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‘If I were a woman’ a sermon title

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Jenni

posted June 16, 2010 at 8:17 pm


if he were a woman, he wouldn’t have said ANY of that.

… and it wouldn’t hurt him when i kicked him in the junk for all that.



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    Eric

    posted June 17, 2010 at 11:08 am


    I listened to this and didn’t really have a violent response. I need to play it for my wife and see what she thinks. :) For the time period, it seems to be to be sensible advice, and I think it’s fair to say that there were probably many more “junk-kickable” things being said in churches back then.

    My wife handles all of our finances strictly because I suck at it, and she’s awesome.



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    dcjfree

    posted June 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm


    I agree, though I did stop listening at about the 2 minute mark.



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John Dobbs

posted June 16, 2010 at 8:20 pm


I’m not above anyone making fun of me…or having a laugh at an outdated image. So, I’m not offended. But I do have some thoughts. He makes a good point…man or woman… a point that many who are strangling in debt need to learn. It may not show in the image above, but Ira North was one positive, encouraging, socially mindful preacher. He preached for the Madison Church of Christ in Nashville. He always wore a bright red suit coat and had a big smile with a gap between his teeth. He was bigger than life, but he loved people. Among churches of Christ he had a great influence in what some called (poorly) the “social gospel” … but he was committed to loving and serving the poor of his community. His Amazing Grace Bible Class was shown on television around the country. During his years at Madison it became the largest Church of Christ in America. Ira North was a beloved preacher who lived his life in service to people who couldn’t help themselves. It’s fine to have a laugh as we are doing … but I wanted to tell you a little about the man. You can read what his wife wrote about him when he died after 43 years of marriage here:
http://www.therestorationmovement.com/north,ira.htm
jd



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted June 16, 2010 at 8:36 pm


    John, I didn’t post this to make fun of him. I did think it was a humorous sermon title, but mostly I loved that it showed the social/generational differences between now and when this sermon was preached.



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      John Dobbs

      posted June 16, 2010 at 8:43 pm


      Thanks. I would hate to go back 20 years and look at some of the sermons I preached…ack!



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James

posted June 16, 2010 at 9:20 pm


Jenni… I’ve actually heard a woman speaker (I can’t remember who exactly, but I feel like it was… I hate to do this… maybe… Judy Jacobs… or perhaps Paula White… I’m really not sure) say something very similar to this. Paraphrasing, “Women, you have to learn to live within your means and not worry so much about keeping up with your neighbors, etc…”
Of course, at the time this sermon was given, men were the primary breadwinner and women stayed at home and managed the house (and, consequently, all – or at least most – of the money coming in to the home). This is reflective of Proverbs 31, by the way… just sayin’.



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Candace

posted June 16, 2010 at 10:12 pm


I thought it was a ridiculous title, but like John said, the content itself is quite applicable to both sexes. It would be interesting to hear what his other 6 points were though…



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sleep_run_art

posted June 16, 2010 at 11:17 pm


I loved the title and picture, so retro-cool. As for the message its self, applicable to both sexes, especially in today’s society, I think here in NZ the statistics company says the average New Zealander spends $2 for every $1 they earn. CRAZY! But somewhat understandable with the price of food alone. It is cheaper for a (lower social-economic and even middle class) family to have a dinner of fish and chips (deep fried fish and potatoes) then to have a healthy meal of beef and fresh veges, and we in NZ have farms a plenty!

I think re: the message – yes a woman should learn to run her house within her families means, but the man should also not be stingy. Communication, as always, is the key. And goals.



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Mana1024

posted June 20, 2010 at 8:07 am


I guess I don’t see where this is offensive – maybe not the best title and yes, a bit dated in how it is said. But financial stewardship is something we are called to – and if you listened he said instead of being turned off in the first 10 second, you would hear that his wife handled the money. So in the 50’s he made it and she managed it, that might seem a bit revolutionary for the time. I think we need to talk more about financial accountability, isn’t the biggest problem in marriages money? So if did more to live within our means, learned to live without the latest and best, as women, realized what a job and provision means to a man, maybe we could focus on other things. I think it is a wise word, thanks for sharing.



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brgulker

posted June 22, 2010 at 10:21 am


Obviously, there’s the cultural sexism that was prevalent when this sermon was preached, and thank god we’ve come a long way since then.

But in terms of living within one’s income? If we simply took all of the gender-specific language out of this sermon, it would actually be a very timely message for the American public — from individuals to government.



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