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Legacy: 40 years of abortion in New York

posted by jmcgee

On a grim anniversary, the numbers are even grimmer — especially when tallied in regards to race.

Take a look at this:

Forty years ago today, New York became the first state in the US where abortion was broadly legal. Since then, New York City has become the nation’s undisputed abortion capital, with an overwhelmingly pro-choice political establishment — and an abortion rate that’s three times the national average.

And a stifling taboo on the subject that chokes off any mature discussion about what such a rate means for the public welfare.

According to the city Health Department, 2008 saw 89,469 abortions performed in New York City — seven for every 10 live births. Among black women, abortions out number live births by three to two.

And that’s just for starters. Read the rest. The implications are sobering, not just for New York, but for our nation.



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Chall8987

posted July 1, 2010 at 11:58 pm


Because I’m sure those mothers all really need additional mouths to feed during this recession. If the Catholic Church and other pro-life organizations in the city are willing to take care of every child conceived in an unplanned pregnancy, then by all means go ahead and get rid of abortion access.



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Mr Flapatap

posted July 2, 2010 at 5:56 am


Chall,
That is an old, tired argument.
– First, plenty of people are willing to adopt these kids. A friend of mine who counsels in front of abortion clinics has a list of phone numbers of people who want to adopt a baby.
– Second, many women have abortions due to pressure from the boyfriend (or husband) who wants no responsibility and not due to economic issues. I have witnessed the celebratory, victory routines performed by boyfriends after they drop their girlfriends at the clinic for the abortion. Yeah, they come in with long faces making her think that they support them and then walk outside with a grin while she is inside undergoing the abortion. I have also seen the men putting pressure on the women to abort when they don’t want to. Liberating? HAH!
– Third, after the initial surprise, many parents find ways to care for their kids. Even parents who want kids and would never consider an abortion go through initial shock. It’s natural, we don’t like change. The industry pushes these women before reality can set in so that they can make money (which many politicians will later share).
– Fourth, there are tons of help for women who decide to keep their babies. That’s the little secret that abortion business and their lapdog politicians have been trying to hide in their wars against crisis pregnancy centers.



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Klaire

posted July 2, 2010 at 7:43 am


Chall as Mr. Flaptrap pointed out, “This offer has already been made.”
Not only is all that Mr. F write true and current, both Mother Theresa and I believe Cardinal O’Connor both said, “I/We will take any baby you are planning to abort.”
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to adopt an American baby? Black or white, these babies would be welcomed into good homes in a blink of an eye.
One again, we see the evidence of “black genocide”, promoted by none other than planned parenthood and our own government, and now sadly our own public schools which promote childhood sex and the “end all” of condoms.
An interesting back story to the NYC abortion mills. After 911, not ONE abortion was performed in NYC for over a week.



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Mere Catholic

posted July 2, 2010 at 10:26 am


“If the Catholic Church and other pro-life organizations in the city are willing to take care of every child conceived in an unplanned pregnancy, then by all means go ahead and get rid of abortion access”
Chall, this is what Cardinal O’Connor, the saintly Former Archbishop of New York publicly declared in Oct 1984: “…any woman, of any religion, of any color, race or ethnic background from anywhere, who is pregnant and without funds can come to New York, and the church will make every effort to arrange for her medical expenses, hospitalization and other needs. If she wishes to keep her baby she will be welcome to do so; if she wishes to give the baby for adoption, she will be equally welcome.”
This public declaration was reported in no local or national newspapers. There are prolife centers in New York City that will arrange medical care, rent assistance, and other material help during and after pregnancy. The religious order that the good Cardinal founded, the Sisters of Life (www.sistersoflife.org), provide shelter for pregnant women and journey with them during their pregnancies and up to however long the women need help. Women who are pregnant and facing poverty deserve better answers than abortion. It is a sad world when a culture says that the only certain children worth being born (and by extension that only certain women are worth giving birth).



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Mike L

posted July 2, 2010 at 11:12 am


As I read this a few thoughts ran through my mind. I know how difficult it is to adopt these babies, or any other baby in this country, my daughter adopted one. The hoops she had to jump through where bad enough, but the cost was out of this world. It seems to me that the definition of a good home is “rich”.
The other day I asked our deacon, who does most of the marriage counseling in our parish and would be involved with anyone that he knew was thinking of an abortion where he would send them in our diocese if they needed that kind of support, and the best he could do would be talk to the parents, he knew of no where a young women could go that would support her. Doing a search we did find one Catholic facility that might take in such a person, but no one at Family Life knew if they were still active. We did find a protestant facility that would help find housing and would give counseling and would not support abortion. Perhaps New York is unique, but my own observations do not support your claim of Catholic support.
And finally, could someone tell me how many young ladies responded to Cardinal O’Connor’s offer and how many were accepted. I would be very interested in such numbers. I have heard such claims from many in different places, but seldom if ever have I heard any numbers to back them up.



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Angelstarspeaks

posted July 2, 2010 at 11:45 am


Until We have enough “LOVE” to give our “UNBORN CHILDREN” , so they (children) DO NOT PERISH; WE WILL NEVER have enough LOVE to give to the WORLD, to the CHILDREN WE SELECT to be BORN.
It starts in OUR HEARTS, with the LOVE of OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, and HIS COMMANDMENTS. And it is also in BELIEVING our BODIES are TEMPLES, (HOMES) for OUR SACRED SPIRIT, HE THAT LIVES IN US, OUR BODIES ARE SACRED to RECEIVE OUR HEAVENLY SPIRIT. “LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION” this is a simple biological truth. Life must be revered!
When we BELIEVE GOD, and OUR BABIES, are SACRED, that LIFE IS SACRED, BELIEVE OUR LORD IS SACRED and has a REASON, for EACH ONE of HIS LITTLEST SPIRITS to VISIT the EARTH.
When we choose only to ABORT OUR CHILDREN, then we leave OUR EVIL SPIRITS to SURVIVE, OUR GREED, OUR HATRED, OUR UGLINESS, and ALL THAT FOLLOWS, COMES WITH IT. We MUST BEND down on OUR KNEES, and ASK GOD for OUR FORGIVENESS, and SEEK HIS HOLINESS, and RESPECT LIFE.
“The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground” (Gen 4:10). The Eighth commandment of God 8. “Thou shalt not kill.”



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pagansister

posted July 2, 2010 at 11:45 am


Ultimately it is the woman who decides whether to continue a pregnancy or not…makes no difference what the color or age of that woman. Sure, the boyfriend/husband may push for one…however it is still the woman who will be the final decision maker…it is her body. Prevention of pregnancy…all kinds of prevention methods…is the best way to prevent a possible abortion, however “stuff” happens. When it does, and the woman doesn’t want a child, alternatives should be offered to an abortion, however as I have said, it is still HER decision.



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Angelstarspeaks

posted July 2, 2010 at 11:47 am


My Sacred Heart Bleeds, and My Holy Tears are Rivers….
For this I must speak…..I must speak out loud to each and every one of you…..You Must Pray….Pray with all of your Heart, and all of Your Mind, Pray when the thought of Prayer comes into your mind…
Be Aware Please….For All of our Lost Children….Our Lost Souls, for All of OUR Lost Babies ……..for the very Children you are destroying, are the very CHILDREN YOU WILL NEED!
We are all like Beautiful Flowers, seedlings waiting to be nourished….into Mother Earth….water and nourish, and feed with all of your heart, for your Heart has Great Love, and Love is the Nourishment of our very Souls….
Hatred of our Mistakes is not reason to Abort….Hatred of our Life is not Reason for Revenge…Hatred of our Souls, is not Reason for the spread of this Virus…..For Hatred is the Real Virus which has fallen upon Mother Earth……
Pray my Dear Children, All of us…Pray….Ask our Heavenly Father for His Forgiveness Now….Ask Our Heavenly Father to Bless Us All….Family, and Friend, Neighbor and Aquaintance…..with fear comes to us, when the time draws near….pray for our Children that we have Lost…Pray for our Children that we have not nourished, Pray for our Children and Nourish them with Gods Love……for these are the little seedlings that will grow…which do you choose, flower or weeds?
Weeds take over….and great fear to us that create the weeds….



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Samian

posted July 2, 2010 at 1:31 pm


Yet according to the CDC.gov’s official website (see page 29 on the link) on birth rates by race show that Blacks in the US have had a higher Birth Rate than Whites for every single year since 1965 (when complete data was first available).
The latest data on the studies state that in 2006, the birth rate for Blacks was 16.8 but was 13.7 for Whites.
So you don’t have any substantial basis to claim that abortion is leading to a lower birth rate for racial minorities. In fact, the data proves the opposite.
>> The implications are sobering, not just for New York, but for our nation.



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wineinthewater

posted July 2, 2010 at 6:46 pm


Samian,
Because the numbers in the report are for birth rates, not pregnancy rates. So the report only has part of the data set and so only tells part of the story. Abortion is not leading to a lower birth rate among black women than among white women, it is leading to a lower birth rate among black women than it would otherwise have been. Black women are both having more children and aborting more children than white women.



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klm

posted July 2, 2010 at 11:15 pm


89000 plus in 2008. If those abortions hadn’t been performed who would be taking care of all those 2 year olds? I not saying I’m for or against, but seriously who would be responsible for their care? Some could be adopted, but what of the rest? Just something to think about



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cathyf

posted July 3, 2010 at 12:02 am


Especially during the recession, wouldn’t it be more efficient to give birth to the babies, fatten them up, and sell them for food? Just a modest proposal you know…



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Panthera

posted July 3, 2010 at 6:23 am


It’s all a matter of priorities.
Here is what things look like from my perspective – a married, gay, liberal Christian:
– Although my family foundation has been able to finance nearly 20 adoptions so far this year, the tremendous hurdles which adoptive parents face in the US are beyond belief. They must have the experience and financial security of people in their seventies (best, if they’ve already raised two children who are now both medical doctors and noble prize candidates) while, at the same time, being somewhere between 25 and 25 1/2 years of age. Not older.
– They can’t be gay or lesbian. They can’t be too overtly religious nor may they be too overtly a-religious. If their moral conscious caused them to object to the bush-the-lesser disaster, then they are too political. If they never went beyond high-school, then they are too disinterested.
I could expand the list nearly indefinitely but anyone here who has actually invested time in this matter could already recite it by heart.
This is an area where we all could work together.
The Catholic church, together with the LDS and other extremely conservative Christians invested over 85 million dollars in stripping citizens of California of their Constitutional rights. If that much money is available for taking away civil rights from gays, then surely, when abortion is a far more serious matter, money should be no object? I’m serious, so please don’t start a flame war here – what is the moral justification for this? Even 1% of that money could have gone to making the offer of not only the New York, but all bishoprics public on helping women avoid abortion.
I’m serious – again, please don’t flame, explain.
There are several aspects of the culture wars upon which the Catholic church and liberal Christians are nominally in agreement. Torture is forbidden and abhorrent to all Christians…except when bush-the-lesser did it, then an enormous number of conservative Christians thought it was a good thing.
The death penalty is not viewed kindly by Catholics…outside of the conservative American Catholics, who support it wildly.
I’d publish the Vatican’s position on the treatment of refugees and immigrants, but Deacon Kandra would have to close this thread down at once – nobody would believe me.
I won’t even open the health care debate.
This is how things appear to me, a liberal Christian. Again, I put my money where my mouth is and try hard to reduce abortions.



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Panthera

posted July 3, 2010 at 8:53 am


Cathyf,
When they come to burn you at the stake, I’ll ride by on my broke-back horse and recluse you to an era of greater sanity. Wouldn’t be hard. Rome under Caligula saw more logic applied to matters of state.
One might almost speak of common horse sense.



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klm

posted July 3, 2010 at 3:52 pm


that 89,000 was only NYC! think of the states count, all the states count of abortion. Howmany since 2008? The adoption hurdles are too many, and expensive! It shouldn’t be this way. I understand the need for caution when placing children, but it seems agencies want upper middle class, overly educated white bread suburban families to place these children when many more people would be willing then gets approved.
Now the counts of the # of abortions throughout the state in 2 years. how many? Does anyone know? How many children would that have been. Thats alot of adoptions. Even if it were an easier process I don’t think that many would be wanted. so I don’t know what’s a better alternative. Aborted unwanted pregancies or warehousing children. It’s a dilema.
[With all due respect, klm...it's not really a dilemma. It's a simple choice between life and death. Dcn. G.]



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Rick

posted July 4, 2010 at 5:48 pm


I have no idea how much money the Catholic Church spends helping pregnant and unmarried mothers. In my diocese, Peoria, Catholic Charities provides free pregnancy testing, free counseling services, a maternity home where low-income pregnant women can go to receive assistance and healthcare (no charge and no pressure to make an adoption plan), and free counseling services to any individual or family requesting them–regardless of faith. Several of the Catholic and evangelical Church provide post-birth support groups for low-income, married and unmarried mothers, and assistance with food and rent. The Catholic and Evangelical Churches in my area worked together to open a free clinic for pregnant women.
In the Diocese of Peoria, and I’m pretty sure we’re not unusual, the Church provides an extensive network of services for low-income, married and unmarried, Catholic and non-Catholic families. The community depends on the generosity of the churches (particularly the Catholic and Lutheran Churches) to maintain the social safety net.



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posted August 8, 2010 at 6:55 am


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