{"id":228,"date":"2009-02-18T06:43:14","date_gmt":"2009-02-18T06:43:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/comment-of-the-day-32.html"},"modified":"2009-02-18T06:43:14","modified_gmt":"2009-02-18T06:43:14","slug":"comment-of-the-day-32","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/comment-of-the-day-32.html","title":{"rendered":"Comment of the Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Under <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/original-sin-paul-romans-5-and.html\">Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue<\/a>, Brian provides with a helpful primer to the various views of interpreting Romans:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Romans is important to the conversation about the doctrine of<br \/>\n&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/original-sin-a-definition.html\">Original Sin<\/a>&#8221; for several reasons. First, many other people have<br \/>\nbrought it up in their comments. Second, Augustine (the person who<br \/>\ndeveloped &#8220;original sin&#8221;) was converted to Christianity after reading<br \/>\nRomans. So, perhaps a wider conversation about Romans might be helpful<br \/>\nto add to the focus text highlighted by Tony Jones. So this comment is<br \/>\ngoing to highlight one way to overview Romans. Romans tends to have<br \/>\nthree main types of interpretations. <\/p>\n<p><b>First, forensic interpretations explore the theological argument<br \/>\nwhereby Paul describes the logic of how both Jews and Gentiles are<br \/>\nsinners and can only receive the God&#8217;s grace through God&#8217;s own<br \/>\njustification\/acquittal in Christ<\/b>. All are equally sinners. All are<br \/>\nequally guilty. All are acquitted through Christ. The problem is that<br \/>\nthis interpretation doesn&#8217;t focus on sanctification\/change. Someone who<br \/>\nis a rapist or racist is acquitted through Christ, but they are not<br \/>\nnecessarily overtly challenged to change their behavior and make<br \/>\nrestitution for the pain they have already caused. A sense of quick and<br \/>\neasy forgiveness can enable people to remain stuck in unhealthy and<br \/>\nanti-social behaviors. This is called cheap grace. Bonhoeffer wrote a<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0684815001?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=emergent-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0684815001\">great book<\/a> about this problem. This is where the other interpretations<br \/>\nare important. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><b>Second, new covenant interpretations explore the rhetoric whereby<br \/>\nPaul calls on people to change their behavior by imitating the<br \/>\nself-giving love of Christ.<\/b> Both Jews and Gentiles were supposed to be<br \/>\nhumble. Both were supposed to guide and encourage each other in love.<br \/>\nPeople with different levels of power were supposed to adapt so they<br \/>\ncould work together as a community of equals. Powerful nations such as<br \/>\nthe USA need this message so that they remember that other nations must<br \/>\nalso have a voice in our shared world. This idea is emphasized in a<br \/>\ngreat hymn, &#8220;My country&#8217; s skies are bluer than the ocean, and sunlight<br \/>\nbeams on clover leaf and pine; but other lands have sunlight too and<br \/>\nclover, and skies are everywhere as blue as mine.&#8221; All must be seen as<br \/>\nco-equal, the strong and the weak together.<b><br \/><\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Third, apocalyptic interpretations explore the discourse whereby Paul<br \/>\nattempts to empower people in their daily life by discussing God&#8217;s<br \/>\nongoing, saving power in Christ.<\/b> Sin and evil are still present in the<br \/>\nworld, even in Christian communities (3:23, 7:18-20). Paul always seems<br \/>\nto suggest that people are between saint and sinner; and between<br \/>\nalready reconciled yet still needing saving. So living the Christian<br \/>\nlife is an ongoing process. This ongoing process is carried out by<br \/>\nsharing God&#8217;s saving revelation and gifts &#8220;from faith to faith&#8221; (1:17)<br \/>\nas the &#8220;body of Christ&#8221; (12:5), with each member having a &#8220;measure of<br \/>\nfaith (12:3). The contributions of each member is needed for the<br \/>\nbetterment of the whole community (12:3-8). Therefore, when having<br \/>\nconversations on blogs, we all need to remember that each of us has<br \/>\nimportant gifts, thoughts, and theologies to share. Each of us is<br \/>\nimportant for the good of the whole. Since we all are limited and &#8220;see<br \/>\nthrough a glass dimly&#8221; and &#8220;know only in part&#8221; (I Cor. 13:9-12), the<br \/>\nbest way to see more clearly and fully is to work together mutually as<br \/>\nthe body of Christ. <\/p>\n<p>Paul seems kind of postmodern here with his idea of mutual ministry<br \/>\nand communal knowlege. Maybe he was an Emergent Church leader. Oh wait,<br \/>\nhe was! The Church was literally emerging while Paul was writing. And<br \/>\nthe Church continues to emerge today. The question we face is whether<br \/>\nwe&#8217;re going to idolize only a few doctrines or whether we&#8217;re going to<br \/>\ncontinue to emerge through a &#8220;renewing of our minds&#8221; (12:2). <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Under Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue, Brian provides with a helpful primer to the various views of interpreting Romans: Romans is important to the conversation about the doctrine of &#8220;Original Sin&#8221; for several reasons. First, many other people have brought it up in their comments. 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