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Jeremiah on Theistic Evolution

posted by David Klinghoffer

REMBRANDT, Jeremiah Lamenting the Destruction of Jerusalem, 1630, Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam - jeremiah-2005.04.03-16.37.44.jpg

I can’t leave the discussion about the religious reconcilers of God and Darwin without quoting Jeremiah on false prophets (6:13-16), who plied their trade by going up and down among the people telling them exactly what they wanted to hear: That there was no threat from Babylon, all would be well, there was no need to choose a single path and walk on it:

They relieved the [impending] disaster of My people by making light of it, saying “Peace! Peace!” But there is no peace….

Thus said the Lord: Stand on the roads and see; ask about the various paths of history, which path is best, and walk on it and find solace for your soul.

But they said, “We will not walk.”

Of course, the false prophets were mistaken (6:22-23). There was indeed a looming threat that soon overtook them and everyone else:

Thus said the Lord: Behold, a people is coming from the land of the North, a great nation will rouse itself from the ends of the earth. They will grasp bow and spear; it is [a] cruel [nation] and they will not have pity.



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Turmarion

posted June 6, 2009 at 2:02 am


Perhaps those going around telling people that they don’t have to be disturbed about their faith because science is wrong on things like evolution are the ones telling people what they want to hear?
In any case, with all due respect, such an application of this particular scripture is, to say the least, a stretch!



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DML

posted June 6, 2009 at 2:24 pm


I think actually the main point that Jeremiah was trying to make was that a powerful irresistible force was going to overtake us, so it would be a form of self-delusion to ignore the threat. Evolution is the the modern day Nebuchadnezzer, a reality that we can’t simply ignore away.



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Glen Davidson

posted June 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm


So, um, Miller and Collins are prophets?
Should we ask, then, if Collins’ appeal to cosmological ID (Miller’s too, though he says it’s just for believers) is false and “telling the people what they want to hear”? I’ll buy that, but it puts David and Collins in the same boat on that issue.
It’s fun, certainly, to turn the tables on David that way, yet, more importantly, it cuts to the central issues of epistemology and deciding what is truth. For, if we’re going to go around calling people like Collins names (in context, it’s unmistakable that David is doing just that), we’re going to have to back up our claims if we’re going to be taken seriously.
And then we’re getting to matters like, “does god lie” by making life look evolved sans guidance, is David doing religion any favors by trying to force it to oppose solid science, and are religious people given a special dispensation to deal dishonestly with the evidence?
That is to say, we’re not dealing with prophets at all, we’re dealing with fundamental issues which are involved in deciding people’s guilt and innocence, relating research done on rats to human health (are macacques really better models than rats and mice, and why or why not?), treating cancers, and dealing with the evolution of virulent organisms.
I should think that telling religious folk to deny reasonable models which give structure and coherence to biological research might be the “false prophecy.” I do not doubt that evolution can be problematic for believers, yet I know of no reason why evolution cannot be as compatible with religion as heliocentrism (today it’s a heliocentric solar system, not universe, of course) is–or is not.
Above all, are religious people really supposed to be slack-jawed ignoramuses? Is that what true prophets prophesy? If so, that is really about the worst thing that a person could say or imply regarding religion and the religious.
Glen Davidson
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Your Name

posted June 6, 2009 at 5:54 pm


I don’t think Jeremiah knew anything about theistic evolution.



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Turmarion

posted June 6, 2009 at 10:31 pm


DML: Evolution is the the modern day Nebuchadnezzer, a reality that we can’t simply ignore away.
I don’t know about Nebuchadnezzar, but evolution certainly is a reality, and it can’t be simply ignored away, no matter how much anti-evolutionists might like!



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DML

posted June 7, 2009 at 10:44 pm


Tumarion,
Yes, evolution is a certain reality. I was just trying to compare Jeremiah’s attempts to convey reality in his day to the impossible task that anti-evolution folks have of opposing evolution today.



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Your Name

posted June 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm


I am always faithful and confident to the power of God to rescue His
people from all kinds of evil.When everything seems hopeless,God
best demonstrates His power by all means,out of love to and for His people.



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