{"id":160,"date":"2009-01-20T08:11:15","date_gmt":"2009-01-20T08:11:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comment-of-the-day-20.html"},"modified":"2009-01-20T08:11:15","modified_gmt":"2009-01-20T08:11:15","slug":"comment-of-the-day-20","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comment-of-the-day-20.html","title":{"rendered":"Comment of the Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.presonphillips.com\/\">Preson<\/a> takes issue with my post, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/announcing-queermergent.html\">Announcing Queermergent<\/a>, as did many others.&nbsp; What&#8217;s interesting is that I merely pointed out this new group, with no editorial comment.&nbsp; Yet my even publicizing it raises the ire of many. I guess that simply acknowledging the existence of gay Christians is a bridge-too-far for some.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Alright, I&#8217;m done. <br \/>\nMany of us have been involved in this conversation for a very long<br \/>\ntime. We defended it with the hope that it would truly become something<br \/>\nthat would represent a true organic holistic Christianity. <br \/>\nI just can&#8217;t walk with you beyond this step. <\/p>\n<p>The emerging church movement saved my faith, and gave me a reason to<br \/>\nbe excited about my faith again. After reading &#8220;Generous Orthodoxy&#8221;, I<br \/>\nrealized how huge the kingdom of God truly is. I gave up my tired way<br \/>\nof legalistic Christian faith, and embraced a LIVING faith. And I now<br \/>\npastor of an urban church where the gospel is preached in word AND in<br \/>\ndeed. A faith that doesn&#8217;t strain out gnats while swallowing camels.<br \/>\nMany lives are being changed, and people are coming to Jesus and being<br \/>\nfreed from addictions and lives destroyed by sin&#8230; and I owe (some of)<br \/>\nit to the emerging church conversation.<\/p>\n<p>I understand sensitivity in approaching people, and I understand the<br \/>\nfact that people need to come to Jesus and not morality. I believe that<br \/>\nJesus can deliver people from anything, and that the spirit will teach<br \/>\nto live right. I understand not taking sides on &#8220;sin management&#8221;, but<br \/>\nrather than standing around and naming sin, we should proclaim Christ<br \/>\ncrucified out of a love for His people, and wanting them to be forgiven<br \/>\nand to connect with Him. I even voted against an amendment to stop gay<br \/>\nmarriage because I don&#8217;t think that forcing people to live moral lives<br \/>\nbrings them closer to Jesus in any way shape or form. <\/p>\n<p>But now you&#8217;ve let the pendelum swing in the completely opposite<br \/>\ndirection. Instead of telling people to look to Jesus for their moral<br \/>\ncompass, you have taken it from &#8220;condemning&#8221; to &#8220;encouraging&#8221; a<br \/>\nlifestyle that is clearly not what God has for us regarding holy and<br \/>\ngood relationships. You are promoting a lifestyle that will not fulfill<br \/>\nthe purpose of a healthy sexual relationship, and it will leave people<br \/>\nfeeling empty and unfulfilled. <br \/>\nYou are leading people away from living at peace with God.<\/p>\n<p>I understand that some people are born with certain things that they<br \/>\nwill always struggle with&#8230; but we are not taught to give in. I<br \/>\nunderstand that some people are born with both male and female<br \/>\nphysicality&#8217;s, and that these things should be approached with prayer<br \/>\nand mercy and grace&#8230; but this is not that case.<\/p>\n<p>This is not where most of us are&#8230; and you will most definately alienate us.<\/p>\n<p>(btw&#8230;What happened to your &#8220;5 year moratorium&#8221;?)<\/p>\n<p>Many of us would like to continue this conversation. Please sir,<br \/>\nbring it back to the center, where we can all have a part in it.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Preson takes issue with my post, Announcing Queermergent, as did many others.&nbsp; What&#8217;s interesting is that I merely pointed out this new group, with no editorial comment.&nbsp; Yet my even publicizing it raises the ire of many. I guess that simply acknowledging the existence of gay Christians is a bridge-too-far for some.&nbsp; Alright, I&#8217;m done.&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":134,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12,21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-160","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-comment-of-the-day","category-glbt"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Comment of the Day - The New Christians<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comment-of-the-day-20.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Comment of the Day - The New Christians\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Preson takes issue with my post, Announcing Queermergent, as did many others.&nbsp; What&#8217;s interesting is that I merely pointed out this new group, with no editorial comment.&nbsp; Yet my even publicizing it raises the ire of many. 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