{"id":174,"date":"2009-01-27T08:56:28","date_gmt":"2009-01-27T08:56:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comment-of-the-day-22.html"},"modified":"2009-01-27T08:56:28","modified_gmt":"2009-01-27T08:56:28","slug":"comment-of-the-day-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comment-of-the-day-22.html","title":{"rendered":"Comment of the Day"},"content":{"rendered":"

So many great comments under Original Sin: A Depraved Idea<\/a>, so I’ll just highlight Virgil’s<\/a>.  Do yourself a favor and go read the others.<\/p>\n

\n

There is very little that is “traditional” about the doctrine of
\noriginal sin, until we get to Augustine and his revivalist Calvin to
\npromote the doctrine. Again, numbers do not necessarily bring validity
\nand objectivity to an issue, in fact the opposite is probably true.<\/p>\n

What if instead we consider the covenantal aspect of creation, and
\nlook at the imagery presented in the narrative? Order is created out of
\nchaos, life out of death, purpose out of purposeless existence. The
\nstory is presenting Eden as the place where “God is” and the outside as
\nthe mythical place of chaos, danger, thorns and “no God.”<\/p>\n

In this mythical covenantal context one would be hard pressed to
\nshow that something went physically wrong with the bodies of Adam and
\nEve when they sinned; can we justify this biblically? <\/p>\n

Could the story of the fall be illustrative of life without God,
\nwhich brings thorns, distress and pain to one’s life. The idea that the
\nfirst (original) sin brought about physical pain, and thorns is simply
\nunreasonable. Are we to understand that pre-sin Adam could have jumped
\noff a cliff and not go splash when he hit the ground; or not even feel
\npain?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

So many great comments under Original Sin: A Depraved Idea, so I’ll just highlight Virgil’s.  Do yourself a favor and go read the others. There is very little that is “traditional” about the doctrine of original sin, until we get to Augustine and his revivalist Calvin to promote the doctrine. 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