{"id":1902,"date":"2007-04-28T09:25:32","date_gmt":"2007-04-28T09:25:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/viamedia\/2007\/04\/in-or-out.html"},"modified":"2007-04-28T09:25:32","modified_gmt":"2007-04-28T09:25:32","slug":"in-or-out","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/viamedia\/2007\/04\/in-or-out.html","title":{"rendered":"In or Out?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Inside the Vatican has an interview w\/Sr. Sara Butler of the ITC on Limbo. <\/a>On Sr. Sara:<\/p>\n

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In hopes of shedding some light on this controversial theological matter, Inside the Vatican\u2019s<\/em> Andrew Rabel, an Australian Catholic writer, in late April conducted an exclusive interview with an International Theological Commission member, the American nun Sr. Sara Butler, a Missionary Servant of the Most Blessed Trinity (MSBT). She is one of two women appointed to the International Theological Commission by John Paul II in 2004, and presently teaches dogmatic theology at St. Joseph’s Seminary in Dunwoodie, New York.<\/p>\n

Sr. Butler has been a Missionary Servant of the Most Blessed Trinity since 1956. She has served as instructor and professor at a variety of institutions, including 14 years at Mundelein Seminary in the Archdiocese of Chicago. She is a member of the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission.<\/p>\n

An early supporter of women’s ordination, Sr. Butler says she came to the conclusion, after much theological research, that she could support the Church\u2019s teaching. She recently published The Catholic Priesthood and Women: A Guide to the Teaching of the Church<\/em>, (Hillebrand Books, 2007), a strong defense of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis<\/em>, the document in which Pope John Paul II set forth the reasons for the Church\u2019s teaching that only males may be priests. Here is the transcript of the interview.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n

(BTW, I’ve heard only the highest compliments of Sr. Sara from a few people I’ve known who were taught by her at Mundelein)<\/p>\n

So…on to the interview:<\/p>\n

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ITV:<\/strong> If this is not a document of the Magisterium, does this mean we can expect subsequent action from the Holy See, affirming any authentic theological developments here?<\/p>\n

Sister Butler:<\/strong> The document is a theological explanation of why the Church now feels it is possible to hope that a way of salvation is open for infants who die without Baptism; in the past, it seemed that there was no hope for them.<\/p>\n

I would not be able to speculate on whether there will be any subsequent action. I think the document is for the use of other theologians. Generally, the ITC documents offer a point of reference for bishops and theology professors in seminaries, for example, to offer an explanation for the development of doctrine. But I doubt whether this would lead to a further statement from the Magisterium, because it says no more than what has already been said in the CCC, in the funeral rites for infants who have died without baptism in the 1970 Roman Missal and, in Pastoralis Actio<\/em> (the document from 1980 from the CDF on the baptism of infants). It says nothing new; it is simply trying to make explicit the theological grounding for this hope. Gaudium et Spes<\/em> 22 and Lumen Gentium<\/em> 14 & 16 at Vatican II, opened the way for this development. Actually, some wanted the teaching on Limbo formally defined at the Council, but the topic was excluded from the agenda.<\/p>\n

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ITV:<\/strong> The document says that Catholic belief in Limbo actually did not start to be challenged until the middle of the 20th century (ie no. 26). Do you envisage this doctrine surviving? The document still says that Limbo is a legitimate option to uphold in balancing the tension between the necessity of sacramental baptism and the infinite mercy of God…<\/p>\n

Sister Butler:<\/strong> The report concludes that Limbo remains a "possible theological opinion." Anyone who wants to defend it is free to do so. This document, however, tries to give a theological rationale for hoping that unbaptized infants may be saved.<\/p>\n

If somebody like Fr. Richard McBrien supposes that the ITC document rejects the doctrine of original sin, this is of course a mistake. The fact that one might jump to this conclusion, however, is precisely why a careful theological study was needed. There are several doctrines involved. We have set out the theological principles in a new order. From our review we conclude that the common teaching which has been in our possession does not belong to the faith of the Church. We take the doctrine of God\u2019s universal saving will of God as a starting point. By contrast, St. Augustine took the necessity of Baptism as a starting point, and incorporated the doctrine of God\u2019s universal saving will in a very qualified way. <\/p>\n

ITV:<\/strong> Following the attacks made by McBrien et alia<\/em>, does the Church say now that baptism is not necessary for salvation?<\/p>\n

Sister Butler:<\/strong> Those who suppose this document denies the doctrine of original sin are wrong, but so are those who presume it teaches that all unbaptized infants who die are saved, as if this were a truth of revelation. It says there are good grounds for the hope that God offers them a way of salvation. This is an important distinction: we don\u2019t know, for there has been no revelation about this. We are only trying to assess what we don\u2019t know from what we do know. From what has been revealed, we judge it reasonable to hope that God will bring unbaptized infants to heaven.<\/p>\n

As to your question regarding baptism, "Does the Church now say that baptism is not necessary for children?" the answer is "no." In the Catechism, paragraph no. 1257 says: "We do not know of any means other than baptism into eternal beatitude." But God is not bound to the sacraments, and therefore, just as we understand there are other possible ways for adults who are in invincible ignorance of the Gospel to achieve salvation, so we presume there are other ways, known to God, open to infants who unfortunately die without baptism.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Theology is not my strong point, but it seems to me the simplest way to describe this is to say that it is not so much about Limbo as about Heaven. The conclusion is: It is not contrary to the Catholic faith to hope that unbaptized babies are saved. <\/p>\n

Isn’t that it?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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