{"id":1026,"date":"2012-02-24T08:00:06","date_gmt":"2012-02-24T13:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/wholenotes\/?p=1026"},"modified":"2012-02-24T02:55:25","modified_gmt":"2012-02-24T07:55:25","slug":"a-conversation-with-red-guitarist-anthony-armstrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/wholenotes\/2012\/02\/a-conversation-with-red-guitarist-anthony-armstrong.html","title":{"rendered":"A conversation with RED guitarist Anthony Armstrong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Click &#8220;Like&#8221; to share with your friends!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There once was a time when Christian rock bands could only hope to aspire a certain level of success before leveling out. And even then, it was a matter of maintaining, not expanding, its fan base. Thankfully, bands like P.O.D., Switchfoot, MxPx, Relient K, Thousand Foot Krutch and Skillet have proven that the previous model can be shattered.<\/p>\n<p>Hard rock outfit RED certainly can attest to this new reality. Consisting of equal parts melodic and edgy, the band is a mainstay in the Christian market (charting 13 #1 songs on Christian rock radio), but has also seen significant chart success in the mainstream rock realm with hit songs like \u201cDeath of Me,\u201d \u201cAlready Over,\u201d and \u201cBreathe Into Me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Whole Notes recently caught up with lead guitarist Anthony Armstrong (and twin brother of bass player Randy Armstrong) to talk about, among other things the band\u2019s meteoric rise, why music videos are an important aspect of their career, and what they learned about P.O.D. while out on tour last year:<\/p>\n<p>Chad Bonham: When I first saw you guys play, it was a showcase in Nashville with Leeland and Day of Fire and my first thought was, \u201cThis band could be a big deal.\u201d But you just never know anymore.<\/p>\n<p>Anthony Armstrong: It\u2019s crazy how it works. There are a lot of great bands out there that don\u2019t ever make it.<\/p>\n<p>Bonham: When you look back to those earliest days, was there any anticipation that you\u2019d have so many big hits on both Christian and mainstream radio and be selling a lot of records to both markets?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/wholenotes\/files\/2012\/02\/Red_UntilWeHaveFaces_cvr-hi.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1027\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/263\/2012\/02\/Red_UntilWeHaveFaces_cvr-hi-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a>Armstrong: You definitely can\u2019t predict it. Back then we were so green and young and we had no clue what it was going to be like. So going into it, we just had to have a lot of confidence in ourselves. But we knew it was going to be an uphill climb because we had never toured before. We had no fans. We just came out of the gates running. We tried to concentrate on playing as many shows as we possibly could and in a lot of ways we honed our band on stage in front of people rather than perfecting it in the studio. It was like a rocket ship in the beginning. We got on good tours and got in with the right people and I think the timing was great with what people were ready to hear and what they were looking for at the time. We earned a lot of respect in that way, but we just remained humble and did our job and got out of everybody\u2019s way and got invited back. A lot of bands learn that the hard way, especially nowadays. People don\u2019t sign those big record deals anymore. They don\u2019t sign $10 million record deals and then not have to do anything for themselves. Bands have to do everything for themselves now. So when you see a band in a van with a trailer, that\u2019s what it takes to get to the point where you can own your own rig and tour the country out on the road. That\u2019s what we did.<\/p>\n<p>Bonham: In a time when music videos don\u2019t seem to be a priority for record labels, why have you guys put so much effort into the production of music videos for songs like \u201cDeath of Me\u201d and \u201cFeed The Machine?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong: It\u2019s amazing. It\u2019s a lot of fun. We watched the VMA\u2019s a while back and we were asking ourselves, \u201cWhat happened to music? At what point did it all go south?\u201d Videos don\u2019t matter anymore and videos used to launch bands into a new category. MTV doesn\u2019t play videos anymore and there aren\u2019t a lot of outlets for videos. There used to be rules. They had to be three minutes long. You had to cut the song up a little bit to get it all into the video. But we just wanted to make the videos we wanted to make. With \u201cFeed The Machine,\u201d we wanted to make it story, almost like a mini movie. We wanted to make it even longer, like 30 minutes long, but with budgets and time constraints we couldn\u2019t do it. But we just don\u2019t want to stay inside that box. You can\u2019t nowadays. You\u2019ve got to find new and interesting ways to get people\u2019s attention. Now people are downloading music and burning records. You\u2019re not buying anything, so bands have to go back to the drawing board with their live shows and with everything they do production wise. Anybody can burn a record, but can they see a live show that\u2019s interesting and exciting so they\u2019ll want to come back? That\u2019s the majority of what we do. How we make our living is through touring and playing shows. That\u2019s why we\u2019re as busy as we are. The first three years, we did 300 shows a year. We just don\u2019t stop.<\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Red - Feed The Machine\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/zj2uZO7xnus?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<p>Bonham: You\u2019re one of the few bands to experience success in both the Christian market and the general market. Touring with bands from both markets means you\u2019re playing to different kinds of audiences all the time. How have you guys been able to navigate that dynamic and does it even matter?<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1028\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1028\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/wholenotes\/files\/2012\/02\/Red_UntilWeHaveFaces_press-main_lo.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1028\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/263\/2012\/02\/Red_UntilWeHaveFaces_press-main_lo-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1028\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">RED (left to right): Anthony Armstrong, Randy Armstrong, Michael Barnes and Joe Rickard (Photo by Joseph Anthony Baker)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Armstrong: I think at first it sort of mattered to us because we were green and we didn\u2019t know how to deal with the situation. But I think having toured and seen both sides of the market and the fact there are pros and cons to both sides, for us, we\u2019ve just tried to stay down the center and ignore a lot of it. There are a lot of politics involved being in either the mainstream or the Christian markets. It\u2019s pretty relative to either side. If you\u2019re a mainstream band, you\u2019re expected to do this. If you\u2019re a Christian band, you\u2019re expected to do this. Well, if you\u2019re a band of guys that doesn\u2019t care which market you\u2019re a part of and you just want to play music, you\u2019re relative to that. That\u2019s just what we\u2019re doing. We can play both markets and we don\u2019t change the show if we\u2019re playing for a youth group at a church or if we\u2019re playing a major mainstream tour. They\u2019re polar opposites. We just try to keep away from the Christian label as much as we can and we try to stay away from the mainstream label as much as we can because both of them have their negative stigmas. It\u2019s tough. Navigating through all that stuff is difficult, but I think we\u2019re going to dictate the pulse of our career by being ourselves and not falling into either side of it and staying right down the center<\/p>\n<p>Bonham: What did you learn from P.O.D. when you toured with them last summer?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/wholenotes\/files\/2012\/02\/Red-End-Of-Silence.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1030\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/263\/2012\/02\/Red-End-Of-Silence-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a>Armstrong: I\u2019m pretty positive that they are serious about their faith. From the very beginning (of their career) they were pretty clear about who they were. I remember watching them on MTV\u2019s \u201cCribs\u201d and Wuv was showing them around his house. He picked up a Bible and said, \u201cWe like to stir it up in the ways of God.\u201d And I thought that was really cool that on MTV he\u2019s supposed to be showing off these lavish things he\u2019s earned from being a musician and a rock star but he picked up his Bible and showed everybody what he believes. Those guys can dive into their faith at any second. It\u2019s never fleeting. Being out on tour, we saw those guys\u2019 hearts. It was refreshing to see. They could kick back with everybody else. They\u2019re pretty outward and they\u2019re pretty vulnerable about who they are and their issues. They\u2019re not afraid to say, \u201cYeah, this is something I deal with, but I can deal with it because I have a faith in the Lord.\u201d It was cool for us because we share a very similar path and those guys in a lot of ways set the bar and were innovators for bands like us. We were signed to a Christian label but we\u2019ve done mostly mainstream touring from the very beginning. It\u2019s been a pretty wild ride and those guys and Switchfoot have done it and now Skillet\u2019s doing it. There are a lot of people out there that are seeing that we\u2019ve got something to offer too and it\u2019s as good as if not better than a lot of the crap that\u2019s out there now.<\/p>\n<p>Bonham: How has the band evolved since the band first came together in 2004?<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong: I think we\u2019ve evolved because we\u2019ve gotten away from worrying about doing it all ourselves. You get into a groove and you get to hire people to care of the business side of things for you and then you can just concentrate on your music and concentrate on your fans. From the start, we were very concentrated on our fans but now more than ever we have an opportunity to be way more into our fans\u2019 lives and trying to understand what it is about our music that inspires them. That\u2019s what motivates us in a lot of ways. That\u2019s definitely changed. The business stuff is always there. We\u2019re the owners. This is RED Enterprises. It\u2019s four guys that are the presidents of this company. Bands didn\u2019t look at it like that before. The record label was daddy and daddy gave you all the money and the band just jumped on a bus and toured and partied and did their thing. Now bands have to literally establish small business licenses and stuff like that. But doing that and turning it over to other people has allowed us to focus on the bare bones of what we do and that\u2019s music. It\u2019s definitely nice.<\/p>\n<p>Bonham: How important is it for the band to have consistently challenging messages and themes in your songs and throughout your records?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/wholenotes\/files\/2012\/02\/innocenceandinstinct.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1029\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/263\/2012\/02\/innocenceandinstinct-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a>Armstrong: That\u2019s a selling point in a lot of ways. People want to engage with music. There are songs out there that just don\u2019t say a whole lot. There are songs out there that say, \u201cI hate my boss\u201d or \u201cI hate my life.\u201d It\u2019s the same typical way of saying things. We want to get people to think a little bit harder about life. \u201cFeed The Machine\u201d is a perfect example of that. It\u2019s actually my favorite song that we\u2019ve ever written. It\u2019s in a lot of ways pointing fingers at ourselves for getting swept up in that mindset that says you\u2019ve got to look like this, you\u2019ve got to be like this, you\u2019ve got to be on \u201cJersey Shore\u201d acting like and idiot and everybody\u2019s going to think you\u2019re cool. It\u2019s just so stupid to us. You\u2019re just feeding that machine. It\u2019s a frickin\u2019 train rolling down the tracks. If RED and the circles we roam in can change those people or change those hearts, it\u2019s just about inspiring people to open their eyes and take a look at what we\u2019re really meant to be rather than drones. They\u2019re meant to be leaders and to be innovators. We don\u2019t look at our band as just a rock band. We have a job. If you set out to be a rock band, that\u2019s fine. There are bands that just want to rock out and have a good time. But we go out of our way to inspire people because that\u2019s what music did for us when we were kids and we were all idiots. We were most likely heading down the wrong path and we were well on our way before music changed our lives. That was our motivating factor from the very beginning &#8212; to inspire people. When we\u2019re writing songs like \u201cFeed The Machine\u201d and \u201cBreathe Into Me\u201d and \u201cLet Go,\u201d we\u2019re just trying to empower people and give them some sort of anthemic soundtrack they can listen to when they\u2019re working out or driving in their car that\u2019s uplifting to them. If that happens, we\u2019ve done our job.<\/p>\n<p><em>Stay up on the latest from RED by visiting the band\u2019s official website <a href=\"http:\/\/www.redmusiconline.com\" target=\"_blank\">HERE<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Click &#8220;Like&#8221; to share with your friends! 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