Judy Collins: 'Tell the Truth, No Matter How Hard'

BY: Interview by Wendy Schuman


Photo Credit: Shonna Valeska

Judy Collins’s crystal-clear soprano and songwriting gifts have made her a folk-singing legend, with more than 40 albums and several Grammy honors to her credit. Her riveting blue eyes were celebrated by Stephen Stills in the Crosby, Still, & Nash classic “Suite: Judy Blue Eyes.” But she has faced more illness, pain, and loss than many people realize. Her latest book,

The 7 T’s

, distills the lessons she learned about recovering from grief and loss since her son Clark's suicide at age 33 in 1992. Videotaped in her sunlit New York City apartment, she spoke with Beliefnet about her journey to spiritual healing and her desire to help others.


Video Interview

Strength, Hope, and Healing
Faith, Prayer, and Grace

Your book, The Seven T's, is about finding hope and healing after devastating loss. Where did this process come from?

The 7 T's: Deep Healing

The Seven T's really came to me while I was talking about and touring with my book on suicide, which came out three or four years ago. I felt that I wanted to give people a pragmatic, practical way to do the things that I had learned to do to survive my own loss of my son’s death 15 years ago to suicide. And so, in each case I enlarge upon a particular concept.

1. Truth: Tell it, regardless of how terrible the facts may be and how hard it is to talk about. Don’t hide the truth about how you lost the person you loved. I think that generally applies to all kinds of tragedy. 

2. Trust: Allow it. Don’t let the painful circumstances surrounding the death of your loved one prevent you from talking with friends about your loss. It’s very important to find people to trust to whom we can talk about what’s going on in our lives. 

3. Therapy: Which I completely believe in--not only traditional therapy of the talking kind, but also body therapy, massage, art therapy, music therapy, physical therapy, which can be therapy without even having that tag on it. Because loss can be a physical shock as well as a mental and emotional shock. 

4. Treasure: Hold on. Don’t stop treasuring your loved one. Particularly again in the case of suicide, where so many people eliminate the person from the planet and they’re never mentioned again. 

5. Thrive: Keep looking at life with your eyes wide open. Don’t give in to the temptation to use alcohol or other addictive substances to blunt or blur your sadness. Tremendous loss is also the opportunity for a gift in your life. It could be learning compassion for other people. It could be learning compassion for yourself. 

6. Treat: Nurture yourself. Give yourself the gift of kind understanding, and taking care of ourselves when we’re in a fragile circumstance and when we have miles to go, because these things don’t end in a week. They stay with us. 

7. Transcend: The word always reminds me of spring because the earth transcends from its apparently dead circumstance. The spring comes and the sun comes and the flowers start to bloom, and the world really transcends death. 

You've had serious illnesses like bulimia and depression, things like hepatitis, alcoholism, even polio. How did you find the strength to overcome these problems? 

Coping with Alcoholism and Illness

I was probably given the strength, because I had lots of things that I had to do. I had polio when I was 11. I had to do physical recovery, physical manipulation of my leg. And I had to be in the hospital. I had to find ways to get through that. I used that time to read. Because it was a two-month period where I didn’t see my folks and I was in the hospital in isolation. So you find things to do with your mind and your body, and to believe that you can live through this while those around you are not so lucky. 


Alcoholism was with me always. I grew up in an alcoholic family. And you learn survival skills in an alcoholic family like staying out of sight when things were rough. I think we always think we can control things as children of alcoholics, but it turns out we can’t. So we have to learn about that too. And that’s part of recovery. It’s part of surviving these situations. 

The bulimia was a terribly difficult one to deal with.  I didn’t realize that all around me there were teenagers and young athletes doing the same thing. You know, I thought I had discovered it. I remember hearing Princess Diana talk openly about her bulimia. I know she did a lot of wonderful things, but I think that was something that she did for people who suffer from eating disorders that was really important. I think she did a great service by speaking out publicly about it.

So every time I had had one of these big, massive things to deal with, I just had to take one step at a time. It’s also something that probably comes in my genetic pool, because I come from a real deep background of optimists and missionaries and writers and thinkers--people who dwelt a lot on the spiritual issues of life and who had an optimistic attitude about life.

What is your faith like now? 

'My Faith Is Restored'
My faith is restored. When my son died, I sort of lost my faith in just about everything. But slowly but surely, through things like meditation...I do meditate on a pretty regular basis and I do a lot of spiritual reading. I think that the daily practice of quiet and contemplation and prayer and reading and writing helps me a lot. Writing in my journal and writing about the books that I’m reading, in the books that I’m reading sometimes, and engrossing myself in a period of reflection, hopefully on a daily basis, is something that is part of that practice.
I don’t go to a particular religious ceremony very often. I do the celebrations at Christmas and Easter, but I like something about my particular practice, which is called Self-Realization Fellowship. And we pray to a number of deities. And then we say, "All saints and all gurus from all religions." We’re asking for help wherever we can get it. And I love that inclusive part. It’s a kind of a combination of Buddhism and Christianity and everything else that helps.

How do meditation and exercise help you with depression? 

How Meditation Helps
Exercise would change my endorphin levels and would steady me. If I don’t exercise for a couple of days, I still can be on the verge of deep depression. I have to use that on a regular basis, just like I would take a medication. I don’t take medications, but that serves as my body-mind-spirit answer, my holistic approach.

The meditation fits into that, because it allows my whole body and my mind and [balances] my somewhat manic approach to life, although I think of it as just this engine that’s going all the time, rather than manic. It’s not so much in spurts as it’s this steady outpour of energy, which goes into most everything I do. And I find that the meditation really calms that down. It lets me focus. I’ve been meditating in that way for about 28, 30 years. So it’s become incorporated into my life. I think it provides an emotional stability that I really need.

Continued on page 2: The prayer and song that get her through tough times... »

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