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Christian club Rocketown plays host to night of ‘satanic’ rock

posted by Joanne Brokaw

Blackdaliamurder.pngIt opened in downtown Nashville as a nightclub for teens, and now Club Rocketown is hosting a show with satanic mainstream bands on the bill.

Rocketown was founded in 1994 by Michael W. Smith in Franklin, TN and in 2002, found a new home in downtown Nashville. The venue is part nightclub, part coffeehouse, and part activities center, complete with an indoor skate park. Christian bands play music, teens can dance under the disco ball, and there are even weekly Bible studies in the coffeehouse, rounding out the club’s mission: to share “Christ’s love with youth through creative programs and mentoring relationships that are culturally relevant and eternally significant.”

But some fans of the club are questioning why Rocketown is hosting a night of hardcore satanic metal on October 27th, with a line up that includes The Black Dahlia Murder, Toxic Holocaust, Skeltonwitch, and Trap Them.

Understand that this isn’t a commentary on the style of music; drums, guitars and amps can’t be Christian or non-Christian. And if you like music with the message those bands are sharing, go for it.

But the bands that are playing do subscribe to a worldview that I think even they might agree conflict with Rocketown’s mission, which is to share Christ.

For example, one of the bands, Toxic Holocaust, says in their bio that they have a “deadly fixation on the evil in man and a post-apocalyptic world” and their songs are “unforgettable anthems that could be the soundtrack to civil unrest in a post-apocalyptic world gone mad.” That might explain their song “Nuke The Cross.”
And check out the lyrics to the song “Black Valor,” from another band on the bill,

The Black Dahlia Murder:

“Join us! Black valor’s on our side / Striking with satanic force we’ll crust their fabled Christ … We march upon the enemy with hate, with hate / On this day of victory christian blood will soak these battlefields”

It seems to be quite a contradiction in mission for Rocketown, to be asking kids to come to hear about Christ, and then giving them a line up of bands who hate Christians. Especially when the Rocketown website is full of references to ministry and Christ. It can send a mixed message that the club endorses the acts that perform there.
Keith Mohr, founder of Indieheaven.com, a resource for indie musicians that help them grow both creatively and spiritually, agrees.

“I was shocked and appalled to see Rocketown booking hard core satanic bands for shows,” Mohr told me via email. “I thought their mission was to be a positive influence for youth? Opening their doors to groups who are blatantly against Christ and His church in my opinion, condones their message. Yes, we are to be in the world, but bringing in wolves to feed sheep to isn’t exactly what that scripture meant.”

His message to the club? “Take a stand Rocketown, there are plenty of hard core bands of Christians with songs you can’t understand what they are screaming about out there, but at least they are believers in Christ!”

When I called Rocketown for comment, the executive director wasn’t in; I spoke with an employee who doesn’t work in the entertainment part of the club, but was able to give me some general information about the club. She told me, for example, that Rocketown predominantly books non-Christian bands, and that the club has a huge hard core following.
She also said that the club cautions parents to make sure they research the bands their kids are coming to see since not everyone on the bill is a Christian act.

The Rocketown website doesn’t offer any disclaimers about non-Christian bands performing at the club, though. It does warn about not drinking, not fighting, not crowd surfing and dancing at your own risk. But if you didn’t know that the bands listed weren’t Christian, you’d probably assume, given all fo the Christian references on the site, that the bands are Christian, too.

Mohr is just one of many who think that Rocketown needs to disclose the fact more publicly that the club books not just non-Christian bands, but bands with messages completely contrary to Christianity.

Especially when Rocketown is asking for donations from Christians to support the ministry.

The club is holding the Rally for Rocketown fundraiser on October 20, 2009, for example, with Super Bowl-winning coach Tony Dungy as the keynote speaker, and appearances by Titans’ coach Jeff Fisher, Vince Gill and Martina McBride. This isn’t some rinky-dinky Sunday morning walk for charity. The highest sponsorship spot went for $25,000; individual tickets range from $50 to $250.

Sure, some Christian clubs lease out their facilities to non-Christian events. Club 3 Degrees in Minneapolis rents the facility for private parties and weddings; but their booking site explains, “We are a Christian venue that is dedicated to spreading the gospel of Jesus. We are blessed to provide bands the opportunity to reach people through music and share their testimonies from stage.”

Rocketown hosting these kinds of mainstream bands while asking for donations to support their ministry would be like Focus on the Family leasing out their auditorium for an Amy Winehouse concert. Can you imagine the uproar from Focus supporters?

But what do you think? Can a Christian ministry play host to bands with a message contrary to the gospel?

I’ll keep you updated on the story. I have a call in to the club’s executive director to get some more information about the club’s booking policies; I hadn’t heard back by press time. And I’ve also contacted one of the bands on the bill to see how they feel about playing at a club with a mission to share Christ.

UPDATE 10/14/09: Here are some thoughts from the other side of the issue and a glimpse inside a night at Rocketown

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KJ

posted October 12, 2009 at 2:26 pm


While I agree that Rocketown’s anthem might be ‘Christian’, they are however possibly struggling like the rest of the world financially; so, to keep their doors open they possibly have had to cross-the-line; unfortunately, this also could be a faith/test from God. How sad that Rocketown is stooping so low to keep it’s doors open. “When you lay with the dogs, you will rise with the fleas.”



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Banner Kidd

posted October 12, 2009 at 3:00 pm


When you try to reach people by acting like the world, the flesh, and the devil, pretty soon you will be in league with the world, the flesh and the devil, and you will be making disciples for the world, the flesh, and the devil.



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Jeff

posted October 12, 2009 at 3:02 pm


I was going to mention the financial side of it as well… but the story also mentioned that they book predominately non-Christian acts. I wonder if they are cheaper than the same-level Christian artists to book?
It may be a good way to reach non-Christians, instead of just hoping they come see the “Christian” bands.



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Jam

posted October 12, 2009 at 3:45 pm


Check out the Nuke the Cross video… it’s rad!



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shmeaguuuhl

posted October 12, 2009 at 4:23 pm


So because a band explores anti-Christian lyrical themes, they must hate Christians?
Nice blanket discrimination against metal bands. Heck, I’m pretty sure Joel Grind of Toxic Holocaust headbangs to Christian bands like Believer and Temple of Blood, just like he would Megadeth or Dark Angel. For Christ’s sake, it’s not like this place booked Burzum or Deicide, tools!



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*I'd Rather Not Say*

posted October 12, 2009 at 4:35 pm


I am very familiar with Rocketown and felt it appropriate to address this blog.
Part of the mission of Rocketown is to reach out to non-Christian kids, to get them in the doors and build relationships with them. The reality is, non-Christian kids will never show up for a show by Chris Tomlin or Casting Crowns and it is naive to think that they will. And so, from the onset, both Christian and non-Christian bands would play; however, the caveat at that start of the facility was that even the non-Christian bands would have a positive message and would certainly not take away from what was happening in the mentoring relationships by saying things from stage that were counter to the mission of the ministry. It is, in essence, to have groups that they would come to see and hope that, in the process, the staff would have the opportunity to get to know these kids, build relationships with them and hopefully, in time, get to point them to Christ. I’m not familiar with the bands listed so I can’t speak definitively about them; however, from the items cited about them in this article, it does seem like the gray area has gotten a lot broader and there are things being allowed that would not have stood in earlier days.
To clarify a few things:
Renting the building to non-Christian groups and booking non-Christian bands are immensely different situations. When you rent out a facility, the event is private and so no kids would be present. When you book a band, you are doing so with the full knowledge that kids will be present which, in my mind, requires a higher level of accountability.
Also, just to address the point that maybe these bands were cheaper, this is certainly not the case as you can find bands: Christian or otherwise across the financial gammet. So to say this is a response to the financial situation is not accurate because these bands aren’t paying the venue, the venue is paying them. I’m sure there are pressures of ticket sales and maybe it seems that this show will sell better than most. Unfortunately, my knowledge of Rocketown is that the Christian shows rarely sold well as the Christian community would be apt to critize when non-Christian bands were playing but not willing to buy tickets when they were. I’m not saying that makes booking these bands right but just noting that if there is any level of financial pressure, that could have factored in.
So what is the Christian response to all of this? I would challenge you to take up this situation in prayer, asking God’s wisdom to guide the decisions of the Rocketown staff and board. I know that in this situation, as with so many, it is much easier to cast stones then to love the broken and hurting and try to walk with them through their trials. I think that those that run Rocketown do have good hearts and a desire to reach kids but that their vision may have become clouded along the way. Obviously, God can bring clarity to this situation and I think we can all pray towards that end.



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Satan

posted October 12, 2009 at 4:53 pm


Hey,dont associate my name with these horrible bands, even i wouldnt touch them. now hall and oates,thats a way to trick in people



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:00 pm


“So because a band explores anti-Christian lyrical themes, they must hate Christians?”
umm, this isnt the case here.. the lyrics of these bands want Christians dead.
Definitely praying for them, I hear the city of Nashville is going to tear down the building down to make room for the new convention center.
The issue I have is that regardless of who books the room, the shows are drawing kids who may not know the difference between screamo Christian bands and satanic bands. Its hard to tell the difference in their marketing and posters.
I do find it interesting that if you have an opinion that an activity is wrong, you are called close minded, judgemental, yadda yadda..
These bands are blatantly satanic and their lyrics make no bones about what they believe and are doing.
Wake up you lukewarm people.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:00 pm


“So because a band explores anti-Christian lyrical themes, they must hate Christians?”
umm, this isnt the case here.. the lyrics of these bands want Christians dead.
Definitely praying for them, I hear the city of Nashville is going to tear down the building down to make room for the new convention center.
The issue I have is that regardless of who books the room, the shows are drawing kids who may not know the difference between screamo Christian bands and satanic bands. Its hard to tell the difference in their marketing and posters.
I do find it interesting that if you have an opinion that an activity is wrong, you are called close minded, judgemental, yadda yadda..
These bands are blatantly satanic and their lyrics make no bones about what they believe and are doing.
Wake up you lukewarm people.



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Satan

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:08 pm


oh god,like Christianity is sparkling clean. i guess the holy crusades,the Spanish inquisition or the Jewish podiums of Europe never happened,right? god forbid someone write a song about periods of history where battles between warring factions that shared different beliefs but what would i know right.
i actually know some of these bands and they arent satanic, but you would say that because they dont believe in christ and/or any gods.



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GIDEON SHRIER

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:19 pm


I love Toxic Holocaust, and I’m Christian…
And Satan, I know who you are. GTFO because you think you know more than you really do.
But then again, same goes for the people who wrote this blog post…



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DeathMetal

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:25 pm


The ignorance and absurdity of this article is laughable. Being a Christian myself and enjoying bands like Toxic Holocaust and Skeletonwitch…I find this reaction to be overblown. These bands are not satanists they just hold a different view on things we do. As Christians aren’t we supposed to love everyone? BTW, I am no fan of the Black Dahlia Murder….they are terrible as musicians. Making blanket statements about people instead of actually getting to know them and assuming they are satanists is pathetic. I wonder how strong your faith is if you let something like this cause you issues.



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Judas

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Jeff

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:30 pm


“I’d rather not say”
Good points. The people they are trying to reach are not coming to a show by Tomlin/Casting Crowns. Also, I wasn’t trying to claim that the bands or more/less expensive, just wondering if that had something to do with it.



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:38 pm


AHAHA, I’m going to this show. I hope the crazies show up to protest it, that will make it so much more awesome.



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Satan

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:40 pm


Travis Simmons
OMG,my name is on the internet. whatever
i only speak the truth. read up on your history. there are events and periods of time where Christians spilled the blood of others,whether they felt they were rightly justified by god or not. i was a christian for 18 years,have read the bible several times and read up on the history of the religion. maybe i dont know everything but i know something.



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duder

posted October 12, 2009 at 5:52 pm


this is a uncool move. how many bills do they have of all christian bands playing? let me answer for you. a lot. God forbid that they invite and have kids in there that are down and out, or at least feel that way and someone might show them love and change their life. But don’t think about it that way. think about in the way you have been. close minded.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 12, 2009 at 6:01 pm


Guys, I totally get what you’re saying, but my question was really to Christian music fans.
Rocketown has always been a place where kids can go that’s safe. They reach out to kids in all situations from all beliefs, but my question here was more about where does ministry cross the line?
Like I said, if Focus on the Family rented out their auditorium for a Amy Winehouse concert, supporters of the ministry would justifiably question the move. So the fact that Rocketown is hosting a night of music with a message totally contrary to their Christian mission is more than a little weird.
Like I said, if you like that music, have at it. But at a Christian club? I wonder what the mainstream artists think. Do they feel like they’re a “project” if the staff is desiring to “reach out to them”?
Just my two cents (which is what I get paid to write, LOL).
Joanne
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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 12, 2009 at 6:03 pm


Skeletonwitch fan – I guarantee you won’t see a single protester. That’s not what this is about. Rocketown is a really fantastic venue, and I’m sure you’ll have a great time there!
Joanne
host of the GS blog



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 6:34 pm


I’ll be down there with my John 3:16 sign and my afro wig on. I might even get in the mosh pit.
Oh, and sorry for what Christians have done, I do not agree with that either.
The darkness hates the light. Look at these responses. It tells the tale.



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BOB

posted October 12, 2009 at 6:57 pm


WHOEVER WROTE THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL….JUST BECAUSE A BAND SINGS ABOUT SATANIC THINGS DOESN’T MAKE THEM SATANIC….THEY COULD BE DOING IT TO GAIN A WIDER AUDIENCE….JUST LIKE THIS “GODLY” VENUE IS DOING….BRINGING IN BANDS THAT KIDS LISTEN TO TO GENERATE MONEY RATHER THAN HAVEIN SOME CRAP ACOUSTIC BAND GETTING ON STAGE SINGING ABOUT AN ENTITY THAT IS MADE UP AND ASKING EVERYONE TO HUG ONE ANOTHER…..THESE BANDS AREN’T EVEN REMOTELY SATANIC….AND IF THEY WERE BIG DEAL! IT’S ALL ABOUTT MONEY ANYWAY. IT GIVES SOME KID A CHANCE TO GO SEE GOOD BANDS AT POSSIBLY THE ONLY VENUE THAT HIS PARENTS WILL ALLOW…..CHRISTIANS NEED TO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING SOMEONE SAYS…OR SOMETHING SOMEONE DID….IT’S VERY SAD…..YOU ARE ALL LOST! QUIT WORRTING ABOUT GOOD MUSIC AND GO BACK TO FINDING OUT WHICH OF YOUR PASTORS IS GOING TO FONDLE THE NEXT CHILD….OR WHO IN YOUR CHURCH IS SLEEPING AROUND AND BEATING UP THEIR SPOUSES……JESUS IS MADE UP….YOUR IDEALS ARE ALL WRONG…IT’S VERY SAD…AND I’M DONE.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 7:24 pm


Sure Bob.. the article is about a club that was founded by a Christian artist, specifically to provide a safe place for youth to congregate and watch concerts.
The bands in question are satanic bands, their subject matter is satanic in nature.
You and others may disagree with me, but I am going on what I see in their content, their lyrics, their music, their mission.
Again, the dark hates to be exposed, and many of you are in a dark place.
I’ll be praying for you to come to the light.



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black dahlia murder fan

posted October 12, 2009 at 7:31 pm


Off the same CD as the mentioned song “Black Valor,” I have included a link to their official music video – Necropolis. As you can see (mute it, if you prefer not to hear the music), it is in a bowling alley. It is clearly made to be a funny video – to please it’s fans. Typical of this genre of music, they do occasionally have anti-christian lyrics. However, had the ‘journalist’ done any bit of journalism and done some investigation, they would have discovered the members of these bands are not satanic, and the majority of the fans are not either. Most consider themselves to be atheist – far from being devil-worshipers as is depicted in the article. To be a satanist, one must also believe in God, for there would not be one without the other.
As to the comment about assuming these bands were Christian – if you are stating that the general public would relate bands such as “The Black Dahlia Murder,” “SkeletonWitch,” and “Toxic Holocaust” to Christianity, then maybe you are inferring something about the general intelligence of Nashville? There is no way any rational person would do so. Of course, there is no way a ‘rational’ person could believe a giant, omnipotent, all-knowing being is watching over us…



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Grant Evans

posted October 12, 2009 at 8:01 pm


Steven King writes of horror stories and evil but does this make him and evil man? no.
Lyrics in metal music are not always based upon personal belief like in most conventional styles of music. (a la Christian) Anyone who reads into the “satanic” lyrics of a band like Toxic Holocaust and takes them seriously need more help then these so called evil bands. Tom Araya of Slayer, which is arguable one of the most evil metal bands lyrically, is a Christian.
Also, in general, metal fans don’t read into lyrics like Christians do for Christian music. We listen for the MUSIC not the LYRICS, which is why so much terrible Christian music is popular. It’s about the LYRICS and not the MUSIC in that case.
Anyone true Christian who would go to this show because they go to Rocketown to feel “safe” and then converts to a satanist they were never a Christian in the first place.
Also, for future reference Hardcore (not Hard Core) is a style of music that is completely unrelated to metal music but is closely linked into the punk scene. So when you say hard core metal bands, it makes no sense. Common mistake of people who do not read about metal.



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Dara

posted October 12, 2009 at 9:24 pm


Please tell me how this is *not* satanic:
http://www.darklyrics.com/t/theblackdahliamurder.html
Some things are just indefensible folks… like these lyrics, satanic music being played in a Christian-run club that is supposed to be a safe place for teenagers, clueless parents, and those who would try to defend the indefensible.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 9:28 pm


I disagree.. just because it may not affect you, does not mean if wont affect others.
I watched a video by the band The Black Dahlia Murder over on MySpace. They are doing drugs, drinking like crazy, cussing like a sailor. Does this make them satanic? No.. but why write about busting a young girls hymen with a cross? That is ludicrous. Let me say that these people are puppets for satan. They know not what they do. they are lost souls. Ive been there before myself.
A club like Rocketown that was founded by a Christian should draw the line when it comes to content. There are plenty of screamo hard core Christian bands who sing about Jesus kicking satan’s ass. I have no problem with those bands or songs.
But don’t mix that with bands who perform songs like what these bands are doing. I don’t care if they are pretending (they arent, they have an agenda even if they don’t know it). It’s just plain nasty crap that is best performed in someones basement.



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Chris

posted October 12, 2009 at 9:32 pm


but keith,where is the dark hiding?? these bands dont hide anything, they don’t hide being satanist because they aren’t. they are human beings, you read a few lyrics and assume that they are in fact evil and wrong,why because they dont share your god. a lack of theism applies to just that,thats all. whether a person is a good person or not, goes beyond so much more then a belief in god. how are we in dark places, do you know any of us personally? i have a great life, im very happy,have great friends ,a beautiful wife and son, im a good person that doesn’t harm another living soul,but yet because of a lack of a belief from something that cant be proven or dis proven,im in a dark place? right. so is the ex reverend dan barker in a dark place? you know the pastor that became an atheist after 20 years in the service of the lord.
i really wish Christians saw things in more then black and white,because life isnt always as easy to define as you think. jesus hung out with the worst people in life,because he looked beyond the outside,but it seems allot of you cant do the same. theres an old saying “you catch more flies with honey” maybe instead of casting judgment ,should welcome this chance to prove that Christians really arent close minded as they are made out to be.
i used to be in touring bands that played in several christian owned venues and for the most part,the only thing that was said or asked was a refrain from using foul language but otherwise was the same as a normal venue. bands tend to have more on their mind then if the venue is religious or not.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 10:02 pm


Chris.. the issue isnt so much what these bands are doing and who they are..
The is is THIS.. Rocketown is billed as a Christian club, founded by a Christian, and they are letting hard core satanic rock in there and parents who dont know any better are sending little Johnny’s and Sally’s in there thinking they are hearing something ENRICHING.. Do you NOT see an issue with this? And these bands call on their lord.. its not a lack of theism.
Jesus hung out with these people and called them on their sin. He said Go and Sin No More, REPENT.
Sounds like you threw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater.. sorry to hear that. I almost did too, because I get fed up with Christians sometimes.. But that does not change who Jesus is in my life.
See, you were influenced by loony Christians the same way these kids can be influenced by these loony bands.



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Chris

posted October 12, 2009 at 10:13 pm


well Keith why don’t you go to the show and actually try and talk to the bands, not judge or condemn them but actually talk to them, you might be surprised by the results.
it does amuse me how it keeps getting called “satanic” yet whenever Christian bands play at a “secular” venue,its not called a night of “Christian” rock.
im not sure what bible you are reading,but i do not recall jesus simply saying that but thats neither here or there.
it is so much easier to dismiss someone as “loony” then actually be a man and try to get to know someone. im very sorry you feel that way and truly hope one day your eyes open. i highly suggest reading “godless” by dan barker, it is a very good book and unlike allot of books on atheism ,it comes from a personal level as a man who was once a soul winning christian.
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Keith Mohr

posted October 12, 2009 at 11:04 pm


Chris.. I think what I’ll do is pray for these poor souls. It will be more effective than going to a seedy club, pinching them on the cheeks and telling them what they are doing is wrong. I have a feeling they wont take too kindly to that.
praise be to Jesus



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Eliot

posted October 13, 2009 at 1:47 am


This is ridiculous. Another reason for these bands to hate christianity. Good job guys.



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Ryan

posted October 13, 2009 at 2:54 am


If you are so intolerant you cannot allow bands with lyrics containing different points of view, then i feel a bit sad for you. What is so funny about this is that no one will understand the lyrics anyway. These bands don’t have violent or sexual stage shows, so you are all getting your underwear in a twist for a dozen or so bearded dudes growling for a couple hours.
ps, we write lyrics like this to make you people cringe. You are rewarding us by being shocked. We are in symbiosis. We exist because of your insanity. The repression we have faced from christians causes us to create offensive material.
So keep complaining, you push us further.



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A dude

posted October 13, 2009 at 3:09 am


These comments keep running in circles and I am now dizzy from reading them. I frequent Rocketown often and know many of the people that work there. I have played countless shows and have attended more concerts. They have ranged from secular metal bands to christian rock bands. This blog raises an interesting point. First I will say that the standards have been lowered from where they used to be. Certain bands could not play and cussing was not allowed from bands live in the past. But we are living in the now. These bands are extremely popular with people. I have been going to shows in nashville since I was 15. The only other options in this town for kids are run down venues that are not safe. Some are involved in drugs and most are 21 and up. I feel that rocketown is doing its main purpose, to have a safe, positively ran venue for whoever might come through it’s doors. I have not been to any other venue in nashville where I feel more welcomed. We must treat everyone with respect. Our job as christians is not to continuously preach to the choir, it is to extend a hand to the lost. Rocketown is not in the wrong.



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john cena

posted October 13, 2009 at 4:52 am


I have been going to rocketown for almost 6 years now. The staff is like my family. Even though I am not a christian they have always accepted me for that, as any christian should. They do so much for the community and provide a safe venue for people the watch live bands. I can’t say enough good things about that place. The point is, no one is going to start worshiping satan after these bands play. Its harmless. Rocketown is not in the wrong here, you are for judging them. In case you’re curious, its judgmental christians like you that stray people from the word of god.



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girl

posted October 13, 2009 at 5:16 am


good bands. backed hard.



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keith Mohr

posted October 13, 2009 at 9:35 am


have fun kids.. have a great time.
Rocketown has sold out. Plain and simple. They are sellouts.



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Angus James

posted October 13, 2009 at 12:33 pm


I had something important to say but your captcha timed out and now the fate of the world is in your feeble hands.
Good luck with that.
Parting thought: ” A fear based society is one destined to repeat it’s mistakes”. “Drawing lines in the sand is one way to create boundaries, but don’t expect them to last because as soon as you turn your back the line in the sand will be covered in foot prints”.
Namaste’
AJ



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 13, 2009 at 1:57 pm


John Cena, thanks so much for you comments. I appreciate that even tho you’re not a Christian you’ve found a safe place to hang out at Rocketown. That’s what’s really important – thanks for the perspective!
Joanne
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Keith Mohr

posted October 13, 2009 at 3:37 pm


Joanne, Rocketown is not a safe place. Not too long ago, a lead singer of one of the bands that played their exposed them self on stage. This kind of stuff goes on all the time down there.
Saying that Rocketown is a safe place is false advertising.



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john cena

posted October 13, 2009 at 3:47 pm


Keith Mohr, you are out of your damned mind. that has happened ONCE. sure sometimes things are going to go wrong, thats life. its doesnt happen all the time. you are making silly assumptions and only making yourself look ignorant.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 13, 2009 at 4:02 pm


Errrr … someone actually exposed themself on stage? Um … well …
Joanne
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john cena

posted October 13, 2009 at 4:14 pm


also keith mohr, it was the drummer. that shows how much you know about the incident.



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keith Mohr

posted October 13, 2009 at 5:31 pm


John, oh, excuse me. A d*ck is still a d*ck.



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Jerry Balentine

posted October 13, 2009 at 7:45 pm


First of all, Rocketown isn’t a Christian venue anymore, so they can darn well book any band they want to. Michael W. Smith sold this venue years ago. This shows just how incredible ignorant you people at beliefnet.com really are for not doing the adequate research to tell the whole story of what is going on. Thanks for being hypocritital and pushing more people away from Christianity!



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Keith Mohr

posted October 13, 2009 at 10:18 pm


Jerry,
Ill do some checking on that. This is something I did not know. Michael still promotes Rocketown on his website as a Christian club that is safe for teens. If its not the same club/mission Michael started out years ago, they should change the name of the club.
And if this conversation pushes people away from Christianity, then the person who is pushed away is easily influenced by people and their relationship with Christ was weak. Thats their deal, not mine.
You satanists use this a lot when Christians take a stand against blasphemy.
Its weak, very weak. I figured you could come up with something better, something more like that crap music you listen to.
Oh by the way, Jesus loves you.



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Pat

posted October 13, 2009 at 11:29 pm


The reason bands like these are being booked here, is because a very large facility in downtown Nashville still has to pay the bills, and unfortunately second rate singer/song writers do not cover the water bill let alone rent on a 10,000 + square foot facility. And people do not want to rent out a facility for business meetings, weddings, parties, etc. while kids are skating in the park or hanging out at a safe place. So until you or your church are willing to write a check to pay their bills, you have no room to speak in this matter.



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john cena

posted October 13, 2009 at 11:30 pm


hahahah just because people dont believe in god doesnt make them a satanist.



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keith Mohr

posted October 13, 2009 at 11:48 pm


lots of churches have written checks to this hell hole Pat. Maybe if Rocketown conducted their business better and stated true to the mission more christians would support it. They sold out..sellouts.
John… of course I know this. Im not saying those who do not believe in God are satanists.. they are simply lost. Ive been there, done that and got the t-shirt.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 14, 2009 at 9:35 am


Jerry, according to the website, MWS is still on the Board of Directors. He may well not be the owner, but the site still does promote it as a ministry. If that helps.
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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 14, 2009 at 9:37 am


Hey, all! Thanks for the … err … spirited? … discussion. Today, I have a post up about an article Nashville writer Tracy Moore wrote about a night at Rocketown. The article is from 2007, but Tracy told me this week she had the same thoughts as Keith before she went to check it out.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2009/10/rocketown-and-secular-bands-an.html
I don’t think there’s a way to really settle a discussion like this, but it is important to have it. Let’s try, though, to stay civil, OK? Bnet will start removing comments if they get too nasty and besides, we should be able to debate and still play nice. :)
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Pat

posted October 14, 2009 at 10:37 am


Dear Mr. Keith Mohr,
After making my post I went back and read all of the comments posted on this blog and to be honest I really do not see how you can call yourself a Christian. As someone who grew up in the church, I can honestly say that you are one of the approx. 10% of self-righteous, holier then thou yahoos that give modern day Christianity a bad name. Not once in any of your responses was there kindness, love, positivety, or any of the other lessons your supposed saviour taught. Disdain runs from lips, arrogance from tongue, and contempt from your fingers. Sir I am not sure if you are aware of the fact that being a Christian means more then wearing a cross around your neck and reading a bible.
And to Ms. Joanne Brokaw,
I appreciate your commenets and retort. I am glad to see that even through the scrutiny your article (which I do not agree with) you have kept your position and went the high road and stead of stooping to point fingers and name call like some uneducated juvenile. I apreciate that.
The fact of the matter is that Rcktown(how it is properly spelled) is to this day THE ONLY safe haven that I know of in Nashville. We have Boys and Girls clubs…… right by the projects. Parks…… right beside industrial areas. If you are 12-21 and need a safe place it really is the only place to go. And when I say safe, we are talking wanding at the door to prevent weapons, patting down to keep drugs, alcohol, and even cigarettes out of the club, and adult supervision in all areas at all times. In fact no matter what your age is, you cannot keep cigarettes on your person or come in if you have been drinking at all. The people there are all Christian and most volunteer their time. Their is still is huge Christian message being pushed through that place. Just because they have seculiar bands does not mean they are pushing “Satanism” ,or whatever you might call it, on people. How are you going to go witness to those who already know your message? Why would you help those that do not need help?
I hope this sheds a little light on the venue. I personally do not go there very often because I am a little older and enjoy a beer with my music. Being an older non-Christian I feel out of place there. But it serves its purpose and serves it well.
Ms. Joanne Brokaw,
I would very much appreciate it if you were to make a trip there randomly perhaps on a Saturday afternoon just see it for yourself. I believe your next article will be quite different.
Mr. Keith Mohr,
You should be embarrassed by the way you are speaking to these young people. You in no way give your cause a good name. Your contemptuous vernacular is the exact reason why there is such a huge backlash against the church in todays society. As I stated previously, Being a Christian more then going to Bible study and wearing a jesus fish t-shirt.
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Paul

posted October 14, 2009 at 10:44 am


You know, “Satan” was joking here (I am certain), but he makes a really valid point:
“Hey, don’t associate my name with these horrible bands, even i wouldnt touch them. now hall and oates,thats a way to trick in people”
After all, which is worse, spiritually speaking?
a) band that screams about nuking crosses, which is so ridiculous and “evil sounding” that it’s laughable
or
b) Cherry Pie by Warrant
Sure, the (a) option is more shocking, but if the truest definition of satanism is self worship and self indulgence, than isn’t (b) the song about gratuitous sex for the sake of gratuitous sex, bad album cover art and all, the satanic anthem?
When it comes to raising my kid, give me the “dark” and “evil” bands any day of the week. They can be explained away. Those random wink and nod and sexual innuendo tunes are a lot harder to explain away and definitely do more damage. Heck, at least Deicide has to acknowledge God in order to hate Him, right?



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 14, 2009 at 10:51 am


Pat, I’ve been to Rocketown, actually, and I think it’s a fantastic club. Since I live in NY it’s not possible to stop over on a Saturday, but I did post a link to really great article from a Nashville writer who spent an evening there: http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2009/10/rocketown-and-secular-bands-an.html
I think my position is … I can see both sides. I completely understand offering a place for kids to come that’s safe, where they can get “loved on” (if I can use some Christian jargon). I know that Rocketown (Rktwn is the logo spelling) and the folks that run it have genuine hearts to serve God and reach out to the kids. I do get it. Honest.
And please understand that Christians are very, very generous in supporting missionaries who go and live with people live completely … well, contrary to Christian beliefs. That’s what sharing the gospel is all about.
At the same time, I think it’s only fair to be honest with financial supporters that money they use is being spent to book bands that are clearly contrary to a Christian message. I don’t know that Rocketown is clear about that.
But thanks for the perspective. I’m still uncomfortable with Christian parents sending their kids to Rocketown thinking it’s all Christian; then again, maybe they all know what’s going on and what the outreach is all about and because I’m not in Nashville the story was completely out of left field for me. I mean, totally out of left field. Really, really out of left field!
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Pat

posted October 14, 2009 at 10:58 am


Joanne,
Any seculiar band that is booked there is done through private booking agents in which the venue gets a cut. Absolutely no money comes from the facility’s pockets to bring in these bands. It is solely done third party.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 14, 2009 at 11:04 am


Pat, I don’t have a cause. Honestly. My beef is with Rocketown selling out. They have, case closed.
They might as well bring in prostitutes and strippers, Jack Daniels and crystal meth and get it all over with.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 14, 2009 at 12:00 pm


Heres the article about the lead singer who exposed himself at a show at Rocketown.
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8587459



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Kevin Bruchert

posted October 14, 2009 at 1:04 pm


I’ve spent a lot of time at Rcktwn both as a musician in a band that played there and as an attendant of a show held there. It’s a very special place, unlike any ‘club’ or ‘venue’ I’ve been to. The heart of Christ goes before almost every action in that place and the staff are on point to bring the Love of Christ to every person through its doors. The ministry isn’t just to the kids, but to the bands as well.
In Matthew 17 and Mark 9, we hear the story of the boy who Jesus delivered from demon possession. In this story, we find that venue is of little importance. Would Jesus have not healed the boy in a non-profit music venue, verses a church youth group or a purpose driven outreach??? Relational ministry is messy and difficult to quantify but it is not invalid. We put limits on God’s power when we start to judge what situations are ‘worthy’ or ‘acceptable’ for Him to work in.
I would encourage anyone reading this article to go down to RCKTWN on any given night when an event is being held. Spend some time with the staff, sit in on their prayer times, watch them interact with the bands and the kids at the show. I think you will find a very different kind of story being told here if you experienced it first hand.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm


kevin, I understand your point..
Here’s the BIG ISSUE.
We are to be IN the world. We are not to be OF the world.
And, most importantly, we should not desire to be LOVED by the world.
if Rocketown really wants to make a point of ministering to these people, they should not CHARGE a cover charge. Did Jesus CHARGE the boy to be healed?
This is why I say they are SELLOUTS.



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James DisSpain

posted October 14, 2009 at 2:02 pm


Is Rocketown a church or a club? Would any of you be willing to go to a Black DM show to share Christ with them? Do you invite the lost into your church in hopes that the might make a connection with Something, the message, the people, the staff… Christians are very quick to say what they need to say, but sometimes slow to listen, especially to a lost person. You cant send your kids to a venue just because of the venue. Would you send them to just Any church because its church? You have to know the bands, satanic, Christian, or whatever. If these bands were playing at the bar down the street, would you feel better? Would they be better off? I go see bands because of the bands, not the venue.



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Noah Murphy

posted October 14, 2009 at 2:05 pm


I understand the want a desire to share Christ to the bands(this needs to happen no refuting this) the question is a group that says that it’s MISSION–From their website.
“Rocketown shares Christ’s love with youth through creative programs and mentoring relationships that are culturally relevant and eternally significant.”
How does allowing the inverse/perverse world view meet this mission. If the goal is to reach the lost and share Christ’s love with youth. Then does it not mean make a way to see/experience Christ. When does that happen in a hard core show that is not done by a group of “hard core” follower’s of Christ? It what time did Christ ever use the world to bring others to him? SO IMHO if you state one thing and do another you are “of the world” not just in it



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Ben Garner

posted October 14, 2009 at 8:09 pm


Light and darkness have no fellowship together, but if there are any concerned Christians with enough chutzpah just pray the blood of Jesus over the stage that the groups play on. The blood of Jesus is stronger than any satanic band or backslidden person in charge of hiring these bands. Yes you heard me and I did not stutter. I served the Lord spreading the Gospel in Africa in the middle of a war with soldiers having to escort us from town to town. I have put my life on the line for the sake of Christ I don’t see why I should have to submit my teenagers to the bombardment of satanic bands that are going in the wrong direction!



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RJ Sharp

posted October 15, 2009 at 2:17 am


I’ve never been to Rocketown but was a big MWS fan in my younger days.
I consider myself slightly liberal for a Christ-follower, and I think using secular bands for greater draw is a good idea (and yes, can be more lucrative). I listen to mainstream music probably more than Christian nowadays. However, some of these bands are over the top and clearly seem at odds with Rocketown’s mission statement to “share Christ’s love with youth through creative programs and mentoring relationships that are culturally relevant and eternally significant.” While I’d like to think that the staff engage this mission with genuine love and concern, lyrical hooks like “With hell reborn, your Christ be scorned” send a contrary, confusing message. I understand “culturally relevant” and support that notion.
Groups with different points of view are good, as are songs ABOUT pain, anger, violence and hatred, which are all part of the human experience…but hosting groups with songs PROMOTING violence and hatred are not fitting for this mission, whether blatantly satanic or not.



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Angi Kane

posted October 15, 2009 at 9:20 am


In Nashville, we have a club whose mission is to share Christ but are inviting anti-christ through the doors. That is a problem. If we follow the example God set before us, we cannot support this as followers of Christ. This is the very reason Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden. Now, I do agree that we have to be in the world but not of the world because this is what Christ said of Himself. However, embracing satanic music or any music in opposition to the gospel would make us “of this world”! We also have to take a stand for life (Christ) or death (antichrist). We can’t have both. Revelation 3:16 tells us, “So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.”
The bottom line is this: A Christian ministry cannot play host to bands with a message contrary to the gospel and still be Christian. At this point, it becomes displeasing to God.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 15, 2009 at 6:19 pm


I think Ill go down to Rocketown on Oct 27 and do some interviews with attendees, staff, the bands, and see what is going on. Ill be a roving reporter of sorts.
Watch for my report soon.



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whoops.

posted October 16, 2009 at 2:22 am


Keith, speaking of charging money for an event, you of all people should know what it’s like to be in the real world. You post it yourself, via your Facebook. Sorry, but don’t point a finger at others if you are living in the same real world where it costs money to do things:
“Ruach Music Conference is on October 22-23 at Fellowship Bible Church in Brentwood, TN. This event will feature artists, speakers, radio and business professionals and will provide the opportunity for those who are called to music to gain knowledge and practical information to help guide their ministry. I’ll be speaking at it, and if you contact me, you can get in for just $50 per person! http://www.ruachmusic.net



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whoops.

posted October 16, 2009 at 2:25 am


And that is in no way a put down to Fellowship Bible, or the event that is going on there. It’s plain and simple that in order to have an event, usually you have to cover expenses for it, thus you have to charge. I think any one of us can understand that, so whether you disagree with Rocketown or not, pulling that card (obviously) doesn’t work, since it’s a practice of many (including you).



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John

posted October 16, 2009 at 2:26 am


I am in a Christian band from Nashville. We play regularly at “secular” venues and bars in Nashville but have had a really, really, really hard time getting gigs at Rocketown. Rocketown is pathetic and I don’t know what Michael W. Smith is thinking. They almost exclusively book bands that are non-Christian and then a good band like ours that plays all over this part of the country can’t get a gig there. It’s ridiculous. Rocketown wouldn’t be in such bad need of money if they were booking more bands that parents would actually not hate their kids to see.



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interested

posted October 16, 2009 at 2:33 am


John, what band is it? I’m always interested in great new bands!!



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keith Mohr

posted October 16, 2009 at 12:21 pm


Hey whoops (Nice name by the way, fits your logic like MJ’s glove).
Your logic is so crazy and whacked out.
Let’s charge $$ to see a satanic band in a Christian club so the club can book more secular bands.
VS:
A music conference that I am not putting on and speaking at for FREE is charging a crazy low price of $50 to pay Fellowship Bible to use their facility to train Christian musicians to increase the kingdom of heaven.
yeah, great logic.



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posted October 18, 2009 at 11:05 am


hey keith
seems that you are pretty apart of this world, you have a website,a twitter,a facebook and even more. it actually takes time to make,maintain and use these things and then there’s the money issue but i wont knock a mans hustle.funny how the man that points out that Jesus wouldn’t charge money, charges for his own causes. i really think you should get off your high horse and take a good hard look at the things you’ve said, because you are coming off as the stereotypical a**hole christian that cast judgment on everyone else. its funny how you keep referring to being lost yourself once yet you still throw blame everywhere else. if you were truly lost,then you’d understand that love and respect are what people need, not this constant string of abuse and yes you are verbally abusing people behind your computer screen, makes you feel like a big man huh. Jesus hung out with the low-lives,the criminals and such and he didn’t cast judgment or blame on anyone. he respected everyone and just spoke with them like a human being would. he set the example they would follow, he didn’t get all up in their faces saying, you are wrong, wrong wrong WRONG, even though im sure you will try to come back with some response saying he did, if you were actually there then i will accept the inaccuracy of my statement but i highly doubt you were and quoting the bible at me will do nothing because unfortunately,for you, the bible isn’t always interpreted the way you want. links to this blog has been posted all over the metal community and while some of you have been very respectful, i wonder if Keith actually realizes how many have read his words and been pushed even further away from Christ, but im sure he will come back and say that is their problem blah blah blah. as a representative of Christ,it should be your problem sir,you are supposed to be the vision of Christs love and all i see is a shining example of ignorance and hate. its really sad when other Christians call you out on being holier then though but i highly doubt their or my words will even dent Mr. Mohr’s inflated ego.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 18, 2009 at 11:00 pm


Why dont you people who have a problem with me post your real names?
I don’t care what you think of me, or my opinion.
Just because you are a Christian doesnt mean you cannot have and voice your opinion.
I stand behind my original thought…
Rocketown has sold out.. Might as well change the name of the club to “Satan’s Hellhole.”
At least then it wont be false advertising.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm


So, Rocketown is having a rally Tuesday, Oct 20 to raise money to bring in more satanic bands and influence the youth culture with quality talent..
Michael W Smith will be there as the MC. Tony Dungy will speak, Jeff Fisher will be there, crying over the Titans 59-0 loss to The Patriots.. And Martina McBride and Vince Gill will be there sharing some country twang.
Interesting lineup..bring in country acts, 2 football guys and Smitty, who some people say isn’t involved with RT anymore..
Why not being in The Black Dahlia Murder and have them do a few tunes? SkeletonSwitch??
Wonder why they ARENT doing that.



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Mark Sullivan

posted October 19, 2009 at 2:26 pm


I have issues for sure, I am all for a free country, Satanist have every right to have a club as Christians do. My problem is when a proclaimed “Christian venue”, sells itself out. If you are taking money from people who support your cause you need to supply that cause. I am all about letting anyone come in and Worship, that is what we are here for, but to use a anti-Christian band to “witness” to non-Christians doesn’t make much sense. That’s what Pillar and those guys are for.
I went and saw Family Force 5 last Saturday, the band “Breathe Carolina” opened for them, they dropped the F-bomb at least 10 times. They are playing Rocketown later this year. Its sad, they just need to remove the faith based part of their values and just be a club.
Hopefully they will see the light before its too late.



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a concerned parent

posted October 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm


I think it’s safe to remove the quotation marks from the word “satanic” in the title above. The following refers to the particular lineup coming to Rocketown.
A quote from neufutur.com:
“On the behalf of my mates in The Black Dahlia Murder, we are f*cking pumped to hit the road with Skeletonwitch, Toxic Holocaust, and Trap Them. We have forged this alliance in the name of Satan, hand picking the best bands possible to bring you the most stage dive worthy tour of the fall. Circle up!” comments vocalist Trevor Strnad.



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Roflmao!

posted October 19, 2009 at 6:45 pm


They should have booked this artist, he’s better than all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWac5UT80no
Here’s a simple exercise in logic for all you folks who have obviously either stopped thinking or smoked yourself stupid.
If it quacks like a duck – walks like a duck – swims like a duck – and has feathers like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
Rocketown is a perfect example of the church as a whole



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yshwa4life

posted October 20, 2009 at 7:02 am


..this is an outrage! Rocketown was meant as a place for kids to go to stay OUT of trouble..a safehaven. What happened?!!
:steaming:



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Esther

posted October 20, 2009 at 11:16 am


God is doing something at this fundraiser. Be not afraid. The Lord is near!



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Gabriel Peter

posted October 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm


I blogged about this today. Someone had pointed me toward the discussion on Beliefnet. The link is listed above, also available at gabrielpeter.com.



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Anita Ferrer, Brave Flame Outreach

posted October 21, 2009 at 2:19 pm


This is appealing and I’m very disappointed that Smitty hasn’t made a stand. Judgment starts first in the house of God & It will be just a matter of time before God’s axe will fall on this so-called ministry.
I’m a youth pastor as well as a performer & I know from experience that kids NEED boundaries and absolutes. They are very impressionable & adults need tot to be their friends but loving authority.
We Christians in leadership roles also need to demonstrate that Christ is the absolute truth & power, not Satan. Kids are hungry for power and Satanist try to convince youngsters that Satan can give them power.
I was married to a man who dabbled in witchcraft, death metal & Ouija boards. These are DANGEROUS & misleading. The enemy works by subtle deception, making youngsters believe there is good power, but once they are ensnared they are caught in a trap of abuse, torment & long-term suffering. The hell my first husband dragged me through was beyond comprehension! The devil has no power.
Smitty needs to be CONFRONTED. Period!



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mike

posted October 21, 2009 at 5:07 pm


will they be serving bat or chicken heads? man I hope so!



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 21, 2009 at 6:29 pm


One thing that makes this even funnier to me is that I know for sure Skeletonwitch are not Satanists; judging from some comments at other shows I’ve been to, they’re almost certainly atheists (i.e., they don’t believe in Satan any more than they believe in any god or gods). Of course, I’m sure a lot of you here probably don’t appreciate the distinction, but believe me, us atheists think the Satanists are just as silly as Christians, Muslims, and Hindus.
I don’t know much of anything about Black Dahlia Murder, but I’d be willing to bet the “We have forged this alliance in the name of Satan” line is just the usual metal showmanship designed (along with the lyrics) to give a good poke in the eye to easily offended Christians.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 21, 2009 at 7:28 pm


SkeletonSwitch Fan..
I am not buying that one bit. So, if SW are atheist, why not write songs about Buddha and defile his name and mission? Mohammed? They always go after Christ. Why is that? It’s because they hate what Christ stands for and His church. And yes, that does offend me, although it takes a lot to offend me. This is way over the top.
What irritates me most is the logic that Rocketown uses to justify bringing these types of bands into an establishment that touts itself as a faith-based venue that is safe. No its not.. Not on Oct 27 it isn’t.
And if these bands use satanic music and rhetoric as a marketing ploy, they are just plain stupid.
However, I do not believe they are stupid, because I believe they know exactly what they are doing.
I bet they are laughing their butts off knowing that in a few days, they are playing at a Christian club.
And Rocketown is sowing into their mission by paying them to perform.
Warped logic there folks..



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Keith Mohr

posted October 21, 2009 at 7:48 pm


Here’s some nice lyrics from Skeletonwitch. They sound like such nice people. Makes me want to just give em a bible and some holy water.
Lyrics to Baptized In Flames :
Evil one now arise
As the witch has prophesized
Once cast down now return
Spread the seed unholy birth
Inverted crosses burn
Light the way to the horns
Unholy birth
Satan spawn
Baptized in flames
Born demon seed blasphemy
Baptized in flames
Surfacing the one with wings
Razor claw
Hooves for feet
Pure evil taking form
Darkness falls across the earth
Men will die
Men will burn
No mercy the hellfire
Baptized in flames
From black womb evil is born
taking lives from conception
Born of death mother slain
Taking hold of evil’s reins
Evil one now arise
As the witch has prophesized
Once cast down now return
Spread the seed unholy birth
Inverted crosses burn
Light the way to the horns
Unholy birth Satan spawn
Baptized in flames
Born demon seed blasphemy



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 21, 2009 at 8:05 pm


Keith,
“Why not write songs about Buddha”
Buddhists don’t go off on moral crusades every other week and annoy non-believers. It’s usually the Christians that are out to bother people (here in America anyway ; if we were in the Middle East and had fundamentalist Jews and Muslims hating on us all the time, we’d be more focused on them).
“It’s because they hate what Christ stands for…”
Maybe, maybe not. There are plenty of admirable things that Christ (supposedly) taught. Then again, there’s a lot of stuff that’s pretty silly and/or downright harmful as well. Speaking just for myself, I wouldn’t say I hate Christ (assuming anyone resembling the biblical picture of Christ ever existed).
“…and his church”
This is much closer to the truth. I can honestly say I don’t see a whole lot to recommend Christianity as typically practiced in America today.
“And yes, that does offend me”
And vulgar displays of religiosity offend me, but none of us have the right to never be offended.
“What irritates me most is the logic that Rocketown uses…”
This isn’t my fight. If Rocketown, or any other Christian venue, didn’t want to book these bands, that’s their right. However, as long there are good bands at Rocketown, I’m going to show up to support them and to have a good time. And I’ll continue to laugh every time someone gets miffed about it.
“…these bands use satanic music and rhetoric as a marketing ploy…”
I wouldn’t say it’s a marketing ploy so much as a dig at excessively religious people.
“I bet they are laughing their butts off knowing that in a few days, they are playing at a Christian club.”
I’m sure they are, and I am as well. That doesn’t change the fact that they almost certainly don’t worship Satan.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 21, 2009 at 8:30 pm


Im not on a moral crusade. However, it is my opinion that Rocketown should do a better job vetting acts that want to perform there and think about how those acts will affect attendees.
Atheists generally do not care about or believe in anything, and you prove this point in your response to me.



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 21, 2009 at 8:40 pm


Keith,
“Atheists generally do not care about or believe in anything…”
Some atheists may fall into the nihilism trap, but by no means do all of us. Personally, I care plenty about all of the injustice in the world, I dearly love my family, and I have hope (and sometimes disappointment and fear) for humanity in general. I care about education, about bettering myself, about doing a good job in my career, and about expanding freedom for myself and others.
What’s sad is how often religion gets in the way of all of those things.
“…and you prove this point in your response to me.”
I think you’re reading what you wish to see, rather than what I actually wrote. In any case, I’ve made pretty much all the points I wanted to make. Unless I get a more useful reply from you, or there is further hilarity on this topic, I’ll probably not be commenting again.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 21, 2009 at 9:18 pm


Its easy to rationalize compromise.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 22, 2009 at 9:32 pm


Channel 2 news in Nashville interviewed me for a story on this issue.
Click this link to watch the video.
http://tinyurl.com/yj3exh2
What are your thoughts on this topic?
Am I making a big deal about nothing?
Does Rocketown need to have more accountability on the acts they bring in?



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Keith Mohr

posted October 24, 2009 at 11:17 am


Check out a video blog about the satanic concert at Rocketown. This guy is a pagan and gets it! http://tinyurl.com/yhkoxz8



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm


Why do you say he’s a pagan? I checked his blog and didn’t see anything about his religious beliefs at all.



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Bob Dole

posted October 25, 2009 at 12:03 am


keith mohr=the new Jerry Falwell



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keith Mohr

posted October 25, 2009 at 1:08 am


The site is a pagan blog, so I assume the person running it is a pagan.
Bob Dole… nah, not even close. this isnt about morals, this is about Rocketown making poor choices when it comes to what artists they bring into their stablishement.



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From Ohio

posted October 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm


Keith, I don’t know if this is your intention or not, but you use the word “pagan” to demonize people who don’t know Christ. Please keep in mind, our enemy is Satan, not the people we are trying to reach for Christ. I take offense to your attitude toward the lost: you seem to belittle them for not appreciating Christian art, when they are not Christians in the first place.
Regarding Toxic Holocaust and their “deadly fixation on the evil in man and a post-apocalyptic world”… Does this not sound like an opportunity to start some conversations about beliefs in human nature and the afterlife with a non-Christian? I think Rocketown is providing a cool opportunity to reach the previously unreachable. Please do not squelch out their ministry simply because it makes you feel personally uncomfortable: rather, we should all pray that this will turn into something that God will use to spread his love and support this ministry in any way we can, for we know that he can use all things for the glory of Christ.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 26, 2009 at 9:37 pm


From Ohio, so how does Rocketown reach these people at these shows?
I know.. by frisking them for weapons and taking their $15.
Im praying for them, believe me.



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Lexis (Age 16)

posted October 26, 2009 at 9:55 pm


This is ridiculous. Truly. For a Chrsitian, you seem to making some rather snap jusgements about a place and people you don’t know enough about. I urge you, sir, to come and spend a week at rocketown and really see the difference it makes in all different kinds of people’s lives.
I’ve seen the difference. The people at rocketown set an example that I could only hope to halfway live up to someday. Walk in and ask anyone about their rocketown rolemodel. Ask about the bible study and skate church. Watch the videos from summer session and the Rally. Please, before you attack a place so close to my heart, come shadow the volunteers as we do our nightly jobs. Sit in on an afterschool class. Look at the expressions of pride on kids’ faces when they realize they’ve acomplished something.
As for the bands that play there, they run the gamut. I do, however, know personally that each band is cafefully chosen. The staff can’t control everything the bands do, but when things get out of control, they handle it.
You put your energy into banning rocketown, but where would you rather kids and teens like myself go? To other venues, where it reeks of underage drinking and drugs? Would you rather we all wander the streets at night, looking for trouble? Rocketown is by far the safest, most welcome place in this city for teens, and it’s a true blessing.
If you don’t believe me, come to a rave. Come see our resident hip hop group do a show. Come watch the skaters.
I, along with all of my friends, have been touched by rocketowns impact. It’s where I made my friends, it’s where I came out of my shell, and it’s where I learned maybe I wasn’t so bad, after all.
It’s painfully clear that you have not spent any time at rocketown, because if you ask anyone who has, you’ll get a very different opinion. Anyone, be it a volunteer, rocketown regular, or frequent show go-er, would be happy to tell you anyhting you want to know about rocketown. If you still aren’t convinced, consult any of the bands who’ve played there (among which include the artists from WinterJam and Cornerstone), consult the news crews who have come to do stories on the wonders of rocketown, consult the staff from the new rocketown florida, whose vision was boosted just by taking a look at the impact they may someday have.
So before you run your mouth and waste your energy on silly boycotts, please, take a look at rocketown and all the kids who care so much, that they’ll come here and defend rcktwn to the finish.
And if you still aren’t convinced, well then, I’m sorry. I’m sorry for you and what you will never open your eyes enough to see. I’m sorry that you will forever be under the false impression that you’re bettering a city you aren’t even from, by conspiring to shut down the one thing most of us have.
And for the record, I attended the Rally for Rocketown. I was one of the volunteers, meaning I donated my time because I believe in the cause. I was driven to tears thinking about all the good rocketown has done for me. I have been blessed by God to have rocketown and the people associated with it in my life.



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KRISTINA

posted October 26, 2009 at 9:56 pm


HAIL SATAN



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posted October 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm

Keith Mohr

posted October 26, 2009 at 10:18 pm


Ive been to Rocketown plenty times for shows and I have not seen ministry taking place at satanic concerts/shows. Tell me how that happens there..
The issue is not the one on one church/mentor activity.
The issue is having satanic bands like The Black Dahlia Murder in to their venue to spew their filth and hate of Christians. Why PAY them their fee to perform this crap?



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From Ohio

posted October 27, 2009 at 12:43 am


Keith – If you haven’t seen any success with reaching the lost, what are you doing to further their ministry? Are these people unreachable simply because they listen to music that, if taken seriously (which it almost never is, by anyone), indicates opposition to God? In our day and age, most non-Christians have had terrible church experiences or horrifying misrepresentations of Christianity that give good reason why they oppose Christ so openly. However, these people need love, not conservative shunning.
Also, please define “ministry”. I see it as sharing Christ in conversation with a friend in whom a personal relationship is invested, not overt signs of worship music or Christian clothing/culture that isolates Christians from the world. I’d like to hear more specifically why you are so quick to dismiss Rocketown’s success reaching the lost.



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Not Important

posted October 27, 2009 at 1:11 am


First off, as Christians we are called to lead by example and it seems that the only example people like to set is to be constantly offended. The members of these bands are people too, created by God just like everyone else, Christ died for their sins, just like He did for you and I. What if allowing them to come in to this environment and interact with Christians in an environment outside of some spiritually stale mega-church or whatever other great christian “beacon of light” they may have experienced before, may be planting a seed with them? Would that not be worth it? Would it not be worth it just because a couple of kids or parents are too ignorant to read the lyrics and seperate the music from the message? Being in a touring Christian hardcore band we sometimes tour with bands who have messages entirely contrary to ours but is the fact that we do that endorsing their message? No, they have the opportunity to say what they believe and by being on the same shows we have the opportunity to try to show what ours our. Would you rather have this show come through town in a venue that doesn’t have the stance of Rocketown and may even openly endorse what these bands are saying? I’ve been to and played shows with bands that have similar messages in venues that are spiritually neutral and occassionally even openly in agreement with them and I can assure you that is a much more difficult and even dangerous situation. Kids are going to go to a show with this line up either way there is nothing you can do about it but at least at Rocketown it is taking place in a positive environment that is open about being an establishment with Christian values, with people that take care to make sure it is a safe show. This is even an opportunity to bring kids into a Christian establishment and give them chances to interact with people they normally wouldn’t be around because they come to see BDM or one of the other bands. You have no idea how much of these kinds of things non-Christians address when talking about why they don’t believe. All they ever see are Christians arguing with Christians and being offended, splitting churches and being hypocrites. Read Acts 17:17-18, “So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.” This is a prime example of a marketplace, bringing in people of different worldviews and having the chance at reasoning with them. Paul didn’t avoid the contrary beliefs of the Epicureans or Stoics he went out into the marketplace and exposed them to the message of Jesus. Christians need to learn to love the Lord with all their hearts, souls AND MINDS, if people aren’t raising their kids in the faith to have sharp minds and understand that we have a faith we can be confident in, they are going to have their faith shaken and the responsibility for that lies not with the environment that it happened in but with the parents who try to blame someone else. Also, as far as club 3 degrees in Minneapolis, that venue is a prime example of isolationist Christians who are, from my experience, judgemental, hypocritical, unwelcoming and have an extremely greedy mindset. So, when we are looking for good examples of Christian venues I would suggest you look elsewhere. I am seriously so tired of this kind of ignorance and self righteousness, their is no reason for this to even be an issue. If you don’t think your kid can handle this show don’t let him/her go, that is the parents responsibility to decide, not Rocketowns. By no means is this saying that we should all be satanists or stop reading the Bible but if your mind and faith are that weak maybe you should step up Oh, Lukewarm ones.



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keith Mohr

posted October 27, 2009 at 2:17 am


argh, Ok, you win. have sataniic bands at Rocketown..
bring in the strippers
Open up a bar.
Win em all to christ.
have fun.
Good day.



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Not Important

posted October 27, 2009 at 4:03 am


That isn’t at all what anyone here is saying, those things are irrelevant here. The issue is that this is a music venue, not a venue strictly for Christian music. These people running it use the fact that they have a music venue to bring all kinds of bands to as an opportunity for ministry. Whether you’ve seen ministry or not is dependent on your definition of ministry. If you think the way to minister is to hand someone a tract and ask an obnoxiously rhetorical question that’s fine but there are other ways, living as the best example of what Christ can do in someones life is a great way to start and a great way to open dialogue with people. Christ came to heal the sick, and give sight to the blind. Bringing exclusively Christian bands to exclusively Christian clubs is all good and well and is what some venues are called to do but if every Christian that ran a venue did that we would be leaving so many people in the dark. If it weren’t for venues across the country like Rocketown entire genres of music would be bastardized and left out there for Satans use alone and why should we allow that? If it weren’t for these venues so many bands that are being used by God in amazing ways would have nowhere to spread their message. It’s somewhat sad that in a lot of places the only place Christian bands that play heavier music are accepted is by secular venues because there are people out there that, due to their own lack of understanding, come running in yelling “I don’t want this devil music in my church!” And yes those exact words were used to prevent my band from playing at a church about a year ago, and we are far from devil music. Would you also say that a Christian kid who wears a slayer shirt is a satanist and that his home must be a vipers den of satanists? No one is saying you have to condone or agree with it but by going to the news, protesting the show and posting as many ill informed links and threads as you can, you too could be considered a stumbling block for the weak. If you don’t agree with it that’s fine but there’s really nothing that anybody protesting will be doing other than confusing the kids that are there to watch bands play and also feeding into exactly what these bands are going for when they write these lyrics. They want to cause an uproar, they want people to be offended and they want attention. You are giving them all of those things. And whether it is a gimmick to the bands (which it most likely is) or whether they are sincerely trying to glorify satan, you are bringing so much attention to it, so many people that wouldn’t have otherwise even looked to see what the band was saying because they just want a show are now reading into these lyrics, and you know for a fact there are people out there that are going to really dive into that stuff because they know it angers and offends. I’m one hundred percent sure that Satan is loving the attention he is getting from this because he is all over the news, and rocketown didn’t do that, you did. I’m sure he is also enjoying the rifts this whole issue has caused, and it’s all thanks to people taking offense to trivial things.



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art teacher

posted October 27, 2009 at 9:34 am


It’s fair to critique the art as to its quality and relevancy, however assuming that the creators of the art are Satan worshipers is not a valid argument. What the artists personally believe is none of your business and assuming that they worship Satan is an illogical guess.
Mel Gibson was named,”Most Powerful Christian” in Hollywood. He has been in several movies where he shoots people, fights, has sex, etc.. By acting in those scenes, is he labeled a non-christian? Is it only because he tells people that he is a christian that he gets a free pass by Beliefnet.com? It couldn’t possibly be the example he sets in his personal life that makes him a great christian.
So if all these kids show up and say they are Christians, will you let them play “Baptized in Flames” and “Nuke the Cross,” and leave them alone? If the lyrics bother you that much ignore them. The music rocks.
Try and relax Nashville, and be nice like you would like to be treated. Ooops I almost quoted the bible.
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i'll remain anonymous

posted October 27, 2009 at 11:31 am


Why does it matter. I have been to both Christian and non christian shows at Rocketown and frankly the same kind of violence happens at both shows. Crowd surfing hasn’t been allowed for years at Rocketown, dancing has always been at your own risk, and August Burns red and Impending Doom cause just as much violence as They Said We Were Ghosts and White Chapel. I see no harm in an organization that has claimed to be christians but feels that people have the right to choose what they would like to be and chooses not to seclude a venue to just strictly christian beliefs. If teenagers go to shows, it is because they like the band. If teenagers go to Black Dahlia it is because they like one of the bands on the bill, not because they want christian fun. Rocketown security monitors all people in pits, Fighting isn’t allowed at all, anyone throwing a punch deliberately is kicked out. So the truth is, Rocketown being one of the only venues that is able to reach crowds of all ages, with a relatively large size, and that isn’t biased to the type of music, it is the obvious choice to book a show at.



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Skeletonwitch Fan

posted October 27, 2009 at 11:38 am


I found an EEEEEEVIL picture of one of the members of Skeletonwitch:
http://twitpic.com/n2814
I can see now why all you Christians are so afraid.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 27, 2009 at 11:57 am


Hi, all! I shared this comment on another post but I think it’s relevent enough to repeat here:
I think that one of the main points Keith might be trying to make is getting lost in myriad discussions about parenting and other things. Let me see if I can give you an analogy that might help:
Let’s say you support your local Democratic party, and you donated money to their fundraising campaigns. Let’s say you maybe even volunteered for a fundraising event. Then you see that the local Democratic headquarters is hosting an event featuring Sarah Palin, and when you ask why the Democratic party is paying lost of money to bring in Sarah Palin, they tell you it’s because they hope the local Republicans will come to their facility, meet the Democrats, see that they’re not really that different and maybe change parties.
Does that argument make sense to you? And how would you feel about the money you donated or the time you gave to support your political party? Would you feel confused or betrayed by the Democrats? Would you question who made the decision and want to know more than just “it’ll bring in Republicans that we hope to switch parties”?
It’s kind of a simple analogy, but that’s kind of how Christians felt when they saw this line up on the bill. I for one am completely supportive of the welcoming environment Rocketown provides to kids. I love that they are able to reach them via culturally relevent music. And I’m not even opposed to mainstream/secular music there. But I think there is a lot of benign mainstream music that could reach the kids, rather than bringing in a satan-supporting band. I think everyone who is questioning it has a right to, both as supporters of the ministry but also as Christians.
I think the discussion has veered off a bit in different directions, which is fine, but at the core Christians have to be accountable to each other. Honest discussions about why we do what we do are not only fair but necessary. I would hope if I was doing something completely contrary to what is Christ-like someone would call me on it. In fact, that has happened, and while I don’t necessarily like being called out, I am always thankful for someone who makes me think about WHY I’m doing it and how I might be able to do it better. It’s being Berean, I guess, and it’s being accountable.
Anyway, I hope that helps maybe explain why this is such a hot issue.
Joanne
host of the Gospel Soundcheck blog



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Manny

posted October 27, 2009 at 2:58 pm


I don’t know how this was booked, but it is the club’s responsibility to check into the nature of the events they’re having booked at their facility if they’re going to run a “christian” venue. Hopefully they don’t cancel my sex toy expo I booked for next month…



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keith Mohr

posted October 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm


lol Manny..
My friend wanted to book his wedding reception there and Rocketown declined his request because he wanted to serve wine with the dinner. Go figure..
A promoter booked this show Oct 27, but Rocketown could have said no. Guess they felt the content to be presented was OK. That is one of the issues.. by allowing it in, they endorse it. Sends a confusing message to people.



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BMN

posted October 27, 2009 at 4:44 pm


What’s really getting lost here is how shameful it is for these bands to have to stoop to playing a Christian venue! With no beer!? Who the heck booked this crap? You must listen to Stained Class backwards thrice and kiss Melissa once in penance, boys.



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keith Mohr

posted October 27, 2009 at 4:57 pm


LOL.. good one BMN! I bet these bands are laughing their butts off, getting to play at a Christian venue.



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I'll remain anonymous

posted October 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm


Why should Rocketown deny a non-christian band when they don’t deny non-christian people to attend shows. The bands do not push their faith to people who don’t want to hear it. If people attend the show, they are going for the bands, not the christian message rocketown sends. As an organization they must make sure they don’t deny bands and groups who aren’t christian because not only is it unfair for the group, but its also not a good way to act. Secluding people because of belief isn’t right just as denying people at a show for no apparent reason besides their musical lyrics. Once again its the child going to the show.
Alcohol is against the rules at rocketown period, but i guarantee you something else, or something was being prepared on that day.



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keith Mohr

posted October 27, 2009 at 6:41 pm


I think the reason is because of the mission statement rocketown has on their website and the confusing it creates. Here’s their mission statement, taken from this page:
http://www.rocketown.com/about/about-rocketown
Rocketown shares Christ’s love with youth through creative programs and mentoring relationships that are culturally relevant and eternally significant.
However, I was told this by Rocketown director, Ben Cissell,
RCKTWN has never been a Christian Music Venue. It is a music venue staffed by Christians.
Can you see how some folks would be confused by this?



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roflcopter

posted October 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm


Keith Mohr, I just saw some news video about this whole issue but what really struck me was the fact your 16 year old son asked you to go to a concert, at which point you then go online and read all of the bands lyrics and check out their videos? Cut the cord man!
I honestly doubt you think anyone’s faith is weak enough that they could go to a concert, hear a band singing about nuking the cross, and then form the connection that since Rocketown, a Christian club, put this concert on then this must be what Christianity is all about. That’s just the justification you’ve built up in your own head so you can stop a concert that is obviously in conflict with your beliefs. Is your faith so weak?



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RoboCopter

posted October 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm


What a strange first name, roflcopter.
I felt as a parent it was my duty to warn other parents of the types of events Rocketown has at their venue. If you dont like that, sorry. All Rocketown has to do to stop the confusion is let parents know what types of those they are having in..
Like this:
Oct 27- Satanic Show
Oct 28- Some Christian, Some satanic
Oct 29- Christian, but it’s hard to tell..
That will help parents decide which show to let little Johnny and Becky attend.
Couple things you stated that are incorrect:
1- Rocketown is not a Christian Club
2- Having satanic bands at a venue that states they are on a mission to spread Christs love is confusing.



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Satan

posted October 27, 2009 at 10:47 pm


http://www.lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=13508
funny how the news got some of its facts wrong isnt it,kinda like someone wanted them to look that way
keith Mohr for president



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Keith Mohr

posted October 27, 2009 at 11:57 pm


thanks Satan for that update, by the way, you are a schmuck and Christ kicked your ass.



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Billy Mays

posted October 28, 2009 at 1:30 am


Keith Mohr, you actually believe in Satan. That shows who the real “schmuck” is. Music is music, and you people fail to realize that metal musicians don’t actually believe in satan. Its all a gimmick. Its something to write songs about without pushing your beliefs on other people, unlike most christian rock bands.



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roflcopter the third

posted October 28, 2009 at 1:39 am


“Is your faith so weak?”
“What a strange first name, roflcopter.”
but this bit is my favorite…
“Oct 27- Satanic Show
Oct 28- Some Christian, Some satanic
Oct 29- Christian, but it’s hard to tell..”



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metaloverall

posted October 28, 2009 at 2:38 am


Half of the Christians having a sook here wouldnt know a real satanic band if it smacked them in the face, or a single thing about metal in the first place. This is hilarious how much the issue has been blown out of proportion by you idiots. By making a big deal out of it, plus getting the facts wrong, only shows your ignorance and stupidity as you have now given these bands the extra attention their shock values have intended to achieve. Hell you even helped them make the news!
I love how labeling things you are scared of or threatened by seems to make you feel better or something. ‘Satanic’ just roles off the tongue with you guys doesnt it? Dont think i can remember the last time Black Daliha Murder ripped up a bible or burnt a church down, or in fact spread or promoted the message of satan, but heck due to one song i suppose they must be satanic! Just like Slayer must be nazis for writing about the holocaust, Cannibal Corpse must be serial killers for singing about murders, or even Katy Perry must be bi for singing “i kissed a girl”.
We all know it, all your kids going know it, everybody who has had the decency to even look into the matter know that these bands are clearly not satanic so why cant you just leave it be? Kudos to the venue for allowing them to still play. Obviously they have respect for different peoples beliefs.
\M/ METAL FOREVER \M/



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SlayerFan

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:13 am


As Grant Evans said, Tom Araya of Slayer is a devout Christian off stage and is even quoted as saying in response to a question about the album “God Hates Us All”:
“God doesn’t hate. [But] it’s a great **** title.”
So, go figure haha



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:17 am


BUT WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?!



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:20 am


God really needs to try harder if his followers are so easily swayed that a bunch of mediocre metal bands can convince them to go and slaughter some goats. It’s miracle time!



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the voice of reason

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:24 am


I think the more important issue here is that teens ‘dancing under a disco ball’ is considered ‘eternally significant’.
Here’s a suggestion, why don’t you foster Jesus’ love by actually doing things that benefit humanity and the community rather than getting way too absorbed in pointless, shallow discussions over mundane issues that really have no significance rather than an excuse to foster an in-group/out-group mentality?



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:31 am


your god doesn’t exist and you’re wasting your life concerned with these pointless ‘problems’.
discuss.



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:37 am


Attention: metaloverall
‘Obviously they have respect for different peoples beliefs.’
Metal isn’t a ‘belief’ moron. It’s people like you that are an embarrassment to the rest of the metal community.



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Christian Metalhead

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:38 am


Look, I’m both a christian and a metalhead.
And I do listen to satanic metal, i dont decide not to listen to it because it conflicts my religion, i listen to it because i enjoy it. And if you enjoy it, who cares what the message is?
It’s not like kids will hear the lyrics and instantly change their opinions to fit the messages being played.



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metaloverall

posted October 28, 2009 at 4:26 am


Your Name, chill the f**k out. i never once mentioned that metal was a beleif. I was refering to the venue having respect for the individual band memebers beleifs, in other words, being open minded enough to accept that it is their choice what they choose to write about, and just because it may cross with others ideals, not disregard it and label it as something stupid as satanic. Instead they are welcoming the bands to help attract a wider crowd to their center. But hey thats okay, there always has to be one douchebag that has to jump the gun.



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 4:29 am


I love God!



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bible eater

posted October 28, 2009 at 4:57 am


your “god” doesn’t exist. Find something else to waste your time on.



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Your Name

posted October 28, 2009 at 4:59 am


These folks think Jesus never existed and he was not black either. A bunch of rock n roll heathens.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted October 28, 2009 at 12:12 pm


Did you go to the show? Give me your recap here:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2009/10/rocketowns-black-dahlia-murder.html
Joanne
host of the Gospel Soundcheck blog



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jonowev

posted October 28, 2009 at 1:40 pm


Hi there, my name is Jono. I’m an 18 year old student from the UK and I am a big fan of the bands that are at the centre of this controversy. I would be happy to answer any questions or concerns that you have about the music, and I will not insult your faith unlike some of these morons that are spamming this comment box. Fire away.



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Keith Mohr

posted October 28, 2009 at 2:36 pm


It is my hope that all of you who are reading this are as passionate about your relationship with Christ as you are about your defense of Rocketown, music, and freedom.



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jonowev

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:05 pm


I am indeed very passionate about music, and about freedom, but not about Christ. I do not beleive that Christ has ever done anything for me.



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urwrong

posted October 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm


I only see things wrong with this. So, xian ‘believers’ decide to snuff out free speech at an xian venue. I would certainly hope that absolutely no one angry at the fact that this venue is practicing their rights to expression would be angry at, say, the ten commandments being taken down from a Court or perhaps a secularist venue saying no to xian bands for promoting a faith that led to the direct deaths of millions through Crusades, witch burnings, and plain ol’ hate? I mean, we ban neo-NAZIs from playing secular venues. Why not xians? People following the loving word of their lord and savior killed more people than any scum ball fascist that walks the Earth today.



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huh?

posted October 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm


Hey huh.. learn the english language you dumbass.
Most of you people are just dumbassheep.



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Your Name

posted October 29, 2009 at 7:04 am


First, I’d like to comment that I am an avid fan of Toxic Holocaust. Second, I would also like to comment how misinformed you are.
I watched the news segment. funny how you show the video for “Nuke the Cross” and then jump to the lyrics for “hang the pope” which is not even a real Toxic Holocaust Song. Yes, the did cover it, but that’s not the point. I think you did it to add shock value to your protest.
I’ve been listening to Toxic Holocaust since I was 14. Yes, 14. I am now 19 years of age and I am still a dedicated fan. Am I a Satanist? No. Am I a Christian? Most definatley Not. I won’t attack your religion…but as far as I am concerned, an attack on music is an attack on MY religion.
Tipper Gore and the PMRC tried all of this protest stuff back in the 80′s…you know, stating righteous intent and smashing records, etc. But who hears about the PMRC anymore? Better yet, the “Deprogramming Camps” They supported where teenagers like me were Tortured while being forced to listen to their favourite music…some even died from it.
As Far as I’m concerned, Pious, Close Minded Christians are just as to blame as an “Satanic”, “Blashphemous” or “Violent” Band on the market today.
As I sit here listening to a copy of “Evil Never Dies” On vinyl…I say to you, Don’t judge a record by it’s sleeve and NUKE THE CROSS!!



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Keith Mohr

posted November 5, 2009 at 5:19 pm


Your Name, you prove my point to perfectly. thanks,



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SAD

posted November 9, 2009 at 8:18 am


Keith-
At this point you’ve not really accomplished much, but through sarcasm and assumption, you have divided and alienated quite a few people on this forum doing more harm than good for your cause. You will most surely see this as being “crucified with Christ” or “taking it for the team”. But try not to see it like that, just for a second.
I’m a believer, and the way you dialogue about this issue is super off putting. It really is. I mean I get your main point about the venue and the disconnect between bookings and mission statement, but in your quest to prove a point I think you’ve done some damage relationally. Go back and reread some of what you wrote. It’s very base and childish at times. It looks like you’ve perpetuated a lot of negative stereotypes about believers. And you’ve caused division… Your fight is not with these people, right? You say it’s with the venue? You have left a very argumentative digital trail.
What people are going to take away after reading this is not helpful to you, Christ, Indieheaven, or the people at Rcktown. And that counts for a lot. You should take more care and time when writing responses. As people have said, you come across arrogant and flippant.
Makes me sad.



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posted November 9, 2009 at 8:21 am


Keith-
At this point you’ve not really accomplished much, but through sarcasm and assumption, you have divided and alienated quite a few people on this forum doing more harm than good for your cause. You will most surely see this as being “crucified with Christ” or “taking it for the team”. But try not to see it like that, just for a second.
I’m a believer, and the way you dialogue about this issue is super off putting. It really is. I mean I get your main point about the venue and the disconnect between bookings and mission statement, but in your quest to prove a point I think you’ve done some damage relationally. Go back and reread some of what you wrote. It’s very base and childish at times. It looks like you’ve perpetuated a lot of negative stereotypes about believers. And you’ve caused division… Your fight is not with these people, right? You say it’s with the venue? You have left a very argumentative digital trail.
What people are going to take away after reading this is not helpful to you, Christ, Indieheaven, or the people at Rcktown. And that counts for a lot. You should take more care and time when writing responses. As people have said, you come across arrogant and flippant.
Makes me sad.



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Joel Tidwell

posted November 26, 2009 at 10:25 pm


These people are blowing this out of proportion, none of the bands are really serious, most of them I’m sure are just non-religious, the lyrics and the all that other stuff is just for shock value.. I’m positive none of these bands on this bill are satanic, The Black
Dahlia Murder are actually a really talented band that have been putting out solid Death Metal (not satanic metal) albums for the last 5 or 6 years, they are in no way satanic



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Keith Mohr

posted January 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm


Don’t get sad, Sad..



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Brandon Wright

posted February 23, 2010 at 11:45 pm


I know the concert has already come and gone but Rocketown hosts concerts specificly for all ages (no alcohol or drugs permitted and no fighting) and their primary goal is to provide a safe place for youth to enjoy concerts and skate etc. They are a “Christian” organization second Jesus himself hung out with prostitutes and the like we should not shun anyone based on their beliefs or actions how else would one witness? This article is a shining example of why Christians are so hated, making a mole hill into a mountain. People are well informed as to what band is playing nobody shows up to a show expecting a band to be there that they know nothing about, fans go to concerts. I suppose next your going to demand an explanation as to why bands with known christian members or “christian bands” go on tour with non-christian bands who curse flip the audience the bird and are anti-establishment anti-christian. I think this goes along with some people who are hesitant to say they are a christian because they are immediately thrown into the stereotype that this article only further proves.



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Joanne Brokaw

posted February 24, 2010 at 9:04 am


Brandon, this article did what I always do on this blog: talk about things related to Christian music and to raise topics for discussion. Hopefully you took time to read some of the other posts – like the ones talking about what kind of ministry things go on at Rocketown. It was a very valid thing to ask why a club – which outside of Nashville is known at Michael W. Smith’s Christian club – would play host to a night of that kind of music. If you live in Nashville, then you know what Rocketown is all about. If you don’t, then this was a very surprising thing.
But the good that came from this was that a lot of people learned more about what Rocketown does and about the good things that go on at the club as they reach out to the community. I for one had no idea all they did. And for the record, I’ve asked several times for someone at Rocketown to talk to me about the different ministries and outreach they have, because I”d love to share that with readers. I didn’t get any replies to emails or phone calls.
Thanks!
Joanne
host of the Gospel Soundcheck



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daisy

posted August 18, 2011 at 10:06 pm


dang. this whole thread’s gone downhill. division to the max. enemy mission accomplished looks like. unless we all grow up.

mr. mohr, i hear ya.
everybody else, i hear ya.
2 extremes. i’d say yeah, rocketown should screen bands, not to make sure it’s a Christian band but to make sure the message is positive. there’s lots of non-Christian bands with a positive message out there.

speaking life is always best. name-calling and saying rocketown’s selling out, that’s one conclusion you can make but why we gotta be so negative about all this? so they need to be more careful with the bands they choose, ok then. seriously, God can change anything. nothing’s impossible. God can turn the tables. he works things together for the good.

instead of gettin’ all heated up and typing your anger out, chill and take it to God. arguing and debating over all this means nothing unless you’re part of the solution. if you’re not part of the solution, there’s no point in engaging in this…might as well be gossip…unless you personally talk to the head hanchose of rocketown then it’s something you pray about and trust for God’s best in all this.
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daisy

posted August 18, 2011 at 10:13 pm


and since i don’t live in nashville anymore, i guess being a part of the solution for me is just to pray for His best in all this..

hope you all are well. i just realized all the previous posts were from last year…

take care of nashville. made lots of solid friendships there. my home away from home.

keep looking up…whoever’s reading this. :-)



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LindaSue

posted September 24, 2011 at 8:34 pm


This is the first time, second page, that I have read a blog. I will stop my hyperfocusing and go wash my car. But my heart is heavy because I know that too many people think Keith Mohr represents Christ. I’m not going to go back and read the intro Joanne gave, for inviting him to this place, but his comments did more than make me sad. They make me ashamed. I am a christian who has had difficulty letting her light shine because of the darkness that christians have created.
I will thank God, while I am washing my car, that this is God’s world, and that God has a plan that I cannot forsee. I can only trust. Those of you who are reading and wondering, not sure yet if Jesus is worthy of following…please do not be led astray by the words of Keith Mohr.
Jesus never spoke that way. Jesus is the true source of love and light. and beware of those who would claim to be christian…the Bible also has a record of saying …I never knew you.
by their fruit, you shall know them.



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Bunny

posted November 8, 2011 at 10:13 pm


I used to go to Rocketown all the time. Now, barely anybody goes because we fear persecution and we always know our favorite bands are going to get banned or kicked out. If you people actually took the time to talk to these people in these bands, they don’t believe in all the “devil worship” sutff you all are claiming they believe in. It’s all for show. It’s all shock value. It’s not so much talking about killing Christ as it is talking about the destruction of religion’s control over everything and everyone. It’s advocating for individuality and choosing your own path instead of the one society is forcing on you. They aren’t trying to be disrespectful. A lot of these guys are actually way tolerant of all religions, regardless of beliefs. It’s stuff like this that is making Rocketown change into the kind of venue that kids steer clear of. Teens I hang out with are avoiding Rocketown like the plague because of how ignorant and closed-minded they are becoming. Not every kid that walks into that venue is Chrsitan. Not every band out there is Christian. Their lyrics have deeper meaning than what they appear as. That’s what’s so great about music. It’s not as blunt as you think it is. Rocketown was once our safe haven to escape the persecution and judgement of ignorant people and an ignorant society, but now it seems that even our sanctuary is beginning to turn against the very people it was built to shelter and save. Thanks for taking away the one safe place we had. We can go to Mercy Lounge and The Muse, yeah, but a lot of parents won’t let their kids go because they have bars (they close them for all ages shows, but parents are still skeptical), so some of us miss out on our favorite bands when they are in town. How does it feel to crush the hopes of a kid looking for their place in the world? How does it feel to know that you are taking their business away by backing them into a corner by judging them on the people they let in? And this is the most important question of all: how is it going to look when everybody begins to wonder, “Why has Rocketown turned into such a strict and ignorant facility comes?” When that day comes, the finger will be pointed at sites like this. Rocketown did nothing wrong by letting those kinds of bands play. They were making kids happy, and they were giving us a better environment to see these bands in.



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Donna

posted March 23, 2012 at 9:29 pm


I certainly do not agree with having rock bands that are satanic being in a supposedly Christian setting. Our kids need to hear the Gospel not just to be entertained. I don’t agree either with Christian scream, there is nothing Christian about it except perhaps the words and you can’t hear them. Lets glorify the LORD, not bring dishonor to His Precious Name



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I love the Lord :)

posted June 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm


This is a very unfortunate story. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in the teachings found throughout the bible and the one that stands out to me the most is that good and evil cannot mix. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot be fully committed to God and at the same time dwell with evil. We are to hate evil and flee from it. As far as the messages these bands are putting forth being ‘for show’ why not show something a bit more positive? Not EVERYONE who may follow these bands may have the strength to ‘understand’ it is ‘for show’. ULTIMATELY the club owner should do some re-evaluating. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. It’s not about judging. This battle is not with flesh and blood. Prayer is needed. Pray for these souls. GOD is able to deliver all who WANT AND ACCEPT His deliverance.



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