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Lynn v. Sekulow


My Own Family Values

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Sadly, I had to miss this year’s edition of the Religious Right’s “family values” festival — the Values Voters Summit here in Washington.  I was engaging in my own celebration of family values by participating in my son’s wedding out in California.  Now that was a great event.

I’ve been reading many accounts of the Summit and saw a bit of it on C-SPAN.  Last year, the big news was that “pro-family” Sarah Palin had just been nominated as the Republican vice presidential candidate.  She didn’t show up then, but she was busy campaigning elsewhere.  Palin didn’t show up this year either, but unless she doesn’t realize the election is over, she must have decided that she had better places to be even now.  

However, not to forego the Right’s newly found feminism, two of this year’s most awaited speakers were women.  De-crowned Miss California-USA Carrie Prejean showed up to explain how her whole beauty pageant history was some kind of divine plan.  Apparently, God got in touch with blogger Perez Hilton to convince him to ask her the same-sex marriage question that she claims lost her the Miss USA title. Not to worry, though. She noted she will be getting a “bigger crown” later, presumably in heaven.

The big banquet speaker and recipient of the Family Research Council’s highest award was Phyllis Schlafly, the Illinois lawyer widely “credited” with derailing the Equal Rights Amendment.  As I recall, during the last 35 years or so, Phyllis has only been correct about one issue: opposition to the convening of an new Constitutional Convention.  Look, some people are never right (and some of the readers of this blog would put me in that category).

For all the general talk about “values” and “family” and lately what are termed “real womens’ rights,” the Religious Right is as off-base now as it was at its inception in the 1970s.  For all the moaning about whether there are death panels or abortion coverage in the Obama health plan, the truth is that the Right is against health care reform of any meaningful kind.  

If you guys, Jay, didn’t have those two hot button issues to discuss, you’d be complaining about something else. Since “undocumented workers” are not covered by the Obama plan, the Right is now issuing warnings that the Obama Administration has plans to get ”illegals” made legal residents sooner with the yet unintroduced immigration reform bill, so that these folks will then be entitled to health care.  

And if it wasn’t that, then you’d be griping about “undue regulation” of the insurance industry or unfunded mandates or the Tenth Amendment.  It will never stop.  Somehow you are missing the forest for the trees — and the shrubs and the blades of grass.  Many families in America could use help.  Many of them need medical help.  As almost everybody’s grandmother used to say: “If you don’t have your health, you don’t have anything.” 

Those grandmothers had it right. 

Indeed, they also represented some other values.  It was these women — and their daughters and now their grandchildren — who are doing most of the family health care and long-term care.  They left jobs to care for their parents and their spouse’s parents, and they didn’t even get a tax credit for doing it. They went without checkups so that the “breadwinner” could spend more on his health needs.  And they nurtured him in the time of his declining health, usually three years before they died.

Women today still suffer most from the health care crisis that is real and not imagined.  Too bad women leaders and role models of several generations on the Right don’t understand that and get on with the job of working for real reform.  

Carrie and Phyllis, are you listening?  

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TomS

posted September 23, 2009 at 3:06 am


Phyllis Schlafly was indeed thirty years ago touring the nation to defeat the Equal Rights Amendment. I was working for it and heard her say women should stay home and serve their husbands. When criticized for not doing the same, she said she had a very generous husband.



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2009 at 1:58 pm


The problem is when a women finally stays home to help give her children the best upbringing she can with morals and respectable manners taught, it seems that society at large has critisized the women for doing so. Not all by any standards, it seems to be turning the corner.
I am not saying that when a women has to work to make ends meet or if she can juggle two or three balls at once in the work force, she should not do so. For there is a place for everybody to work and not all people are in the circumstances to have a child or to stay home with the child.
Cara



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Marian

posted September 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm


What I remember Schlafly saying was that if the ERA passed, in the next war, women would be coming home in body bags. Well, we DIDN’T pass the ERA, and women are STILL coming home in body bags.



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PeterN

posted September 23, 2009 at 3:30 pm


Phyllis Slow Fly didn’t have anything to do with the defeat of the ERA. It was Roe v. Wade. Once the Supremes made the decision to allow abortions, the Feminism movement lost its most relevant issue. Once again, another point made by the “Lack of Value Voters” they got wrong.
Just like the LVVs love the USA in two wars and totally support sending more troops to die and spending trillions on expanding our war machines including the idiot guided missile defense system. Then screaming that after bailing out the banks, S&Ls, and insurance giants, we don’t have any money to pay for health care reform. The Republicans values: killing good, saving lifes bad. Some values you got there.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted September 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm


Congratulations, Rev. Barry, on your son’s wedding. Indeed, it sounds like it was a happy occasion. My question is why didn’t I get an invite to liven up the party? You know I am teasing, right?
In regards to the right being against the Obama death care plan and health care in its entirety, this is a HUGE stereotype. How do you know? Did you personally conduct one of those skewed polls from the same group that stated Obama was actually gaining points in the public eye from the Obama death plan?
I’m all for health care, but for a plan that will save more lives than lose them.



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DSJulian

posted September 23, 2009 at 3:54 pm


With all the Republicans coming out of the closet and confessing their extramarital affairs, etc., it’s no wonder they had to give the award to someone who has less relevance in our society today than Sarah Palin’s old lover…
Maybe next year they can change their name to the Hypo-crats!



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2009 at 6:52 pm


Not all who take care of elderly parents are female. It isn’t easy to keep health insurance for full time home care givers; it eats my savings, and getting sick or wounded isn’t allowed anyway. I’ve been a house mouse for thirteen years and, no complaint mind you, I wonder how I’m going to get my broken parts mended if I live through this! Isn’t letting broken parts go untended for lack of income closer to a death panel ruling than end of life counseling?



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2009 at 8:43 pm


Re:Dsjulien,
What does extra marital affairs have to do with it anyway?
I can understand if they are leading the country why this would be a conscern, but to reflect on Sarah Palin as if it is part of her moral character, is wrong. She is very honorable and a hard working individual. She holds herself upright and is a good example of a strong women.
As for the Republican remarks, let’s stick to the issues, shall we. Let us not bog down the issues with smoke and mirrors. The Republicans at this point are trying to point out that children have the right to be protected under law, not for whatever reason killed because of some case which should not have even been legal in my eyes. Seeing how the children in the womb are indeed our posterity and indeed need to be protected by law seeing how our Constitution states that they need to be given a defense.
God Bless,
Cara Floyd



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted September 24, 2009 at 10:43 am


Your Name: Calling people names is very immature on your part. This blog is for debate purposes, not to tear others down. Speaking of names, are you not brave enough to use your REAL name that you have to hide behind some sort of facade?
Tell me where I have spoken a lie. Allowing government-funded abortion to take place under Obama Death Care is not death? In my eyes and God’s, it most certainly is. The biggest lie comes from Pres. Barack denying to the American people and pastors that tax-payer funded abortion is not going to happen when in fact it is.



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Laura

posted September 24, 2009 at 11:45 am


Death Panels are to Health Insurance Reform as Unisex Bathrooms were to the Equal Rights Amendment. Both lies are perpetrated by the Insurance Industry. The ERA would have ended gender-based rates. Depending on the policy, sometime men pay more and sometimes women. Health Insurance Reform could end the gender-based rates that discriminate against women.



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churchmouse

posted September 25, 2009 at 5:28 pm


Lynn forgets that woman today in America have the right to kill their unborn children. What greater power could a person possess.
Lindzee Lindholm you really speak the truth. Obama is all about lies and deception. He won’t include illegals in his Health Care Package…..he plans to grant them all amnesty so then they will be covered. He feels that we citizens of the United States owe the world and we should have to pick up the tab for anyone outside our borders as well.
He has a plan and has always had a plan. Look at those he has ALWAYS surrounded himself with. The people that voted him into office are just now starting to see what they did to our great nation. Now we all will have to live with it.



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Boris

posted September 25, 2009 at 9:21 pm


Churchmouse,
I have refuted your arguments below point by point:
Lynn forgets that woman today in America have the right to kill their unborn children. What greater power could a person possess.
Boris says: What you want to do is give people who work for the government the power to force parenthood on people who don’t want it or are not ready for it. I can’t think of a greater power or misuse of power especially in the hands of people who have no personal interest in either a woman or the fetus she is carrying.
Lindzee Lindholm you really speak the truth. Obama is all about lies and deception. He won’t include illegals in his Health Care Package…..he plans to grant them all amnesty so then they will be covered. He feels that we citizens of the United States owe the world and we should have to pick up the tab for anyone outside our borders as well.
Boris says: The United States does owe the world especially after 8 years of a regime that believed the United States OWNS the world and can therefore police it any way it sees fit. We have U.S. corporations that purposely keep people in other nations in poverty and then we wonder why foreigners come here where there are minimum wage laws and jobs with benefits. The president isn’t lying and isn’t out to grab power for himself or his party and especially not the office of the president which he is well aware is a temporary job and could be turned over to nut cases like Reagan or the Bushes in the near future.
He has a plan and has always had a plan. Look at those he has ALWAYS surrounded himself with.
Boris says: Bush didn’t have a plan. He started two wars with no exist strategies and left Obama to devise his own plan to get out of the mess Bush created all of which was based on big fat Christian
The people that voted him into office are just now starting to see what they did to our great nation. Now we all will have to live with it.
Boris says: According to the polls the people who voted for Obama are happy with him and the ones that didn’t aren’t. Then there are the ones who voted just to vote against McCain like me. I’m unhappy because Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul would have put an end to those two stupid wars a long time ago and all our troops would be home and all the military bases that are in places they are not welcomed by the population would have been closed. I’m unhappy with the health care bill because it doesn’t go far enough. We need to nationalize the health care system and we will some day. Let’s just get it over with.



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Your Name

posted September 26, 2009 at 7:54 pm


Yes we have a problem on our hands, policies which don’t line up with saving lives.



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Your Name

posted September 29, 2009 at 4:59 pm


Point made



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Mr. Incredible

posted September 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm


==De-crowned Miss California-USA Carrie Prejean…==
You DO realize that the Pageant is a private organization, don’t you?
==… showed up to explain how her whole beauty pageant history was some kind of divine plan.==
We know you find that hard to believe.
== Apparently, God got in touch with blogger Perez Hilton to convince him to ask her the same-sex marriage question that she claims lost her the Miss USA title.==
That could be. God could’ve done here what He did with Abraham and Issaac: Test Abraham, not to see for Himself where he stood, rather so that Abraham could know and increase the depth of his faith. Miss Prejean passed the test. In the final analysis, she sacrificed her own stuff for God. Good for her!
==She noted she will be getting a “bigger crown” later, presumably in heaven.==
She’s correct!



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Mr. Incredible

posted September 30, 2009 at 11:18 pm


DSJulian
September 23, 2009 3:54 PM
With all the Republicans coming out of the closet and confessing their extramarital affairs, etc….
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At least they’re confessing.
In any case, what’s the relevance to governance?
By the way, Sarah Palin’s book is a bestseller even before it’s published.
REMEMBER:
It’s now 13 months and counting until we correct what went wrong last November.
It’s now three years and one month until we make further correction.



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Mr. Incredible

posted October 1, 2009 at 1:03 am


==What you want to do is give people who work for the government the power to force parenthood on people who don’t want it or are not ready for it.==
Then, people shouldn’t be doing the things that they know may result in their having babies. The child shouldn’t pay for the “crime” of the parents.



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Your Name

posted October 1, 2009 at 3:15 pm


“[Sarah Palin] She is very honorable “
No, Cara, she is not. She lies about the President (bearing false witness is a sin, remember). There are no “death panels” (yet another lie). She got pregnant before marriage. Sorry but lying and fornication are not hallmarks of an “honorable” person.
Feel free to try again, but you’re going to have to do better.



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Mr. Incredible

posted October 1, 2009 at 10:06 pm


==[Sarah Palin] She is very honorable ==
Yes! She is! She’s wonderful! Libs are very afraid of her. As martha Steart would say, “It’s a good thing!”



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