who were low income. He felt that the voucher would work to give these people the same choice enjoyed by average and high income people.
When it was pointed out that the amount of the voucher would provide only enough money for parents to send their children to Catholic schools, he quickly retreated from his plan.
Private schools charge upwards of $10,000. a year to enroll students. Unless the government is prepared to give these amounts to every parent who wants them for every year that their child(ren) attend school, the voucher system will fail.



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Rich

posted April 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm


Mary-Lee,
The situation you describe is well-known, vouchers really only working out to be a partial subsidy for private school enrollment and practical for use only by the wealthy.
Even given that consideration, vouchers to religious schools should never be authorized for the simplest of reasons. By using the power and might of the state to extract taxes from citizens and then using those funds to pay for a child to receive religious instruction forces taxpayers to fund that very religious instruction. It is clear to me that my neighbor should not ever be legally empowered to knock on my door and say “Hey, by the way, I am sending my kid to a parochial school, I can’t afford the full tuition and have decided that you are going to pay part of the fee”.
As well, since private religious institutions are certainly free to practice whatever discriminatory policies they choose as appropriate, it will always be inappropriate for the entire population to be forced by law to fund an institution that they could never join.



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posted April 15, 2010 at 1:45 pm


your right about one thing rich….



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 17, 2010 at 7:46 am


Rich says:
…it will always be inappropriate for the entire population to be forced by law to fund an institution that they could never join.
Mr. Incredible says:
The entire population is not forced, by law, to fund an institution that they could never join.
First, know what is stopping people from joining. Those who wanna join must join for the purpose of the organization, not their own purposes. So, they must conform to the organization, not the organization conform to them. If the same standard when you go to work for somebody else. They don’t conform to you, rather you conform to them.
Second, money collected from taxes doesn’t have your name on it after it gets to the government. It is the property of the United States. If you don’t agree with the use of that money, cast a ballot in November.



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posted April 17, 2010 at 7:49 am


CORRECTION
know what is stopping people from joining — – > no one is stopping people from joining



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posted April 17, 2010 at 6:18 pm


tell me what the president did in the health care package exactly regarding abortion?
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Mr. Incredible

posted April 17, 2010 at 6:27 pm


Cara asks:
tell me what the president did in the health care package exactly regarding abortion?
Mr. Incredible answers:
Uhhhh, Obammy?



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 18, 2010 at 2:45 am


Cara asks:
tell me what the president did in the health care package exactly regarding abortion?
Mr. Incredible answers:
Uhhhh, Obammy?
Well, Obammy saw to it that public funding of abortions is included in Obammycare. In other words, it’s intended that those of us who, for Godly reasons, oppose elective abortion will pay for abortions anyway.



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Boris

posted April 19, 2010 at 3:17 am


Since Mr. Hutaree repeats the same old arguments again and again and again and again, I repeat:
What’s really dishonest and ironic about the anti-choice stance of Christian totalitarian fascists like Mr. Hutaree, and Cara Floyd, is that they cannot support their anti-choice stance biblically at all The Bible clearly supports the pro-choice position. In Chapter 21:22-23 the Book of Exodus indicates that the fetus does not have the same legal status as a person. That verse indicates that if a man pushes a pregnant woman and she then miscarries, he is required only to pay a fine. If the fetus were considered a full person, he would be punished more severely as though he had taken a life. Verse 23 says that, “If further harm is done, however, you will award life for life…” which proves that the Bible does NOT consider a fetus to be life but only potential life. Case closed.
It’s really disingenuous to argue against pro-choice here on Beliefnet because this Beliefnet site has a wonderful article entitled “The Biblical basis For Being Pro-Choice” written by: Marjorie Brahms Signer. There’s also a link to a more detailed article called “Why Abortion is Biblical” by Brian Elroy McKinley. Anyone can read these articles which completely destroy the position and all the lies of the Christian anti-choice fascists who post on this blog. What’s Mr. Hutaree going to do now? Will he cut and paste all the arguments these two writers made against his fascist position against women and try to refute them here on this blog? Unless he does that then these arguments stand and Mr. Hutaree wallows in defeat, his arguments destroyed by his own holy book. Dance for us now Mr. Hutaree, dance on my string. ROFL!



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posted April 19, 2010 at 5:17 pm


Re: Boris
No, I am not some kind of …whatever your belligerent remarks are, they don’t sum me up at all. For, I write to protect children.
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posted April 19, 2010 at 5:18 pm


I support protecting children.
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posted April 19, 2010 at 5:20 pm


So Obama lied to the public?
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Boris

posted April 19, 2010 at 7:44 pm


Cara,
I support protecting women from lying, sexually frustrated religious fanatics like you and Ms. Hutaree. You anti-choice people are sub human slime. But then hey, you’re Christians.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 21, 2010 at 8:03 am


Boris says:
Cara,
You anti-choice people…
Mr. Incredible translates:

“You anti-pro-kill-the-unborn-by-choice people…”



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Boris

posted April 21, 2010 at 1:37 pm


You pro-kill-innocent-women and doctors for performing a medical procedure guaranteed by the Constitution.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 21, 2010 at 9:07 pm


Boris says:
You pro-kill-innocent-women…
Mr. Incredible says:
Which ones?
Boris says:
and doctors…
Mr. Incredible says:
Doctors don’t have a constitutional Right to abortion. We may regulate doctors.
Boris says:
… for performing a medical procedure guaranteed by the Constitution.
Mr. Incredible says:
It is not a procedure guaranteed by the Constitution.
What is alleged to be guaranteed is privacy which is nowhere to be found in the Constitution.
SCOTUS says that abortion may be regulated.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 21, 2010 at 11:03 pm


SCOTUS cut’n’pasted the Constitution to find “privacy” therein. Thus, it is privacy that is the constitutional Right, not abortion. The Court, in Roe, itself, says that the State may regulate abortion.



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HG

posted April 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm


Reading Justice Stevens’ dissent in the Mojave Cross case is just one more reason why I shall miss his magnificent brain on the Supreme Court. What a sham the majority opinion is, what an obvioius LIE. Justice Stevens had no trouble pointing out the inconsistencies of legal application they employ to get around the establishment clause violation. Read the dissent, and enjoy clarity of legal understanding and reasoning at its finest.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 30, 2010 at 6:31 am


HG says:
Reading Justice Stevens’ dissent in the Mojave Cross case is just one more reason why I shall miss his magnificent brain on the Supreme Court.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“He has a magnificent brain cuz he “

HG says:
What a sham the majority opinion is…
Mr. Incredible translates:

“It must be a sham cuz it doesn’t agree with me.”

HG says:
…what an obvioius LIE.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“It must be a lie cuz it doesn’t agree with me.”

HG says:
Justice Stevens had no trouble pointing out the inconsistencies of legal application they employ to get around the establishment clause violation.
Mr. Incredible says:
With such a magnificent brain, why couldn’t he persuade the majority? Was the majority obstinate, or was he?
HG says:
Read the dissent, and enjoy clarity of legal understanding and reasoning at its finest.
Mr. Incredible translates:

“It is clear, legal understanding and reasoning at its finest cuz it agrees with me.”



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HG

posted April 30, 2010 at 5:23 pm


Incred: ” The Court, in Roe, itself, says that the State may regulate abortion.”
Here is what The Court ruled:
“(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman’s attending physician.
(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.
(c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.”
The State may only regulate abortions during certain stages of pregnancy and only with certain medical judgements in mind, so, NOT ALL abortions are regulatable by the State.



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posted May 1, 2010 at 10:13 am


Mr. Incredible says:
The Court, in Roe, itself, says the State may regulate abortion.
HG says:
The State may only regulate abortions during certain stages of pregnancy and only with certain medical judgements in mind, so, NOT ALL abortions are regulatable [sic] by the State.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that Justice Blackmun says, in Roe, itself, that, if an establishment of “personhood” of the unborn is suggested [by law], and that definition is brought before Court, the Court will rule the other way, and, the State may regulate abortion. That’s cuz only persons get Due Process. Then, what is said to be an undue burden on the woman becomes a due burden.



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