{"id":37,"date":"2008-11-26T23:05:56","date_gmt":"2008-11-26T23:05:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2008\/11\/comment-of-the-day-3.html"},"modified":"2008-11-26T23:05:56","modified_gmt":"2008-11-26T23:05:56","slug":"comment-of-the-day-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2008\/11\/comment-of-the-day-3.html","title":{"rendered":"Comment of the Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Rev Dave writes,<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;Keep rocking the quadrilateral&#8221; Ha! +1 tripp!\n<\/p>\n<p>As a transplanted Methodist, I had a similar thought (and we were just this week teaching the quad to our Confirmation class).<\/p>\n<p>Though I wasn&#8217;t brought up in that tradition, it seems to me that<br \/>\nthe quadrilateral is the most honest depiction of how we determine our<br \/>\nbeliefs. The four exist in tension, and all are needed. As much as some<br \/>\nwould like to believe otherwise, it is just not possible to base our<br \/>\nbeliefs on scripture alone. We always filter what we read through these<br \/>\nother lenses. Even when we don&#8217;t know we&#8217;re doing so.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, I appreciate Tony&#8217;s thoughts here on experience. I won&#8217;t<br \/>\nbore with extensive details, but my mind and heart were completely<br \/>\nchanged by an experience I had (in a seminary classroom no less!). In a<br \/>\npastoral care class I met several gay men. As they talked about their<br \/>\nfaith, one said &#8211; and I hope I never forget this &#8211; &#8220;This is what I know<br \/>\nfor sure: I am 100% a man, 100% a Christian, and 100% gay.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>It was, in the ineffable way of such times, a holy moment; an intrusion<br \/>\nof God&#8217;s Spirit on my entire being. I gained a new understanding of<br \/>\nwhat it means to follow Jesus that day, and I&#8217;m a completely different<br \/>\nperson, a completely different disciple, a completely different pastor,<br \/>\nbecause of it.<\/p>\n<p>I say it would be inhuman not to include experience in this<br \/>\ndiscussion. For experience is a valid, important, age-old (you might<br \/>\neven call it traditional!) teacher.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rev Dave writes, &#8220;Keep rocking the quadrilateral&#8221; Ha! +1 tripp! As a transplanted Methodist, I had a similar thought (and we were just this week teaching the quad to our Confirmation class). 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