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“Would it be an inviolate ignominy if my consubstantial oblation were suffused?”

— Fr. Scott Hurd, on his Facebook page.
Priceless. If you don’t get it, you will.  Eventually.
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posted August 22, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Rather then ridicule the new (and more accurate) translation of the Roman Missal, this priest might consider teaching his congregation about the parts of the Roman Catholic Mass, (Collects, Propers, Ordinary, the Eucharistic prayers), Latin, liturgical language and the impotance of reverence before almighty God.

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Mike L

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:08 pm

While I have to agree on the teaching part I do not agree that the new translations are more accurate, only that they are more literal. Literal translations can lead to some horrific problems in understanding and terrible grammar in the new language. A great example is the literal (very close to the original meaning) of some of the instructions that came with Japanese and Chinese products.
Mike L

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Civitas Occiduus

posted August 22, 2010 at 5:19 pm

Deacon Greg or anyone else that would know,
Who writes the script for the Liturgy, particularly the opening and closing prayers? I rarely ever remember the Opening Prayer at the beginning of Mass, but today I *thought* I heard the priest ask God to teach us how to live in this world with unending joy or teach us the values we need to live in this world in unending joy…
If that makes no sense, that’s because, again, I don’t remember the prayer. Who writes those prayers and who checks them for theological accuracy? I wasn’t aware that unending joy in this life was even possible. And I know this question seems tangential, but word choice, as I teach my students, is very important.
If we’re going to start hearing about “consubtantial oblations” being “suffused”, the pews are going to empty of everyone but the weirdos like me who like big words like that.

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posted August 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm

I would say they are more accurate. For an example the newer translation of the Creed, the moment of the Incarnation is recalled: “and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man” instead of “by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary….” The restored ‘incarnation’ is a powerful reminder that God became man at his very conception in Mary’s womb, and not nine months later. This just one example.

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posted August 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm

Perhaps the example given by Anthony above will help many in the pews and beyond understand very basic Catholic doctrine. For example, wasn’t Nancy Pelosi unable to answer the question of when Christ became incarnate? And the answer to that one is, of course, will teach her something that is very pertinent to her position on abortion. I am all for the new translation.

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Deacon Greg Kandra

posted August 23, 2010 at 10:09 am

Here’s the text from the opening prayer for the 21st Sunday in Ordinary Time:
help us to seek the values
that will bring us lasting joy
in this changing world.
In our desire for what you promise
make us one in mind and heart.
“Lasting joy” obviously is different — in meaning and inference — from “unending joy.” I wonder if the priest altered it??
I’m not sure who writes them. There is usually also an alternative opening prayer, but I was unable to find that online.
Blessings, Dcn. G.

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