{"id":129,"date":"2009-01-09T07:49:09","date_gmt":"2009-01-09T07:49:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comments-of-the-day-1.html"},"modified":"2009-01-09T07:49:09","modified_gmt":"2009-01-09T07:49:09","slug":"comments-of-the-day-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/comments-of-the-day-1.html","title":{"rendered":"Comment(s) of the Day"},"content":{"rendered":"

Several readers, when considering the Trinity<\/a>, Mormonism, and orthodoxy<\/a>, are wondering about the authority of Nicaea.<\/p>\n

Master Doyle:<\/p>\n

\n

The two arguments I’ve heard most often to explain why Mormons
\naren’t Christian are 1) they believe in extra-Biblical scriptures,
\nnamely the Book of Mormon, and 2) they don’t believe in the Nicean
\ncreed. Isn’t this ironic, believers in one extra-Biblical document shun
\nthose who believe in a different extra-Biblical document.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

HiveRadical<\/a>:<\/p>\n

\n

I never understood how the Creedal view on the trinity could be
\nultimately defended. For example what happened to the homoousian
\ntrinity when, as Christ says (and regardless the fact that he’s
\nverbatim quoting OT scripture doesn’t mean he means the words any less,
\nor that the words are not applicable to his condition) “My God My God
\nwhy hast thou forsaken me?”<\/p>\n

Had the Father forsaken the Son? How can something of the same
\nsubstance forsake itself? Why did Christ say “Touch me not, for I have
\nnot ascended to my Father”?<\/p>\n

There was a clear and complete separation if we take Christ at his
\nwords. And if we’re not taking him at His words then I think there are
\nbigger issues than mere ontology that we have to address. If you think
\nthere was some mystery meaning in why Christ said those things then
\nyou’ve got some clever explaining to do.<\/p>\n

Anywho. That’s one of the biggest befuddlements I have about trying
\nto figure out why everyone is ready to trust an extra-biblical council
\non the final word on the nature of God when it’s in such stark contrast
\nto actual events and statements in the Bible given by Christ himself.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Be careful, kids — this is what got me rejected by Wheaton<\/a>!<\/p>\n

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