{"id":468,"date":"2007-07-24T03:31:00","date_gmt":"2007-07-24T03:31:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/treeleafzen\/2007\/07\/sit-a-long-with-jundo-fukanzaz-45.html"},"modified":"2007-07-24T03:31:00","modified_gmt":"2007-07-24T03:31:00","slug":"sit-a-long-with-jundo-fukanzaz-45","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/treeleafzen\/2007\/07\/sit-a-long-with-jundo-fukanzaz-45.html","title":{"rendered":"SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: Fukanzazengi LVII"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"right\">..<\/div>\n<div align=\"left\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">There are many famous Zen sayings about mountains &#8230; such as this by the Tang Dynasty teacher, Ch&#8217;ing-y\u00c3\u00bcan Wei-hsin (J. Seigen Ishin):<o:p><\/o:p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  ><\/span>  <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\";font-family:Osaka\u00e2\u02c6\u2019\u00e7\u00ad\u2030\u00e5\u00b9\u2026;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"JA\" >\u00e8\u20ac\u0081\u00e5\u0192\u00a7\u00e4\u00b8\u2030\u00e5\u008d\u0081\u00e5\u00b9\u00b4\u00e5\u2030\u008d\u00e6\u0153\u00aa\u00e5\u008f\u0192<\/span><span style=\";font-family:Osaka\u00e2\u02c6\u2019\u00e7\u00ad\u2030\u00e5\u00b9\u2026;font-size:14;\"  >\u00e7\u00a6\u00aa\u00e6\u2122\u201a\u00e3\u20ac\u0081<br \/>\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1\u00e6\u02dc\u00af\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4\u00e6\u02dc\u00af\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e5\u008f\u0160\u00e8\u2021\u00b3\u00e5\u00be\u0152<span style=\"\" lang=\"JA\">\u00e5\u00a4\u00be<\/span>\u00e8\u00a6\u00aa\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e7\u0178\u00a5\u00e8\u00ad\u02dc\u00e3\u20ac\u0081<br \/>\u00e6\u0153\u2030\u00e7\u00ae\u2021\u00e5\u2026\u00a5\u00e8\u2122\u2022\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1\u00e4\u00b8\u008d\u00e6\u02dc\u00af\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4\u00e4\u00b8\u008d\u00e6\u02dc\u00af\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4\u00e3\u20ac\u0081<br \/>\u00e8\u20ac\u0152\u00e4\u00bb\u0160\u00e5\u00be\u2014\u00e7\u00ae\u2021\u00e9\u00ab\u201d\u00e6\u00ad\u2021\u00e8\u2122\u2022\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e4\u00be\u009d\u00e7\u201e\u00b6\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1<\/span><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"ZH-TW\" >\u00e7\u00a7\u00aa<\/span><span style=\";font-family:Osaka\u00e2\u02c6\u2019\u00e7\u00ad\u2030\u00e5\u00b9\u2026;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"JA\" >\u00e6\u02dc\u00af<\/span><span style=\";font-family:Osaka\u00e2\u02c6\u2019\u00e7\u00ad\u2030\u00e5\u00b9\u2026;font-size:14;\"  >\u00e5\u00b1\u00b1\u00e3\u20ac\u0081\u00e8\u00a6\u2039\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4<\/span><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"ZH-TW\" >\u00e7\u00a7\u00aa<\/span><span style=\";font-family:Osaka\u00e2\u02c6\u2019\u00e7\u00ad\u2030\u00e5\u00b9\u2026;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"JA\" >\u00e6\u02dc\u00af\u00e6\u00b0\u00b4<\/span><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  lang=\"JA\" > <\/span><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  ><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<p>  <span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  ><span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it&#8217;s just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters<\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  ><\/span><span style=\"font-size:100%;\">He went on to ask, &#8220;D<span style=\"font-style: italic;\">o you think these three understandings are the same or different<\/span>?&#8221;<\/span><br \/><span style=\";font-family:&quot;;font-size:14;\"  ><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"left\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"left\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"left\">\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">.<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:100%;\"><span style=\"\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">Sitting in balance in the mountain-still state,<\/span> <span>&#8220;Think the concrete state of not thinking.&#8221; &#8220;How can the state of not thinking be thought?&#8221; &#8220;It is different from thinking.&#8221;<\/span> This is the secret of sitting-Zen.<\/span> [NISHIJIMA]<br \/><\/span><span style=\"font-size:100%;\"><\/span> <\/div>\n<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: right;\">\n<div style=\"text-align: right;\">.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><embed src=\"http:\/\/operator11.com\/swf\/o11player.swf\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" flashvars=\"shw_id=253&amp;epi_id=9225\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" base=\"http:\/\/operator11.com\/swf\/\" quality=\"high\" bgcolor=\"#fff\" height=\"362\" width=\"432\"><\/embed><span style=\"font-size:85%;\"><br \/>Press on arrow for &#8216;play&#8217;<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>.. There are many famous Zen sayings about mountains &#8230; such as this by the Tang Dynasty teacher, Ch&#8217;ing-y\u00c3\u00bcan Wei-hsin (J. 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