{"id":314,"date":"2009-04-13T19:11:03","date_gmt":"2009-04-13T19:11:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/04\/do-i-deny-penal-substitution.html"},"modified":"2009-04-13T19:11:03","modified_gmt":"2009-04-13T19:11:03","slug":"do-i-deny-penal-substitution","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/04\/do-i-deny-penal-substitution.html","title":{"rendered":"Do I Deny Penal Substitution?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>No. I simply deny it pride of place.&nbsp; Here&#8217;s what I wrote in <a href=\"http:\/\/old.tonyj.net.s55855.gridserver.com\/?p=200\">October, 2006<\/a> about my lunch with John Piper:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>One thing that won&#8217;t surprise anyone who knows about these things:<br \/>\nJohn Piper basically equates a penal substitutionary understanding of<br \/>\nthe atonement with the gospel. I am unwilling to do that. I don&#8217;t<br \/>\ndisparage that theory of the atonement (see my recent endorsement on<br \/>\nthe back of the 20th Anniversary Edition of Stott&#8217;s <span style=\"font-style: italic\">The Cross of Christ<\/span>),<br \/>\nbut I believe the birth\/death\/resurrection of Jesus Christ to be the<br \/>\npivot point of cosmic history. Thus, I do not think that <span style=\"font-style: italic\">one<\/span><br \/>\ntheory interpreting that event to be sufficient. Every theory of the<br \/>\natonement is 1) human, and 2) bound to a context. The penal<br \/>\nsubstitution &#8212; while there are seeds of it in Pauline writings &#8212; is<br \/>\ntied to the development of the Western legal mind. Nor am I willing to<br \/>\ncondemn the <span style=\"font-style: italic\">billions<\/span> of<br \/>\nfaithful Christians who have lived and died in the past two millennia<br \/>\nwith alternate understandings of the atonement (here see Gustav Aulen, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Christus-Victor-Historical-Three-Atonement\/dp\/1592443303\/sr=8-1\/qid=1160046496\/ref=pd_bbs_1\/104-4299747-5677519?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books\"><span style=\"font-style: italic\">Christus Victor<\/span><\/a>).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, PSA is one theory of the atonement. Beneficial, but not exclusive. Not even first among equals.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>No. I simply deny it pride of place.&nbsp; Here&#8217;s what I wrote in October, 2006 about my lunch with John Piper: One thing that won&#8217;t surprise anyone who knows about these things: John Piper basically equates a penal substitutionary understanding of the atonement with the gospel. I am unwilling to do that. 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