{"id":410,"date":"2009-08-21T08:35:23","date_gmt":"2009-08-21T08:35:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/08\/more-on-the-complexity-of-gend.html"},"modified":"2009-08-21T08:35:23","modified_gmt":"2009-08-21T08:35:23","slug":"more-on-the-complexity-of-gend","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/08\/more-on-the-complexity-of-gend.html","title":{"rendered":"More on the Complexity of Gender"},"content":{"rendered":"

Here’s a comment string from the last post<\/a> that might be interesting…<\/p>\n

Confused and Hurting Sinner writes,<\/p>\n

\n

most of the previous comments seem somewhat educated albeit cold
\n& clincal. To me the elephant in the room that everyone seemed to
\nignore is a person that is transgender or no discernible gender is
\nstill a feeling, loving, human even if not treated like one by society.
\nThey are not a tree, rock or animal. they want to be cared about &
\ncherished by God & others the same as everyone else. try to put
\nyourself in there place. you are born you basically look like other
\nchildren in most aspects its just your diaper fits differently &
\nyour emotions & thoughts don’t line up with your peers maybe you
\ndon’t care on the outside or maybe you show it but either way it scars.
\nyou have to live your whole existence fitting no where. even the every
\nday thing of need a restroom presents real & painful challenges.
\nnow cliches about rocks & trees because that doesn’t matter one
\niota to this person all they want to know is can they have friends,
\ndreams, ambitions, & a relationship with God. if your this person
\ndo you want to hear theological mumbojumbo or existential theoretical
\nramblings? or do you just want to here your loved, cared about, &
\nvalued?? think on that please & contemptible what you would want to
\nhere & try to respond to others the same way because you never know
\nwho your talking to.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n


\nJohn G responds,<\/p>\n

\n

Dear confused & hurting sinner, Lisandgirls, <\/p>\n

Please understand that the Christian Worldview does not classify a
\nhomosexual based on who s\/he is personally, rather, what s\/he does
\nsexually. It is the act of same-sex sexual activity that distinguishes
\nhomosexuals from heterosexuals and has nothing to do with the person.
\nThis distinction must be clear and accepted as clear if any fruitful
\ndiscussion is to take place in this conversation.<\/p>\n

This gives us the basis for which we can love the sinner despite the
\nsin. This applies to us only, not to God (he hates the sinner and the
\nsin, not just the sin). With this knowledge, it is an act of love to
\nmake known God’s position on this to the homosexual and demonstrate
\nkindness, patience, and understanding in the process.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

To which I reply,<\/p>\n

\n

John G,<\/p>\n

This post, and the comments to which you refer, do not<\/i> refer
\nto homosexual sex. This post is about those who are “intersex” or
\n“hermaphroditic” — they do not fall into the categories of “male” or
\n“female,” and, indeed, those categories are not as discreet as many of
\nus would like to believe.<\/p>\n

According to you (or the Bible), who are those people allowed to have sex with?<\/b><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Anyone care to venture an answer? (Let me just guess that a lot of sexually active heterosexual Christians will say they should stay celibate…)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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