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molly

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:15 am


Did anyone else hear the guy with Glen Beck say, “In a general sense, these are precisely polar opposites.”

generally precise?



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    Chad

    posted February 18, 2011 at 1:30 pm


    That was the first thing that stuck out to me as well.



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Brad S

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:20 am


Most of us look at this and laugh or shake our heads in disbelief. However, the scary thing is that there is a small percentage of the population that hangs on this guy’s every word and many of them are armed. We do not need another reason to incite violence against Muslims. I am afraid this will do just that.



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Matt Emery

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:27 am


I mean… not a terrible segment. He allowed both guys to talk and didn’t attempt to manipulate as is pretty common on Fox.



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    Brad S

    posted February 18, 2011 at 10:34 am


    But both persons Glenn has on in this segment are cut, essentially from the same cloth. Dr. Jasser is a neocon who agrees with everything that Glenn Beck is saying. Glenn is offering the illusion of diversity but in reality it is not the case.



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Barnabas

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:27 am


If you would read Richardson’s book and listen fairly to what Beck is saying you would realize just the opposite. Believe, I hold no brief for beck and his Mormonism; however, the naivete of those attacking him is great – he comes under massive criticism not for anything he does but for simply pointing out what the *Iranians* believe and are working towards!

Why would anyone watch this and then laugh and shake his head in unbelief at Beck instead of at Ahmedinejad?

I highly recommend Richardson’s book (notice I supply no affiliate link) for a well-researched look at what these people are actually seeking and what their traditions say.



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    Rob

    posted February 18, 2011 at 11:49 am


    Have you seen Beck’s segment about the Islamic Caliphate that he sees coming that will dominate the Eurasian continent! This segment was indeed as lucid as I have seen Beck, but in most cases he is disingenuous and phony. This guy is bat-sh*t crazy and dangerous because people who are fearful and uninformed do hang on his every word.



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    Green Eggs and Ham

    posted February 19, 2011 at 2:21 am


    I am a socialist. I would no more assist in making a caliphate than i would contribute to the building fund of any church.

    I would poke sticks in my eyes before i did either.



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Nate

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:30 am


It seems his point isn’t that the average Muslim believes in the 12th Imam, but that some world leaders (Iran), influencing an already-tenuous part of the world, are basing national policy decisions on this insane theology. Not sure why it’s such a bad thing to be informed, especially when it has the potential to radically influence our daily lives with spiraling oil prices and additional political unrest.



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SW

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:30 am


I actually think there is a lot of validity to what is being said here. Please take some time and research the points he is making. I do not always agree with Beck, nor do I stand on the same religious lines that he does… but that is not the point… there are more signs then ever before in history that the time is drawing near. He is not the only one saying such things: Dr. David Jeremiah, Pastor Skip Heitzig, Dr. Charles Stanley, Joel Rosenberg…. to name a few are all talking about the signs and that they are all pointing to one thing.

I in no way think that this will ensue violence against the Muslims, although there will be tremendous amounts of violence in the end of days… what I think this should mean for all believers is to prepare themselves and those around them. Talk about the return of Christ for it is comfort… NOT fear!



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LRA

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:33 am


How can people be this stupid? Really. How is this possible?

(1) Glenn Beck does not understand what the word “research” means.

(2) Confirmation bias.

(3) Constructing an argument on the literal interpretation of an interpretation of Koine Greek is… stupid!

(4) The context of Revelations hints that the actual anti-Christ was…. (drumroll)…. NERO.

(5) Confirmation bias.

(6) I think I need to move to one of the Nordic countries.
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    LRA

    posted February 18, 2011 at 10:54 am


    Is there any Christian here who can speak intelligently about eschatology? I think end-times speculation for the future is absolutely brain-numbingly stupid.

    If you actually *read* the Bible it is astoundingly clear that Jesus was supposed to return immediately. He didn’t. It’s been about 2000 years. Return fail.

    If you actually look at Revelations in context, the world did end. The Roman world actually ended. It resulted in tribulations that set human progress back hundreds of years. It was called the Dark Ages. However, that is actually a coincidence, not a prophesy. The author of Revelations was writing in the 1st century AD when the Roman Empire was dealing with a string of tyrants and the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Hmmm… you think such a thing might make Jews a little skiddish? Enough to write a book like Revelations?

    Finally, if you think that symbolic prophesy is real then are you also going to support Nostradamus? Ichadon? The Ch’an? The Jewish 55 prophets?



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      Joe Crenshaw

      posted February 18, 2011 at 11:34 am


      LRA,

      I couldn’t disagree with you more. I understand your view but I don’t agree with it.

      Try not to sound so condescending to folks who disagree with your view points. You come off as “Beckian.”



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        LRA

        posted February 18, 2011 at 5:19 pm


        I’m sorry but I can’t help but feel that this kind of stupidity is driving idiots like George Bush to make frightening policies about the Middle East based on ignorant understandings of 2000 year old documents to the point of putting us in danger today.

        I have no sympathy for people who are actually *wanting* the world to end, *wishing* for it. That is utterly unbelievable and I have nothing but negative feelings toward these people and their idiocy.

        These are the same idiots that don’t want to implement global climate change restrictions to protect our planet from unscrupulous business men who would rape our planet to make a fast buck. If the world is going to end, it will do so because of poor human stewardship, not because of some silly 2000 year old fantasy.



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      Adam Ellis

      posted February 18, 2011 at 12:12 pm


      LRA,
      I don’t have time to do it today, but I think I can speak intelligently on Eschatology.
      AE
      P.S. Fantastic point about trying to literally interpret a translated text.



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        LRA

        posted February 18, 2011 at 5:28 pm


        Absolutely looking forward to it!!!
        :D



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      Darcy

      posted February 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm


      There are many of us, actually. We’re called “Preterists”. And most Evangelicals don’t like us very much. :P

      Preterism = “past fulfillment”.



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        LRA

        posted February 18, 2011 at 10:29 pm


        I think what upsets me about the Evangelical view of future rapture is the notion of terrible suffering and genocide levied upon *billions* of people at the whim of a wrathful “God”. How is that loving? How is that good? How is that not Hitler on steroids? How can people *look forward* to such a thing? How can people want foreign policy (concerning Israel and the Middle East) based upon such a thing???

        It is deeply disturbing to me. It is horrifying! I just cannot understand how people can embrace such a thing!



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      Green Eggs and Ham

      posted February 19, 2011 at 2:30 am


      I am not a christian any more. I studied theology formally. Even got me a shiny paper that says so.

      Eschatology is a Rorschach test. It says everything about you and nothing about the end of the world.

      When I was waist deep in “end times” 30 years ago, Henry Kissinger was the Anti-Christ, the Soviet Union was going to invade Israel any day now, the European Union, which had 10 members then, was something so super horribly bad and bar code readers were precursors to the Mark of the Beast.

      Everyone was convinced the Rapture was very soon. If they were right, then today’s christians should be packed and standing on the hillside.



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        LRA

        posted February 19, 2011 at 7:22 am


        I don’t understand how people can claim a “loving” “God” can do such a thing. I don’t understand how people can even claim a “just” “God” can do such a thing.

        It seems to me that people who think that future end-times tribulation is a good or just thing for “God” to do to people are really misanthropes. They forget that children will be left behind (or maybe thy don’t?). How do children deserve that? (Perhaps the children of heathens are somehow “tainted”?) Seriously! Any “God” that would do such a thing is evil and absolutely does not deserve worship or adoration.

        A good and just “God” would *never* allow something like that to happen. Then again, a good and just “God” would never allow something like the Genesis flood (taken literally) to happen either.



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          Green Eggs and Ham

          posted February 19, 2011 at 9:37 am


          This same God, right now, stands by and does nothing when his priests rape children. The problem is so bad that the RCC has an organized pedophile ring in it, and a much larger ring of enablers and defenders.



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          LRA

          posted February 19, 2011 at 7:52 pm


          Those who can believe absurdities can commit atrocities.

          -Voltaire



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Justin

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:44 am


“He is not the only one saying such things: Dr. David Jeremiah, Pastor Skip Heitzig, Dr. Charles Stanley, Joel Rosenberg…. to name a few are all talking about the signs and that they are all pointing to one thing.”

There have ALWAYS been people talking about how history is about to draw to a close. And every single one of them has been wrong.



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    SW

    posted February 18, 2011 at 11:02 am


    But aren’t we told to watch: Luke 12:35-40 “35 “Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

    Just because there have ALWAYS been people talking about the return does NOT mean that it will not happen. It will happen. And when it does we are to be ready.



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      Dan

      posted February 18, 2011 at 11:15 am


      And just as the last two verses say, you must always be ready exactly because YOU WILL NOT KNOW WHEN IT IS COMING. Eventually someone who says “the end of the world is tomorrow” will be right. Is it because they are anointed or because of circumstantial coincidence? And what’s to separate him from the 1000′s of Chicken Littles over the last 2000 years that have used the Bible & “current events” to point to “end times coming soon?”

      Yes, each day we are closer to the return. Time does not go backwards. But hanging on the words of anyone claiming to have insight into when is a waste of time, as you clearly point out in Luke 12:40



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        SW

        posted February 18, 2011 at 11:31 am


        Oh, I completely agree with you… but just because we will not know the day nor the hour, we will see the signs and therefore should not discount what the signs are pointing to simply because there have “Always” been people pointing out the signs.



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      Darcy

      posted February 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm


      Actually, SW, THEY were told to be watchful. Because the “end times” were going to happen in their generation. See Matt. 24:34 and Matt. 16:28. I just love how Futurist claim to take every prophecy “literally” except the ones that talk about TIME. :P



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SW

posted February 18, 2011 at 11:05 am


Paul also wrote on this: I Thess. 4-13-18 “But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethern, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For is we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring us with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”



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Dan

posted February 18, 2011 at 11:06 am


I think rather than the gnostic scrolls, a more appropriate Christian comparison to the particular Hadith in question are the golden plates found in Palmyra. Wonder why Beck didn’t use that?



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Christine

posted February 18, 2011 at 11:32 am


Glenn’s gained some weight, eh?



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Joe Crenshaw

posted February 18, 2011 at 11:40 am


I think Glenn did a good job. I live in one of the most heavily Muslim areas of this nation and I have enjoyed learning about Islam.

I feel so many folks on the right and on the left don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to Islam.

As many “messed up” Christians I know of, I know of as many “messed up” Muslims. People are people and when people pursue righteousness they usually fall short.

There are some Muslims who believe in the end times which is similar to the biblical end times as indicated in this clip. They do believe JESUS is going to return, not to judge the quick and the dead but to convert all of us Christians to Islam as he indicated.

Now do I agree with the one guy sitting down sounding like Jack Van Impe? Nope, those “end timers” are just folks looking to hustle cash and are so far off sound biblical doctrine they might as well start marketing angel feathers and golden blood.

We all know Beck is a blow hard . .



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SW

posted February 18, 2011 at 11:57 am


“Whether Christ returns tomorrow or 10,000 years from now, it is still soon and near, at least from God’s perspective. The day of the Lord will surely come, whether we see it in our lifetimes or not. Though it has been nearly 2,000 years since He ascended into the heavens, we should not grow weary of waiting, we should not doubt or scoff, but we should rather remember that His timing is not like ours and He is surely faithful to complete what He has promised. Let us echo the words of Paul, Maranatha.” Geoff Ashley, The Village Church



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    Brian Estabrook

    posted February 18, 2011 at 12:25 pm


    Amen. Thank you so much for posting this.



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FDR

posted February 18, 2011 at 1:02 pm


LRA,
that is about the worst comment ever on this site. Wow. Really bad.



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    Melody

    posted February 18, 2011 at 1:44 pm


    Care to elaborate? If you have no reason other than you just disagree with her, you have no argument. Just your opinion.



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    Elemenope

    posted February 18, 2011 at 2:21 pm


    Physician, heal thyself.



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    LRA

    posted February 18, 2011 at 5:25 pm


    FDR is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Critical of me but without listing logical reasons why or discussing intelligently why the “future end-times” position is even remotely plausible.

    That’s a real shame. People ought to be able to defend their ideas with appropriate discussions on them.



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Mark

posted February 18, 2011 at 2:26 pm


The “pre-trib” belief system in only about 180 years old. It began in Scotland with either Margaret McDonald or John Nelson Derby. McDonald (a teenage girl) was the first person to use the term “The Rapture” to describe Christians being removed from earth before the reign of the anti-Christ.
This belief system was imported to America where it caught on, due to a large number of independent unregulated churches full of uneducated members.
What brought it to the masses was the “Schofield Reference Bible”. Schofield was a fraud. He claimed to have a doctorate of divinity degree but never attended college. He also dumped his first wife for a younger wealthier woman, and spent time in prison of embezzling money from his former mother-in-law. This left his former mother-in-law and his daughters first his first marriage destitute. Even after Schofield because wealthy from the publication of his “bible”, he never repaid his former mother-in-law or helped out his daughters, who all died in poverty!
How would god feel about someone lying on their resume and putting it in the bible? Well “Doctor” Schofield did and fundies don’t give a damn.
The disturbing part about Pre-trib is how integrated it is into American foreign policy. There are many people in elective office, the military and the intelligent services who are guided by “end time prophecies”. I once talked to employee from NSA; he told me there were people at his office who would talk about how events in the Middle East were fitting into biblical prophecy! And don’t get me started on the fundie influence in the American military.
Hal Lindsay’s “The Late Great Planet Earth” may have been the bestselling book of the 1970s. Lindsay also “advised” President Reagan. The “Left Behind” series have sold over 65 million copies. Yet the America press does not report on this belief system, its origins, it history and how it affects American foreign policy. Maybe it’s time not only to attach Beck, but also this dangerous belief system.



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    LRA

    posted February 18, 2011 at 5:33 pm


    *applause!*

    It is indeed a dangerous belief system.



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    Green Eggs and Ham

    posted February 19, 2011 at 2:36 am

karenzach

posted February 19, 2011 at 4:26 pm


Beck armed with a pointer is scary enough but the thing I have never understood about this the entire discussion of End Times is isn’t this the thing we are “hoping” for? However it comes down, aren’t we all praying, Come quickly Lord Jesus? You’ve tarried long enough for Glen Beck to the get the big head.



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JoshH

posted February 20, 2011 at 11:00 am


One grand irony is that if these really are the “End Times,” most of Glenn Beck’s viewers would say he’s going to Hell if they knew he’s a Mormon. The fact that he’s a moron, on the other hand, is something they don’t mind.



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Joe

posted February 21, 2011 at 10:51 am


Who would know more about the “Antichrist” than oner who is in his service? Honestly, with all the books that Beck farts out, I’m thinking that Satan must be his ghost writer.



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