{"id":266,"date":"2009-03-09T08:08:40","date_gmt":"2009-03-09T08:08:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/03\/original-sin-calvins-conundrum.html"},"modified":"2009-03-09T08:08:40","modified_gmt":"2009-03-09T08:08:40","slug":"original-sin-calvins-conundrum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/03\/original-sin-calvins-conundrum.html","title":{"rendered":"Original Sin: Calvin&#8217;s Conundrum"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"center\"><u>The Original Sin Series<\/u><br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/original-sin-a-depraved-idea.html\">Intro<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/original-sin-my-intuition.html\">Intuition<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/original-sin-a-definition.html\">Definition<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/original-sin-the-genesis-of-a.html\">Genesis<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/The%20Original%20Sin%20Series%20Intro-Intuition-Definition-Genesis-Jesus-Paul-Augustine-Calvin-Conclusion\">Jesus<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/original-sin-paul-romans-5-and.html\">Paul<\/a>&#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/original-sin-augustines-addend.html\">Augustine<\/a>&#8211;<b>Calvin<\/b>-Conclusion<\/div>\n<p>When we last heard from our intrepid doctrine, Augustine had taken Paul&#8217;s interpretation of Genesis 2-3 in Romans 5 and taken that to mean that Adam&#8217;s sin conferred not only death on the entire human race, but also guilt.&nbsp; This was a big step, to be sure, and, as I&#8217;ve written, it hinges on a particular reading of the second creation narrative in Genesis and on a particular biology of the transmission of moral standing via semen.&nbsp; Some of my readers find both of these fairly dubious.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"john-calvin-2-sized.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/198\/import\/john-calvin-2-sized.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt;float: left\" height=\"362\" width=\"264\" \/><\/span>A thousand years after Augustine, John Calvin came along and ginned up the Reformation that Martin Luther had begun just a few years earlier.&nbsp; Calvin in his monumental <i>Institutes of the Christian Religion<\/i>, Calvin took the doctrine of Original Sin one step further than Augustine, arguing that our inherited sinfulness has erased virtually all remnant of the <i>imago dei<\/i> in us &#8212; God might have said, &#8220;Let us make man in our image,&#8221; but the subsequent sin of Adam expunged that image:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<font face=\"Arial, Helvetica\">Therefore original sin is seen to be an<br \/>\nhereditary depravity and corruption of our nature diffused into all parts<br \/>\nof the soul . . . wherefore those who have defined original sin as the<br \/>\nlack of the original righteousness with which we should have been endowed,<br \/>\nno doubt include, by implication, the whole fact of the matter, but they<br \/>\nhave not fully expressed the positive energy of this sin. For our nature<br \/>\nis not merely bereft of good, but is so productive of every kind of evil<br \/>\nthat it cannot be inactive. Those who have called it concupiscence<br \/>\n<span lang=\"en-us\">[a strong, especially sexual desire, lust] <\/span>have<br \/>\nused a word by no means wide of the mark, if it were added&nbsp; (and this is<br \/>\nwhat many do not concede) that whatever is in man from intellect to will,<br \/>\nfrom the soul to the flesh, is all defiled and crammed with concupiscence;<br \/>\nor, to sum it up briefly, that the whole man is in himself nothing but<br \/>\nconcupiscence.<\/font>&#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nCalvin&#8217;s acolytes seized upon the idea of &#8220;hereditary depravity&#8221; and made it the opening salvo of the TULIP doctrine:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><b>T<\/b>otal Depravity<br \/>\n<b>U<\/b>nconditional Election<br \/>\n<b>L<\/b>imited Atonement<br \/>\n<b>I<\/b>rresistable Grace<br \/>\n<b>P<\/b>erseverance of the Saints\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The first question I always ask 5-point Calvinists is this: If you<br \/>\nbelieve in total depravity of the human intellect, how can you be so<br \/>\ndamn certain that you&#8217;re right about total depravity? The answer<br \/>\nusually seems to be something about the &#8220;plain meaning of scripture.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That quibble aside, Calvinists make clear that <i>total<\/i> depravity is not the same as <i>absolute<\/i> depravity.&nbsp; While the latter allows for no good in humans, the former merely means that every aspect of the human being is besmirched, but that good is still possible within a human. (No, I don&#8217;t quite see the difference either.)<\/p>\n<p>But total depravity does mean that the human being is not capable of <i>producing<\/i> anything good, not capable of doing anything that is <i>pleasing<\/i> to God.<\/p>\n<p>What this promotes is the sovereignty of God, a doctrine which, it must be noted, Calvinists value more highly than any other.&nbsp; Acknowledging the sovereignty of God, they argue, necessitates the doctrine of human depravity because if God is totally sovereign, then we are totally lacking in sovereignty.<\/p>\n<p>As I have found with the doctrine of Original Sin in general, it seems to me a solution (God&#8217;s sovereignty) in search of a problem (total depravity).&nbsp; It also seems to me that I can affirm God&#8217;s sovereignty without accepting total depravity.<\/p>\n<p>So, what say you?&nbsp; Are any of you willing to come to the defense of Calvin&#8217;s theological foe, Arminius, as some of you were for Pelagius?<\/p>\n<p>(BTW, I officially ban comments to the effect of &#8220;Need proof of depravity? Look around!&#8221; and &#8220;GK Chesterton said that Original Sin is the one doctrine that is empirically provable. Puh-leeze.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Original Sin SeriesIntro&#8211;Intuition&#8211;Definition&#8211;Genesis&#8211;Jesus&#8211;Paul&#8211;Augustine&#8211;Calvin-Conclusion When we last heard from our intrepid doctrine, Augustine had taken Paul&#8217;s interpretation of Genesis 2-3 in Romans 5 and taken that to mean that Adam&#8217;s sin conferred not only death on the entire human race, but also guilt.&nbsp; This was a big step, to be sure, and, as I&#8217;ve written,&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":134,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,25,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-266","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-church","category-church-history","category-theology"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Original Sin: Calvin&#039;s Conundrum - 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