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Christians + Sunday Oct. 31 = Holyween, not Halloween?

posted by Nicole Neroulias

I happen to be a big fan of Halloween, but plenty of people — particularly some Christians — see the holiday as all trick, no treat. And with Oct. 31 falling on a Sunday this month, it seems the debate has gotten even scarier, with a Louisiana parish even going so far as to ban it this year.

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Bonus: Check out this vintage (2006) GetReligion post about slutty Halloween costumes.

From my perspective, I see the treat bag half full here: all the alternative fun being planned for Friday and Saturday means we get a three-day Halloween weekend!

What do you think? Share your thoughts in the Comments section below.

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kenneth

posted October 28, 2010 at 5:02 pm


I think the looniness of the culture war is accelerating….While they get their knickers in a knot over Halloween, a purely secular holiday, I’m going to be celebrating Samhain (yes, on Sunday!)



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Robert C

posted October 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm


…back to hitting the sauce.



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pagansister

posted October 28, 2010 at 6:16 pm


Banning Halloween? Party Poopers for sure.



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Henrietta22

posted October 28, 2010 at 7:04 pm


We love giving out candy and seeing the kids in their costumes, early it’s the tiny ones (the cutest), later the scary ones (older). I know some areas would like to have you give candy on sat. night when Halloween is on sunday, but we don’t. Holidays should be on the date of the calendar.



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pagansister

posted October 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm


You are so right, Henrietta? Holidays should be on the date of the calendar, no matter what holiday it is.



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Danthrax

posted October 29, 2010 at 11:25 am


The word Hallow MEANS Holy. Halloween means Holy Eve, as in the evening preceding All Saints Day. All Saints Day was officially commemorated on November 1, 700 A.D. but had been celebrated for at least 200 years already by then.
They commemorated the hosts of Christians who had been martyred for the name of Jesus, dressing up as those who had been hanged, beheaded, fed to lions, burned alive, disemboweled, etc.
@withyobadself, you claim that Christians are vomiting fear, hate, and shame. What we actually proclaim is that Jesus died to pay our own well-deserved death penalty, and yours. The hate you are sensing seems to be coming from your own heart.



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Mark

posted October 29, 2010 at 11:45 am


Meanwhile, on Reformation Day…



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Joe Gonzalez

posted October 29, 2010 at 12:17 pm


i came as a foreigner to this country when i was ten. Halloween and Thanksgiving were news to me. Still, as a kid, they were ‘ sort of fun’. But to tell the truth, i didn’t really get into either. As i grew, and because of it’s significance, Thanksgiving became much more important. But i used to go ‘ trick or treating ‘ when – in the eraly 60’s, i was 10, 11, and so on…We kids would go on our own, and though we didn’t play dirty pranks ( tricks ) on those who didn’t treat us, it was no big deal…and wearing a disguise was sort of em barrasing. Nowadays, with all the chaos rampant, adults accompany the kids, and my personal take is : still no big deal, no ‘ delight ‘ for the majority of kids, and because of the wackos one never knows might live a block or two from your house, rather dangerous ( poisoned m&ms instead of cyanide tylenols ). Well whatever, like i say, no big deal.



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Gwyddion9

posted October 29, 2010 at 12:17 pm


A blessed Samhain to all…the reason for the season!



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Debbie

posted October 29, 2010 at 12:24 pm


I will be celebrating as I do each year the anniversary of the Reformation, Oct. 31, 1517, when Martin Luther posted his 95 questions regarding the practices of the Roman church on the door of the church in Wittenberg, Germany.



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Nicole Neroulias

posted October 29, 2010 at 6:56 pm


The New York Times also has a story about this issue now:
The Tricky Business of Halloween Sunday



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douglas_macneill

posted October 29, 2010 at 11:00 pm


Hmmm…Halloween falls on a Sunday?
Well, October 31 is also the feast for Saints of the Reformation Era. So how about dressing up as Martin Luther, Calvin, or even Thomas Cranmer?
My home church is offering a chance for the young ‘uns to go trunk-or-treating (trick or treating from the trunk of one car in the parking lot to the next, and so on) after the 10:30 AM service.



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pagansister

posted October 30, 2010 at 10:22 am


Gwyddion9: Yes, I second that—Blessed Samhain to all and most certainly the reason for the season!



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nnmns

posted October 31, 2010 at 9:23 am


Instead of moving Halloween, which is a real holiday, why not move Sunday? Sorry I didn’t get here earlier with this, when it would have been more practical.
But seriously, for a really scary costume, dress as a child molester protector, say the Pope.



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nnmns

posted October 31, 2010 at 9:46 am


Debbie has a good idea, though out of the spirit of the holiday. But we should all celebrate the weakening of the power of the RCC which that event presaged. And Danthrax has a very Church-colored view of the history of the holiday. Here’s a more scientific view, from Astronomy Picture of the Day.

Halloween’s origin is ancient and astronomical. Since the fifth century BC, Halloween has been celebrated as a cross-quarter day, a day halfway between an equinox (equal day / equal night) and a solstice (minimum day / maximum night in the northern hemisphere). With a modern calendar, however, the real cross-quarter day will occur next week. Another cross-quarter day is Groundhog’s Day. Halloween’s modern celebration retains historic roots in dressing to scare away the spirits of the dead.

But really of course it’s the Pagans’ holiday. And, much like Christmas, it’s been secularized so it no longer solely belongs to them. And like Christmas, it’s become a lot of fun. Especially if the poo-pooers leave it alone. And if people don’t get stupid.
So Blessed Samhain to y’all.



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Not as good as YOU, apparently

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:18 pm


Hmm, interesting new term you’ve invented, Nicole: the ‘holy-wieners’.
LOL and all that.



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Not as good as YOU, apparently

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:21 pm


Robert C
October 28, 2010 5:55 PM
“…back to hitting the sauce.”
Don’t DO it Robert. A new survey from the UK says alcohol is THE most dngerous drug in the world – even worse than heroin or crack cocaine.
Stay off the sauce. Try marijuana instead. It’ll mellow you out (something I’ve observed you may be in need of ;{O)



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Grumpy Old Person

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:26 pm


When my husband and I used to give out ‘treats’, we’d give out pennies. Everyone’s got a jar of them gathering dust. The little ones we let take a fistful; the older ones we’d toss maybe a dozen to.
The parents loved the idea because they can’t be tainted with razor blades or pins, they won’t rot the kids teeth or otherwise put them into sugar overload.
Some of the kids with social consciences said they’d give it to UNICEF, and the little ones invariably went away screaming delightedly, ‘Mommy, they’re givin’ away MONEY!!!
So easy and so socially, environmentally sound and much, much fun. I highly recommend it to all for n ext year.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:31 pm


Sorry Danthrax, but I have to agree with withyobaself.
Republicans in office DO give grants,tax breaks,other money to churches, in return the churches DO vomit fear,hate,shame which DOES create a simple minded backwards hillbilly christian tea bagger (cf. Christine [don’t masturbate/they’re creating mice with human brains/evolution is a myth] O’Donnell)who ARE ready to vote yes on letting the banks and corporations regain control. There wasn’t a false note in badself’s post.



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Robert C

posted November 2, 2010 at 11:34 pm


Of course you misinterpreted that comment just like you misinterpret everything else. You are beyond hope for any semblence of sanity, and your misogyny is showing again. You are a perfect example of why the republicans swept to victory in most of the national contests this evening. The hatred exuded by many on the left exceeds, in many cases, the hatred from the right they so disparage. Yin and yang, two peas in a pod, mirror images. Don’t look in a mirror dumpy grumpy, you make not like what you see ( through the cracks ).



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Not as good as YOU apparently

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:19 am


Thus proving you have absolutely NO sense of humor, Robert.
I highly recommend getting one, as I’m sure Grumpy would advise.



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Robert C

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:10 am


Not as good as YOU apparently = Grumpy
If not actually, then his/her evil twin.



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