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Conversations with God


God and Misery

How can God stand by and let terrible things happen to wonderful people—to say nothing of little children? Where is God when misery visits the earth?
This is a question that I hear many, many times in my travels. It is a question that I received again yesterday at Ask Neale, which is a member feature in the Messenger’s Circle on my personal website (www.ndwHome.com). As I was composing my answer to this person I said to myself, “I really should post this on the Beliefnet blog. The whole Class there should jump in and answer this one. This is a perfect question for the Class.
Here’s the question…


Hi Neale, I just want to start by saying thanks so much for your recent replies to my questions. Now I have this question burning me up and i need an answer.
Last My wife and I were watching the news about John Walsch’s son and how this crazy men decapitated little boy. Our question was where is god when an innocent kid is being tortured and killed like this. How can God which is everywhere and sees everything can watch someting like this and not do anything to stop it???
I am shocked to hear the same answer all over again “Free Will” what a fairy tail we have been fed all this years. So Neale is there realy GOD out there? And what is the point of all this? IS GOD playing a some kind of a grand game? Again thanks for your answer in advance.
The Txxxxx Family

Here is the reply I posted in the Messenger’s Circle this morning…
My dear friend…you are asking a version of the same question that has been asked by all of Humanity since the beginning of time. If there is a God, why does He permit “bad things”?
It is important to understand that this question could only exist if you imagined God to be separate from us. If, on the other hand, you conceptualize God as That Which Is ONE with US…then the question as you have asked it goes away, and another question advances itself…
“Why am I creating this?” Or, perhaps, “Why am I co-creating this with another?”
In my own life I have actually stopped asking this. It is the question the answer to which has very little value to me. I have stopped asking the question “Why?” and begun asking the question, “What?”
In other words, not “Why is this happening?” but…”What do I want to make of this? What do I want to create for me, individually, out of what I have co-created with others?”
You see, my friend…your question presumes an awfully dangerous thing. Your question about Mr. Walsh’s young child’s death presumes that you had not nothing to do with it.
Such a presumption is dangerous precisely because it allows you to make judgments.It allows you to step aside from the event and to experience it as an observer, rather than to step into the event and experience it as a participant (in the sense of being its co-creator).
This, of course, is the trouble with all the world. We are all standing around looking at all that is happening to our world and in our world and pretending that we have nothing to do with it. It is not we who are creating global warming. It is not we who are creating starving children. It is not we who are creating massacre in Darfur. It is not we who are creating the oppression of minorities and women. It is not we who are creating the economic meltdown. We are doing nothing. We are doing nothing! WE ARE DOING NOTHING! All of this is happening TO us, not THROUGH us!
We are not responsible! We are not. WE ARE NOT!
And so it goes, while the world goes to hell.
Now, you might ask, how in the world can I be blamed for something as heinous as the decapitation by a madman of John Walsh’s child?
That is a good question. And until all of humanity knows the answer to that, all of humanity will never be healed.
There is an answer, however. Do not think that there is no answer…or that Conversations with God has not already given it. It has.
So, class…read the material, and then, bring me the answer here.
I could simply provide the answer, but it has already been given in the material. Read Conversations with God. Read it over and over again. Read it until you have it memorized.
My desire here, as well as in this Ask Neale section of the Messenger’s Circle on my website, is to interpret the CwG material, not to repeat it…
Now, if you have searched and searched the material and really can’t find the answer, write to me in a few weeks and I will answer you directly.
So let this be a fun research project. Tell you what. The first person to post the answer here gets an autographed copy of the latest CwG book, Happier Than God, sent right to their door!



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Tom Stopyra

posted December 19, 2008 at 4:21 pm


The following question is asked on page 29 of CWG Book 1:
“If God is all-perfect and all-loving why would God create pestilence and famine, war and disease, earthquakes and tornados and hurricanes and all manner of natural disaster, deep personal disappointmnet and worldwide calamity?”
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Kavana

posted December 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm


God isn’t doing anything about it because we aren’t. Because we are (part of) god, God cant do anything about it unless we step up. as long as the part of us that contributes to the “bad” things effort/energy wise is bigger then the part that is trying to make it go the way we actually want it is not going to change direction. It doesn’t mean that it isn’t frustrating the hell out of me looking at the world and seeing everything that is happening that i thing shouldn’t.
-Kavana (I hope it makes sense)



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Janel

posted December 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm


CWG has made me stop and think to about what instead of why. It makes life alot easier when you stop being the victim and start being the creater, the survivor, the one in control of the outcome if a situation regardless of how bad it may be.
For xmas I am giving copies of cwg and the shack. Both sets of books are something that I need we all need to read. CWG for the skills and The Shack for the compassion and sense of hope.
I wish you all happy holidays!



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Teja

posted December 19, 2008 at 7:51 pm


Answer is simple: we (God) are not our body but soul.
If anything bad is happening to our body it doesn’t mean it’s the same experience for soul – real us. It means, we can see love everywhere and we should not relate ourselves with our body. When we know, we are not our body, we know, we are creating everything and that everything is happening through us.
Because God is one, we are all creating it together. We can see that in creation – matter, too – all roots go to earth. Everything is God. Our personality is just one thing in creation, it’s limited, but our soul has no limits.
We must reach out of our personality to see God and of course accept it as it is, seeing what any occasion has to offer to us in spiritual sense of who we really are. Expand our mind, being aware of life, not limiting it.
Where can I find this on CWG material? To me the answer lies in story about Little Soul and the Sun. It tells us what we are here to experience and that there is no question about good and bad, karma, which doesn’t exist. But for freeing from body or thinking we are body, doing good karma can help, but you still have to be detached from karma in your mind and thinking only inward instead of outward.
There is a conversation with you and God which talks how you experienced, how you saw two different rainy days that You offered to you, I think it is in CWG 3. In one you were free, in other you weren’t cause you were about to make impression on someone for your job, I think.
Our spirit must be clear from thoughts in order for us to be happy.
Hope this make sense.
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...being here, doing this...

posted December 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm


I remember being told as a youngster growing up with a Catholic education, that all answers are contained in the bible. The role of the priest, in delivering their sermon, was to interpret the bible, not just quote it. Their advice in response to any questions was to read the bible. Read it over and over again. Read it until you have it memorized.
When I asked them what they thought about the Anglican perspective on the matter…they repeated the same answer, but with a slight twist. “Read the Catholic bible. This is a Catholic Church. We only teach Catholicism here.”
With the kind permission of the teacher, I’d like to introduce a guest speaker to this classy Class to share another heartfelt and enlightening perspective that complements the wisdom of books, enriches our understanding…and prompts the heart to FEEL the answer directly.
Books can be memorized, quoted and interpreted. This process can serve to educate the mind. But if the words contained within are not FELT deeply by the heart, one might as well use them as pillows.
Let us not just read, let us not just pray, let us also FEEL…and allow ourselves to respond, not just in words from the head, but also in love and compassion from the heart…
How can God which is everywhere and sees everything can watch someting like this and not do anything to stop it???
is there realy GOD out there? And what is the point of all this? IS GOD playing a some kind of a grand game?
The Txxxxx Family

Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu (from “When God Smiles” ): “The images that we have of God are odd because God – this omnipotent one – is actually weak. As a parent I understand this. You watch your child going wrong and there’s not very much you can do to stop them. You have tried to teach them what is right, but now it is their life and they are mucking it up. There are many moments when you cry for your child, and that’s exactly what happens with God. All of us are God’s children.
I frequently say, I’m so glad I’m not God! Can you imagine having to say, “Bin Laden is my child. Saddam Hussein is my child. George Bush is my child.” Oh! All of them, including me. Can you imagine what God must have felt watching the Holocaust? Watching Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Watching Rwanda? Can you imagine God watching Darfur? Imagine God watching Iraq and saying, “These are my children here, and they are killing my other children. And I can’t do anything because I have said to them, ‘I give you the space to be you and that space enables you to make choices. And I can’t stop you when you make the wrong choices. All I can do is sit here and cry.'”
And God cries until God sees beautiful people who care, even if they may not do earth-shattering things.
There is a fantastic story of a so-called colored woman who was driven from her home and ostracized by her family because she had HIV/AIDS. She came to live in a home for people who suffered from the disease, and there were white men there who would help her because she couldn’t do anything herself. She was all skin and bones. They would carry her like a baby and wash her, bathe her, feed her. Then they would put her in front of a television set and hold her. And this was during the apartheid years. I visited this home and said, “What an incredible lesson in loving and compassion and caring.” It was transfiguring something ugly, letting something beautiful come from a death-making disease. When God sees that, a smile breaks forth on God’s face and God smiles through the tears. It’s like when the sun shines through the rain. The world may never know about these little transfigurations, but these little acts of love are potent. They are moving our universe so that it will become the kind of place God wants it to be. And so, yes, you wipe the tears from God’s eyes. And God smiles.”
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Deb Reilly

posted December 19, 2008 at 9:56 pm


Dear, darling BHDT,
Thank you. I love you. I’m typing through tears. Thank you. I love you.
Deb



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Your Name

posted December 19, 2008 at 10:03 pm


We create our world out of our thoughts – fear based thoughts create a world we claim to despise, yet we continue to think out of fear. “We can not know that which we are not”. If we wish to know pure love we must think pure love, not our mistaken notions about love which we stubbornly hold to; notions that love is power, craving, clinging and grasping. We create that which we “think” we wish to experience. Only when we change our thoughts will we change our experience. Only when we remember that we are the creators of those thoughts will we change them.



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kawaii91

posted December 19, 2008 at 10:36 pm


Many people have asked me the same thing and a didin’t know how to answer. I knew the answer back then but there were so many things that whirl in my head in that moment that I could not express them all (I have never been an eloquent person.). And that just frustrated me: how could them be so self-centered? So egotisticals that they fell on deaf ears and got blind in front of an awful reality, because they didn’t want to commit with it and admit they are part of the problem because in that way they would be obliged to actuate and being part of the solution. But no! Everyone choose to do nothing (many people think that doesn’t concern them). They prefer living for themselves and for anybody else. People are very isolated, separated. They forgot the “we are all one”, they forgot their brotherhood.
Well, I think I went about the bush.
And now that I have taken a look of this seven comments over here, I feel a little embarrassed because of my answers (they are too…mm, teenager stuff?).
Whatever, (lo que sea)
Mr. Obama, my cat, sends greetings. =3
Bye bye Mr. “divine inspiration” x3



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Sharon Wilson

posted December 19, 2008 at 11:04 pm


How can God which is everywhere and sees everything can watch someting like this and not do anything to stop it??? We’ve all asked ourselves this question over and over when we hear, see or feel something sad and tragic. Their are many, many musings and ponderings but at the end of the day there is no right answer or belief system.



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Fabric

posted December 19, 2008 at 11:31 pm


We have forgotten that our creation stems from our thoughts. As long as we continue to create our reality out of fear and our mistaken notions of love, this is what we experience. “We can not know that which we are not.” We will change our experience when we change our thoughts about God and love.



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francisco

posted December 19, 2008 at 11:31 pm


“Love Not The World”
”For the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”(I John 5:19)
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world will pass away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of The Only True GOD will abide for ever.” (I John 2:15-17)
“If you were of the world, the world would love it’s own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said unto you, the servant is not greater than his Master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.” (John 15:19-20)
“Where do wars and fighting among you come from? Do they not come of your lusts that war in your members? You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war yet you have not, because you ask not. You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts. You adulterers and adulteresses, don’t you know that friendship with the world is to be at enmity with The Only True GOD? Therefore whoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of The Only True GOD.” (James 4:1-4)
“The world cannot hate you; but the world hates Me, because I testify that the works of this world are evil.” (John 7:7)” and “The Messiah gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of The Only True God, Our Father.”(Gal 1:4)
The Messiah testified: “If the world hates you know that it hated Me before it hated you.”(John 5:18) Truly, Truly, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die it brings forth much fruit. He that loves his life in this world shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall have it unto life eternal.” (John 12:24-25)
John testified: “Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hates you.” (I John 3:13) “ James testified, “Whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD”(James 4:4)
The “earth” is The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”, he who is “the father of lies”, he who “has blinded the minds of those who believe not The Messiah”! All the nations of this world are under the dominion of, and serve, the evil one for he provides the fuel that feeds mankind’s “imag”ination, and mankind’s “imagination is destroying and perverting Creation(land, air, water, creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Faith, Simplicity, .etc.) ;-(
And the “strongest thing” in the evil one’s worldly systems? “Woman”…… yet The Truth, that which is of The Only True GOD, is stronger even than woman. (read I Esdras 3&4 of the Apocrypha) And Truth, Love, Peace, Faith, Mercy, Hope,,,etc,,, all that is “good”, is of The Only True GOD and is of HIS Spirit, not of this world. Those born of The Spirit, those born of The Only True GOD, are the brethren of The Messiah, for they received “a love of The Truth that they might be saved”. Reborn!
And those who have received “a love of The Truth” have separated themselves from this world and those of this world, for they have taken heed unto The Call of The Only True GOD to “Come out of her MY people.” They are “in, but not of this wicked, evil world”, and The Only True GOD has received them, and is “A Father unto them, and they are HIS sons and daughters”. And they follow, and desire to be like their Master and Brother, The Messiah, He Who was “the firstborn of many brethren”. And as “The Messiah was a servant of The Only True GOD”, so also His Brethren are “servants of The Only True GOD.”
The called out ones are not “adulterers and adulteresses”, they are not “friends of this wicked, evil world”, they do not “fornicate with the god of this world” for they know that “to be a friend of this world is to be the enemy of The Only True GOD.” They are at war against the evil spirits that possess those who are of this world.
And they do not “allow that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach. For she teaches others to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. The Only True GOD gave her a chance to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.” (Rev 2:20-21)
“fornication” and “adultery..” in that which is recorded above signifies spiritual fornication with “the god of this world”, which is to love that which is of his world.
Once again, the “earth” is The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”.
Those who “love this world” all serve “the god of this world”, and play their part in the processes that seek to destroy The Creation of The Only True GOD. “And The Only True GOD will destroy them who destroy the earth.” (Rev 11:18)
Global warming, polluted air, land and waters, toxic wastes, sexual perversion, evil inventions of destruction, greed, hate, carnal warfare, dis-ease ,,,etc,,, are all destructive processes that have their root in “the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life”.
And as stated, “woman is the strongest thing of this world”. Yet stronger than woman is The Truth, which is in those who have “received a love of The Truth”.
The Truth Is Alive in those who have been born of The Spirit for “they no longer love this wicked, evil world and it’s things, nor do they love their own lives in this world”.
They but seek and desire The Will of GOD, their Father and Creator, as they await their final transformation. “Corruptible to Incorruptible” ndeed and Truth!
Now “the ground was cursed for Adam’s sake” because he “hearkened unto the woman”.
Adam listened to a woman rather than obeying The Only True GOD. Yet because of Faithful Noah, The Only True GOD “no longer would curse the ground for man’s sake” because Noah obeyed The Only True GOD! (Genesis 8:21-22)
And the Faithful today are exhorted to “love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.” And Faithful women are exhorted to “be in silence.” “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. For I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” “For Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (I Timothy 2:11,12,14)
A man and woman joined together in obedience and submission unto The Only True GOD are blessed indeed. All who are not obedient, all who will not submit themselves unto The Only True GOD will have to answer to HIM..period..
Be not of those who deny and defy “The One GOD, Father of All”. Be not of those who are destroying and perverting HIS Creation(land, air, water, creatures, Light, Truth, Love, Peace, Hope, Mercy, Thankfulness, .etc.)!
Paul testified, “The Only True GOD is The HEAD of The Messiah, The Messiah is The Head of the man, and the man is the head of the woman”. Multitudes pervert GOD’s Order because they have been seduced by ” the commandments and doctrines of men and devils”.
Multitudes are seduced by the religious systems that are in and of this evil world. Seduced because they love this evil world and their own life in it!
“Set your affections on things above”. Desire heavenly, eternal things. Quit serving ‘time’ in the prison that is this world and take heed unto The Call of “The Only True GOD” to ”Come Out of her, MY people!”
Once again, “Come out” from among those who are destroying and perverting Creation and be of those who follow The Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”.
“Come out” of the worldly systems, which are the product of mankind’s “imag”ination, especially the religious systems. “Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world.” (James 1:27)
Simply, all other religions are impure, defiled and of this wicked, evil world!
Faith will not create a system of religion!
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it’s systems of religion, for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one” indeed and Truth…….
Truth is never ending……. thedestructionoftheearth.wordpress.com



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Joyouschee

posted December 20, 2008 at 12:55 am


We are given total free will. It’s either we have it or we do not have it. So God has to allow us to do anything because he (or maybe I should say we) truly love us (ourselves) unconditionally. So folks incarnating on earth get to exercise our free will and we can do anything we want. Nevertheless, we eventually learn the futility of fear-based actions and return to love. And all this while, God (we) still loves us (ourselves) and forgives (i.e. no judgement) all.



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Johannes

posted December 20, 2008 at 1:22 am


There might be another reaction to bhdt and Tutu´s offering than Deb´s.
Deb, I can feel you, so please forgive me that I´m going to throw bhdt under the bus.
Bhdt, you start out making a heal of a point, everyone sees that immediately, and you word it so thoughtfully well.
But then.
To me, Tutu ain´t helping. I (as the family, but it´s also my spontaneous reflex offering of feelings) am aghast and helpless in the face of the real BIG PAIN of the world. Now you are the therapist offering help and a different perspective. What you start doing is making me even more aghast and helpless by pulling me agitatedly toward VERY STRONG VIVID EXAMPLES OF BIG PAIN. So here I am drowning in my concept of what happened and my feelings, and you, as MY THERAPIST, offer me the spectacle of this HUGE OMNIPOTENT GOD, hands voluntarily tied to his back, with a fiercely suffering face drowning right next to me and you turn my head toward this viewpoint that I take a real awful good look. I see Goya now. I completely drown, I can´t take this.
Then, with his last exhausted powers before he drowns, in the saving second, this God raises his mighty arm, and points the other way. (Oh, see, by now I´m so consumed by the spectacle that I don´t even notice that this is Tutu doing the pointing. Somewhat understandable, since God and Desmond come basically exchangeable, which reveals a truth we are not always that clearly and sympathetically revealed: that God and I are always one.) There. Look over there. Again a scene of suffering. But loving people do their very best to alleviate and assuage the pain and offer help where they can. Yeah, some task to go, makes me meek and musing on what it is all that I still got to do. Now I should be made believe he is smiling at that? Nobody smiling to me, didn´t fool me, the ferocity in grim Iraq and all is still full on my retina. And what about when I start feeling conspicuous for not meeting up with the effort those Mother Teresa people offer? Even if I don´t go there, I gotta deal with the fact that alleviation is not taking all pain away. Sometimes damn little. You didn´t do no trick with me, sorry.
I feel with Tutu, I am very moved by him and the example of selfless service he gives and I very much sympathize with this God, that´s not it. But He adds to my damage. I don´t get to the cleansing crying, I stay in the panic and the pain.
I´m left same place.
Greetings and keep up your wonderful spirit!
And Deb, I hope you´re fine?
Johannes van der Sluijs
I´m currently working on several different contributions to earlier blog-entries, and I´m very happy with where they take me and with where I take them.
Luckily, in this one I managed to confine myself, so here it is.
When I´ve finished my unfinished business (oops, that could be in infinity), come again: if I´ve finished some of my profusely started writings I´ll return here and do my version of the story of the little soul and the sun. (I don´t have the books here, but that I remember.)
But I´ll only publish if it´s good, since it gotta be good, if anywhere then here, and I got wounds in this respect (my first contribution).



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Howard Falco

posted December 20, 2008 at 2:07 am


Hi Neale,
This is an overall response to both the question you received and the question you asked.
What you experience in each moment is always for you and only you. The point of all of it is to provide you with a space of relativity (also called “life”) for you to experience yourself and then determine who you desire to “be” in relation to the experience.
For example;
You are sitting at home and a news report comes on explaining the story of John Walsh’s son and of what happened to him. “Free will” affords you an infinite number of reactions and choices you can make as a result of this experience. How you choose to react will be a declaration to the universe (or God) of who are and what you believe to be true. From mind to matter this self-declaration will determine what you experience in your world and how you experience it. (Each moment is a moment of recreation)
You can get angry and sad and shake your fist at God in a form of ignorance that expresses that you believe this shouldn’t happen, when right in front of you it already has happened. You may demand to know why it has happened, however you won’t allow in the answer. The answer would validate that it did happen, which is something you’re trying to avoid in the first place.
Or, you can choose to accept that it has happened (This does not mean you condone it). Acceptance not only allows you to truly ask the vital and life changing question of “Why does this happen” but it also allows you to open up to finally accept the answer. From a place of acceptance you are in the most empowered place to re-create yourself anew in relation to what has happened, in the grandest version of the greatest vision you ever held about Who YOU Are. And when you do this with love and the intent to change the undesired experience, anything is possible.
Love to all,
Howard Falco



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Jim T.

posted December 20, 2008 at 3:49 am


“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” -Shakespeare
Everything happens in our consciousness, not to our bodies or our planet. Our consciousness is the infinite Mind we call God. “Bad” things happen when we believe our own egos and think we are separate from God. “Good” things happen when we realize we are never separate from our Source.
We pass judgment on events and experiences and classify them as good and bad when we think we are mortal individuals subject to outside forces. When we are aware of our oneness, and unity with God we no more fear anything because we know it’s all an illusion, like playing a video game or watching a movie. We are safe in the video arcade even as the space aliens attempt to blow us to bits. In a nightmare we’re terrified even as we’re perfectly safe in warm bed. Similarly, we are perfectly safe in God, whether we are aware of it or not.



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tide

posted December 20, 2008 at 5:02 am


Wow Neale,
If that isn’t a sick and twisted way to bring mass acceptance to ones own mind of the potential to accept doing such a heinious act, I don’t know what is.
Outta here…
Tis the season for Christ the reason!
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John Robbins

posted December 20, 2008 at 9:15 am


We have to get out of victim mode. We are not victims. When this cosmic truth is collectively intergrated, woven into our very natures, then a new paradigm will be manifested. We have got to believe in the unseen, unheard, unuttered truths of existence. The seen is the effect (student). The unseen is the cause (teacher). John



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posted December 20, 2008 at 10:03 am


Lets speak of the unseen John.
Within a week and half period before the celebration of christmas, the author of this blog wants to have a conversation regarding suicide and murder as being acceptable.
Impeccable timing.



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Michelle

posted December 20, 2008 at 10:24 am


God is not an individuated being separate from us, living outside us, judging us. God is energy in motion, and more specifically God is our energy in motion.. Our energy in motion is God’s energy in motion because We and God are One. As individuated aspects of God creating God, we can be thought of as both the creator and the created of all that we see, hear, touch, taste, and feel.
Whether we like it or not, whether we admit it or not, we are one with all that has occurred, Is occurring and Is going to occur within the framework of our immediate experience and our collective experience in this moment now and in all the collections of all the collective moments of Now. We are responsible for creating all that we are aware of that is happening in our world. All that is happening in our world is never happening to us–we are creating all of it and at varying degrees and at varying levels.
As creators of our collective reality, we create on different levels–consciously, unconsciously, subconsciously, at the levels of mind, body and soul. Sometimes all these varying levels of creation act in unity with our highest collective vision and sometimes they conflict. Sometimes our creations are intended and sometimes they are unintended.
If we each are aware of the occurrence in our present collective moment then we are responsible for meeting the challenge to act in and out of the awareness using God’s energy.
Our culture, and the way the collective consciousness has envisioned it, created ripe conditions for one such as the madman who decapitated John Walsh’s child.
The biggest thing holding our collective consciousness and culture culpable for leading to the creation of such a madman is the underpinning belief that God is separate from humans and that God is needy, judgmental, and vengeful. God is not a human being in the sky judging right and wrong. God has no judgment on anything. God simply is all that Is, all that ever was, and all that is becoming. God is the process of our energy moving wherever we choose to focus it. It is never a question of right and wrong; it is a question of what serves our highest individual and collective purpose to choose to express and experience of God’s energy in physicality.
Love and Peace,
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posted December 20, 2008 at 10:46 am


Dear Neale – my son was brutally shot down on 1/10/05 – yes I’ve asked God a million times why – why my son – how could someone take some’s life. But I decided this time not to try and be mad at God although I must admit in the beginning I was.
But then I remembered how mad I was at God when my mother committed suicide and how it led to a life that almost killed me – but for the Grace of God who saved my life.
Now at 54 – I’m saying why all the violence around me – what is inside of me – and then I realized I grew up in a home filled with violence – I was very abused physically, mentally and emotionally as a child and then entered into the same type of marriage, then relationship.
But my child – my son – that’s been a little too much to swallow and accept. May the love of Christ bless you this holiday season and may your new year be abundantly blessed with all his goodness. People in churches kept saying my negative thoughts caused his murder; my negative vibes caused his murder (he was in Denver and I was in Chicago); as for negative vibes well I had already been diagnosed with major depression – but now they’ve added post traumatic stress syndrome and I just want to make peace but I want the violence to stop being attraced to me.
I pray and ask God to love and forgive through me so that I don’t have these experiences any longer – but somehow it’s hard getting passed the murder of my son –
A loving God can’t condone murder – yet all through the Bible there are stories of God ordering people to kill other people – and that’s where I get confused – how can God be loving and violent at the same time – I know I’m missing something – I just want to please the Lord and find the peace of God and forgiveness from God of all that I did while I was out in the world – some people have even said my son’s murder was my payback for doing the things I did after my mother’s suicide – I don’t know – I was just mad that God let my mother kill herself without ever saying she loved me or that she was sorry for what she did to me – any suggestions. Peace and blessings – cherlyn



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posted December 20, 2008 at 10:49 am


I have an interesting thought about this.
I think the man who murdered Mr. Walsh’s son obivously must have believed that from his point-of-view it was the “right” thing to do or the only thing he could do to get other people’s attention.
Now we didn’t murder this little boy ourselves of course but I do believe we co-created the point-of-view of the murderer which led him to do the act.
Now maybe we didn’t even directly co-create the point-of-view of this murderer but then at least we co-created the points-of-view of other people that led them to believe that co-creating the point-of-view the murderer had was the right thing to do.
And maybe we didn’t even directly co-create the point-of-view of those other people but then at least we co-created the points-of-view of yet other people wo co-created those points-of-view….. and so on.
Which in the end makes all of us responsible for what happened, because each negative thought leads to another.
This all sounds very scary, at least to me, but it shouldn’t, for it also means that in the future we may be able to prevent similar things from happening. In fact we might already be doing that, without knowing it ourselves!
Kind regards,
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Deb Reilly

posted December 20, 2008 at 11:29 am


Dear Johannes,
You are such a deep and loving person. How could I not admire your careful eloquence?
A few weeks ago I surfaced out of a para-normal experience that lasted a year and a half. Digesting the lessons will take a long time–I’m shaken. I needed the reassurance that comes after hearing the echo of what I know to be true. God loves us.
Did you read Francisco’s contribution to this discussion? The poisonous pseudo-piety whose tentacles have wormed their way into the hearts and minds of the religious is testament to the existence of evil. It is real. It is not us, but uses our weakness, which is fear, to wreak havoc. Well, that is just one of It’s methods.
Evil exists, managing to hide behind a cloak of denial, as a caricature of red horns and tail, or as a ‘reasonable and charming gentleman’ who is the most accomplished liar that has ever existed. I do not fear It or deny It. What It has done to us, as a people, is horrific and beyond expression.
Yet we have abundant beauty. We have hope. We have love. We have forgiveness.
We have God.



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Cynthia

posted December 20, 2008 at 11:58 am


If this is our “Final Exam” – I think BHDT gets 100%…a gold star…..it may not have directly come out of CWG, but then a Truth is still a Truth.
Maybe BHDT should get the “Happier than God” book to just to find it in there….?
Blessings to All and give your “Gifts”.



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Deb Reilly

posted December 20, 2008 at 11:58 am


The hateful god of the Bible is not real.
God loves each of us with perfection, each of us equally, as if we were an only child. God didn’t drown an army, punish with flood or drought, or command laws of stoning. God doesn’t test us or taunt us.
God does not reward the ‘good’ or punish the ‘evil’, because each of us is doing the best we can. Perfection is not possible.
I am so sorry your precious son was killed. I am so sorry for the pain you have endured through the loss of your mother and a childhood of abuse. If your mother could, I know this is what she would say:
My darling daughter, Cherlyn, I love you deeply as I have always loved you. Please believe me dear, that I did the best I could. I’m so sorry that I caused you so much pain. I was unable to express my love through all the torment I held inside myself. Please forgive me, and know that none of this heartache was caused by you. The abuse you suffered caused you to follow in my footsteps, as I followed in my mother’s. Know this my dear child, I love you and want you to love yourself. You are beautiful! Love, Mom
The people in your church love you and want what’s best for you, but you did not cause your son’s death. Forgiveness is a process. It rarely happens in an instant. If you need to look back to see your progress, do it. You are moving forward. God bless you Cherlyn. xo



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G W. McKay

posted December 20, 2008 at 12:48 pm


Hey Neale…
Yes Life and what we experience in it, is what we have created to be. That’s why our Theologies are so crazy, as was so eloquently pointed out in the CWG series.
Ok, here is the answer to your question “Now, you might ask, how in the world can I be blamed for something as heinous as…
The answer comes from the Chapter 3, Book 2 within CWG series, where the concept of “Collective Consciousness” is explained, where we as a people create the environment in which others of use can do and commit such horrible acts. That of course does not exonerate the individual from making such a choice nor the consequences of such a choice.
I believe this is hard for us to accept because we want Justice. We don’t want to see ourselves as the purveyor of such acts, thus we created Satan. That way we are not responsible nor is God, because God’s will is always being tested by this great evil we call Satan. Of course God will prevail and his chosen people, and those called by “HIS” name will be saved.
The Point is, we are responsible, and we create the reality in this present moment. I believe we can fix and solve all of our problems and ills. We can create the experience of life in love that we all dream of. God has created/evolved us to do this, it’s all up to us.
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Sheilah Schwartz

posted December 20, 2008 at 7:47 pm


Are things like this preordained. Did the soul who became John Walsh’s child volunteer to enter that situation. His child’s death drove him to become the person who has helped to stop criminals from committing further aggressions. Would he have done so if his some hadn’t been so horribly killed?????????



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...being here, doing this...

posted December 20, 2008 at 8:50 pm


Johannes said: “Now you are the therapist offering help and a different perspective. What you start doing is making me even more aghast and helpless by pulling me agitatedly toward VERY STRONG VIVID EXAMPLES OF BIG PAIN.”
My friend Johannes…I am just an ordinary person, a mere commenter on a blog sharing thoughts with all my friends here. It is not me who is making you do anything. You are not a victim. You have the power to choose where you direct your attention…even in the midst of intense pain.
Here is yet another example of how a group of ordinary people have responded in a loving way in the midst of intense pain – this time to the terror in Mumbai…
Responding To Mumbai
Johannes said: “And what about when I start feeling conspicuous for not meeting up with the effort those Mother Teresa people offer? Even if I don´t go there, I gotta deal with the fact that alleviation is not taking all pain away.”
Why set your expectation for yourself so high? I just do my little bit to contribute love to the world, and entrust the rest to my fellow loving beings all around the world. We may not see the connection between our small contribution, and the healing of the world…but it is there. We are all One. When you love just one person, you love the world.
Why not focus our attention on what we can contribute in love to the world right here and now….where we are, rather than allowing ourselves to become paralyzed into inaction through fear?
Here is an example of how we can do “the work of Mother Theresa”, right here and now, wherever we are…
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These words come from “After The Ecstasy, The Laundry”, by Jack Kornfield…
The demands of family life call on our hearts and test our strength like almost nothing else. One teacher told me…
“As a young Catholic I was inspired by the saints. I had always wanted to do things like work with Mother Theresa in India, but most of my life has not been so glamorous. After college, I became a teacher in an elementary shcool. And then my mother had a stroke and I had to drop out of teaching and help her for two years: bathe her, care for her bedsores, cook, pay the bills, run the house. At times I wanted to complete these responsibilities and get back to my spiritual life. Then one morning it dawned on me – I was doing the work of Mother Theresa, and I was doing it in my own home.”
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aquayers

posted December 21, 2008 at 7:17 am


Thanks for posting this blog today,Neale.My family has been thinking of this question too,recently my younger brother got a rare auto immune disease.It made him unable to walk and hurting his leg and there are something wrong with his blood.
It costs us a lot of money and we don’t think we can afford to medicate him forever since he has to be dependant on medicine.This is makes my perspective about everything goes upside down. I don’t know what to believe anymore. I don’t understand why my family doesn’t have any break at all,we constantly battle big problems. While other people walk through life easily. I always help everyone that needs help,and yet when I’m in this crisis,there’s no one to help me. It’s like the saying :”You’ll reap what you sow” isn’t working anymore.
Could anyone give me an answer,etc about this???Why bad things always happen to good people??Why people who do bad things can enjoy live their life??Why is it when I’m always there for someone but no one is here when I desperately need a help??
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posted December 21, 2008 at 10:42 am


There is a monumental energetic difference between consciously engaging in some act good, bad or other wise and doing so unconsciously.
That goes for the individual and for collective mass consciousness.
I would say the majority of individuals as well as the collective mass consciousness do not intentionally desire to have, create or experience the pain and sufferings in the world.
The pain and suffering or misery in the world is unconsciously created ignorantly because of the lack understanding of The Law of Attraction or personal and collective creation.
When we awaken more as individuals we will also awaken more as a collective and we will start creating from our highest Imaginings, purposefully, intentionally.
As a by product bonus, we will eventually be calling forth good creations unconsciously as well, as a result of our higher understandings of creation reality and that the majority of our thoughts and actions will be based on peace harmony, prosperity, etc., by the mere fact that we now know that we create our own reality and thus will create much more good out of our own self interest. -Marko



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SheerLuckHolmes

posted December 21, 2008 at 11:44 am


Neale, I need to thank you again for being consistent in reminding us to re-member. The ability to ‘get’ that we are not separate is a very daunting goal. Not only for the majority of this lifetime, but the majority of all the past lives as well, we have lived as separate. That is a lot of mass to move to ‘get’ the truth.
“Why” has to be dropped when coming from the ‘experience’ of we are all one. What meaning I give to my day to day experiencing is my mantra from now on. I expect it will take repeating and re-membering over and over and over again to ‘get’ it and get into it throughout all aspects of my being.
Thanks, again for your consistency and steadfastness in living your truths.



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posted December 21, 2008 at 12:57 pm


Dear Alan,
Keep listening to your inner voice, it will always guide you and will never let you down. I lost my brother and sister at a young age, then later bullied in school for years. Always a loner, I contemplated suicide many times just to escape from a hell on earth. Emotionally scarred, frightened of my own shadow I eventually emerged onto more solid ground. I relied on myself, my insticts to help myself to what can heal me. Flower essences, talismans and amulets (don’t laugh- and no, not all at once), tachyons, spiritual books, walks, talks, etc.
Please listen to and follow your inner voice, don’t pooh pooh what the worldly say is mumbo jumbo. Listen and follow your heart, and a pattern will be seen by your good self. Earnestly trust in the Life Process. It has your wellbeing at Heart. PROMISE.
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John Robbins

posted December 21, 2008 at 1:03 pm


Opps,the above was from me.



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Deb Reilly

posted December 21, 2008 at 1:36 pm


Dear Alan,
I’d like to add to what John said.
Difficult things happen to everyone, but it doesn’t last forever. When peace returns, you’ll find the silver lining. It’s easy to get dragged down into self-pity when everything looks bleak. I suggest you read some inspirational biographies. People do grow out of their adversity. You will too.
If you need help and it seems like there’s no one there, start asking for it. You may get ideas, or be referred to someone who can give you what you need. Keep asking.
You and your family are in my thoughts today. xo



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michelle

posted December 21, 2008 at 6:24 pm


Here is a beautiful song to everyOne in blogosphere!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olU8eMJ6g20
Love and Peace,
Michelle



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Patrick

posted December 21, 2008 at 6:56 pm


From my Bnet journal titled: Angry at God
There was, for a time in my life that I was very angry at God. Angry with…angry at, God. It was the time after “fear” of God but before “relationship” with God. I, like so many people, grew up with a fear of the Big Guy in the sky who could either bless me or end this life on earth in a twitch if God so chose and as God may still. So be it. Over the years and through much adversity, I began to wonder if God was even paying attention. Upon deeper introspect and recollection of childhood abuse I wondered why God didn’t intervene and became suspect of God even caring about what happens to people at all. When a phase of my life, several of them in succession actually, had become almost completely dismantled and enduring the aftermath and suffering I became…livid.
Everything around me and in every day…in every way was suddenly so unfamiliar that it was all I could do to recognise even the seemingly mundane and remember routine to keep me as close to sane as I could stay. In short, I thought for sure I was going to “lose it.” My capacity for patience was gone…I had none. The “routine” was the only thing that I would allow to occupy my thought process and anything that got in the way of the routine wasn’t dealt with gently to say the least. I have been trained in making things move quickly and with such affirmation that it would leave no question in the mind of most folks…if not anyone, that what I wanted moved…was going to be moved…like…now and I wouldn’t hesitate to use this training. I was a light switch with no “off,” only “on” and “idle,” and “on” just plain sucked for everyone…everyone. Both positions sucked for me.
I trusted no one. I didn’t trust myself. I wouldn’t have trusted my own mother and she was trustworthy indeed…and I sure as heck didn’t trust God. At least, that’s what I believed at the time.
I would yell, curse, malign, slander, blame, was sarcastic, demeaning, venomous, acid, volatile, unappreciative, cynical, bitter, angry, rage-full, sharp as a razor, flip the bird (and say the word) at even the most gentle suggestion of Gods grace and compassion. A compassionate human crossing my path…I considered a fluke and not many did given the “heat” I projected which was so intense I would encounter a wide berth over a handshake most days of any given week.
I learned how to manage in this anger so that I could cope…so that others could approach me if they needed to for whatever reason but intimacy was out of the question. Business only.
It took years to calm down in order to ask God, “Why did you allow those people to hurt the little boy?” (Me as a child) “Why did you allow this situation or that, to happen in my life?” The answer that came didn’t make it any easier and was so simple that I would not accept it for a very long time. What I heard was this…
“Patrick, I wasn’t allowing the action I was allowing the choice. I gave free will and choice “the knowledge” and I will never interfere with what you, or anyone else chooses. There are circumstances, impacts, and consequences at levels you will never understand but the bottom line here is…I never interfere with the freedom of the willingness of anyone at any time. I weep when the choice is to cause harm and I heal the afflicted when the harm is done and again, at levels you will never fully understand. This is what I do, son. This is what you can know for sure…that I do.”
It took a long time for me to accept that but the bottom line here is this is what you and I can know for sure…that I do.
Thank you, God
“How pleased God must be when we trust God enough to be angry with God.”
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posted December 21, 2008 at 7:00 pm


Given ones model of the world an individuation of god can do no wrong.I know most if not all will disagree but it was that variation of God doing the killing.It is easy to read the CWG material difficult sometimes to listen it is.In order for God to experience itself as well, evil, it has to create that effect in this world of physical reality.Why would God then interfere with well,need I say more?



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Sounder

posted December 21, 2008 at 8:28 pm


My thinking on these matters is closest to Johnnes, John Robbins, and ?. Michelle’s intellectual structuring seems most similar to my picture. I also enjoyed the words of Koko and Deb Reilly.
The basis for my own ontological construct is a notion that G-d, being beyond all category, cannot be said to be in a battle with anything, let alone some pretender such as ‘Satan’. No, I rather consider that all manifest expression is reflects the balance between order and liberty within expressions of consciousness. The following is the beginning of (my first) essay attempt at formalizing these ideas.
Creativity Unleashed, or Who’s Gonna Let the Dogs Out?
How is it that society will come to understand more constructive ways to relate to the conditions of our existence? This paper seeks to illustrate the manner by which fixed belief systems inhibit our creativity and ability to change the expressions of our consciousness. In particular, a notion will be advanced that Satan and Lucifer are G-d’s necessary helpers and are pitted against each other, rather than against G-d.
More at; http://guerrillaontology.blogspot,com



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Johannes van der Sluijs

posted December 21, 2008 at 9:10 pm


Dear bhdt,
You are right, I should have worded it better. You are an ordinary person indeed, like me, taking up a heavily emotionally loaded question, and in that you automatically, by course and force of simply what you are getting yourself in, are playing the role of the therapist, unless you are not, but then you are ineffective in bringing about the intented outcome inherent in mounting the stage, inherent in the act.
I wasn´t speaking for me, at best for me as a teenager, not at my present level of awareness. I was speaking from the perspective of getting into the process of the response of the poor devils that you address in their distress.
Desmond´s offer is empathy, emanating and offering same emotions, held in the deeper space of loving acceptance, but that could be lost on the adressed chaps-and-chicks-in-dismay, if you get what I mean, the more so, since you come by the written word.
Neither you nor Desmond are tracing down what conceptually “lacking clicks” are causing the having yourself helplessly taken off your feet by the sheer sweep of false identification, and offer an insight there, but that is the thing that is needed if you wanna offer more than brief emotional relief, if you reach that at all, that´ll be a matter of luck.
That is why I also pointed out the other pitfalls that Tutu´s offering takes in the bargain: the “victim” adding bad conscience for his own stumbling in helping to heal real suffering much or meeting-up-to-challenge anywhere to his plight, or the victim (I mean the Txxxxx Family as victim in plunging head-first into deriving great personal distress from the world´s distress, instead of looking calmly and confidently and watchfully and may be intuiting a response or solution, what they can do with and/or about it) focussing on the unhealed pain to remain with that suffering woman that was presented as an example of the available space for healing and making God and Tutu smile (I still don´t see him smiling, he “went up” so intensely with all the suffering going on, I DON´T see it, it´s like a Deus ex Machina, like his deriving from one example of “Kübler-Rossing” and “Mother Theresing” someone´s dying to the statement that from there all the Iraq´s of this grandly doing planet will get miraculously panaceed in the end, but of course it was a book fragment, so that´s pardonnable. Don´t know the book. Well, Kübler-Ross might do the trick, her domino hits these pages pretty hard, but she wasn´t introduced by Desmond Tutu really.). (It´s a matter of perception of course, if and how much of such unhealed pain will remain with that poor rich woman, but it looked like pretty inevitable in the example as painted, so I was doubting the convincing effectiveness of offering it. I don´t judge the quality of the example. It´s a beautiful, beautiful example, that´s not the issue. I was doubting its effect in case. Could do some trick, but why leave out the real trick?)
Now this is the greatest challenge in the world. a. to reach that level of insight and on-spot awareness where you don´t indulge in false identification, and b. to teach it, to make it seductive and attractive by putting signposts out all over the place (what about a conundrum over here, a path of transformation over there?), to lay it bare and to present a transparant offering and roadmap of its mechanism..
I´m nowhere there yet, but being here in this class is hands-on sleeves-off on-the-job training, and basically, you have to take some good beatings to grow into it, unless you evolve by impeccable genius, but who is?
But this funny Desmond guy, he is a very sweet, sweet man, no matter about that, but in my mind, he doesn´t even display that he grasps what he is doing.
And I tried to picture that, to make it vividly come alife and lay it bare for you, but I was not effective either. If I am still ineffective now, and I guess so by now, now that I see how you pick up on my first “try”, would you like me to expand in clarification, or would you prefer me to back off and leave you at peace? I am neutral, you tell me.
I overgo one “minor” predicament over here, but almost everybody commenting is doing it, and that is that the Txxxxx Family might visit these blog contributions one day.
Mr. Walsch asked to address them directly, since that is where your exercise becomes truly rewarding and challenges you and drags you open in its wake, and squeezes the blood and the sweat out of you: silence, nobody coming, you were practically the only one doing so. A´s for beauty, effort, bravery, brievity and sweeet sensitive careful heartfelt empathy from me.
Now I will make up for my omission, and come again with a direct address, but it´s presently taking me, say, some 25 “plenty-high-five” pages, that drag on forever. Tomorrow family day, no time. I´m going wild and crazy and out of my mind with the time I spend in the midst of very financially challenging times to support a family as an independent salesman anyways, but never mind. I can´t get off this any more, it is my calling.
I´ll try to get out at least a first part of my offering in the next days. In the totality of my offering I will a) deconstruct the life-conceptual mess with which T- and other E.T.-Families get themselves in a bloody mess, b.) get very personal in order to illustrate, illuminate, melt, and heal myself in the process as well, and c. try to co-therapy the whole wide world in the process. It feels like the most blasting and flabbergasting thing I´ve been doing in my whole life, but that can be grand delusion of course, leaving me with an awful stale feeling of disappointment after the release and no body being touched to bother. (Ha, am I adding to the suspense for my self-illusionary story, yummy!) Which very same surfacing emotion would of course prove me to have been unfit to meet up with the challenge in the first place, it would simply display my lack of mastery, or even plain elementary composure, the two of which don´t differ much, as I far as I grok them.
So, feel fine, be fine, do fine, stay tuned, keep up the good work, and put your seatbelts in place for the case that I reappear here. Nice ride in advance,
Johannes
Oh, and Deb, you are so sweet, I´ll come back to you. Gotta go now. Bye, love, play and be happy.
You too, bhdt, hope you´ve been able to plow through and cope with my level of fearless irreverent (over?)-self-confidence, my complexed and impatient sentence-construction, and my conceptual abstraction.
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posted December 22, 2008 at 10:39 am


Conversations With God suggests to me that we should not be judgemental. (In this case: Judging the killer.)
Look at all the programs that John Walsh has created because he lost his son. Something good has come from something bad.



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Deb Reilly

posted December 22, 2008 at 10:53 am


“In other words, not “Why is this happening?” but…”What do I want to make of this? What do I want to create for me, individually, out of what I have co-created with others?” NDW
“You see, my friend…your question presumes an awfully dangerous thing. Your question about Mr. Walsh’s young child’s death presumes that you had not nothing to do with it.” NDW
The first statement seems to say, ‘It’s all about me.’
The second statement seems to say all of us are duplicitous in our natures, to the point where we would consent to child torture while being outraged at the same time.
What stuns me is that so many are willing to believe everything Neale’s spirit says, while laughing at the idea that Satan exists. Look into your own heart. You’re not perfect. But haven’t you ever noticed that an idea can pop into your head, and all of the sudden you’re ticked at a co-worker or neighbor? The anger building until it occupies most of your mind? Haven’t you ever had a judgmental thought about a stranger, and asked yourself where the heck that came from? Haven’t you ever had a sudden urge to do something you know is wrong?
Free will grants us the choice. God is not the only Spirit who is always with us.



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posted December 28, 2008 at 12:26 pm


My reading of the Books is that negative things happen so that we can learn what positive is. All negative things that occur were pre-planned and chosen by us. The thing that bothers me is that the person that chose various negative experiences that I am going through is not really me. If it is a “me” it is a me on some higher level. We are free to chose, but it is not the human-conscious me that is free. I am rather a puppet that merely goes through life so that some higher me can understand the positive. If I am truly free, than I choose to break free of this higher self and make my own decisions, to live a real life with real free will here and now. The books also say that no one can do anything negative to me that I do not permit. But I have been hassled daily for years by these hierarchically based and authority driven persons on a higher plane. I even suffer mild “torture” on a daily basis and have had horrendous experiences of severe torture at times over the years. I choose for this not to happen and yet it goes on on on. As a human, I am not really even a person, as I am basically a slave and a mere tool for some other person to experience life through at my expense. My question is what do I have to do to claim my own personhood and life right now as a human. And when I say, “What do I have to do?” it is rhetorical, because I do not want to join a religion, or enter another form of pathway design, such as following some master, or engaging in a discipline set that promises to lead to a certain result.



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posted December 1, 2011 at 1:50 am


Greetings: I have to begin by relating a very true story that rocked my world a few years ago. I had read book one of CWG and a year later began to hunger for more. I had no money. I offered up to my source which is God. Only a few days later I was passing a box of books left on the sidewalk for disposal right two blocks from my apartment. Being a bookish worm anyway I couldn’t resist. Lo and behold, I found two brand new copies of book two and three. In one was a blue stick’em with the words “I love you” handwritten and stuck to the inside cover.

In January 1993, I had a close encounter of the cosmic kind. I was meditating on the matter of a pending divorce, believing I was going to hell for breaking my vow, when quite suddenly on the moment I had stilled my mind, I was there. With God!!! How do I know? Because when you are with God YOU KNOW!!!! So while I was inquiring about the state of my spirit a voice began to respond. Not a physical voice, a spiritual voice. And what I saw with spiritual eyes was the source where galaxies are born and were being born as I watched. When I asked about my situation the answer was “NO JUDGMENT”. Soooo being quite a bold character for once I asked about judgment day when everybody gets judged and placed either in heaven or in hell because of the “sins”. Again. “NO JUDGMENT.” Well, that kinda ticked me off because I believed in judgment day. Had since childhood. “If that is true, then what about Hitler who killed millions of God’s Chosen people in gas chambers?? [I had visited the memorial in Miami before and those images were seared into my marrow.] Again the answer “NO JUDGMENT! ONLY LOVE”.

Now back to the books. Imagine my absolute shock and near horror to find that exact message repeated again in the pages of Neal’s book!!! Why horror? Because the confirmation was trashing my entire spiritual paradigm again. Like shards of broken mirror. Sad part? Even now I struggle to rid myself of judgment!!!!

So the answer to this question: In my opinion is all about perspective. In the ultimate reality, the mind of the Infinite Spirit, every possibility plays out. In one way or another, on one world or another, in one life or another. From the perspective of the infinite the deadly dynamic between the boy and the man who beheaded him was not random, not heinous. NOT JUDGED!!! Why? Perhaps because event was the healing of a great wrong between the two spirits,or not. Maybe it was just what happened!!! The way it happened!!! But from the perspective of The Infinite Spirit, there was no harm done. We are Infinite Spirit exploring all possibilities in physical reality. The subjective nature of the event can not, in its most intimate depth be judged by us. Only Infinite Spirit could even comment on that or know what possible positive could come from what to us is beyond horror.

The message I took away from my encounter with the Infinite Spirit is…even death is an illusion. Our deaths in the world is, to Infinite Spirit [with whom we are ultimate one in kind and quality if not magnitude]of the same caliber as death in a movie or a stage play. Absolutely of no consequence because nothing of us is ever lost.



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P.S. Thank you Neal for having the enormous courage to dare write these crucial books.



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