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Should male church staff members have beards? (the theology of facial hair)

Fundie Jack tells us why he doesn’t let his church staff have beards…


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Adam C. Erickson

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:03 am


“Major on the majors, minor on the minors.” I feel as if the length of that response gave much more weight to the beard argument than “minoring” on it. Did I really just watch an almost 4 minute ramble on why a guy can’t have a beard?



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Jackie McGinnis

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:04 am


…culture is changing; therefore we should stay the same in all ways possible…



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Justin

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:07 am


For most of its history, his church wouldn’t have posted videos online, but I don’t see him caring much about keeping with tradition in that sense. Or maybe he’s bought into the anything-goes mindset of the 60s and 70s?

:)



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    Preston

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:09 am


    Zing!



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    Loo

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:20 am


    Why did I even waste the time to watch it? I will keep most of the words I wish to use to myself, but has ‘smarmy’ entered the US English language?



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      Noelle

      posted April 15, 2011 at 6:06 pm


      Yes. We do use smarmy. It suits him well.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:21 am


    And therein lies the REAL problem here. They pick and choose what they will keep and toss.



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      Aran

      posted April 15, 2011 at 12:42 pm


      BINGO!!!!!!!

      I’ve always wondered how that point “keep this but don’t keep this” is missed by those who practice it.



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James Williams

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:08 am


I hate to give this guy any props, because he is a dipstick and a jerk. But his answer here was the most reasonable explanation of anything I have seen him say since you exposed him to me last week. I have worked in a few jobs where beards were not allowed. This is no different. He was careful to say it’s not a matter of what’s biblical or not, but a simple matter of an employer setting a policy for employees.



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    Dan

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:58 am


    Here’s the thing that gets me about this. The Fundamentalists cling to Levitical rules as the “standards” of living, so if Lev. 19:27 expressly forbids shaving, why hold the opposite viewpoint?

    And he says in this video that the way they dress is more traditional than Biblical, etc, but I’ve seen sermons from him where he’s screaming about how proper dress IS Biblical…

    While I appreciate the “kinder, gentler” Jack of the Q&A segments I struggle with the answer based on the “other” Jack we see preaching…



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Jesse

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:09 am


He talked for 4 minutes on something he could have just as easily said “Meh, it’s not a major issue, but we’ve decided to do it as a church… thanks, next question…”

Can I have my four minutes and thirty three seconds back? :(



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MM

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:10 am


“FEAR THE BEARD!”



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Brandon

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:10 am


… because no one in “Bible Times” had beards.

This raises other theological questions. Namely, what about people who have never heard of razors? Or Barbasol? Will they be able to be staff members?

No! Because they’re not white American fundamental Christians. Silly me.



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Ian

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:10 am


It makes me uneasy that he is so calm and logical in his QA videos. I’m not sure why. He’s just so….. winsome.

It’s a little nauseating.



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Noah

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:12 am


I for one, would not attend a church that suggested/requested my grooming/fashion choices be changed in order to partake in weekly pew-sitting.



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    James Williams

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:14 am


    Did you even watch the video? He specifically said he wasn’t talking about church members. Only those who worked for the staff.

    I hate sounding like I am defending this guy, but accuracy and truth about what he said are important. This clown has said lots of stuff that’s wrong; it’s all over Youtube. Let’s focus on that stuff instead.



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fivebares

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:14 am


This video is a non-issue for me. I generally enjoy poking fun at discrepancies and whatnot, but sometimes we’re looking so hard to find something to make fun of or give commentary on that we become the type of fundamentalism we’re supposedly against. This guy seems pretty tame. So his church staff is beardless. So what. Others are similar, others are different. No sin issue here, no malice, no attempt to push a perspective onto other people. And therefore, in my mind, nothing to satirize. When we cross the line of mocking to make a point to mocking just to mock, I think we’re doing a disservice to the body. And while I guess you could make a “fundie” point about this video, I don’t think it would be a very provoking one. But just my take. Usually dig your perspective man, so in general keep it up. :)



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:17 am


    This isn’t something to judge. But that doesn’t make it not interesting or something to discuss. Not every post is an attempt to poke fun.



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    James Williams

    posted April 15, 2011 at 11:18 am


    He does seem tame in this clip. However, there are plenty of others where he says gems like “It’ll be a cold day in hell before i learn theology from a woman.”

    That said, you are correct. Some are looking at this clip hoping for another chance to slam him, but in this clip, he’s actually offering a rational explanation for his employment policy. I don’t agree with him, but he’s certainly entitled.



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Robyn

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:21 am


My favorite line is when he says they aren’t trying to make a statement with their dress. Ha!
Because clearly they are, he just spent 3+ minutes explaining what kind of statement they are and are not trying to make with their dress and facial hair.
That said, at least he has a reason.



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Brad Hensley

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:32 am


Best Comment of the whole thing @ 2:33.

“I have taken a long time to answer this…”

I understand his policy but like he said, it is traditional and I’m not… but he has his right as the “employer”.



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Brian Moore

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:38 am


I appreciate the humility with which he expresses his opinion, seems to be genuine and all.
Interesting, however, that he says that he doesn’t want to follow the culture…the “no beard” was a culture at one time that they adopted somewhere in the 123 years of the church’s existence and they decided to stay there in that culture. Doesn’t make sense to hold on to a tradition like that, but I think the Yankees still do a mustache only rule for their players?



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Jeff

posted April 15, 2011 at 12:37 pm


This was the first non-offensive video of his that you’ve posted and I’ve watched. I don’t watch all of the videos you post, because some days, I don’t think I can handle being riled appropriately.

I went to a baptist college that required daily shaving of the face. I grew my first beard right after I transferred, because I was lazily enjoying my facial freedom. I almost always have one now. Their reason had more to do with sinful appearance, as opposed to Jack’s position. They went worldly shortly after I left, allowing the married men to have mustaches.



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Mark

posted April 15, 2011 at 12:41 pm


I get it, Fundie Jack is the CEO (and CFO) of his church and his deacons are the board of directors.



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Joshua Wulf

posted April 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm


I’ll repeat the same thing everyone has said, but it’s what I was thinking through the whole video. Whether I agree with his explanation or not, I wish he took this approach to explaining all of his preferences.



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Hardison

posted April 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm


it seems like control is a repeating factor with these folks.



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LRA

posted April 15, 2011 at 1:43 pm


Because clearly beardedness is an important issue when 1 billion people on our planet are living in abject poverty…

What a jack*ss.



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Josh

posted April 15, 2011 at 2:17 pm


If I’m not mistaken I think the greatest disciple maker ever (JESUS) had a beard. But this guy in the video probably isn’t very interested in makeing disciples to go out and share Gods love.



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JohnnyHow

posted April 15, 2011 at 2:21 pm


That was worth a 3 minute discussion. The biblical example seemed pointless… quite comical to see a pastor address something so trivial with so much effort.



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JohnnyHow

posted April 15, 2011 at 2:28 pm


Just thought of something… half beards would make everybody happy, wouldn’t they?



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Cameron

posted April 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm


He says that he doesn’t allow male staff members to have beards. I don’t remember anything about female staff members though.

I will not learn about facial hair from a woman!



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Joshua Wypij

posted April 15, 2011 at 8:20 pm


wow.. i feel like he sounds normal here. I wonder why he doesn’t feel this way about women in ministry? he says it’s a cultural issue.. so was women in ministry!!!!



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Rachel Perry

posted April 15, 2011 at 11:59 pm


Wait for it…wait for it… Ah-haa! I knew there had to be a “butt” in there somewhere. Er, “but.” Darn “t” key sticks sometimes! =P



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Carrie

posted April 16, 2011 at 12:15 am


Not one of his worst videos (the ones I watched last week about women infuriated me–and I still consider myself IFB). I disagree with his stand on it, but at least his explanation wasn’t pompous.

On deputation, my husband called a church, well-known for its “standards”. My husband was asked three questions:

1. Do any males in your home wear facial hair?
2. Do any females in your home wear pants?
3. Do you own a TV?

My husband responded with, “Um, if I send you a prayer card, will you pray for us?”

That night I turned and looked at him and told him how reprobate we must be—he had a five o’clock shadow, I was wearing pajama pants, and together we were watching Monday Night Football.



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Derrick

posted April 16, 2011 at 8:47 am


Ugh…doesn’t he just seem so slimy here? It’s oozing from his pores and dripping on the desk.



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Josh R

posted April 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm


These “Ask the Preacher” tidbits are simply priceless. And Schaap is so folksy and chuckly during said soundbytes. Now if I could only grow a beard!



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Sisterlisa

posted April 17, 2011 at 6:15 pm


Same guy as last week? ;) naaaa couldn’t be..unless he’s bi-polar. or multiple personality disorder. Yep, that’s gotta be it.. I had lunch with him once. His arrogance is a permanent part of his demeanor. He’s been like this for YEARS. I don’t care what an employer requests of his employees for a dress code while on the job, but off the job? No thanks. If he worked at McDonald’s would he wear that uniform on his off time? I don’t think so. Any church that requires you to wear a uniform to be a member, then expect you to dress like that on your off time has a control problem. The bible doesn’t say people need to wear a suit and tie to serve him and love others. They even have a ‘what should I wear’ section on their website http://www.fbchammond.com/new/first-visit/#what-should-i-wear



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Richo

posted April 17, 2011 at 8:49 pm


Maybe he just wants his staff to not look like Muslim Imams…



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Christian Farris

posted April 18, 2011 at 7:39 am


Did anyone else notice that he clearly stated that FBCH will NOT adapt to the culture trends but they encourage their missionaries on foreign land TO adapt to the culture trends… Neutrally. Whatever in the hell that means.

Isn’t that a double standard? Of course, not at all a surprise to have double standards in fundy land. It’s one giant paradox anyway.



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Jeremy's Confessions

posted April 20, 2011 at 7:56 pm


The best rules are the ones that you have just because your church has had that rule for over 100 years.



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