{"id":335,"date":"2009-05-05T10:19:44","date_gmt":"2009-05-05T10:19:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/05\/happily-religious-in-fly-over.html"},"modified":"2009-05-05T10:19:44","modified_gmt":"2009-05-05T10:19:44","slug":"happily-religious-in-fly-over","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/05\/happily-religious-in-fly-over.html","title":{"rendered":"Happily Religious in Fly-Over Country"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve long admired Stanley Fish, and I&#8217;ve written about my reliance on his fantastic book of<span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"stanley-fish.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/198\/import\/stanley-fish.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px;float: right\" height=\"385\" width=\"308\" \/><\/span> essays, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0674467264?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=theoblogy-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0674467264\"><i>Is There a Text in this Class? The Authority of Interpretive Communities<\/i><\/a>. Fish is a leading postmodern literary critic and occasional commentator on politics, academia, and religion.<\/p>\n<p>In his NYTimes column this week, he wrote about Terry Eagleton&#8217;s new book, <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0300151799?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=theoblogy-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0300151799\">Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate<\/a><\/i>. Although a left-wing (aka, Marxist) literary critic, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Terry_Eagleton\">Eagleton<\/a> has recently taken his fellow Brits Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins (to whom he refers as &#8220;Ditchkins&#8221;) to task for miscontruing the role of religion in modern society.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nFish appreciates Eagleton&#8217;s stance as one who, himself, has defended religion, though he has been publicly coy about his own religious beliefs. (<i>Do you hear me Al Mohler and James Dobson (to whom I will hereafter refer as Mobson) two postmodernist literary critics defending religion!<\/i>). <\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the money quote from <a href=\"http:\/\/fish.blogs.nytimes.com\/2009\/05\/03\/god-talk\/\">Fish&#8217;s blog:<br \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Eagleton likes this turn of speech, and he has recourse to it often<br \/>\nwhen making the same point: &#8220;[B]elieving that religion is a botched<br \/>\nattempt to explain the world . . . is like seeing ballet as a botched<br \/>\nattempt to run for a bus.&#8221; Running for a bus is a focused empirical act<br \/>\nand the steps you take are instrumental to its end. The positions one<br \/>\nassumes in ballet have no such end; they are after something else, and<br \/>\nthat something doesn&#8217;t yield to the usual forms of measurement.<br \/>\nReligion, Eagleton is saying, is like ballet (and Chekhov); it&#8217;s after<br \/>\nsomething else.<\/p>\n<p>After what? Eagleton, of course, does not tell us, except in the<br \/>\nmost general terms: &#8220;The coming kingdom of God, a condition of justice,<br \/>\nfellowship, and self-fulfillment far beyond anything that might<br \/>\nnormally be considered possible or even desirable in the more<br \/>\nwell-heeled quarters of Oxford and Washington.&#8221; Such a condition would<br \/>\nnot be desirable in Oxford and Washington because, according to<br \/>\nEagleton, the inhabitants of those places are complacently in bondage<br \/>\nto the false idols of wealth, power and progress. That is, they feel<br \/>\nlittle of the tragedy and pain of the human condition, but instead<br \/>\n&#8220;adopt some bright-eyed superstition such as the dream of untrammeled<br \/>\nhuman progress&#8221; and put their baseless &#8220;trust in the efficacy of a spot<br \/>\nof social engineering here and a dose of liberal enlightenment there.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s a powerful essay, and one that I recommend you read. And, indeed, it puts in words my own experience of speaking in Washington, D.C. a few times, and it points up the problem with the label &#8220;prgressive.&#8221; That term has often meant a nearly blind belief in human progress. Rarely, however, do I speak to a working pastor who is particularly entranced by the idea that we&#8217;re progressing as a species. Yes, some things are getting better. But others are not. And what the logical-positivism of Ditchkins is unable to do is put the whole burrito in perspective.<\/p>\n<p>And in addition to that, I commend my new favorite blog, that of <a href=\"http:\/\/notes-from-offcenter.com\/\">Drew Tatusko<\/a>. Recently, Drew interacted with another <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0521548721?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=theoblogy-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0521548721\">new book exploring the sacred and secular in modern society<\/a>. But beyond just bemoaning the loss of religion in the West and the decline of mainline Protestantism, Drew puts on his Presbyterian elder hat and challenges his fellow mainliners:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>This places the mainline churches which persist as the heirs of the<br \/>\nwealth created by their forebears at the end of the 19th century to<br \/>\ndeal with a crisis that this wealth creation has ironically reinforced.<br \/>\nThe Tower of Babel is, as much as anything else, a tale about a people<br \/>\nwho believed themselves to be so powerful that they no longer needed<br \/>\nGod. As we become more affluent in our own mainline denominations, it<br \/>\nmay be that we are deluded into thinking we no longer need God quite as<br \/>\nmuch. However, this is not what Jesus asks of us. What Jesus asks of us<br \/>\nis to serve the least of these and love our neighbor.<\/p>\n<p>If the reality is that the mainline people do not feel the need for<br \/>\nGod to meet their existential needs quite as much as when each day was<br \/>\na trial for survival, then we are in a position to put the Body of<br \/>\nChrist into action to serve those who continue to struggle. Not to<br \/>\ncommit ourselves to the plight of the poor and those who bear the basic<br \/>\nexistential burden of survival daily, is nothing short of erecting <a href=\"http:\/\/notes-from-offcenter.com\/2009\/04\/30\/comment-on-rebuilding-the-presbyterian-establishment-full\/\" target=\"_blank\">tall steeples of our own pride<\/a> and sense of material accomplishment, only to push God out of the very churches in which we gather to worship <em>ourselves<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve long admired Stanley Fish, and I&#8217;ve written about my reliance on his fantastic book of essays, Is There a Text in this Class? The Authority of Interpretive Communities. Fish is a leading postmodern literary critic and occasional commentator on politics, academia, and religion. 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