{"id":128,"date":"2009-01-09T07:39:57","date_gmt":"2009-01-09T07:39:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/beck-responds-to-derose.html"},"modified":"2009-01-09T07:39:57","modified_gmt":"2009-01-09T07:39:57","slug":"beck-responds-to-derose","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/beck-responds-to-derose.html","title":{"rendered":"Beck Responds to DeRose"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over at Experimental Theology, <a href=\"http:\/\/experimentaltheology.blogspot.com\/2009\/01\/hell-and-cognitive-development.html\">Richard Beck has responded<\/a> to Keith DeRose&#8217;s post, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/tonyjones\/2009\/01\/richard-dawkins-and-really-bel.html#more\">Really Believing in Hell<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Money Quote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Going back to Keith&#8217;s post, my hunch is that hell is most terrifying<br \/>\nfor children in the Concrete Operations stage. In this stage children<br \/>\nhave the concrete, logical ability to work out the calculus of<br \/>\nsalvation and damnation. Abstractions such as grace are beyond them,<br \/>\ncognitively speaking. A concrete punishment\/reward calculus better<br \/>\nsuits the cognitive stage they are in. And by doing the theological<br \/>\nmath unattenuated by abstractions such as grace most Concrete<br \/>\nOperational children conclude they are doomed to hell.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><i>Nota bene<\/i> to children&#8217;s and youth pastors: read the post and read <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jean_Piaget\">Piaget<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at Experimental Theology, Richard Beck has responded to Keith DeRose&#8217;s post, &#8220;Really Believing in Hell.&#8221; Money Quote: Going back to Keith&#8217;s post, my hunch is that hell is most terrifying for children in the Concrete Operations stage. 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