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posted August 11, 2010 at 8:14 am

I never heard anything so sicking in my life. This made me miserable this morning.

*goes to look at cats jumping into bags on Youtube*

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John Dobbs

posted August 11, 2010 at 8:24 am

I cannot imagine the Islamic leaders NOT knowing how sensitive this is. To be ignorant to that reality is to be a moron. I think it is a poor choice on their part to seek it, but an intentional one. Which says a lot about them.

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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted August 11, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Intentional? The Muslim population has been there for years John. I think you’re making some pretty big assumptions…

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      posted August 11, 2010 at 8:56 am

      i think it’s intentional, too. maybe not with the nefarious motives being attributed to it, but there is no way they don’t understand why people would be upset about it. frankly, building a mosque anywhere else is fine by me, but this particular one is ill advised and seems to be making the wrong kind of statement. i think it’s stepping on the fledgling goodwill that has only just taken root.

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        posted August 11, 2010 at 9:22 am

        Seems as intentional as a McDonald’s to me.

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          posted August 11, 2010 at 12:56 pm

          McDonalds is incredibly intentional about where they put their stores, don’t you think? ūüėČ

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        posted August 11, 2010 at 5:51 pm

        So how far away would be far enough away for you?

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      posted August 11, 2010 at 8:45 pm

      I agree. Plus, as Stewart/Cenac points out – there’s already a mosque in the area. It’s not like it’d be a new thing for people to see a mosque in the area.

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posted August 11, 2010 at 8:57 am

Apparently the acts of some Muslims necessitates the discrimination of all Muslims. And Christians are okay with this because we, of course, have no experience with factions of our own religion perpetrating abuses on people…

The saddest thing in all of this is that we’re trying to cover up our discrimination by saying it’s sensitivity about one of our greatest national tragedies. The only thing desecrating the memory of 9/11 at this point in this situation is not that Muslims want to have the freedom to assemble a few blocks away, but that a substantial chunk of America wants to drag the 9/11 ground through the mud to prevent Muslims from exercising their rights.

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    posted August 11, 2010 at 9:04 am

    those that are protesting mosques in other parts of the country are intolerant and ignorant. there’s no excuse for that. those that oppose the one near ground zero, simply want the muslim community to give them some space. nobody there is stepping on their rights, they’re asking for sensitivity and not getting any. the fact that the muslim leaders in charge there are pushing so hard for that particular location is making many people rightly uncomfortable and upset.

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    posted August 11, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Well said @bitterbare

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posted August 11, 2010 at 11:12 am

Thank you @bitterbare.

So they want to build a mosque where the old Burlington Coat factory was? I’m with Jon on questioning the sacred ground of that sight. What will be appropriate to build on that land? Its NYC. Its in the middle of the Wall Street District–the heart of capitalism. They are not going to give the whole area to a memorial. Real Estate in NY is prime. It is not ok for the Muslims to build a worship center to their god. Will it be ok for America to build a church–a bank, an investment firm– to their god–Capitalism?

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Charlie's Church of Christ

posted August 11, 2010 at 1:29 pm

are we all following the same Jesus? The outrage over this is atrocious.

Linking Islam as a whole to the terrorists who did 9/11 is like linking Westboro Baptist Church with Christianity.

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posted August 11, 2010 at 2:15 pm

I can appreciate that the situation is a sensitive one. I get that 3,000 people died on 9/11 because of the actions of Islamic extremists. No one has forgotten. But what people have forgotten is that ten times that many men died so that we could have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights unlike anything the world had ever seen. The Revolutionary War is so far removed from our reality that it’s more like a fairy tale than fact to most of us.
A terrorist victory was not had on 9/11, nor will it be had in the building of a Mosque near the site. What will be a victory for them, however, will be us decimating the Bill of Rights out of fear.

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    posted August 11, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Well said.

    I’m not an American, I’m Kiwi (from New Zealand) through and through, and I understand the pain 9/11 inflicted upon America, but you have to understand that not EVERY Muslim is a militant extremist. In fact, those dedicated to Jihad are few and far between and 9 times out of 10 are raised outside of America.

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      posted August 11, 2010 at 4:08 pm

      there are roughly 1.2 billion muslims on earth today. fortunately, only 4% of them are considered to be “extreme”. it’s a good thing that we only need to worry about 48,000,000 of them. and, yes, go ahead and speak of all the travesties carried out in the name of Jesus every day. that’s the usual defense. and for the record, i’m speaking about present-day: and in the present day, there are millions of muslims who are intolerant of everyone else and would never consider assimilating into society, yet expect and demand accommodation from the native culture around them. there are constantly high-ranking ones calling for beheadings of cartoonists and others that dare “insult” islam. and rarely, if ever, do you see a “moderate” muslim openly speaking out against the extremists. here in america we are so worried about political correctness that we can’t even discipline a military-educated psychiatrist for outwardly defending muslim martyrs at a grand round medical meeting… the same one who later murdered americans at ft. hood while shouting… wait for it… “god is great!” in arabic.

      if, by chance, let’s say millions of extreme christians were doing anything remotely similar in the present day, there would be an outcry from the community at large on the record condemning this action. yes, you have the occasional looney anti-abortion killing, which is definitely wrong; but let’s be real: to compare this with islam (remember jet-airliners flying into buildings, beheadings on camera, etc.) is sheer stupididty.

      muslims are right. they are “oppressed”. however, they are not oppressed by anything more than their culture, their religion, and their god.

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        posted August 11, 2010 at 6:06 pm

        I’m not sure where you’re living, but I went to a high school that had a high Muslim population and live in an area now that also has a lot of Muslim people. There weren’t many, but I knew Muslim people in college. They are pretty much just like everybody else; some of them eat food out of my comfort zone but then I also eat bacon, which would be out of theirs. Some of them wear clothes that don’t fit contemporary Western society. Most of that is cultural, some of it religious-based. Just like how I go about my daily business.

        I don’t understand why it’s every single Muslim person’s “job” to go about explicitly denouncing and apologizing for the acts of extremists. I spend a lot of time doing that for Christians, it seems, without being asked or expected to, and I get really tired of it. After 9/11 there was one boy in my high school who suddenly had basketballs “mistakenly” hurled at the back of his head in gym class, who had his locker vandalized, who got called names. I didn’t particularly like him as a person anyway – we had some classes together and I always thought him a bit of a jerk – but he still didn’t deserve what he got, because it was based on an understanding of him and his faith that was completely and utterly false. It wasn’t even “normal” bullying, even though that’s also awful – it was deliberate hate.

        Minority groups, whether it’s race, religion, or other non-majority group, face discrimination in this country. It is woefully culturally ignorant for you to insist that their oppression is their own fault. “Islam” comes from the Arabic word for “peace”, which is also the word for “submission” – translation is hard because we English-speakers attach a negative connotation to the word – but what it means is utter devotion and giving up of the self to God and his plan for us. What a beautiful idea. Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same God. We come from the same religious family and many of our ideas about God are the same. Some are different, and those differences are important. But everything I have learned about Islam (and I have learned a fair bit) suggests that Islamic fundamentalism has as little to do with real Islam as Christian fundamentalism does with real Christianity – more concerned with power and prejudice than love and honor of God.

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          posted August 11, 2010 at 7:29 pm

          look… don’t lecture me about diversity among muslims and everyone else. i’m completely aware that the majority of muslims aren’t interested in jihad.

          but… step aside for a moment from the view of the world where apparently everyone drinks milk from the magical unicorn teet in the sky while anyone whose feelings get hurt by political incorrectness needs nothing more than a little rainbow dust sprinkled upon them to make it all better.

          here’s the world i see (and it all changed on one day): 4 massive airplanes hijacked in one day for one cause and purposefully used as weapons with absolutely no regard for civilian life.

          in the immediate aftermath of 09.11.01: videos of THOUSANDS of muslims when news of the massacre reached them celebrating and dancing in the streets and on tops of cars while chanting “god is great!” and “death to america!”.

          not long after 09.11.2001: dozens of muslims dragging the SKINNED, CHARRED remains of united states soldiers through the streets of a muslim city and then HANGING those remains from a bridge.

          now… you tell me in what “civilized” land (aside from one that is islamic) would this amount of people we WILLING, much less ALLOWED to carry-on with such a spectacle without a firm rebuke from a majority of the more-peaceful, more-respectful, more-honorable population of said country?

          or how about the french riots? you know they were muslims, right? how about them dousing an individual with gasoline and burning her alive?

          what about the genocide in darfur? you do realize those are muslims killing other muslims with different colored skin, right?

          yes… everyone and every culture is capable of doing bad things. BUT… comparing anything to the violence exhibited by muslims all over the world to this very day is complete ignorance.

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          posted August 11, 2010 at 10:05 pm

          What are you babbling about? You inject this sob story just to get people to kiss the collective ass of another group of people. Christian extremism can’t even hold a candle to muslim extremism. This is not even including the more “moderate” muslims who are willing to saw their wives heads off for even the slightest “infraction” ( I am terribly angered about what happened on 9/11, but what keeps my anger raging is what these monsters do to their own people on a daily basis! And yes, many of these monsters label themselves moderate. Also, to everyone on this board, don’t act like its a big suprise people are angered about this mosque being built. Try to look at it from their perspective, and you will see what a huge slap in the face it is. Lets say an abortion clinic was bombed, and a more “moderate” or “liberal” church wanted to build a new building where the clinic used to be or at least in the vicinity. Sure they would wax poetic about how it would be a sign of healing and forgiveness. In the end, though, it would still be a slap in the face whether it was intended as one or not. I wouldn’t want that church to be built where an abortion clinic was bombed, and I don’t want a mosque being built where the twin towers where bombed. If those who want to build the mosque want peace and reconciliation, then they need to realize that this will not bring it about.

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posted August 11, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Since we are on the topic of 9/11 etc here. Does anyone happen to know how many Muslims were killed in the Trade Center(s) that day?

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Carole Turner

posted August 11, 2010 at 3:51 pm

These clips are great! Newt Gingrich is a great example of why I’m no longer a Republican…Charlie Rangle’s 30 minute speech (rant) yesterday before the senate is an example of why I am not a Democrat either.

If Christians weren’t sitting in front of Fox news getting brian washed, and if they weren’t more about buying Bentleys, and getting rich, but in stead were feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the imprisoned, helping Orphans and widows, they wouldn’t have time to worry about this kind of nonsense. They wouldn’t be worried about any Mosque, they would be changing the world for Jesus instead of fearing another religion. We so easily forget love and grab onto fear. Visit a muslim neighbor, befriend them, help them do yard work, show them the love of Jesus and let go of this evil fear. Yuck.

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    posted August 11, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Carole for President!

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    posted August 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I like what you say here, but just want to add that Muslims know who Jesus is and he has a strong presence in their tradition. They don’t revere him as the son of God (the main divider between them and Christianity, obviously) but his teachings are incredibly important to them.

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Charlie's Church of Christ

posted August 12, 2010 at 12:08 am

I think I’m gonna go hang out with Anne Rice… this is terrible.

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