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WTF?! Christian talk show host PRAISES countries who execute/punish gays & lesbians! Unreal.

Wow. THIS right here is bullshit. (Sorry. No asterisks today.) Who the hell are these Minnesota talk show hosts anyway? I can’t believe they have an audience. I am sickened by their slander, hatred and disregard for humanity. This is the kind of hate that needs to stop people. I probably should stop writing. I’m too pissed off at the moment to be rational or say anything worth reading….

Can you believe this? Your thoughts?

Found at Joe. My. God.



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Travis Mamone

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm


Why does this guy still dress like it’s 1985?



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leanna jackson

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:16 pm


yeah, heartbreaking indeed. bad PR for jesus, and they’re missing out on a more intimate love with jesus, harboring all that hate. lose/lose/lose.



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Joseph

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm


wow…just wow. I want to get mad but I am more stunned than anything although I do not know why any thing like this surprises me anymore.



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Ginger

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:23 pm


THIS coming from a dude who looks like a girl. You know what they say about those who protest teh gheys too much…

Just sayin’…



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Jenn

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:24 pm


Because I know I do not have the grace filled words to offer in reply I will say that I believe this:

“Law enforced by the sword control behavior but cannot change hearts, no matter how sharp the sword is. The redemption of the cross does what laws and bullets and bombs can never do – bring transformation of evildoers and enemies.” Greg Boyd (via Jesus for President).

That goes for both us who stand against this bigoted, hate warped view of the Gospel and this man/his followers. While we pray for him (and them), the hope is he will come to realize that his hate will never accomplish anything but the consumption of his own soul with everything but Jesus.



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Crystal Renaud

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm


these freaking crazy extremists “Christians” really piss me off. this is truly one of the saddest things i’ve ever heard. ever. you’re so right: this IS bullshit.

we are to hate sin. and LOVE the sinner. those without sin cast the first stone. yet the judgment that encircles the gay community (in my opinion) is stronger now than it has ever been… from conservative Christians … and it is wrong. it is SO freaking wrong that i can’t even type a coherent sentence right now.

i work with women all the time who were raped, sexually abuse, molested, the whole spectrum… not by the hands of gay men… but by the hands of straight men and even by straight women. it is NOT just those who believe themselves to be gay that are abusers.

people abuse people. regardless of orientation.

and that’s as far as i got in listening to this crap.

Lord help them.



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    Crystal Renaud

    posted June 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm


    Okay, against my better judgment, I kept listening.

    Are they really saying that the African government upholds morality because they put homosexuals in prison? I’m sorry…. go to South Africa and you tell me if what is happening there is upholding morality.

    *People who are HIV+ are having sex with virgins (kids) because it said to be a cure.
    *900 pregnant teenage girls in a primary school in Selini, South Africa.
    *Police and governmental leaders are so corrupt that they won’t arrest men who have been accused of rape. And in turn rape the girls who have these claims.
    *Whole generations of South Africans (ages 20-40) are dying of AIDS and their kids are left behind.
    *Apartheid fell but left behind generations of South Africans with no hope of climbing out of their poverty.

    But gays are locked up! Really sounds like the best possible place to live. Truly.

    Ugh. I am sick.



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dustin

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:39 pm


man, Bret Michaels is full of shit.



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ttm

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm


There is a great conversation happening over at http://www.nakedpastor.com in the comment section of his June 8, 2010 cartoon entitled “came out” Check it out… you will find haters, lovers, seekers, leavers and everything in between.



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Joe Crenshaw

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:51 pm


1. This is not Christianity these guys are talking about, they are talking about hatred and wickedness pure and simple.

2.I am one who adheres to the conservative doctrine that homosexuality is a sin, I know some Christians don’t believe that, but I do and these guys and these nations that are physically and criminally punishing homosexuals for their sins are in sin themselves, even greater sin. They need to check out Matthew chapter 7 and Matthew chapter 23.

3. The callers who are praising this are just as lost as the host. Remember flies and crap, flies flock to crap.

4. I have done things that are worthy of death in the eyes of GOD from pornography obsession (including “girl on girl” acts), and racial prejudice. HOWEVER, GOD is a merciful and forgiving GOD to those seeking repentance. These folks who are praising violence against homosexuals need real repentance.



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Torres

posted June 12, 2010 at 7:59 pm


Not sure I can even call these men followers of Christ since they don’t even mention the name of Jesus ONE TIME!! How do you have a “Christian Radio Show” and not mention the Savior of all creation?? HELLOOO!?!?! This is ridiculous and it makes me want to break things. These are nothing more than a couple of guys who got lucky getting a radio show and give eachother wierd petnames like “Schmegal” and disgrace the name of Jesus and of the body of Christ with their stupid rants of hatred and Old Testament Pharisee-ness. I just made up a word so I’m done!



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    Dianna

    posted June 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm


    “Smeagol.” It’s an absurd (and stupid) reference to Lord of the Rings, though Lord knows why because his Smeagol (Gollum) impression isn’t even that good. Tolkien would be offended.



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shellie (baylormum)

posted June 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm


I, too, am stunned. I’ll bet it would piss these guys off if I told them I love them as much as a gay or lesbian. But, only cuz Jesus said I had to…..



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    Jeff Holton

    posted June 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm


    You’re a stronger person than I am if you can “love them as much as a gay or lesbian.”

    Let me know your secret.



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Stephen Feltmate

posted June 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm


Nothing to worry about here: they are fighting a battle that they are losing badly and in another generation this sentiment will be so insignificant it won’t even qualify as “fringe”.

As for Iran’s purity: consider that the gay people they are executing are often under 18 years of age. Yes, folks, let’s embrace the holiness of God: let’s start killing kids. Idiot dumbass who obviously hasn’t taken the time to become familiar with his own position.



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Matt

posted June 12, 2010 at 8:59 pm


Wow. I was going to write a long diatribe to break down most of their arguments but then I realized I was just feeding the fire. So I will “cut the tree at it’s roots” and not give them the courtesy of responding. As someone who stares homosexuality in the mirror every day and fights it with every fiber of his being, it infuriates me how bigoted these guys are (and sinfully selective about sin).

I’m gonna go punch a wall or something…



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    steveT

    posted June 12, 2010 at 10:21 pm


    save your fist, matt…….but trust me, i know how your gut wrenches. mine certainly does. ~sT



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Dianna

posted June 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm


I was particularly struck by the implications behind their rejection of someone from Amnesty International – “She works for Amnesty International, so we know she’s an internationalist.” That intrigued me. Evidently, because this is ‘Murrica, seeing the world beyond our borders is, well, wrong. I’ve heard the anti-gay stuff before and at this point I just shake my head and walk away, but the “internationalist” thing intrigues me. This conflation of God and Country bodes ill for us as a Church, and I don’t mean combination of Church and State. I mean seeing the government, particularly the government of any certain country, in this case America, as somehow more blessed, more Christian, and therefore better and somehow more holy than any other nation. THAT scares me. The rampant nationalism in the evangelical church is cause for worry.



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    Joe Crenshaw

    posted June 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm


    Nothing wrong with nationalism.



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      JuliaKate

      posted June 13, 2010 at 8:14 pm


      “Nothing wrong with nationalism.”

      that’s definitely debatable.



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      Dianna

      posted June 14, 2010 at 9:13 am


      Could have sworn I replied to this earlier. :/

      Regardless, I wrote a blog entry about this very topic after listening to this: http://dianndia.blogspot.com/2010/06/mom-dad-i-have-something-to-tell-you.html

      The basic idea is that when nationalism becomes blind faith in an absurdly ideal country – such as America of unlimited freedom, liberty, and God’s Country to these folk, as implied by their dismissive “internationalist” comment – it has taken the place of God in the minds and hearts of Christians. I think that’s what bothers me most about seeing so many conservative Christians protesting and complaining about the America that was and the America we are becoming. They seem to care more for country and nation than what God has instructed them to do, which is to bring the Gospel and Christ’s love to ALL nations, which includes humbling yourself to realize that your nation may have some problems. In order to travel and reach other peoples, in order to be an “internationalist,” you have to set aside some of your own ideals about your own country, you have to see yourself through their eyes. If you don’t, you become the Ugly American and reach no one. In order to just get through a day in India, I had to set aside the idea that America is the world’s greatest nation and realize that a lot of the poverty I was seeing, a lot of the slavery, a lot of the pain was a direct result of a nationalistic mentality that wouldn’t let me see beyond my own country’s borders. Much forced labor nowadays is for companies from America – Nike, Apple, Nestle, Kraft – good ‘Murrican brands…causing pain and suffering outside our borders. BUT, if America is perfect, if we are so nationalistic that we are God’s nation, the Constitution is “divinely inspired,” (to quote Glenn Beck) and capitalism is God’s system, then we openly legitimize suffering in the rest of the world. We blind ourselves to suffering elsewhere by being so preoccupied with our own selfish freedom here. We assert our power and dominance over other nations because “we are the best, and don’t we deserve the best?” (to paraphrase Gaston from Beauty and Beast).

      Nationalism is a dangerous force, especially in politics. To wit, Nationalism is a development of the post-Medieval Renaissance period, and therefore is a relatively new concept. Those calls we hear in Gladiator movies about being “Romans” first? Bull. The idea that nation – nation, not Caesar – united a people did not develop in its current form until much later than we would normally think. And nationalism itself can become Statism, and the State replaces God. We become American first and Christian second.

      I, for one, am a Christian, a citizen of the world, an internationalist. The fact that I happen to be an American is secondary to all else; I happened to be born in America. This is nothing I did, and nothing I particularly feel the need to take pride in.

      In short, yes, there’s a lot wrong with nationalism.



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Michael

posted June 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm


I have a 12 passenger van…road trip to Minnesota anyone?! we’ll call it the “righteous indignation tour”…craziness.



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nathan colquhoun

posted June 13, 2010 at 12:12 am


Hahaha….these guys are idiots. Not even worth listening to the end of their clip. I’ve had to learn over time to laugh this off instead of get angry. I laugh because it is just too funny how far someone can be from what is good and Godly, and think they are good. I laugh because I’m tired of being angry, laughing is easier on me.

It’s just non-stop propaganda and indoctrination by people who are just as lost as the people they are condemning.



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Leanne

posted June 13, 2010 at 5:56 am


Somewhere along the line Christianity stopped being about experiencing God and God’s grace to people like this and became about a list of do’s and don’ts. Somewhere along the line, God’s mercy lost to judgment in these people’s lives. Somewhere along the line, these people decided they needed to do the work of the Holy Spirit and convict people of sin. Somewhere along the line, they decided they were judge, jury and executioner. Somewhere along the line, I hope they experience God’s grace and love in such an overwhelming way. It breaks my heart how so many “Christians” have not experienced God’s grace.



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    mpt

    posted June 13, 2010 at 6:41 am


    Thanks Leanne. Great perspective for all of us to remember..



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    steveT

    posted June 13, 2010 at 8:55 am


    leanne~
    would you mind if i use your words for a song? “somewhere along the line”. they sound like something Jesus might have said to the pharisees a few thousand years ago and ring just as true today. thanks. ~sT



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      Leanne

      posted June 13, 2010 at 4:08 pm


      steveT–feel free to use whatever you would like. Blessings.



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        steveT

        posted June 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm


        leanne~
        cool…you’ll hear back from me….somewhere along the line ;-) ~sT



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Joe Perdue

posted June 13, 2010 at 7:23 am


“Christians” who call for the death of anyone really bother me. I’m torn between being sad and being pissed. How anyone can support death and follow the God who offers new life is beyond me. All I can say is to pray for them, they may be the enemies of the church, but Christ said to love our enemies. I’m glad you post things like this, if enough of us mock and call out people like this more unbelievers will realize real Christ-followers do not support them.

“”The regenerated do not go to war, nor engage in strife. They are children of peace who have beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning forks, and know no war…Christ is our fortress; patience our weapon of defense; the Word of God our sword.Iron and metal spears and swords we leave to those who, alas, regard human blood and swine’s blood of well-nigh equal value.” -Menno Simmons.



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Alise

posted June 13, 2010 at 11:46 am


Bradlee honey, trust me. You have NO “gay friends.” I promise you that. You might know gay people, but if you genuinely believe that garbage that you’re saying here, they are NOT your friend.

Can’t bring myself to laugh about this. It’s absolutely appalling.



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Amanda

posted June 13, 2010 at 1:42 pm


I think I might throw up. There are no words for how abhorrent this is.



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amycourts

posted June 13, 2010 at 2:26 pm


i vomited in my mouth. but no worries: when i move to minnesota, i’ll find these guys and take em downtown. to meet some gays. who will beat them up.



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amycourts

posted June 13, 2010 at 2:34 pm


ps: @Crystal. Thanks for the facts. Lest it go un-noted, that stuff is happening all over Africa, but namely in Uganda, one of the countries most notably creating legislation to either execute/criminalize homosexuals. The laws came on the heels of a pretty major push on the part of some U.S. senators (i.e. Sam Brownback, among others) for sex education across the country over the past decade or so. First, there was a push for condom use, but that was soon condemned in favor of abstinence-only education (which doesn’t work anywhere anyway, but especially not in countries where sex is viewed more as a weapon, procreation, OR medical treatment than for pleasure).

Suffice to say, when news came through that Ugandan lawmakers had passed THIS legislation, it took a good long while before those Senators who’d been so deeply involved in Ugandan sex legislation so far finally stepped in and said, “Wait, wait. This isn’t good.” In the end, we created something of a monster. Applause much?



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Sara Beth Stout

posted June 13, 2010 at 5:02 pm


I listened to another one of their videos where they seemed to be comparing the Holocaust with the issue of Homosexuals wanting to get married. Pretty sure that is just ignorance. These guys are ridiculous! I am for the record against homosexual marriage, but I am all for rights for the LGBT. It is painful for me to listen to this crap! People should be loved and not persecuted regardless of sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, or even hair color!



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JuliaKate

posted June 13, 2010 at 8:34 pm


these people live in fear. when you have no clear concept of grace, you end up in fear of approval from God, from those “like” you and those that surround you. i’ll be honest, i didn’t listen to all of the videos. i don’t know that i need to. within the first 30 seconds, i already heard enough twisted doctrine and incomprehensible babble to sense the fear and the tiresome life these people must lead by trying their hardest to be “good”… all the while breaking God’s heart and stirring His Spirit to action against their plights… and pissing off the peeps that understand their task is to win souls and not condemn them. as difficult as it is for me to type it… there is grace enough for these @#&*%(#& too.



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old mom

posted June 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm


We scapegoat the scapegoaters . For as long as people have gathered in community – some have been destroyed or excluded. It was just the way of things in pretty much all cultures. I think it was Phyllis Tickle who mentioned that when the church finally recognized the humanity of gay and lesbian men and women – there will be no one left. The church will have to start looking at itself instead of some other on whom all the sins of the people are piled as they are driven away. Now the folks who are the cutting edge of this thing – the dude with the 80’s hair who thinks gays and lesbians are cultural terrorists – well – how to bring them back into the fold. don’t like em. think such people who wish violence for others to be dangerous, weird and – well – not quite as human as I am. To actually end this thing – everyone must be treated with respect instead of derision. Too damned hard sometimes. It also requires a bit of repentance from just about everyonel Try reading Rene Girard- great thinker who tells us that with the cross such games of dehumanizing another began to come to an end. They didn’t work well anymore. And so we begin to see people come along like Gandhi or Mandela orEboo Patel (really interesting and important young American Muslim man).
If one of my children was gay and somebody came after them in the name of God – well – I’d probably turn into some sort of whirling dirvish (a Sufi reference) and scare the hell out of the one who would exclude my child from full human status.. I do have a nephew who is gay and left Texas to avoid the rather constant evangelical voice that he is dirty and wrong. He’s happy now thank God.



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Sam

posted June 14, 2010 at 12:07 am


These guys are pandering for pay to an audience who wants this stuff or they would be off the air. Hopefully the time will come when they will see the harm they have done, kind of like John Newton finally came to his senses and saw the harm he had wreaked on humanity as a slave trader.

Their lack of understanding of Scripture is profound, as is their lack of understanding Jesus’ message. What religion or cult of hate do they claim to be a part of? May Jesus have mercy on their souls.



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d-riz

posted June 14, 2010 at 6:20 am


Dispicable indeed that any would advocate for hate of gays – or of any person or group of people.

Sad…

Though, wouldn’t now be surprised to see another blog post somewhere saying “WTF? Christian blogger uses filthy gutter mouth to prove his point”.

From one recovering gutter mouth to (apparently?) another – dude, I can’t continue to follow you if you’re gonna throw this stuff out. I don’t need stumbles like this.

Control your tongue… please…



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    JuliaKate

    posted June 14, 2010 at 5:08 pm


    this seems like an odd use of the “stumble” reference to me. but in other news, it is not completely agreed upon what constitutes a “filthy gutter mouth”. please explain… perhaps with a list of filthy gutter mouth words.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted June 14, 2010 at 5:12 pm


    D-Riz… don’t follow me. If WTF offends you or causes you to stumble, then I will surely do, say, blog something else that will cause you to stumble. Thanks for your comment.



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      steveT

      posted June 14, 2010 at 5:30 pm


      oh, Lord….thank God He relentlessly works to save us from ourselves. we go from a discussion of “broadcast and rocker-idol christians” supporting governments with legislation to imprison and kill homosexuals to one about using acronyms asking “Why This Friends?!” no wonder He had to come down to this earth, show us how to do it right, be humiliated and be brutally crucified. why is it so damned difficult (and yes, I MEAN to use that word) to follow Someone with that kind of humility, compassion and grace?!

      (and I know why it’s true for me…..i’d rather let other things become more important.) i just walked through the holocaust museum here while visiting in D.C……we are people who desperately need a Jesus who can live in us and set us free from ourselves. i often wonder if it is actually even possible for Him to accomplish. ~sT



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      d-riz

      posted July 22, 2010 at 7:03 am


      Just catching up on recent posts, and wanted to come back to this…

      It was “wtf”, in addition to “bullshit”, the combination of acronym & word in context, combined with memory of a recent conversation with my dear wife— “Honey, you know, it’d be cool if our kids didn’t have hypocrite parents who say “that’s f***ed up” or “f*** off” in response to people or things around us, and then give correction to them for saying something similar”— where I was in a frame of mind to post the original comment.

      My bad for transferring my own lack of self control to your post. No hate from me… still reading and enjoying your s*** – oops :)

      Dan



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    Joe Perdue

    posted June 15, 2010 at 7:30 am


    Do you know of any Bible verse that proves Matthew did anything wrong by writing three letters next to each other?



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KatR

posted June 14, 2010 at 8:30 am


It was truly sad to watch the reaction to this post on Twitter. It went something like “wow, that’s too bad about the gays, BUT HOW COULD YOU SWEAR, MATTHEW? OH, THE HUMANITY!! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??”



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Bill

posted June 21, 2010 at 10:27 pm


The bizarros are crawling out from under their rocks. This “guy” looks like something from a Conan The Barbarian movie. An embarrassment to anyone who calls him/her self a Christian. That they have any credibility among anyone is incomprehensible to me.



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