{"id":410,"date":"2009-12-28T12:42:42","date_gmt":"2009-12-28T12:42:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/windowsanddoors\/2009\/12\/gay-and-orthodox-the-saga-cont.html"},"modified":"2009-12-28T12:42:42","modified_gmt":"2009-12-28T12:42:42","slug":"gay-and-orthodox-the-saga-cont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/windowsanddoors\/2009\/12\/gay-and-orthodox-the-saga-cont.html","title":{"rendered":"Gay and Orthodox: The Saga Continues"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here is a letter, signed by <em>Talmidei HaYeshiva <\/em>&#8211; &#8220;Students of the Yeshiva&#8221;, in response to last week&#8217;s historic public <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/windowsanddoors\/2009\/12\/gay-and-orthodox-at-yeshiva-un.html\">conversation at Yeshiva University which featured four gay men<\/a>, all current students or alumni of that institution.  While it may anger some, I think that is actually both ironically funny and a bit sad.<br \/>\n<span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"IMG00061-20091224-1741.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/114\/import\/IMG00061-20091224-1741.jpg\" width=\"600\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/><\/span><br \/>\nIn fact, the comments in this letter makes total sense as the next round in a necessary process, and should be met with only one response: compassion, ironically perhaps, the same compassion with which the four gay alums were met.  And here is why it&#8217;s both funny and sad:<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nIt&#8217;s funny because the cycle, including such letters, is what goes on in every American religious institution (Jewish and Christian, at least) which struggles with this issue.  It&#8217; not an Orthodox thing, it&#8217;s a human thing.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s a bit sad insofar as we seem unable to learn from the experiences of others.  But as I write this, I realize that is almost always impossible &#8212; like allowing someone else to taste s soup for you and then deciding if you think it needs salt &#8212; and therefore nor sad at all.  But I can still wish, right?  Of course I can, I am wishing for a shorter process in myself.<br \/>\nAnyway, I actually feel for the authors of the letter.  To be torn between &#8220;sensitivity&#8217; and &#8220;halakha&#8221;, to feel a gaping hole in what one hopes would be a seamless garment, is painful, embarrassing, and disorienting &#8212; hence my reference to meeting the signers with compassion.<br \/>\nThe events of last week demonstrate that one can be both compassionate toward those with whom one may disagree and maintain integrity.  If we all remember that, and we keep a conversation going which reflects that awareness, this will be a period of time upon which many people will eventually look back with great pride.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is a letter, signed by Talmidei HaYeshiva &#8211; &#8220;Students of the Yeshiva&#8221;, in response to last week&#8217;s historic public conversation at Yeshiva University which featured four gay men, all current students or alumni of that institution. While it may anger some, I think that is actually both ironically funny and a bit sad. 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