{"id":223,"date":"2009-02-16T11:44:05","date_gmt":"2009-02-16T11:44:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/is-virtual-community-true-com.html"},"modified":"2009-02-16T11:44:05","modified_gmt":"2009-02-16T11:44:05","slug":"is-virtual-community-true-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/02\/is-virtual-community-true-com.html","title":{"rendered":"Is Virtual Community True Community?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Last week at the National Pastors Convention, Shane Hipps<\/a> sat down with the guys from Out of Ur<\/a> and talked about community, based on his new book, Flickering Pixels<\/i><\/a>.  (Full disclosure: Shane is one of my very best friends — we’ve known each other for 30 years — and I am a huge fan and proponent of his book.)<\/p>\n

But in the video (below), Shane says that “virtual community ain’t community.”  John La Grou<\/a> takes issue with this, using a very compelling anecdote from his experience at TED 2009<\/a> (color me jealous!!!).  Money quote:<\/p>\n

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Look.. I don’t know anyone who would argue that virtual community is a substitute<\/em>for physical community. Perhaps some of us need a book to remind them.In this sense, he is a welcome voice. But, contrary to Hipps’ position,I think virtual community establishes an authentic shared identity, asense of belonging, a shared history, and a sense of permanence. Thatvirtual community cannot offer physical gathering simply restates theobvious.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I tend to agree with John on this one.  I think Shane has overstated the case and thus undercut his argument (I should know, I make a living doing that! :-)).  I have been amazed of late how powerful Twitter<\/a> is as a medium of connection with other human beings.  I have no experience with Second Life (and I don’t know that Shane does, either), but it seems to me to have that same potential.  Rob Brink’s<\/a> essay in Youthworker Journal<\/a> last summer convinced me that online gaming even has this potential.<\/p>\n

I don’t think this blog has (yet) fostered a community, but I think Scot has done just that at Jesus Creed<\/a>.  All this is dependent upon your definition of community, and Shane makes his clear in the video.  <\/p>\n

So, what say you?  Is virtual community true “community”?<\/p>\n

[UPDATE: Scot weighs in at Out of Ur.<\/a>]<\/p>\n

Video after the jump.<\/p>\n

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