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Planned Parenthood: treat 10-year-olds as”sexual beings”

posted by jmcgee

Um, yeah.

That seems to be just one radical idea behind this report:

A new report by the International Planned Parenthood Federation is advocating that children as young as 10 be given extensive sex education, including an awareness of sex’s pleasures.

The report, “Stand and Deliver,” charges that religious groups, specifically Catholics and Muslims, deny their young access to comprehensive sexual programs and education.

“Young people’s sexuality is still contentious for many religious institutions. Fundamentalist and other religious groups — the Catholic Church and madrasas (Islamic Schools) for example — have imposed tremendous barriers that prevent young people, particularly, from obtaining information and services related to sex and reproduction. Currently, many religious teachings deny the pleasurable and positive aspects of sex.” the report states.

The report demands that children 10 and older be given a “comprehensive sexuality education” by governments, aid organizations and other groups, and that young people should be seen as “sexual beings.”

You can read more here. And you can read the entire report at this link.



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Dana MacKenzie

posted February 8, 2010 at 10:43 pm


WEll that made me feel like I could throw up. I guess that’s because I’m an uptight Catholic. Assholes.



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kenneth

posted February 9, 2010 at 1:42 am


From the moment any human is old enough to realize that certain body parts are different from others (and from their peers), they are “sexual beings.” Doesn’t mean they’re ready for sexual interaction, but I don’t see how enforced ignorance encourages virtue. I lieu of comprehensive education, we could just leave them to learn from the Internet, their peers, Hollywood and pop culture marketing. I’m sure they’ll offer accurate and unbiased information in the best interest of the kid.



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Mr Flapatap

posted February 9, 2010 at 6:22 am


Kenneth,
One thing is education, which parents are well capable of doing very well without PP propaganda. All PP is doing is procuring future business selling (whether the user or government grants pay for them is still their business) contraception and abortions.
I went to Catholic schools and I learned everything about sexuality, what contraceptives are, and how they work. However, the science was taught without ignoring the ethical and moral issues.



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Sarcasman

posted February 9, 2010 at 8:56 am


I’m with Kenneth. What kind of backward person wouldn’t want an elementary school teacher like Mr. Smith teaching his ten year old daughter all about how good it would feel if he put his…
Yeah, on second thought, I’m not.



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it figures

posted February 9, 2010 at 9:09 am


Just one more example of the extreme liberal organizations trying to take away your right to raise your own children, and give it to the government.
Twenty years ago these people would have been jailed for pedophilia; now they are legislating pedophilia for everyone, and you better participate or they will take your children away, and re-educate them for you.
I wonder what’s on the hidden computer files in the office.



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DML

posted February 9, 2010 at 10:05 am


The IPP report deals with reproductive issues in the third world, not here in the US. Here, we can pay lip service to religious stipulations on reproductive issues, but the most of us are smart enough to wear a condom, chose to have two children when we wish, and as many children as we can responsibly take care of. If you have less than one child for every two years of marriage, then please refrain from making any negative comments on this matter.
Its different in our former colonies, those we conquered who now practice our religion. Pregnancy comes early, whether married or not, sex education would simply be too late to start any later. The IPP report elaborates on the fact that young girls really don’t have a choice in the matter, rape would accurately describe their predicament. It is inaccurate to accuse them of some sort of moral weakness, especially when considered in the context of the poverty.
Even once married, religious institutions actively seek to block the availability of contraceptives for those who seek them in our former colonies. On the other hand, they remain silent on the rights of girls and women and ignore the difficult realities that surround them.
In case anyone thinks that these problems are only recent a product of liberal ‘cultural imperialism’, think again. Imperialism set up shop a long time ago, the cross and the sword. These countries make for interesting laboratories for studying the effects of religious fundamentalism on a people.



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Mr. E Allen

posted February 9, 2010 at 10:06 am


Does it make me a bad person if I don’t think 10-year-old children should learn about sex. All teaching them about sex is going to do is plant the seed in their mind that pre-marital sex is ok. Where are we going with our youth?



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Franklin Jennings

posted February 9, 2010 at 12:05 pm


“Here, we can pay lip service to religious stipulations on reproductive issues, but the most of us are smart enough to wear a condom, chose to have two children when we wish, and as many children as we can responsibly take care of. If you have less than one child for every two years of marriage, then please refrain from making any negative comments on this matter.”
DML,
Why should I listen to you bloviate on the topic, much less take seriously your request that I not make a negative comment? My wife and I use no form of contraceptive, artifical or otherwise, and in 2.5 years of marriage so far, the Good Lord has not chosen to bless us with progeny.
I have a request of my own, try fitting that condom somewhere smarter, like over your head.



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Appalachian Prof

posted February 9, 2010 at 12:31 pm


DML, you seem to be making the argument that girls and women have little to no power over their lives in former colonial states. I agree with you. You seem to indicate that it is your impression that much sexual interaction is coerced. You may be quite correct on this. But if that is indeed so, will the availability of condoms make any difference? Really, if a man is so brutal that he’s going to rape a girl, do you think he’s going to stop to put a condom on? Do you advocate putting young girls on the pill, filling their bodies with hormones that will harm them and further pollute their environment?
Until the post-colonial societies of which you speak have decent education and the rule of law, the discussion about some young girl having access to (which often means, “being pressured/forced to” use) contraception, whether in barrier, chemical or hormonal form, is pointless.
What those girls (and boys) need is PROTECTION from predatory adults. And very often it is a religious body that provides both education and shelter from those harsh cultural realities, many of them dating back to the pre-colonial era, which was probably even worse.
Yes, children are sexual beings. That does not mean that they should be SEXUALIZED beings. They have a RIGHT to childhood, and a right to innocence.
Organizations like PP do not protect children. They relentlessly enable their exploitation.



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Connie

posted February 9, 2010 at 1:21 pm


I can appreciate why this story might be upsetting especially when it is presented with this kind of slant. But come on people do you not fact check anything? I never take anything that is said by either side without fact checking. Because otherwise it would make me crazy. Which apparently there are a few that are crazy. Sorry but true. If you had fact checked you would find that neither President Obama or congress agree with what this person has written because it is simply not 100% true. They do agree, as I do, that children should be taught “age appropriate” sex education. But regardless of what legislation comes out of all this it will be ultimately left up to the each state school district & parents to decide what they would consider age appropriate for their school. So nothing is being pushes on anyone. So I wouldn’t worry about that Planned Parenthood stuff that will not have an effect on the US anyway…
So, just get a grip people and quit passing around stuff that fans an unnecessary fire.



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ds0490

posted February 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm


Hmmm…educating ten year olds about sex?
I guess it only makes sense if they are altar boys in a Catholic church.



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Franklin Jennings

posted February 9, 2010 at 3:07 pm


Connie,
There may or may not be crazy people in the world, but I believe it is a mark of stupidity to fact check claims that weren’t made anywhere. And since I can’t find reference to Obama or Democrats in general in any of the linked peices, it stands to reason you are…
I also believe it is a mark of petty, small-minded parochialism to object to anyone having strong feelings about events occurring outside their own nation. And since you do seem to object to just such positions, it stands to reason you are…
Have a blessed day!!! :-)



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DML

posted February 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm


O.k. Franklin, you are excepted. But what should a family with 8 children living in a slum do though? I have seen many of these hard cases myself; no one ever seems to publicize these as spiritually uplifting accounts of pro-natalist faith in action. Would it be permissible for them to stop having any more children should they decide to remain intimate? Should they not be entitled to condoms or the pill if they wish to use them?
Responsible parents should have a say in what their children can and can’t do and in the third world, parents are the only thing that stands between a child and the abyss. UNFPA, IPP and a host of NGOs are trying protect the many children who don’t have that support. It is an open secret that Catholic Relief Service people think in much the same way that I do.
As to adults, and espescially married adults with children, it seems straightforward that contraceptives should be both a right and attainable.
And yes Appalacian Prof, I agree that other things are lacking in the third world and things often were not peachy prior to colonial enterprise. The situation remains bad though. I also agree that older non-teenage men are often the perpetrators and care nothing for their victims, contraceptive availability is not the solution in these instances. Part of the IPP report deals with the effort to empower girls and women, that speaks to this issue. Also, as Connie pointed out, age-appropriate sex education would be a good thing. Sounds entirely reasonable.
Enforceable protections for children would be a good idea and we know that adherence to the rule of law would be nice but likely untenable. It is astonishing how predators often operate with complete impunity in the third world. The syndicates that exploit these children often set up shop at the church door step, hoping to evoke at least some pity and alms from better-off parishioners as they gather for mass.
Education is key to making systemic improvements, but Church run educational oppurtunities (and government-backed ones too) are typically in short supply. Just like here, parochial education is expensive and largely serves as an incubator for the country’s future oligarchs.



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Franklin Jennings

posted February 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm


DML,
I was about to type out responses to each of your queries, and so began categorizing them when an astonishing pattern emerged…
Do you have any interests in life, at all, besides consequence free sex?



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DML

posted February 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm


Franklin,
I don’t hold consequence free sex in high regard, and believe it or not, I think everyone should wait until they are married to start. If they can’t wait though, why force them to face some rather dreadful consequences (HIV or having a child at 15). Seems cruel to me.
And again I ask, what sort of advice would you give to an impoverished family with 8 children who wishes to have no more?



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Franklin Jennings

posted February 9, 2010 at 5:27 pm


DML,
No one is advocating forcing anyone to do anything. You’ve gotten a lot of milage out of that red herring cum hobby horse.
As for your final question, I find it difficult to believe a parent of 8 children doesnt know what’s causing it, even if their parents neglected to tell them in adolescence.



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DML

posted February 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm


Franklin,
Blocking the availability of contraceptives in our former colonies is a type of ‘force’, same as outlawing them. The pill runs about ~$1 day in a particular third world country I used to live in. Median per capita earnings run ~$2/day. When USAID subsides were eliminated by the previous administration, the pill ceased to be affordable.
As to the 8 child family…
They and everyone else knows the source of their many children, that is not the issue. What should they do about their predicament? Forgo intimacy? Have a 9th child? Go on the pill? Get a tubal ligation?



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Franklin Jennings

posted February 10, 2010 at 12:26 pm


1st, I, nor my nation, have never possessed a colony, so there simply is no such thing as ‘our’ former colonies.
2nd, my refusal to subsidise your purchases in no way constitutes force, much less an active blockade of your desired purchases.
3rd, unlike you and every other condescending bigot who thinks he knows what’s best for poor brown and yellow people, I have no opinion beyond “they should form themselves tot he teachings of Christ’s Church and then follow their conscience.”
So what do you think they ought to do, since you know best?



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