{"id":356,"date":"2010-09-07T08:39:27","date_gmt":"2010-09-07T08:39:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/thinplaces\/2010\/09\/science-and-religion-how-do-we-know-what-we-know.html"},"modified":"2010-09-07T08:39:27","modified_gmt":"2010-09-07T08:39:27","slug":"science-and-religion-how-do-we-know-what-we-know","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/thinplaces\/2010\/09\/science-and-religion-how-do-we-know-what-we-know.html","title":{"rendered":"Science and Religion: How do we know what we know?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">&#8220;Epistemology.&#8221; It&#8217;s one of those words I learned in<br \/>\nSeminary and had to look up in the dictionary again and again because I always<br \/>\nforgot its meaning. Basically, it&#8217;s the philosophical discipline devoted to<br \/>\nanswering a simple question: How do you know what you know? <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">For instance, how do you know what a flower is? Scientifically<br \/>\nspeaking, a flower is a type of plant that has a stamen and petals and pollen. But<br \/>\nI might answer the question a very different way, with reference to a poem by<br \/>\ne.e. cummings in which a flower describes love. Is a flower a way to talk about<br \/>\nlove or a way to talk about natural selection, or both? Where do I turn for an<br \/>\nauthoritative reckoning of flowers? To my biology textbook or my Norton<br \/>\nAnthology of Poetry?<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Similar questions arise when we talk about science and<br \/>\nreligion. Both disciplines answer, or try to answer, questions about the<br \/>\norigins of the universe. Science explains the universe in self-contained terms.<br \/>\nBy definition, for modern scientific method is predicated upon the assumption<br \/>\nthat we can test a hypothesis and get the same result on multiple occasions.<br \/>\nReligion explains the universe in metaphysical terms. It assumes an other, a<br \/>\nBeing beyond the self-contained world of scientific inquiry. For Christians,<br \/>\nreligion assumes an other who is a relational God, a God who has decided to<br \/>\nbreak into human time and history in the person of Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The so-called debate between science and religion has been<br \/>\nraging for years. Religious people have embarrassed themselves by not<br \/>\nunderstanding the science they write against, and some scientists (and<br \/>\nparticularly some of the &#8220;new atheists&#8221;) ought to feel embarrassed for their<br \/>\nsimilar misunderstandings when they wade into the waters of religion.<br \/>\nYesterday&#8217;s blog post for the New York Times by Tim Crane, a self-described<br \/>\natheist and scientist, comes as a refreshing reminder that dialogue between<br \/>\nscience and religion is possible. In &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com\/2010\/09\/05\/mystery-and-evidence\/?hp\">Mystery and Evidence<\/a>,&#8221;<br \/>\nCrane attempts to describe the differences between these two epistemological<br \/>\nsystems. He writes, &#8220;<span style=\"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#333333\">Those who criticize&nbsp;religion should<br \/>\nhave an accurate understanding of what it is they are criticizing&#8230; Religions<br \/>\ndo make factual and historical claims, and if these claims are false, then the<br \/>\nreligions fail. But this dependence on fact does not make religious claims<br \/>\nanything like hypotheses in the scientific sense. Hypotheses are not central.<br \/>\nRather, what is central is the commitment to the meaningfulness (and therefore<br \/>\nthe mystery) of the world.&#8221; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:#333333\">In a <a href=\"http:\/\/newsblogs.chicagotribune.com\/religion_theseeker\/2010\/09\/the-rev-robert-barron-priest-and-theology-professor-university-of-st-mary-of-the-lake-in-mundelein-and-author-of-w.html\">blog for the Chicago Tribune<\/a>,<br \/>\nthe Reverend Robert Baron makes a similar point: &#8220;<\/span><span style=\"font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Helvetica\">There<br \/>\nis a qualitative difference between the sciences, which speak of objects,<br \/>\nforces, and phenomena within the observable universe, and philosophy or<br \/>\nreligion which speak of ultimate origins and final purposes. Science, as such,<br \/>\nsimply cannot adjudicate questions that lie outside of its proper purview&#8211;and<br \/>\nthis is precisely why scientists tend to make lots of silly statements when<br \/>\nthey attempt to philosophize.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Helvetica\">I recommend both of these articles. And as both<br \/>\nmen recognize, there are certain points in which science and religion will<br \/>\nnecessarily reach an impasse. We can hope for both scientists and religious<br \/>\npeople to recognize the possibilities and limitations of their ways of knowing,<br \/>\nand to learn from one another with mutual respect and humility.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Epistemology.&#8221; It&#8217;s one of those words I learned in Seminary and had to look up in the dictionary again and again because I always forgot its meaning. 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